This post will expose Wojtyla's TOB for the Modernist dung it is, and explain why it is anything but "original" and "a development of Catholic doctrine." (N.B. I have collected this material from many sources, both online and in print, and I take no credit for any of it except for condensing the information into a terse post and adding some commentary.---Introibo).
What is TOB?
It is the teaching of Wojtyla that first grew out of lectures he gave in 1958 and 1959. They were published in book form in 1960 under the title Love and Responsibility. In his lectures he begins the assault on the traditional teaching of the Church about the primary and secondary ends of marriage. The procreation and education of children (primary end) and mutual love and support of the spouses (secondary end) are jettisoned in favor of "interpersonal relations," "love" and "responsibility."
Wojtyla had a disdain for Neo-Scholasticism, and was a proponent of the heretical philosophies of personalism and phenomenology. When he was writing his thesis for his Doctorate in Theology, the great theologian Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange was his advisor. His dissertation on The Doctrine of Faith in St. John of the Cross was so full of error in its first proposed draft, Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange wrote "you are not Catholic" on the paper and failed him. Wojtyla's ecclesiastical protector, Adam Cardinal Sapieha, intervened on behalf of the Polish heretic and had the decision reversed when revision was made. (Apologists try and sanitize Wojtyla's background by stating he wasn't actually failed, but only that Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange "disagreed." Yet, those with connections in the Vatican [Fr. DePauw among them] knew the truth).
His 1953 dissertation for his Doctorate in Philosophy was on philosopher Max Scheler (pronounced SHAY-ler, 1859-1938), a prominent proponent of phenomenology. Phenomenology, in brief, attempts to base human knowledge on the "phenomena," that is, what appears to the human mind, rather than on an exploration of external existing things. Whether a thing truly exists or not is unimportant to a phenomenologist; only what he cogitates exists for him. One can easily see how this philosophy is one of the Modernist "subjectivist" philosophies, basing itself not on an external reality or standard, but upon one's own personal conceptions. Thus, it easily leads to moral relativism and dependence upon personal or subjective opinion ("what feels good") as opposed to external or objective reality (e.g., the Ten Commandments).
As Pope St. Pius X taught about Thomism:
St. Thomas perfected and augmented still further by the almost angelic quality of his intellect all this superb patrimony of wisdom which he inherited from his predecessors and applied it to prepare, illustrate and protect sacred doctrine in the minds of men (In Librum Boethii de Trinitate, quaest, ii, 3). Sound reason suggests that it would be foolish to neglect it and religion will not suffer it to be in any way attenuated. And rightly, because, if Catholic doctrine is once deprived of this strong bulwark, it is useless to seek the slightest assistance for its defense in a philosophy whose principles are either common to the errors of materialism, monism, pantheism, socialism and modernism, or certainly not opposed to such systems. The reason is that the capital theses in the philosophy of St. Thomas are not to be placed in the category of opinions capable of being debated one way or another, but are to be considered as the foundations upon which the whole science of natural and divine things is based; if such principles are once removed or in any way impaired, it must necessarily follow that students of the sacred sciences will ultimately fail to perceive so much as the meaning of the words in which the dogmas of divine revelation are proposed by the magistracy of the Church. (See Doctoris Angelici, June 29, 1914; Emphasis mine). Wojtyla hated Neo-Scholasticism, especially its Thomistic expression. Keep this in mind when you think about TOB.
According to a Vatican II sect source in support of TOB:
The “Theology of the Body” is St. John Paul II's integrated vision of the human person. The human body has a specific meaning, making visible an invisible reality, and is capable of revealing answers regarding fundamental questions about us and our lives:
- Is there a real purpose to life and if so, what is it?
- What does it mean that we were created in the image of God?
- Why were we created male and female? Does it really matter if we are one sex or another?
- What does the marital union of a man and woman say to us about God and his plan for our lives?
- What is the purpose of the married and celibate vocations?
- What exactly is "Love"?
- Is it truly possible to be pure of heart?
All of these questions, and many more, are answered in the 129 Wednesday audiences popularly known as the “Theology of the Body,” delivered by St. John Paul II between 1979 and 1984.
(See theologyofthebody.net)
Therefore, TOB culminated with Wojtyla's speeches, and became a book, (made expanded and "definitive" in 2006) entitled Man and Woman He Created Them: A Theology of the Body.
Wojtyla said his purpose in putting forth TOB was "born principally of the need to put the norms of Catholic sexual morality on a firm basis, a basis as definitive as possible, relying on the most elementary and incontrovertible moral truths and the most fundamental values or goods," most especially the good of the person within the context of "love and responsibility." (See Love and Responsibility, [1981], pg. 16). The implication is crystal clear: the Church had to wait over 1,900 years for Wojtyla to put Catholic morality on a solid basis because the Natural Law, Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and Magisterial teaching were inadequate. That's blasphemous (at best) and a denial of the Church's ability to teach the faithful (at worst).
The Main Heretical Teachings of TOB
There are three (3) fundamental heretical teachings of TOB:
- a false idea of Man as Imago Dei (Image of God) opposed to the true idea
- the ends of marriage are changed
- the false notion of "total giving" in marriage
Man in no longer the Image of God, but the Outline of God.
For St. Thomas, the soul is superior to the body—more noble, possessing its act of being and sharing it with the body—such that man is constituted a person by his spiritual nature. Wojtyla, however, specifies in the notes to his Audience of November 14, 1979, that, “In the conception of the oldest books of the Bible, the dualist opposition ‘body-soul’ does not appear. As we have already pointed out, we may rather speak of a complementary combination ‘body-life.’ The body is the expression of the personality of man.”
This failure to distinguish explicitly the soul and its operations as superior to the body means that the TOB redefines the notion of man as “image of God.” Thus, St. Thomas’s statement, citing Augustine, that man is in the image of God by his mind only, has no place in a heretical phenomenological system, which philosophy Wojtyla embraces. He must therefore redefine “image of God” into an object of phenomenological study: it is a picture, an external representation of God. Better still, it is an experience. (Vatican II-speak). The full awareness of the meaning of the body takes place in the mutual “knowing” of man and woman; their physical union(sex) becomes a "language," expressing the nature of God to the world and to themselves: “This language of the body becomes so to speak a prophecy of the body.” (See Wojtyla's audience of Aug. 22, 1984).
Man is capax Dei (has capacity for God) by his soul, by nature, by “creation” as Augustine says. This openness of nature allows for the entry of grace into his soul, and a new manner of being “to the image of God” by a union of theological virtue: imperfectly, as image of grace, and perfectly, as image of glory. (See Summa Theologica I, q. 93, a. 4) This properly theological union is impossible in a “theology of the body” precisely because the soul is not clearly distinguished as being, by nature, the place of encounter with God. Nor is there possibility of distinction between natural image and image by grace or glory.
In Wojtyla's phenomenological TOB, humans approach God by a purer union with another human; by becoming "more fully gift to another," humanity more fully resembles God. A recovery of the image of God and of the original “innocence of heart” depend on living in marriage as "mutual gift." (See Wojtyla, April 2, 1980, “Marriage in the Integral Vision of Man”: “Those who seek the accomplishment of their own human and Christian vocation in marriage are called, first of all, to make this theology of the body... the content of their life and behavior.”).
Changing the Ends of Marriage.
Wojtyla was greatly influenced by Fr. Herbert Doms, also an admirer of Max Scheler. Doms was a censured theologian. In 1935, he wrote a book entitled About the Meaning and Purpose of Marriage. In his book, Doms claimed that since every act of sexual intercourse does not result in a child being conceived, the primary purpose of marriage is not procreation but rather in the personal fulfilment of men and women as persons. Doms wrote:
In the perfect act, worthy of human beings, the two partners grasp each other reciprocally in intimate love; that is spiritually they reciprocally give themselves in an act which contains the abandonment and enjoyment of the whole person and is not simply an isolated activity of organs. (As cited in John T. Noonan, Contraception: A History of Its Treatment by the Catholic Theologians and Canonists, [1965], pg. 497).
In 1939, the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office condemned Doms book and prohibited it from being used in any Catholic institution. It was placed on The Index.
According to theologian Sola, in the 20th century there arose certain authors (e.g., theologians Doms and Krempel) who proposed a theory that the essence of marriage consists it the mutual perfection of the spouses. For these (censured) theologians, the primary purpose of marriage is the spiritual coming together of the spouses. Therefore, from the union various "goods or fruits" are the result: personal fulfilment, and in the biological order, procreation and education of children, resulting in the total perfection of marriage.

Dear Introibo,
ReplyDeleteThank you very much for this post exposing immorality. Before Vatican II, there were already nude paintings. How come the Vatican did not condemn it like during the Renaissance or 1700s.
I also hope you can make a Singing For Satan post exposing Kpop, just as how you exposed the Beatles and other demonic bands.
As of now, due to the lack of a trad priest, I suddenly became home alone, instead praying the rosary and drawing my own cartoons.
Ryan
Ryan,
DeleteNot all nudity was an occasion of sin, as it was not portrayed salaciously. Nudity in Adam and Eve were meant to symbolize the State of Original Justice prior to the Fall, when everything was innocent. Hopefully, you will get a Traditionalist priest soon--keep the Faith like you're doing now? K-pop as a Singing For Satan post?
I'll definitely consider it!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Wojtyla will surely be elevated to the rank of “Doctor of the Church” by the V2 sect. I think he is, above all, a doctor of heresy.
ReplyDeleteSimon,
DeleteI agree that the sect will soon make him a "Doctor" of the false religion which he headed 1978-2005. Horrible times.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you so much Introibo for finally writing on this garbage from JP2 the Apostate. Easter Blessings on you and your family
ReplyDelete@anon7:42
DeleteEaster Blessing on your family and you as well, my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo or anybody else who might be able to answer my question. Sorry for the off topic question, but there are not a lot of places to ask traditional questions. I am changing jobs and moving to be able to go to mass more often, where I am moving to a CMRI chapel is just over three hours away. I then found out an SSPV chapel is actually in the town I am moving to. I did not actually look for an SSPV church, not because I have anything against them, but because SSPV chapels do not want you to receive sacraments from their priests if you have gone to St Gertrude's or attended mass at CMRI, both of which I have done. The church I go to now, once every several months is a CMRI mission.
ReplyDeleteMy question is, is the SSPV just out of question then for receiving sacraments? I assume you can attend mass at an SSPV chapel but not receive sacraments and that is okay? I would talk to an SSPV priest, but it says on one website I looked at that they do not want questions about it. Any help or advice would be appreciated.
@anon10:49
DeleteSimple solution:
(a) They might not ask. Some SSPV priests don't ask about "Thuc bishops and priests."
(b) Tell them you did go to CMRI, and promise not to go anymore. You cut yourself off from CMRI, but now you have access to the SSPV in your very own town! A good trade-off.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Simpler solution
DeleteTell them you are going to go to CMRI whenever you want and if they refuse you the sacraments tell them off and say I refuse to come here until you change your mind.
I know a lady who lives 30 minutes away from an SSPV mission (hotel) and 1 hour from a CMRI church. She had gone to SSPV for 10 years twice a month but wanted to also go to the an actual church to be able to receive the sacraments when they had it at the CMRI church. At first she was going to keep it quiet but then thought why should I have to be quiet about this. What did she do? She converted over to the CMRI church which offers two Masses a month like the SSPV and told the SSPV that's what she was doing. They tried to guilt her for going there and some loyal long time parishioners that she has known even said she was going to hell for doing so and that she needs to read the Sacred and Profane by Bp. Kelly which she already had done and saw how Mario Derkson debunked it. She said she has never been happier than escaping the SSPV and will not be going back even if 30 minutes away.
Why is everybody afraid of these chumps? Make them afraid you. They depend on you for support.
@anon10:49pm,
DeleteI could not help but smile when I read your post. You touch upon an issue that has been brought up several times over the years as it relates to this topic. It is very timely because my next article deals with this very topic.
Stay tuned!
-TradWarrior
@anon10:20am,
DeleteI liked your reply to that poster. Your example of that lady is a situation that many people find themselves in, thus the reason my next article will deal with this topic. It will be very straightforward and not as lengthy or theological as my last article I wrote.
Those people thought the lady was going to hell? Lol! What a complete joke! I have experienced situations like this myself, as have many other people that I know.
Thank you for the post.
-TradWarrior
@anon10:20
DeleteThat is a confrontational way to do it, and I see your point.
However, I would not say they are “chumps.” This is what is enforced by the Bishop, and people want the Mass and sacraments. They may have no where else to go.
They see how many go along and realize it may not change for many years. I understand your point (and it’s valid) but also understand those who are in a bind.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
And who is at fault for it? Not the people but the SSPV organization. The lady I brought up overcame her fear by making a sacrifice. We can all make some sacrifices if we want to depending on how bad we want it. She is happier now than ever because she is free from the nonsense.
DeleteI could go to them as well because I am only an hour away, but why should I take the chance of being refused the sacraments if they find out I go to the CMRI or elsewhere? Heck with them. I'd rather stay home then abide by their garbage and I do. You may disagree. You may think I'm endangering my soul by missing Mass when I could go, but I believe I'm endangering my soul by being in their presence because I don't think they are Catholics in good standing. They are opinionists. They are disobedient to Pope Pius XII. Their sacrament policies are unjust and against common sense.
Burning bridges is an option for those who have an alternative. Be wise as serpents is always good advice.
DeleteYes, the SSPV hold sedevacantism as an opinion. This is appaling. They stubbornly stick to the pre 1955 liturgical discipline. This is at least rash and disobedient. All of this is wrong. Yet, I would be more than happy to welcome one of their priests in my country because it would mean at least and at last a solidly trained priest who would be willing to be talked to. I believe Introibo when he says that the SSPV seminary training is overall very thorough and close to pre Vatican 2 standards. You would not believe what I had to go through with a certain sedevacantist priest who should not have been let anywhere near a confessional booth.
I understand your being upset, though. I hope we all keep the Faith as best as we can in these horrible times and die in the state of sanctifying grace. Those who have scandalized whatever is left of the flock of Christ today will have to answer to Him who is the Good Shepherd.
God Bless You,
Joanna
how are they entitled to make you promise not to go to cmri? Can't you just say yea sure, but really mean no? people that already attend cspv but then change their mind on Bp. Thuc business don't have to disclose this - they are grandfathered in, and are no longer abiding by the 'sacred oath' of NO cmri. This sounds like when you don't have to answer truthfully to people that who aren't entitled to the answer.
DeleteYou can have them Joanna. What are they "trained" to do? To follow things that are against reason, charity, and Catholic? To withhold sacraments from Catholics who want to have other options? Archbishop Thuc's bishops were valid bishops. The fact that they don't believe that is as absurd as some who don't believe Archbishop Lefevre was a valid bishop because of his consecration by Achille Liénart who happened to be a Freemason. They are to presume the intention of the minister is valid as Pope Leo XIII pointed out in his Encyclical condemning the Anglicans. Not the other way around.
DeleteBp. Roy among others wants us all to get together. I don't want to get together with people like them. They are just another version of the SSPX which is where the problem began.
Bp. Sanborn's thesis concludes that the Modernists/Apostates have to convert to turn things around for the hierarchy but what would be more miraculous would to to rely on Trads of every flavor to get things right especially if they are bred in the SSPX. It's not going to happen.
@anon10:10 and anon8:53
DeleteI agree the SSPV is wrong on "Thuc bishops" and not accepting the Pian changes. That being said, if someone wants to go to their Mass and receive the sacraments from them, they have that right.
Does the SSPV have the right to ask if you go elsewhere for Mass? I don't believe they do. Nevertheless, people need the grace of the Mass and sacraments. The SSPV will not be giving that stance up anytime soon. The RCI push sedeprivationism as some "dogma." Stop going unless/until they stop?
If someone wishes to make a sacrifice, fine. As Joanna said, she would love to have access to a real Mass and sacraments. SSPV holds on to a stubborn position from Bp. Kelly. I must admit that in talking to their priests, they are well-informed and reasonable. Many don't agree with "Thuc bishops" but are made to go along.
If you want to make a sacrifice fine. If not, I gave the simple solution to go to SSPV.
God Bless,
---Introibo
You can go to the Eastern churches if you want to as well but that doesn't mean you are putting yourself in a good position, especially if you have a family. Why? Because despite having valid sacraments, you run the next bigger risk of involvement with a parish where you are getting fed false ideas. These ideas inculcate a certain attitude about a specific issue which makes a person compromised.
DeleteTheologians may say Catholics are permitted to receive sacraments from "undeclared" heretics but that doesn't mean it's a good idea especially if you become scandalized or brainwashed with the false beliefs you are expected to believe.
Bad shepherds are bad enough, but to have a possible heretic or dissenter teaching your children or even yourself just because that's all you got is a pathetic reason to go to Mass. What good are sacraments if you are be fed with another poison which lead you to other sins.
Introibo when you say "I must admit that in talking to their priests (SSPV), they are well-informed and reasonable. Many don't agree with "Thuc bishops" but are made to go along" that makes them look all the worse because they ought to know better for doing something they know is wrong.
As far as the RCI, I personally do not recommend people get involved with them either. They may be different than the SSPV pastorally and theologically but to be apart of them also has its consequences. They do not accept different theological opinions opposed to theirs. They also reject Pope Pius XII and do their own thing. They believe in a position (the thesis) which they expect their congregations to also believe if they are a regular attendants.
@anon8:54
DeleteThe Eastern Rites are dubious since 1990.
About the Thuc bishops you say that even though many SSPV priests disagree "that makes them look all the worse because they ought to know better for doing something they know is wrong."
It's not decided by the Church and not heretical to believe Thuc bishops are invalid. Does it go against the manifest weight of the credible evidence? Yes. Is the validity of the Thuc bishops ,orally certain? Yes. However, does the priest want to go out on his own instead of helping the SSPV members over an issue that does not involve a matter of faith and is not enforced in most cases today?
They don't, and I agree.
God Bless,
---Introibo
This looks to still be a on going problem with the SSPV. Introibo,which CSPV priests do you know that don't ever bring the subject up? I am aware they don't make the announcement on the Thuc Bishops anymore from the pulpit. Father Jenkins still keeps going on and on. One would get the impression that Bishop Kelly "brainwashed" his followers with this garbage.
ReplyDeleteWhat are your thoughts Introibo and others on the high conversion rate to the Russian Orthodox Church, etc in this country of America? 100,000 in the last decade? Us sedes are not making those numbers.
@anon3:21
DeleteI won’t name the particular priests, because I wouldn’t want them to get in trouble.
The conversion of people to the EO is understandable as it gives reverence and stability much more than most sects. The V2 sect is a joke. Wouldn’t surprise me if most converts come from there.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
The rise in EO in America is mostly due to American Protestants who want tradition and reverence, but they don't want to have to submit to a concrete central authority like the Pope. EO have a Protestant ecclesiology at this point, so it's a seamless transition for the hyper individualistic American Protestants. Just look at the behavior of "orthobros" like Jay Dyer, they still conduct themselves like Protestants, now with icons in their room.
DeleteThough it should be mentioned that the current crisis has pushed some Catholics to EO. It appears as an appealing alternative, but that is solely due to the average Latin rite Catholic knowing next to nothing about any of the Eastern churches and so they're seen as exotic and traditional. I know many sedes don't look favorable upon him after Kwasniewsky used a quote from one of his private letters out of context, but I highly recommend all traditional Catholics read Fr Adrian Fortescue's book The Orthodox Eastern Church. It has excellent information about the EO (albeit a little dated; it was written during St Pius X's pontificate), treats them surprisingly fairly, and yet masterfully refutes the EO position and affirms the Catholic position. I know of two young men who were sedevacantist but are now EO, so I think it is important to educate all traditional Catholics on this subject lest they be tempted away.
CSPV priests definitely reject The Thuc Line and they explicitly ask people to refrain from receiving Holy Communion if someone is a newcomer before you talk to a priest. They make announcement before their sermons begin. They want you to talk to a priest so they can discuss their positions with you and set forth their rules regarding the reception of The Sacraments at their mass locations. Bishop Santay gave a sermon not too long ago about his total rejection of The Thuc Line bishops. It is not just Fr. Jenkins who adheres to this position.
ReplyDeleteAs for The schismatic “Orthodox”, many young men have gone down this path of perdition because they see that these groups show outward signs of manliness. They are attracted to the external rituals and appearances of manliness among the so called “Orthodox” and they wrongly see it as way to reject this horrible feminized and emasculated world. The “Orthodox” are not Christian. They reject the Filioque and The Papacy. There are other reasons they are not Christian. There are many disenfranchised men all over The Liberal West, and elsewhere, seeking answers in a world filled with cultural rot, sissified men, and degraded and depraved women. They see beards and external rituals and some talks on obeying the natural law and think they have found the truth. They have found a dead end. The “Orthodox” clans will not lead souls to salvation. Many associate The Catholic Church with the fake modernist V2 sect. But this is no excuse to reject The Catholic Faith. None whatsoever. People who want the truth, will find the truth. It might take longer for some but they must keep seeking and not reject the truth when the positions they hold are shown to be false. This obstinacy is what leads these people to Hell. We are here to know and serve God. That’s our purpose. If the truth is put right in front of someone and they reject it because it doesn’t fit in with their world view or lifestyle, or it’s just inconvenient, then, this is a pertinacious rejection of the Truth and God’s grace that he sends to everyone.
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteIf you ever find out who ordained "Father" M.E. Morrison, could you do an article about it?
I talked with a Traditionalist priest while back, and he VOLUNTEERED who ordained him. I didn't even ask! And it was a known valid bishop.
@anon7:23
DeleteI know "Fr." Morrison from back in the 1990s. He is very kind, humble, and affable. However, when I asked him who his ordaining bishop was, he refused to answer, saying only "he was very traditional." If you have information on this, I would do a post on it. There must be real evidence to back up the claim that "Bishop X ordained him."
As nice as he is, I consider Morrison a dubious priest. He also told me "it doesn't matter who ordains a priest" as long as the priest "says the Traditional Mass reverently." The validity of a priest's ordination makes all the difference in the world. If an invalid priest attempts to offer the True Mass, it is equally invalid and worthless, no matter how "reverent" it may be.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteThis was an excellent article and one that I was hoping that you would write on for a while. It was very informative!
Years ago, I associated with many young adults who were very much into JPII’s “Theology of the Body.” They would get together and read from his work quite often. They revered him to no end. I never joined them for certain events that they did, and this was one of them. This work, even back then, struck me as goofy and it just didn’t sit right with me. Naturally, there was a lot of fellowship with other young adults over different religious and social events that we engaged in, but this was one thing that I never joined in with. JPII’s work here just always seemed “off” to me and never seemed Catholic. Your article helped to greatly enunciate why that is. For this, I thank you. I always saw it as a reason for these people to get together to feel they could talk about sex, under the guise of theology. After all, if “Pope” “St.” John Paul “The Great” wrote such a fantastic work, then it must be fine to talk about this work in detail because he was such a “wonderful pope” (the most wonderful to these people). His rock star status made it even harder to disagree with Wojtyla on any topic he wrote on because so many people, especially young adults, held the man on such a pedestal that it was impossible to take the minority opinion and criticize him because you literally would be alone in this fight. I took that minority opinion at times, even back then, and it bewildered and angered people. You could formulate a case full of evidence very carefully against Roncalli, Montini, Luciani, Ratzinger, Bergoglio, and now Prevost and to many in the V2 sect, they will be upset at you. To do so against Wojtyla, takes their anger against you to a whole other level!
Thank you again for writing on this topic.
God bless,
-TradWarrior
Trad Warrior,
Delete"I always saw it as a reason for these people to get together to feel they could talk about sex, under the guise of theology."
You nailed it, my friend! That is THE one and only reason for the insane success of that sleazy garbage dressed in modernist double-speak that is ToB. Discussing sex with the use of false philosophical ideas makes one feel oh so grown-up!
I watched part of an interview made by the infamous Trad Recovery with a young woman who had grown up in an SSPX, Williamson-type community from an early age (the usual stuff, women-are-dumb-and-should-only-mind-their-pots-and-dozen-babies type) only to convert to the Novus Ordo becaue of the way women were treated and fell for Wojtyla's "liberating" ToB.
Apparently, theology of the body is a big thing among lapsed recognize and resisters who went full Novus Ordo: https://www.tradrecovery.com/spiritual-enrichment
God Bless You,
Joanna
God Bless You,
Joanna
TradWarrior,
DeleteYes, you nailed it, my friend!
Joanna,
Thank you for the link!
God Bless you both,
---Introibo
https://akacatholic.com/john-paul-ii-the-revolutionary/ is a 28 Sept. 2017 post wherein it is noted, by JP2's pre-eminent biographer, George Weigel, in 1999, that TOB (= Theology of the Body) is "one of the boldest reconfigurations of Catholic theology in centuries" and that it is a "kind of theological time bomb set to go off with dramatic consequences."
ReplyDelete@anon10:44
DeleteThat analysis is correct! Thank you for the link!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo
ReplyDeleteI was wondering if Bishop X who ordained Morrison is Thom Sebastian who was ordained and consecrated through a Bishop of a Old Catholic line called John Simmons who had a immoral background. He also consecrated the late Father Terrence Fulham(ordained by Bishop Pivarunas) or it could be a Bishop Merrill Adamson?
If a priest can't or will not give details of his ordaining Bishop , I would keep away. What is he hiding?
Bishop Simmons personal life doesn't matter during the conferral of Holy Orders. If he did what the Church commands and followed the ceremonies,that Priest is validly Ordained.
Delete-Andrew
Andrew,
DeleteWhile true, Old Catholic orders are a big problem. Canonists such as Beste and Regatillo concede the presumption of validity to orders conferred by the Old Catholic bishops in Holland, Germany and Switzerland ONLY. This was pre-Vatican II of course. Therefore, I consider nearly ALL Old Catholic orders DUBIOUS, which means you must consider such clergy as invalid in practice.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Correct me if I'm wrong,+Simmons was Ord Con by the one last valid +Duarte-Line Bishop who was himself Ord Con by +Duarte-Costa.
Delete-Andrew
Andrew,
DeleteThe Duarte Costa line is so fraught with problems, I wouldn't go near anyone claiming orders from him. Although Duarte Costa (excommunicated by Pope Pius XII in 1945) used correct matter and form, the same cannot be said of those who descend from him.
To give but one example, almost ALL of Duarte Costa's bishops accepted the validity of Anglican orders. Second, they don't always use the Traditional Rite.
The so-called "Charismatic Episcopal Church" was founded by an Anglican priest, "Fr" Craig Bates circa 1992. He received his "ordination" from an Anglican "bishop." Without conditional or absolute ordination a Duarte Costa bishop "consecrated" him, and used the Pauline Rite. It is dubious if a baptized layman or deacon can be validly consecrated without first being a priest, and the Pauline Rite is every bit as "absolutely null and utterly void" as Anglican orders.
Simmons is dubious at best.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I'm aware but from what +Fullham stated,+Simmons was Ord Con in the Tridentine Rite by the last living Bishop who was Ord Con by Duarte-Costa himself. I don't know simply passing along the info? +Fullham seemed like sincere Bishop who wouldn't lie and also desire valid Episcopal Consecration.
DeleteGod bless,
-Andrew
Personally attend the CSPV and I love that they offer the pre-55 Missale Romanum.
ReplyDeleteIf you just keep it to yourself + act normal,they won't bother over where you attend Holy Mass. Making a spectacle of yourself and Sacraments is something everyone wants to avoid. They (CSPV) get a bad rap,not every one of their Priests are like Fr Jenkins. Just be cool and keep it brief,they are busy enough.
-Andrew
Andrew,
DeleteI agree.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Nice to hear from you Andrew after a long time. I agree all of the CSPV are good men. Father Jenkins views are way off. He looks angry whenever the subject of the Thuc bishops come up.
ReplyDelete@anon6:42
DeleteYes, he has real issues with Thuc and it seems to set him off.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo
ReplyDeleteIn the recent What Catholics Believe program, Father Jenkins is at it again regarding the Thuc Bishops. He says that Thuc deviated from Catholic Tradition by doing things condemned by the Church and those who support the Thuc line are off the reservation on false principles and how they look to Thuc as their main stay of Catholic Tradition and its a contradiction.
What does one do?
"What does one do?"
DeleteKeep listening to him with fervor and conviction. Give more money to them. Agree with them and brag about how trained they are. Double down and don't let any dirty Thuc line affiliate receive Communion. Who wants those cooties anyways? Swear your allegiance to their opinions to show that you are loyal and obedient. Be like them and spread the word so that way people can only come to them for being "solid" and "grounded."
@anon6:20
DeleteI really don't listen to Fr. Jenkins for that reason. His rabid defense of Thuc is not shared by many in the SSPV and it will (in my opinion) cease to be enforced. There's no need to really do anything.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anon8:06
DeleteYou need not go to the SSPV if you can go elsewhere or feel the need to make a sacrifice. The SSPV priests I know (with one exception) are very well trained and give good advice. Fr. Cekada (to give but one example) was far worse: anti-Pian Holy Week, enforced anti- Una Cum, and defending the MURDER of Terri Schiavo. I would not attend one of his Masses. However, I would NOT tell others they CANNOT go to him for Mass.
The only priests to be avoided are those that espouse heresy condemned by the Church (e.g., Feeneyism).
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo, do you have a CMRI chapel near you?
DeleteSo we should avoid the sacraments if the only priest near us is a feeneyite?
@anon4:32
DeleteNo, the CMRI is not near me.
Yes, you should avoid a Feeneyite priest, as he is a DECLARED heretic. In 1953, the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office excommunicated Leonard Feeney for HERESY (not "disobedience") in denying BOD and BOB. The decree was approved and ordered published by Pope Pius XII.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteI believe that SSPV, including Father Jenkins, OPPOSED the murder of Terri Schiavo.
@anon1:34
DeleteYes, they did! Fr. Jenkins was VERY outspoken against Schiavo's murder, and his logical and moral principles were air-tight. He even got a Traditionalist neurosurgeon to reduce to a writing why Fr. Cekada was wrong even as to the medical FACTS of the Schiavo case. Cekada had the audacity to question the good doctor's medical knowledge and used "common sense" to "rebut" him.
The SSPV stood tall for Catholic moral teaching!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteYou have mentioned that you live in New York City. I don't know where in NYC you live, and I don't know your real name. You are anonymous on this blog, and I respect that.
On the CMRI website, they have a Mass location listed in NYC.
@anon9:59
DeleteThis was news to me, so I went to the CMRI website and looked up New York. They have a chapel in Glenmont which is near Albany —no where near to NYC.
Unless this is a very new location? Where? Please let me know the address because I certainly don’t know of such a chapel or church run by the CMRI in NYC.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
This was on the CMRI website. Auburndale is part of the Queens borough of NYC .
ReplyDeleteNew York
Auburndale
Sanctuary of Our Lady of La Salette
46-44 204th St
Auburndale, NY 11361
Fr. Paul Dolorosa: (917) 217-3391
Fr. Andrew: (929) 264-2040
Sunday Mass: 8:00 am and 10:00 am
Monday - Friday: 7:30 am and 6:00 pm
Saturday: 9:30 am
@anon11:43
DeleteYou're right on! Don't know how I missed it! (Probably from being tired and not having the vision I used to have---but no matter!
Someone mentioned a Chapel in Queens a couple of years ago but did NOT say it was CMRI, and claimed Mass was only offered "a couple of times a month." I never followed up on it.
Thanks to you, I will check it out. I may have found another place, right here in NYC, to attend Holy Mass!
Thank you so much for this information.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Can you please go into more details about the murder of Terri Schiavo. New to Tradition and young. Do you think that Saint Gertrude the Great is now much better parish now Bishop Dolan and Father Cekada are gone. Many thanks
ReplyDelete@anon4:54
DeleteCongratulations on your conversion! You'll be in my prayers.
1. Terri Schiavo was a young woman who fell into a persistent vegetative state (PVS). For years Michael Schiavo, her adulterous husband, wanted her feeding and hydration tubes removed--ORDINARY means of care that is required by Natural Law and Positive Divine Law. Her parents, the Schindlers, fought the murderous adulterer in court and lost. Terri was starved and dehydrated to death over several agonizing days, with her date of death March 31, 2005. Even Wojtyla and the Modernist Vatican was right on this case. Here's a good write-up---but it is Vatican II sect and I in no way endorse the website:
https://catholicstand.com/the-homicide-of-terri-schindler-schiavo/
2. Is St. GG better? I don't know. Fr. Cekada and Bp. Dolan did much good, but unfortunately, Fr. Cekada became one of the very "follow-me-or-die" clerics he once (rightfully) abhorred.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo
ReplyDeleteYour above reply to Andrew regarding Old Catholic orders. You bring up about the line of 'bishops" from Duarte Costa succession. There are hundreds of "bishops" world wide that descend from them. Their so called groups range from conservative to ultra liberal. I have never heard Father Jenkins speak about them.
God bless
@anon8:53
DeleteNor have I heard Fr. Jenkins mention them. The Duarte Costa line is dubious and bad news. In my opinion, stay away.
God Bless,
---Introibo
In the "Contending - Part 46" post of this blog, dated Dec. 1, 2025, there is a comment of Dec. 5 at 8:50 concerning the "Theology of the Bawdy", and yet another comment of Dec. 7 at 6:02 about Wolf Wojtyla's "Theology of the Body" = TotB. The latter deals with Ann Barnhardt and why she thinks TotB features both philosophical and sexual perversions. Alas, Ann still stubbornly sticks with her position that the Polish papal pretender and his groomed-by-him-to-be-the-pope protege, the Bavarian uber-modernist, were genuine (!) popes for 44 years, from 1978-2022. A direct link to Ann's observations about the canonized-by-the-V2.org Polish (TotB) Pervert is:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.barnhardt.biz/2025/06/15/20863/
Ann now has a new name for Bob (FtR) of Chicago, to whom she refers as "Pervost" = a combination of "Pervert" and "Prevost".
I have no idea if Miss Ann B. had this in mind (probably not) but "Robert Prevost" just so happens to be an anagram (not Ann-agram) of "Robot Perverts". An AI (= American Illinois) guy, so concerned with AI bots taking over the world, that a CNS YouTube video of May 10, 2025 is titled "Pope Leo: A.I. inspired name choice".
DeleteWhen it comes to being the "Grand Master Theologian" of the "Theology of the Body" probably nobody wrote better prose than "Cardinal" Victor Manuel Fernandez, who was ordained a Novus Ordo priest in 1986 during the reign of Wojtyla the Great Apostate. For whatever reasons, Bobby Pervost kept him on after the 2025 conclave, as one of his closest associates, instead of sending him back to Argentina.
Deletehttps://novusordowatch.org/2024/01/fernandez-book-mystical-passion-spirituality-and-sensuality/
Prevost is a Pachamama Pervert, evidently.
Deletehttps://novusordowatch.org/2021/06/no-idolatry-pachamama-tim-staples/
https://novusordowatch.org/2026/03/robert-prevost-pachamama-worship-video-presentation/
The top comment of the latter blog post, composed by "ProRomaMariana" was: "Exactly! Leo the pacha "pope" ... Not Pachamama, but Pachapapa! ... He now has a new nickname, like all the others: Poop Narcis, Poop Maledict, etc. Now we have a Pachapapa." ^*^ In other words, "Habemus (Pacha)papa(m)!" And Francis = Narcis. And Benedict = Maledict. And Pachapapa Prevost = Pachamama Pervost. A Prevosterous "Poop".
Introibo
ReplyDeleteFrom what I understand Father Terrence Fulham(RIP) in the last few years of his life rejected his "consecration" from Simmons due finding out info about problems with the "bishop" who consecrated him. Father Fulham was a former SSPX seminarian who was ordained by bishop Pivarunas. Several years after he was in Florida , he rejected the sedevacantist position and started teaching garbage about how the Vatican two "Popes" were Popes. Talk about bizarre. He drove his chapel members away till in the end after his death, the chapel board members decided to sell the building. Then to end it off, his funeral was conducted by an Old Catholic priest. Did you know about him?
@anon5:37
DeleteYes, I knew about him and he was strange to say the least. I wasn’t aware about the Old Catholic minister conducting the funeral, but I’m not surprised. I hope he came back to the One True Church before he went to Judgement.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Would you accept the orders of Bishop(?) Michael French who was consecrated by a Bishop Emmanuel Korab here in the UK?
ReplyDeleteHis website is www.tridentine.co.uk
@anon7:47
DeleteI looked at the website and it doesn’t say specifically who ordained him (unless I missed it).
I would need to know more before making a decision.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Introibo
DeleteScroll down his webpage. It is near the bottom and gives a detail of a long succession. I still have doubts.
JP2 was a great deception.
@anon6:52
DeleteI saw it and a big red flag. Yes, Bp. Hnilica was a true Catholic bishop. However, there is only record of him consecrating a single bishop, Jan Korec, who was made “Cardinal” by Wojtyla.
The “bishop” who is named after Hnilica has no record of consecration from Hnilica. Moreover, Korec was always in good graces with the Modernist Vatican, which would not be the case if he consecrated a bishop without Wojtyla’s permission.
My advice: stay away. It’s highly suspicious.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
+Hnilica conditionally Ord Con +Korab,who was previously in an eastern European old Catholic sect.
Delete+Korec is a different Bishop from +Korab.
-Andrew
Andrew,
DeleteI know Korab is not the same as Korec. There is no record of any such conditional consecration. Had he done so Wojtyla would have "excommunicated" him. I have also seen NO evidence that Hnilica was a Traditionalist.
Very shady and probably fraudulent.
God Bless,
---Introibo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_of_the_Body
ReplyDeletehttps://grokipedia.com/page/Theology_of_the_Body
Listing of these links does not imply any endorsement of any of the contents of either of them, but is for informational purposes only, in relation to the title Introibo used at the very top of this blog post. Right underneath that title a photo can be seen of an Impostor Pope (= a Nope). How could he not have known about the Fatima-related Impostor Sister Lucy, who he was publicly promoting?!?
https://thefatimafiles.substack.com/p/are-we-living-in-the-end-times
One is reminded of the trenchant aphorism that "All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; Third, it is accepted as self-evident."