tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post5841658398617473076..comments2024-03-26T19:23:49.755-07:00Comments on Introibo Ad Altare Dei: In Defense Of An OrdinationIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-80772319696875021352023-10-15T06:53:25.046-07:002023-10-15T06:53:25.046-07:00I attended sacraments in oyster bay long island fo...I attended sacraments in oyster bay long island for several years until Fr. Sanborn asked me how I discovered oyster bay and told me to go to Fr. McKenna in Monroe Ct. He scolded me for telling a friend, Phillip Mcnanus about oyster bay after Phillip and I attended Monroe Ct together. <br /><br />So I received sacraments from Fr. Bamburger in oyster Bay for several years in 2015, 16 and 17 to the whole my regular sedevacantist priest, Fr. Sanborn tolerated me going there as he preferred for me to stay away feom SSPV altogether and go another 40 miles (90 altogether ONE WAY) to Monroe Ct. from Staten Island, NY. <br /><br />Crux:<br /><br />After receiving communions and absolutions from both fathers, Greenwell and Baumberger for several years, both in oyster Bay, Long Island, and sometimes Allentown, Pennsylvania, Fr. (“Bishop”) Sanborn, again, who knew fully well that I was frequenting oyster Bay, Long Island, where Father Bomberger was exclusively serving, told me that fathers, Greenwell and Baumberger were not true priests, for having an invalid ordination. <br /><br />Mind you: father Sanborn knew that I was going to Oysterbay for years, I returned to Florida briefly and then went back to Oysterbay for family business and father Sanborn asked me where will you go to church? I said Oysterbay… He knew that I did not like driving 180 miles every Sunday… it was only at this point that he told me that these two priests were not finally ordained… But he knew that I was going there for several years in the past.<br /><br />If this is the type of circus that appeals to you, please join this group of clerics. <br /><br />Spencer Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-5600663127422550582021-04-21T16:23:22.245-07:002021-04-21T16:23:22.245-07:00Unknown,
You mean SOME who CLAIM to be His followe...Unknown,<br />You mean SOME who CLAIM to be His followers!<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-6657245091398492412021-04-21T05:17:19.075-07:002021-04-21T05:17:19.075-07:00Jesus save us from your followers!Jesus save us from your followers!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06984415379873170999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-91328331247945443342018-10-12T17:33:22.468-07:002018-10-12T17:33:22.468-07:00Great work! This is the type of info that are supp...Great work! This is the type of info that are supposed to be shared around the net.<br />Disgrace on Google for no longer positioning this publish <br />higher! Come on over and discuss with my site .<br />Thanks =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-38559822338815626412018-09-05T14:25:56.988-07:002018-09-05T14:25:56.988-07:00When a man becomes a priest, he is expected to rig...When a man becomes a priest, he is expected to rigorously follow the rubrics and offer The Most Holy Sacrifice with the greatest of devotion. My spiritual father, Fr Gommar DePauw had a plaque on the sacristy Wall that read: “Priest Of Christ; offer this Mass as if it were your First Mass, your Last Mass, your Only Mass.” So he did!<br /><br />Fr Greenwell would never have been ordained pre-V2. The slovenly way he offers Mass is, in my opinion, scandalous. He runs through it so quickly he even garbles the words. (Hopefully, not the Words of Consecration). Bps. Kelly and Santay should tell him to offer Mass properly or not at all.<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-11109928743598356972018-09-05T11:27:29.033-07:002018-09-05T11:27:29.033-07:00The sites author states a sad detraction against a...The sites author states a sad detraction against a priest: "Also on a personal note, I'm glad Fr. Greenwell is no longer on Long Island. Validity aside, the joke was that if your arrived five minutes late when he was offering Mass, he'd be at the Last Gospel."<br />Must remember, Fr. Greenwell grew up a "farm-boy", and thus his "style" is more relaxed than that of Fr. Baumberger who is of German descent and tends to be far more exacting than the Roman Ritual obliges. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695606459591222083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-28440756677389432942016-02-23T06:54:55.642-08:002016-02-23T06:54:55.642-08:00We can't have a 'centralized meeting point...We can't have a 'centralized meeting point' with the remnant catholic church.If that were to happen,more infiltrators would become parishioners and priest's.It would be a repeat of the post 1951 Era of the Catholic church.<br />We are being punished and as a result,we must work and worship in hidden small places.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-40596257440262053402016-01-22T12:36:54.370-08:002016-01-22T12:36:54.370-08:00When Paul VI said "The smoke of Satan has ent...When Paul VI said "The smoke of Satan has entered the church", it was not in dismay, but rather chillingly the opposite, it was a battle cry - letting the Modernists, Masons, and others know that the "job had been done".<br /><br />"Wheresoever the body is, there the eagles will gather" - and so we see the faithful, represented by the eagles (which soar on the wind - i.e. Holy Spirit - and which only feed their young live food - flesh meat) - gathering together wherever there is a valid mass - this being another sign of the end times.<br />It all adds up. <br /><br />The Church can survive without a pope, but not without the Faith. Without the Faith, there is effectively no Church. The Novus Ordo as a "faith" is not the Catholic faith with a few heresies and perversions, it is an entirely new faith. Those who remain Catholic in belief cannot practice it in the Novus Ordo. The Novus Ordo mass is not Catholic, it is not neutral, it is an anti-mass. The SSPX and others who are deceived into believing the Novus Ordo is the "Church", simply fail to recognize the true "nature" of the Novus Ordo mass and the Novus Ordo as a religion.<br /><br />There have been 44 antipopes in history (not including Novus Ordo popes) - 1/5th of the papal history of the Church. However, there has never been an anti-mass, an abomination that makes desolate, which any or all of those 44 anti-popes forced upon the faithful.<br /><br />Since a true pope is protected from universal error in matters of faith and morals, and since the Novus Ordo mass is 100% contrary to faith, the divine law, and the moral law, the "popes" of the Post Conciliar church prove by their enforcement of the Novus Ordo Missae, that they are anti-popes - of their Novus "new" religion. <br /><br />Do we "recognize and resist" an anti-pope as pope? In the practical order, it is worse to recognize and follow with resistance a non-pope than to reject a non-pope outright. The proof in this is the destruction of the faith of even traditionalist Catholics who border on being schismatic by even believing they can pick and choose what is to be believed or not which comes out of the Vatican. That is not "Catholic".<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-62808015310871439382016-01-22T12:36:18.847-08:002016-01-22T12:36:18.847-08:00Our Lord hanging on the cross, bore these marks - ...Our Lord hanging on the cross, bore these marks - even as His Mystical Body bears them now: <br />He was virtually unrecognizable - bloody and severely beaten. His arms were dislocated. He was delirious (in a sense) due to excessive loss of blood, loss of sleep, and unimaginable pain. He was rejected and derided by the Jewish leaders - and general populous. He was condemned by a Council.<br /> <br />How does this relate to the "traditionalist" Catholic rejecting Vatican II? It should appear self-evident. Traditionalists are dislocated - incapable of being united - but essentially of the same ("Catholic and Apostolic") faith. <br /><br />So what's next? The next phase is the taking down of His (mystical) Body from the cross - and laid in the dark tomb, when the remnant faithful return to the proverbial catacombs, i.e. the Church goes underground according to tradition, saints and mystics. <br /><br />The Gospel has effectively been "preached to all nations" - via Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ" - one of the signs of the end times. Sacred Scripture says "will be preached" - not "has" been preached. The gospel had been effectively preached to all nations by 1962, but that was not a "sign", it was a consequence of history. Gibson's movie was a "sign".<br /><br />The Abomination of Desolation standing in the holy place is the Novus Ordo anti-eucharist / anti-sacrament, which is in its essence an "abomination" being the highest of sacrilegious act. <br /><br />The Novus Ordo mass is not "neutral" in its being, it is in fact a powerful satanic rite ("get thee behind Me satan") inasmuch as it is metaphysically of higher form than a mere mockery of Christ and His mass - which helps explain why there is such a proliferation of evil and escalation of evil since 1968. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-48743594612920847292014-11-27T23:51:11.094-08:002014-11-27T23:51:11.094-08:00Why can't these men stop bickering,arguing, go...Why can't these men stop bickering,arguing, gossiping,and cross concecrate each other?If this happens,we have a coherent somewhat united true catholic church.The solution is so simple but it seems pride,arrogance,and a quest for power (i.e. Satan) are preventing this from happening. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-40720723801532647112014-11-25T17:17:04.165-08:002014-11-25T17:17:04.165-08:00My priest is a Thuc line bishop and I see no probl...My priest is a Thuc line bishop and I see no problem with his holy orders.Archbisop Thuc was concecrated during the Reign of Pius XI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-31736092120407792152014-05-15T06:16:45.607-07:002014-05-15T06:16:45.607-07:00As I understand it, Bishop Kelly explained that he... As I understand it, Bishop Kelly explained that he inserted the wrong page of the ritual in the Sacred and the Profane. Most assuring to me is that Fr. Jenkins, who knows Latin quite well, has sworn to the fact that the plural was used. Bottom line: I don't think the singular was used due to the knowledge of both Fr. Jenkins and the bishop himself, who would still know plural from singular from his pre-Vatican II training. I'm further convinced that the SSPV will never admit a mistake (invalidating or not). Nor will most other Traditionalist groups. Fear of "scaring people away" if we admit any mistake coupled with pride, is a big problem with many clerics. Yet, these true clergymen would not subject their congregations to dubious sacraments. I know them, and believe that, should a real problem have presented itself, Bp. Kelly or Bp. Santay would have rectified the problem in private with a conditional ordination. They would never say as much as they would not want to disturb the peace of conscience their members enjoy.Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-29695851701559583232014-05-14T11:44:33.886-07:002014-05-14T11:44:33.886-07:00Thank you very much for this very interesting anal...Thank you very much for this very interesting analysis. I'm curious what you think about the question of the singular/plural problem in section IV of the article. You mentioned that only in passing, but it seems to be another element of doubt being introduced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-51081612259592156622014-05-08T06:35:13.134-07:002014-05-08T06:35:13.134-07:00I agree with much of what my reader above has post...I agree with much of what my reader above has posted. However, a few clarifications are in order.<br /><br />1. I don't know that, in the absence of a pope, we can arrive at the truth in the application of agreed upon principles. We may know what is needed for a valid ordination, but as problems arise there is no one to whom we can appeal for a final binding judgement.<br />I hope we can agree upon much more through prayer and cooperation. Pride must give way to concern for the Church, and having a more united front, if and until God grants us another True Pope to succeed Pope Pius XII<br /><br />2. There are theological opinions where we can be united yet disagree. Pope Pius XII purposely avoided in his definition on the Assumption as to whether or not Mary died before going to Heaven. The words he employed are "...when the course of Her earthly life had ended..." Some theologians taught she died but was resurrected prior to the first instant of bodily corruption. Others hold that Mary was exempt from death, as she was exempt from Original Sin and redeemed in a special manner. You can hold to either opinion without being a heretic.<br /><br />3. Pistrina Liturgica serves no purpose. They have grudges against clerics with whom they disagree, and calumniate them at every turn. Their blog is a masterpiece of sophistry as they employ so many fallacies a philosophy professor could use their writing as an example of "How NOT to argue." Case in point: Calling Bp. Dolan "One Hand Dan" they have never even come close to proving a one-handed ordination ever took place! Their evidence would never hold up in court--not even by a preponderance--let alone "clear and convincing" evidence, or evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt."Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-70182086262338418212014-05-04T13:11:24.031-07:002014-05-04T13:11:24.031-07:00Strategically, the traditionalists look like a com...Strategically, the traditionalists look like a complete joke to the world. Even potential converts in my city, where there isn't a chapel for 2 hours' drive, they're just going to look at sedevacantism as a half-baked idea. And it is still half-baked. There is no kind of network set-up, even a decentralized one, that unambiguously claims to be the Catholic Church. There is a lack of faith that moves mountains to restore the Church. There is no centralized place to send potential converts, online or in person, to get information on how to convert. There are all these random scattered chapels, some even off of the Traditio network that I hear of. Stay at home sedevacantists aren't setting up prayer sites. The whole thing looks dismal, but there is no room really for despair but a change in heart and mind. Literally almost anyone a sedevacantist talks to can be a potential convert because virtually no one is sedevacantist. We need to develop a whole "package deal" of Catholic Action to create a sedevacantist world. Objections and replies to them need to be compiled like as the form of the Summa Theologica is. <br /><br />My email is traditionalcatholic777@hushmail.com if you'd like to get in contact, it is a throw away email and you can delete these two comments if you wish. <br /><br />True unity is possible, against the false Vatican 2 unity and against false hyper-traditioanlist division. We are committed to objective truth, and that means that not all positions can be correct. We must be humble and admit that our position may not be correct, and must question it until we find a firm position. There are other problematic positions which I hope to refute like sedeprivationism, which "locks up" the papacy, and is possibly schismatic against sedevacantism? There are all these floating opinions which should be corralled together and sustematically 1) prayed for answers on and 2) work together towards answers. God will give them to us. We should be merciful towards one another more. Jesus assures us that if we ask we will receive. We need to urge prayers for unity, even by way of miracles and/or angelic/divine intervention. Isn't the crisis we face demanding of such a need? <br /><br />Thank you for your writing, I enjoy reading it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-89657058863201373722014-05-04T12:57:49.422-07:002014-05-04T12:57:49.422-07:00What, you don't subscribe to any party lines?
...What, you don't subscribe to any party lines?<br /><br />But then how are you "Catholic", which means universal? We have a problem here: 1) if one is Catholic, one's part of a group and 2) if one is not Catholic, one may be a part of warring sects. I am not exempt from this problem.<br /><br />"I am not beholden to any Traditionalist order or priest, especially those with a 'follow me or die' mentality". Catholicism is a follow me or perish mentality. I think this is basically a problem all "traditionalists" are struggling with: either my belief is universal/Catholic, and everyone I know must take it on as well, or it is just an opinion - but then how can I have confidence in it really for anyone, let alone myself?<br /><br />Now, as regards your article: why the hate for Pistrania Liturgica? They grind an axe without mercy, but there's truth in what they say. It's like a check/balance on the unchecked sedevacantist Wild Wild West of the SGG/Sanborn/Seminary group. Unfortunately this goes back to my original comment, but in the absence of authority and conflicting reports we almost become a law unto ourselves out of necessity. People talk about, "this is mortal sin, that is mortal sin" until everything is mortal sin and you can do nothing, but even that is suicidally a mortal sin. Anyway, what's my point and the way out of this conundrum? We need to get more teams and groups of people together - this is a very confusing historical Catholic situation. While heresy is to be shunned and refuted, it must be done correctly and charitably - a "hardened heretic" might become a friend and supporter in the future - why the need for such a divisive attitude? I get the impression some trads are divisive just to be divisive. The "over-reaction" to the false unity of Vatican 2 has been a hyper-dividedness held up as virtue. But, just as Vatican 2 has false "dialogue" of trying to talk as though there is no division, there is also the false silence of traditionalists. There is a productive dialogue of talking through misunderstandings until there is a solution or agreement agreed upon. The danger of hardened divisiveness is that out of pride or policy, the longer someone goes on with a mistake, the harder it is to admit the mistake. <br /><br />Say the SSPV tomorrow recognizes the Thuc consecrations. Many people might say, "we told you so! Look at the harm you did!" This is not the spirit of forgiveness, and the anticipation of such a reaction maintains the status quo of their divided policy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-3553272909381593982014-04-27T20:01:49.181-07:002014-04-27T20:01:49.181-07:00Thank you very much! This is what I was looking fo...Thank you very much! This is what I was looking for.<br />I greatly appreciate it.<br /><br />God BlessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com