tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post3797341255763877360..comments2024-03-28T14:48:01.241-07:00Comments on Introibo Ad Altare Dei: Singing For Satan---Part 9Introibo Ad Altare Deihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-64256114068549512812018-07-09T14:58:51.955-07:002018-07-09T14:58:51.955-07:00Thank you, Introibo Ad Altare Dei!. I hope they fi...Thank you, Introibo Ad Altare Dei!. I hope they finally accept that novus ordo popes are not popes. Maybe the downfall of the FSSPX help them to recognize their theories are flawed. If they pray the Rosary and go to Holy Mass with devotion and love for God, they will. poni albinegrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00965302339970135104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-25626305332942286822018-07-09T13:17:23.503-07:002018-07-09T13:17:23.503-07:00I don’t believe R&R are going to Hell. They ar...I don’t believe R&R are going to Hell. They are confused as to the identity of the pope (we don’t have one), but they are not thereby outside the Church.<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-65136238394934123862018-07-09T13:06:00.178-07:002018-07-09T13:06:00.178-07:00I have questions ¿Recognize and resistors are goin...I have questions ¿Recognize and resistors are going to hell?. Because some R&R blogs i have read have excellent articles wich are very Cristian but still they "recognize" the novus ordo popes. I think those people are well intended Catholics altough they are confused or do not reflect about this topic because they think they are fine. I think they need to stop recognizing the "pope" if they want to keep resisting. But i am worried they can be condemned because after all, they are people and a Catholic must care about other people souls.poni albinegrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00965302339970135104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-57831669406503283442018-06-21T18:39:22.551-07:002018-06-21T18:39:22.551-07:00Thank you for the suggestions. I will look into th...Thank you for the suggestions. I will look into them.<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-69734314616719849682018-06-21T14:21:16.315-07:002018-06-21T14:21:16.315-07:00Introibo ad altare, i have read some of your artic...Introibo ad altare, i have read some of your articles about satanic musicians. I think they are very good.<br /><br />I would like to suggest you some rock bands who can look very innocent from the distance, but i think they are dangerous as usual. They are: The who, Arctic mokeys, Radiohead, and Foo figthers. <br /><br />I hope that you can do the articles and that they help poor souls enslaved to them. <br /><br />To the greater glory of God. <br />Long Life Christ the King and Our Lady from Guadalupe. <br /> poni albinegrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00965302339970135104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-37392978850013707372018-04-08T13:39:43.833-07:002018-04-08T13:39:43.833-07:00I will translate the above responses from anonymou...I will translate the above responses from anonymous @ 1:12<br /><br />1. Translation:”Introibo I cannot supply the alleged correct definition of sedevacante, because I’m a Saiza sychophant and I’ll call you deluded instead.”<br /><br />2. Translation: “I cannot refute Dorsch, O’Reilley, or Salaverri. I’ll just pretend they agree with me and you don’t understand. Johnny says that’s how big time tax attorneys argue and I want to be just like him someday—Masonic apron and all!”<br /><br />3. Translation: “I cannot explain how Dorsch, et el, fall into the equation. I’ll just make another statement with nothing to back it up. Johnny Salza would be so proud of me right now!”<br /><br />4. Translation: “once more, I ignore the teachings of the Church’s theologians. “<br /><br />Translation to last sentence: “I enjoy making empty assertions without reasons or evidence to back them up. I’m a Johnny Salza MENTAVACANTIST. My mind is empty so please don’t try to fill it up with bothersome facts!!”<br /><br />Over and out!<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-56356718129538002442018-04-08T13:12:26.124-07:002018-04-08T13:12:26.124-07:00#1: Eitehr you don't understand what Sede Vaca...#1: Eitehr you don't understand what Sede Vacante even means or you are deluded. <br /><br />#2 The theologians do understand. You are confused.<br /><br />#3 It is not my neologism but it fits your sect perfectly so I use it. Sedevacantism = Ecclesiavacantism = defected church. <br /><br />#4 Sedevacantists / Ecclesiavacantists cannot be the remnant church because they do not have the marks or attributes of the Church.<br /><br />"The Four Marks and the True Faith have indeed disappeared from your sect." <br /><br />YOUR SECT NEVER HAD THEM. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-59226758645777913562018-04-08T10:06:36.053-07:002018-04-08T10:06:36.053-07:00I’ll try to make this simple enough so even you ca...I’ll try to make this simple enough so even you can understand:<br /><br />1. We are in a state of prolonged sedevacante.<br /><br />2. Theologians such as Dorsch, Salaverri, and O’Reilley make it clear that such a state can happen and none of the Four Marks or other Divine attributes cease, nor does the Church “disappear.” <br /><br />3. You seem to claim that your neologism means something other than a prolonged state of Sedevacantism. How so? What theologians teach about “ecclesiavacatism” and how it differs from a long interregnum (Sedevacantism) between popes.<br /><br />4. Therefore, Traditionalists (sede) are the remnant Church. <br /><br />The falsity of your sect is proven by:<br /><br />The heteropraxis of the Vatican II religion — that is, the confirmation of the heretical nature of Vatican II by the common observances and practices of the Vatican II religion, whether officially sanctioned and practiced by its hierarchy, or merely approved by silence on a universal level. That Vatican II did indeed inject a new and false religion into the institutions of the Catholic Church can been seen from the years of abominable practices. <br /><br />These include:<br />sins against the First Commandment of God in the form of ecumenical services of all kinds;<br /><br />pastoral and liturgical practices which implicitly condone homosexual sins;<br /><br />weird and profane liturgical aberrations, at times using indecently dressed girls and/or rites which are derived from paganism;<br /><br />the destruction of the Sacrament of Matrimony by indiscriminate granting of annulments, and for false reasons<br /><br />the implicit, or sometimes explicit, condoning of artificial birth control;<br /><br />the reign of heresy in Catholic seminaries, universities, and parochial schools;<br /><br />the substantial alteration of the Sacrament of Extreme Unction by conferring it upon those who are not in proximate danger of death;<br /><br />the practice of communion in the hand, with the result that what purports to be the Body and Blood of Christ is many times treated in a gravely sacrilegious manner. (See Fr Oswalt’s letter). <br /><br />The Four Marks and the True Faith have indeed disappeared from your sect. <br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-51309505019243123912018-04-08T09:46:49.004-07:002018-04-08T09:46:49.004-07:00Dorcsh shows the Church has everything because he ...Dorcsh shows the Church has everything because he is referring to Sede Vacante. This is irrelevant to you because you are an Ecclesia Vacantist. Do you have a better "go-to" quote which explains Ecclesia-Vacantism and the disappearance of the Catholic Church? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-76147599729009173872018-04-08T09:20:58.985-07:002018-04-08T09:20:58.985-07:00Introibo - Please try to do this in a clinical man...Introibo - Please try to do this in a clinical manner. By all means, take pleasure in your work, but it won't do your reputation any good if you're seen to be unnecessarily torturing a Salzarian Mentavacantist. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-11932796149075105022018-04-08T08:59:17.863-07:002018-04-08T08:59:17.863-07:00Dorsch shows the Church has everything it needs in...Dorsch shows the Church has everything it needs in sedevacante. You have yet to prove the Four Marks are missing, and the Church’s greatest theologians have spoken to the issue. <br /><br />If everything Fr Oswalt was true (and it is) you find yourself with no Church, just a Vatican II sect. However, people like yourself think a “pope” can say “there is no Catholic God,” Proselytism is nonsense, and atheists can go to Heaven. <br /><br />That is why you have been given the epithet mentavacantists.<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-23679368545270626882018-04-08T08:21:01.058-07:002018-04-08T08:21:01.058-07:00Even if everything Fr. Oswald wrote were true that...Even if everything Fr. Oswald wrote were true that does not grant that the Ecclesiavacantists have the Four Marks. They do not. That is why the Sedevacantists have been given the epithet "Ecclesiavacantists." Keep in mind that without the 4 Marks there follows other attributes that the true Church must have. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-46350370485185643482018-04-08T03:22:35.047-07:002018-04-08T03:22:35.047-07:00Don’t apologize. This blog is not limited in scope...Don’t apologize. This blog is not limited in scope. Your question served to help clarify the Sedevacantist position for many readers, I’m sure!<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-14393860814457045002018-04-08T02:27:04.320-07:002018-04-08T02:27:04.320-07:00Introibo - Didn’t realize my asking an off topic ...Introibo - Didn’t realize my asking an off topic question regarding the R&R would lead to a war. My apologizes.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-71771117556187394652018-04-07T17:33:28.401-07:002018-04-07T17:33:28.401-07:00That says it all about the Vatican II sect! The fa...That says it all about the Vatican II sect! The fact that we are in a state of extended sedevacante in NO WAY IMPEDES THE FOUR MARKS!<br /><br />According to theologian Dorsch, "The Church therefore is a society that is essentially monarchical. But this does not prevent the Church, for a short time after the death of a pope, OR EVEN FOR MANY YEARS, from remaining deprived of her head. [vel etiam per plures annos capite suo destituta manet]. Her monarchical form also remains intact in this state.…<br />Thus the Church is then indeed a headless body.… Her monarchical form of government remains, though then in a different way — that is, it remains incomplete and to be completed. The ordering of the whole to submission to her Primate is present, even though actual submission is not…<br /><br />For this reason, the See of Rome is rightly said to remain after the person sitting in it has died — for the See of Rome consists essentially in the rights of the Primate.<br /><br />These rights are an essential and necessary element of the Church. With them, moreover, the Primacy then continues, at least morally. The perennial physical presence of the person of the head, however, [perennitas autem physica personis principis] is not so strictly necessary." (de Ecclesia 2:196–7; Emphasis mine)<br /><br /> Second, according to theologian Salaverri, instead of being a "primary foundation… without which the Church could not exist," the pope is a "secondary foundation," "ministerial," who exercises his power as someone else’s (Christ’s) representative. (See De Ecclesia 1:448)<br /><br />The Church exists in an altered yet still perfect state. The fact that sedevacantists can not agree on everything is to be expected in a long absence of a pope--yet we agree on fundamentals of faith.<br /><br />How do you explain the doctrinal mayhem in your sect WITH A "POPE"? There are "traditional type" members, the "conservative" members, and the "liberal" members. Should YOU BE IN UNITY? <br /><br />Praying for your conversion, and reminding you that Salza goes great with Mexican cuisine, but lousy with theology.<br /><br />Cross those four items off your lists of my alleged "errors."<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-84911319054110942992018-04-07T17:24:57.076-07:002018-04-07T17:24:57.076-07:00Thank you for making it so easy for me to show the...Thank you for making it so easy for me to show the false Vatican II sect for the Satanic non-Catholic religion it really is by using the Four Marks!<br /><br />The Church is ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC. One of your own sect's priests, Fr. Michael Oswalt, left the Vatican II diocese of Rockford, Ill and became a validly ordained priest by a sede bishop precisely because the FOUR MARKS ARE LACKING IN THE VATICAN II SECT!!<br /><br />I quote from Father's letter to his Vatican II sect "bishop" as to why he was leaving:<br /><br />The new religion is not holy because of (1) its public profession and promulgation of heresy with regard to both faith and morals; (2) its false and evil disciplines; (3) the grave sins against the First Commandment which it condones and promotes in the name of ecumenism.<br />The new religion is not one, because the unity of faith has been completely destroyed in it. It has lost its unity of faith with the previous ages of the Church, since it has broken away from the ancient doctrines. It has, furthermore no unity of faith within itself. Indeed every doctrinal aberration is permitted. The only doctrinal sin after Vatican II is to adhere to the Catholic Faith as the one, true Faith.<br />The new religion is not catholic, or universal, since without unity of doctrine, without consistency with the past, catholicity is impossible. For catholicity is nothing else than to be one thing, i.e., one faith, one discipline, and one worship, applied to all places and times in the world. But I have already pointed out the break with the past in so many ways, as well as the interior doctrinal, disciplinary, and liturgical chaos which currently exists in the new religion. There is, therefore, no mark of catholicity.<br />Finally, there is no apostolicity. The Vatican II religion has dissolved the bonds of unity with the apostles in doctrine, worship and discipline. It has broken the line of apostolic succession by the invalid consecration of bishops. It has altered the Apostolic constitution of the Catholic Church by altering the notion and role of the Roman Pontiff.<br />In short, the new religion is nothing but a non-Catholic sect, just one of so many which have risen up in the past two thousand years in an attempt to alter the Church of Christ.<br /><br />(Continued below)Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-5923261234189783952018-04-07T16:34:52.178-07:002018-04-07T16:34:52.178-07:00Ok, I'll give you 4. the Catholic Church has F...Ok, I'll give you 4. the Catholic Church has Four Marks which define her and Ecclesiavacantists have.... ZERO. That is why you are appropriately called Ecclesiavacantists. You can call yourselves Catholics but that alone is sufficient to disprove the Ecclesiavacantists as a non-Catholic sect. I am not Salza but maybe I will send him your invitation to debate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-30409628651543292018-04-07T14:38:29.790-07:002018-04-07T14:38:29.790-07:00Anon @ 1:56 pm
That's not going to work, squi...Anon @ 1:56 pm<br /><br />That's not going to work, squire. I've just revealed the methods of your idols, S&S. No answer to the charges, huh? You're wise not to start flapping your gums in their defense. No one wants to look silly defending the indefensible. Which begs the question: Why are you defending S&S's flawed thesis? <br /><br />I was highlighting how very silly you were to call Introibo a child. We've subsequently learned who the *real* L'enfant terribles are. <br /><br />I'm not wasting my time going over old ground to refute (AGAIN) two of the most discredited, flawed characters ever to emerge from the R&R School-of-No-Theology.<br /><br />I've already pointed you to:<br /><br />http://tradcath.proboards.com/board/40/true-false-pope-refutation-page<br /><br />You go there, or ask Salza and Siscoe to go there, and refute "Nazianzen," then let us know so we can have a look. <br /><br />In the meantime, quit pestering us like a 4 year child wanting a box of Crackerjacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-71754969953434759232018-04-07T14:23:11.452-07:002018-04-07T14:23:11.452-07:00@ Anon 1:56
That evidence was shot down by Fr Cek...@ Anon 1:56<br /><br />That evidence was shot down by Fr Cekada, Mario Derksen and Steven Speray. I already said I’m willing to debate Salza, all he has to do is challenge me here via the comments so we can agree as to the rules.<br /><br />You claimed there were a list of things I believe that have nothing to do to Roman Catholicism. I asked for merely three examples to see if your accusations hold up. <br /><br />I’m still waiting. Surely you can name three from your long list!! Can’t you?<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-85222088481651272102018-04-07T13:56:40.649-07:002018-04-07T13:56:40.649-07:00You are ranting because you can't refute them....You are ranting because you can't refute them. For example s & s produce several informative pieces that each refute the ecclesiavacantists and they include teachings from canonists, theologians and others such as Billot, Bellarmine, Suarez, John of St. Thomas, Billuart, Layman, . Each of these articles offers evidence that contradict what Sedevacantists have always believed and taught as true. I haven't seen a convincing refutation. Go ahead and debate them article by article. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-2687336741281314612018-04-07T12:52:39.892-07:002018-04-07T12:52:39.892-07:00"That is because you are child [sic]."
..."That is because you are child [sic]."<br /><br />You have the temerity to call Introibo a child? How dare you! But seeing that you did, your derring-do simply cannot go unrewarded! Here is your reward. <br /><br />Salza & Siscoe refer to Mario Derksen of Novus Ordo Watch as Fr. Cekada's "disciple." This is done to make Fr. Cekada look like a cult leader and to lessen Mr. Derksen as merely one of his followers (Mr. Derksen cooperates with Fr. Cekada, but he's certainly not a "disciple" of Fr. Cekada). So again, after Fr. Cekada has been ridiculed (without foundation), Mr. Derksen is meant to be lessened in the eyes of their readers because he is merely a follower of the discredited Cekada. It's called "psychologically chipping away" at your opponents. (It's like me referring to the Anonymous S&S fan as S&S's "winged monkey.") And that's why they took a photo taken of Mr. Derksen when he was around 18 years old (I'd say he's now in his late 30s) and plastered it on their website. It's meant to convey that Mr. Derksen is a "young pup" who knows nothing and therefore can't be trusted. He has all the enthusiasm of youth, but no deep knowledge like S&S. They went out of their way to sift through Fr. Cekada's YouTube's to select frames showing the most unflattering pictures of him they could possibly find, and then posted them on their website. And they are continually declaring themselves the "winners" of the debate, saying others have "lost" - exhibiting a general self-congratulatory, obnoxious, infantile manner. It's like a child saying, "Mommy! Mommy! I won! I won! - even if I DO SAY SO MYSELF!"<br /><br />As Introibo pointed out, THEY HAVE BEEN REFUTED. And going about declaring themselves the "winners" and saying no one has refuted them is childish in the extreme. And childishly doing all the above does not translate to reality.<br /><br />They've been refuted. They're extremely boring. They're prolix windbags and life goes on. <br /><br />The FACT that they resort to all these tactics shows they are not at all confident in their case against sedevacantism, so-called. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-21011127185422718192018-04-07T11:07:34.509-07:002018-04-07T11:07:34.509-07:00“This is because you are child” (sic)
So who’s nam...“This is because you are child” (sic)<br />So who’s name calling? <br /><br />I do not insult and ridicule people who disagree. My blog is probably one of the few that allows such open exchange. Occasionally, when personally attacked, I will give them a taste of their own medicine. I’m a Traditionalist but with human failings nevertheless. <br /><br />You could produce “a list of things [I] believe that have no basis in Roman Catholicism.” <br /><br />Go ahead and list just three. We’ll see how well they hold up. The fact he’s a Mason (still, I believe) has A LOT TO DO WITH HIS RECOGNIZING BERGOGLIO. If you can’t see that, your powers of discernment are more poor than I imagined.<br /><br />I never run from a debate, but I don’t make house calls. If Salza contacts me in the comments section, we can set the rules of debate and I will take him on. Send this comment to the hero of mentavacantism and see if he responds. <br /><br />Btw, the Church is not empty as your neologism implies. It just doesn’t include those Outside the One True Church, such as the Vatican II sect.<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-85247890960997842702018-04-07T09:09:26.836-07:002018-04-07T09:09:26.836-07:00Your blog promotes ecclesiavacantism and it is oft...Your blog promotes ecclesiavacantism and it is often used to insult and ridicule people who won't subscribe. That is because you are child. <br /><br />I could produce a list of the things you believe in that have no basis in Roman Catholicism but I referenced two other sources that pick eccelsiavacantism apart already. Like I said, you can't refute your opponents' arguments or you would have done it. What does Salza being a Mason have to do with this? Refute the mason if you can. Better yet, debate him. I am very sure if you email him and offer him a debate on any given subject he will accept. Well? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-30879607942661696162018-04-07T08:37:52.529-07:002018-04-07T08:37:52.529-07:00To the Salza&Siscoe-phile:
Show me where I wr...To the Salza&Siscoe-phile:<br /><br />Show me where I wrote "just Catholics"?<br /><br />Go tell St. Athanasius that there's no possibility of the Sees being filled with heretics (Arians). While you're at it, perhaps you and the two geniuses can lobby Frank to strip St. Athanasius of his title, "Athanasius Contra Mundum."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-35492119938916556252018-04-07T08:35:37.873-07:002018-04-07T08:35:37.873-07:00As I anticipated you have no idea about the purpos...As I anticipated you have no idea about the purpose of my blog. I write on a plethora of topics of interest to Traditionalist that don’t get addressed by the Vatican II sect. <br /><br />My favorite theologians in the area of Sedevacantism are not the ones you list.<br /><br />I do not spend time on one topic. For a complete refutation of Salza, in my opinion, a double agent who is still a Mason keeping people recognizing false pope Bergoglio, he has been refuted by Steven Speray, Novus Ordo Watch, And Fr Cekada.<br /><br />I have several posts dealing with R&R. See my post “The Source Of The Problem” Of 1/22/18 As But one example. You believe in a Church that can give evil and heretics who can be popes. This is NOT Catholicism.<br /><br />What you perceive as an insult is a sad reality. If you can’t see the absurdity of R&R, you lack logic or are willfully ignorant of the truth.<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.com