tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post5474083083773576975..comments2024-03-28T23:07:29.586-07:00Comments on Introibo Ad Altare Dei: Putting "Unity" Before TruthIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-84450360144964666272016-09-18T15:43:44.888-07:002016-09-18T15:43:44.888-07:00Anytime Joann!
God bless,
---IntroiboAnytime Joann!<br /><br />God bless,<br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-56785674421959386432016-09-18T14:40:53.167-07:002016-09-18T14:40:53.167-07:00Introibo,
Thanks for the explanation. It is great...Introibo,<br />Thanks for the explanation. It is greatly appreciated!!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-72586066784496496802016-09-18T14:07:29.410-07:002016-09-18T14:07:29.410-07:00Joann,
The words employed in the Bible are usuall...Joann,<br /> The words employed in the Bible are usually to be understood in the common parlance of the day. The word "hand" referred to anything from the wrists up. In similar fashion, if I stepped on a tack while barefoot, I would yell and say, "I've got a tack in my FOOT" not "I've got a tack in my HEEL." St. John was using common jargon, not being anatomically precise. <br /><br /> We know that the Romans nailed the crucified people through the wrists, not the palms. The Palms could not uphold the weight of the body, and would tear.<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-17805972849899593842016-09-18T07:19:28.455-07:002016-09-18T07:19:28.455-07:00My own personal opinion of Padre Pio is one of bei...My own personal opinion of Padre Pio is one of being very, very skeptical. However, you mention that Jesus' Sacred Wounds were in his "wrists". John 20:27 tells Thomas to "Put your finger here; see my hands". Can you please explain?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-91991095498457882122016-09-17T19:03:59.845-07:002016-09-17T19:03:59.845-07:00Privately (in my heart alone), I acknowledge Chris...Privately (in my heart alone), I acknowledge Christ present, and I pray that the Easterns may be converted to the One True Church, so He may no longer suffer from captivity in their Tabernacles, which have no right to contain the Blessed Sacrament.<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-35511438373550317052016-09-17T18:40:25.316-07:002016-09-17T18:40:25.316-07:00To the Anonymous Comment above:
When you speak ab...To the Anonymous Comment above:<br /><br />When you speak about "convincing a skeptic" are you talking about someone whom is skeptical of Padre Pio, or the agnostic/atheist skeptics, who eschew the supernatural?<br /><br />It seems as though you refer to the latter. Not everything is subject to empirical investigation by a science experiment with an independent variable manipulated on at least two levels. How would you prove to me that your mother loves you? Wouldn't it all be more or less anecdotal evidence? Couldn't she pretend to love you because this is what is expected of mothers, so she went through the motions?<br /><br />How does James Randi, Victor Stenger, et al, explain how matter produces consciousness? If you assume there MUST be a scientific explanation, but we just don't have it yet, isn't that "science of the gaps" i.e. what we don't have an explanation for from science must be able to be scientifically explained?<br /><br />I'm not a fan of Padre Pio. I read (and am trying to verify) that Pope Pius XI disclaimed the events/stigmata of Padre Pio as being supernatural in origin. If true, that would end the debate for me. <br /><br />According to Wikipedia (hardly a reliable source), several prominent doctors DID examine Padre Pio. Perhaps Frank has the results of such studies, let's not judge a book before it has been read. <br /><br />Finally, I don't think there is a better miracle attested to than the resurrection of Jesus Christ, yet "the whole world" does not believe it. As Our Lord recounts in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, "'...they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'" (See St Luke 16:31). Some people will simply discount all evidence. <br /><br />I'm not a fan of Padre Pio, but I will allow the evidence to take me where it leads. I will read the evidence Frank has to offer and will continue to try and verify the information about Pope Pius XI regarding Padre Pio.<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-39303920700643184522016-09-17T18:38:34.945-07:002016-09-17T18:38:34.945-07:00Hi Introibo,
Thanks for your post. While I'm...Hi Introibo, <br /><br />Thanks for your post. While I'm further refining my thoughts on all of this, I would like your thoughts on the following matter, part of the whole mix through which I'm discerning.<br /><br />I understand you agree that the Eastern Schismatics have a valid Eucharist, but that since they are schismatic and heretical one<br />must not receive Holy Communion with or from them. However, since they have a validly consecrated Host, Jesus Christ<br />is fully there -- body, blood, soul and divinity. Therefore, in one's heart - but not publicly - one must honor and adore said consecrated Host no less than one must do in the True Church - with all one's heart, being, strength. One must adore Our Lord Jesus Christ anywhere He truly is. So for example, if one walks by an eastern Schismatic Church, one should privately acknowledge and in one's heart adore the Most Blessed Sacrament therein. Do you agree?<br /><br />Anonymous 2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-19553105697183799442016-09-17T18:13:24.486-07:002016-09-17T18:13:24.486-07:00Thank you my friend! I try to be fair to all; even...Thank you my friend! I try to be fair to all; even when I disagree!<br /><br />God bless you!<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-72930036294266790832016-09-17T18:09:38.441-07:002016-09-17T18:09:38.441-07:00Yes. Provided there is a valid bishop using the pr...Yes. Provided there is a valid bishop using the proper matter, form, and intention, we must consider those priests as valid.<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-61147122861251188572016-09-17T18:07:16.616-07:002016-09-17T18:07:16.616-07:00Yes, you are both correct. That is how they got pe...Yes, you are both correct. That is how they got people into the new sect--deception with a false pope! You wanted to be Catholic, and woke up somewhere you never wanted to be!<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-73965283797653554912016-09-17T18:03:46.558-07:002016-09-17T18:03:46.558-07:00All I remember being told when the Novus Ordo was ...All I remember being told when the Novus Ordo was instituted was that the only changes were that the Mass was being said in English and that you stood for communion instead of kneeling. Of course they didn't tell us that they created a new religion with Vatican II - found that one out the hard way - through experience - the hard way!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-61821658328049768592016-09-17T16:44:01.837-07:002016-09-17T16:44:01.837-07:00What are your thoughts regarding the very very few...What are your thoughts regarding the very very few ICKSP or FSSP priest's who are ordained by a valid pre-1969 Bishop?<br />I understand the traditional rites of holy orders were optional until April 4 1969.<br />Are these few rare priest's from these orders valid Catholic priest's?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-49815764847129329212016-09-17T15:04:09.392-07:002016-09-17T15:04:09.392-07:00Regarding Catholics circa November 1964..I can att...Regarding Catholics circa November 1964..I can attest that growing up Novus Ordo none of us were ever given access or studies regarding the Vatican 2 documents.<br />Life was very different before 1995 and Internet access.<br />Many Catholic did not like nor understand the changes during the 1950's.With that said no one was ever told or given materials that explained anything whatsoever.<br />Back then you just did what you were told and trusted your local parishes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-79232614341127658822016-09-17T14:59:42.602-07:002016-09-17T14:59:42.602-07:00This blog has welcomed and published my comments r...This blog has welcomed and published my comments regarding our disagreements over Pius XII.<br />This is one of very few Catholic forums/blogs that publish disagreements.<br />Just be respectful,rational,and its all good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-40286520527560887382016-09-17T13:53:46.083-07:002016-09-17T13:53:46.083-07:00Frank, what real proof does your book that he carr...Frank, what real proof does your book that he carried the stigmata that would convince a skeptic? From my studies none exists. If he really had the stigmata then it would be a very simple matter to prove it for the world. It's funny how these so-called miracles are always covered up and kept away from public and scientific scrutiny. There is no independent evidence that this man had any such thing. No, I'm not talking about seeing blood drop from the wounds. Easy Hollywood movie trick that anybody could do. If you have documented proof of this alleged Vatican miracle I'd buy your book but I suspect it is a collection of stories and would lack the kind of real independent evidence needed to prove the claims. I'm positive that is all your book contains, otherwise the whole world would believe in the alleged miracle. If the man had the stigmata the Church would have shared the proofs with the scientific community to analyze and test it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-26640562868672659412016-09-17T11:45:49.281-07:002016-09-17T11:45:49.281-07:00Now that is something I would be interested in rea...Now that is something I would be interested in reading! Thank you, Frank!<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-78886440965258305042016-09-17T11:42:54.276-07:002016-09-17T11:42:54.276-07:00Dear Introibo,
Not that you personally have ne...Dear Introibo, <br /> Not that you personally have need of it, but proof that Padre Pio's stigmata were genuine is presented in my book "The Truth about Padre Pio's Stigmata," see www.sanpadrepio.com Frank Regahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16899023221249548349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-27331213474325533192016-09-17T09:54:51.827-07:002016-09-17T09:54:51.827-07:00There are many things you don't seem to realiz...There are many things you don't seem to realize, such as common decency. I didn't think I would need to spell that out for anyone, but you've proven me wrong.<br /><br />I calumniate no one. The remarks and actions of Mother Teresa are well-documented, as are the pre- and post-V2 teachings. I then draw the logical conclusions. <br /><br />Yes, I asked for a source, but I would be embarrassed and ashamed to give a source as biased and poorly researched as that one. Padre Pio had sexual liaisons in the Confessional? I didn't see one accuser's name or any solid evidence to back up such a serious charge against someone. That's calumny, pure and simple. I would never give a citation, for example, which correctly stated Mother Teresa's statements on other religions, but accused her of having an abortion with nothing but hearsay to back it up. Spreading calumny is horrific. <br /><br />I always welcome the opinions of others, including those with whom I disagree. Common decency dictates that I will not allow comments that contain vulgarity, and I will not allow a comment that is found to be calumnious to go unanswered.<br /><br />I suggest that I will continue to run my blog in the manner I see fit for the last six years, and if you don't like it, don't come here and read/comment. At the risk of sounding uncharitable myself; good riddance. <br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-57502644757659628222016-09-17T09:39:54.823-07:002016-09-17T09:39:54.823-07:00Dr. Lamb,
Thank you (as always) for your comments....Dr. Lamb,<br />Thank you (as always) for your comments. As a professional doctor you're in a position to make such judgments. You are also correct about the Sacred Wounds of Our Lord being in the Wrists and not His Hands. Another reason to question Padre Pio's authenticity. <br /><br /> I think you would love the book "A Doctor At Calvary" by Pierre Barbet, M.D. It is highly recommended reading for all who wish to learn more of the suffering endured for us by Our Lord and Savior. Being a doctor yourself, I think you would appreciate it all the more!<br /><br />God bless,<br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-89994579110799844132016-09-17T09:32:05.249-07:002016-09-17T09:32:05.249-07:00Dear Dr. Lamb,
Yes, indeed, Padre Pio remains qui...Dear Dr. Lamb,<br /> Yes, indeed, Padre Pio remains quite an enigma, and many people arrive at the same conclusion as you and me; something's not right.<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-51793824425778548092016-09-17T07:45:16.942-07:002016-09-17T07:45:16.942-07:00I did not realize the blog rules here: nobody can ...I did not realize the blog rules here: nobody can calumniate others in order to promote their worldview except you. Look, I think Padre Pio was a fake. you asked me for a source and I provided one. I suggest that if you don't like other opinions than get of the net or else make this a membership only forum. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-33635526198970208512016-09-17T01:21:11.356-07:002016-09-17T01:21:11.356-07:00P.S. The above were my impressions. I have no idea...P.S. The above were my impressions. I have no idea whether they are accurate, or not.Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-2513281009700354762016-09-17T01:06:51.818-07:002016-09-17T01:06:51.818-07:00I recently saw a photo of the palm of his left han...I recently saw a photo of the palm of his left hand raised during mass. The distribution, flow and colour of the wound looked odd to me. Quite honestly, it doesn't look like a penetration wound to me. I think an inflicted chemical wound would fit the bill much better, but I'm no pathologist. Of course, Our Lord was nailed to the Cross through His wrists and not through the palms of His hands.Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-16473866151508983642016-09-17T00:51:54.424-07:002016-09-17T00:51:54.424-07:00I found JoAnn's question and your answer extre...I found JoAnn's question and your answer extremely interesting, because it's the first time I've ever seen negative/uncertain comment about Padre Pio, which mirrors the personal disquiet I have long felt regarding him. The fact that it was he who, apparently after a vision of Our Lord, summoned Fr. Villa and dispatched him to Pope Pius XII to ferret out masons in the Vatican, gave me great confidence in him. I noted that he had received a dispensation from saying the NO mass, rather than that he had refused outright to say it. This seemed to indicate to me, that he attributed some degree of authority to Paul VI and, as you say, he apparently recognized him as Pope. This jarred with me - especially with somebody like Padre Pio, who apparently had such remarkable supranatural powers. I suppressed the thought and attributed this apparent aberration to a habit of obedience, or perhaps the early stage of the apostasy, although one would have expected that Padre Pio, who was apparently able to read minds and thoughts, would have summed Paul VI up at a glance. I suppressed these thoughts and tried to start a devotion to him and become his "spiritual son". I felt a strange sense of "no contact" which I have often thought about, but have never mentioned to a soul. His canonization by the NO also gave rise to a sense of unease. Eventually I just put a question mark over the matter and ceased praying to him. That's why I found your question and comment so interesting.Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-6036957840846096632016-09-16T22:12:56.059-07:002016-09-16T22:12:56.059-07:00The link you provided is from the "Committee ...The link you provided is from the "Committee for Skeptical Inquiry." They basically deny all things supernatural. While claiming to be "non-biased," the contributors and "heroes" are a roll call of atheists and agnostics (James Randi, Paul Kurtz, Victor Stenger, etc). <br /><br /> These people make it their business to deny the supernatural, yet claim stark objectivity. Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of them! It's analogous to a committee composed of members of the KKK claiming to make an objective investigation into the guilt or innocence of an African American accused of a crime. Forgive me for thinking that a lynching will be forthcoming no matter what the facts may show. <br /><br /> I notice that they rely on only a few sources for their assessment, and for some assertions (quite serious ones at that) there is nothing to back it up, e.g. they assert Padre Pio had sex with women in the confessional. This is rank calumny.<br /><br /> While I'm not a fan of Padre Pio, I'm even less of a fan of those who calumniate others to promote their worldview. When you write about "other miracle fakes in the Roman Church's history" there were fakes, but it is now evident after vetting your source that you are anti-Catholic (if not a misotheist). Please keep your bigotry and calumny off my blog. God have mercy on you.<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.com