tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post1976148844643567240..comments2024-03-28T23:07:29.586-07:00Comments on Introibo Ad Altare Dei: The Case Against RoncalliIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-32692367690175090802023-07-28T11:21:47.910-07:002023-07-28T11:21:47.910-07:00Ryan,
I heard this, but have not researched it and...Ryan,<br />I heard this, but have not researched it and have no personal knowledge. Nor do I know where such info could be found. Maybe search Novus Ordo Watch?<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-7548769704226819852023-07-27T18:59:22.067-07:002023-07-27T18:59:22.067-07:00Wasn't there a few Cardinals who died under su...Wasn't there a few Cardinals who died under suspicious circumstances before roncalli was elected? Do you know where I could find more info on this?Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05995185154782928965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-48116243713925066982022-02-16T18:53:58.364-08:002022-02-16T18:53:58.364-08:00@anon9:25
As this was written nearly three years a...@anon9:25<br />As this was written nearly three years ago, I don't have all the sources at my fingertips. To the best of my knowledge and belief, this was another person's translation of the original.<br /><br />I always vet my sources and I hope you are not accusing me of calumny. As I wrote below the section you cite:<br /><br />"Nor is this an isolated report of Roncalli participating in prayer with those outside the Church. According to John Hughes in Pontiffs:Popes Who Shaped History [Our Sunday Visitor Press, 1994], "He [Roncalli] became good friends of the Reverend Austin Oakley, chaplain at the British Embassy and the Archbishop of Canterbury's personal representative to the Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch. Even more unusual were Roncalli's visits to Oakley's chapel, where the two men prayed together." <br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-4508062596423213362022-02-15T21:25:57.675-08:002022-02-15T21:25:57.675-08:00To the author's comments: "According to R...To the author's comments: "According to Renzo Allegri (translated from the original Italian Il Papa che ha cambiato il mondo, Testimonianze sulla vita private di Giovanni XXIII, pg. 66) a Bulgarian journalist named Stefano Karadgiov stated..." <br /><br />Just to clarify: Is this YOUR own English translation concerning this particular incident/chapter in Roncalli's pre-Oct. 1958 history, by which you are clearly and implicitly accusing him of the mortal Sin of Communicatio in Sacris (i.e. Prayer in common w/ non-Catholics; cf. 1917 CIC 1258 & 2316? Or do you mean to say that the author R. Allegri later published his own translation? Or, is there some other verifiable, third party, English translation published after the original edition, of which there's been no apparent mention made herein, for some reason? Could you please clarify. Thanks in advance. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-31073822643600833442022-01-17T13:19:30.018-08:002022-01-17T13:19:30.018-08:00That why I believe Ratzinger is the most dangerous...That why I believe Ratzinger is the most dangerous of all these days.harolharthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10079791974046568908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-79569820044563463232021-10-27T19:43:16.935-07:002021-10-27T19:43:16.935-07:00Fr. Jacqmin,
The "Universal Acceptance" ...Fr. Jacqmin,<br />The "Universal Acceptance" argument is a misapplied principle as I explain here:<br /><br />http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/04/does-universal-acceptance-guarantee.html<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-86634989156365038922021-10-27T13:57:28.257-07:002021-10-27T13:57:28.257-07:00Please see this article. Thanks. http://scaturrex....Please see this article. Thanks. http://scaturrex.eu/2021/10/27/was-john-xxiii-ever-pope-certainly-yes/Father Eric Jacqminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04999539812429051378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-26910456139291636372021-08-27T13:39:29.757-07:002021-08-27T13:39:29.757-07:00Dr. Weezil,
I don't think it is weak at all. T...Dr. Weezil,<br />I don't think it is weak at all. To reiterate:<br /><br />"Bishop Roncalli, on the contrary, always PARTICIPATED in Orthodox functions, arousing astonishment and perplexity in some Catholics." He participated which means more than mere passive attendance for a just cause and it gave scandal which is a most serious sin.<br /><br /> ""He [Roncalli] became good friends of the Reverend Austin Oakley, chaplain at the British Embassy and the Archbishop of Canterbury's personal representative to the Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch. Even more unusual were Roncalli's visits to Oakley's chapel, where the two men PRAYED TOGETHER." (Emphasis mine). Furthermore, according to Kerry Walters in John XXIII (A Short Biography) Franciscan Media,[2013]..." This is the sin of communicatio in sacris. <br /><br />Lastly, one CANNOT, except for serious reasons, passively attend (let alone ACTIVELY attend--like Roncalli) the services of declared heretics such as the Eastern Orthodox. The fact that the Liturgy may be Catholic does nothing to change that principle. Fr Leonard Feeney continued to use the Traditional Latin Rite Mass after his solemn excommunication by Pope Pius XII in 1953, but you certainly could not attend it.<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-9439632177075915262021-08-27T12:58:07.696-07:002021-08-27T12:58:07.696-07:00Roncalli's supposed affection for the Byzantin... Roncalli's supposed affection for the Byzantine Rite practiced by the Bulgarian Orthodoxy is the weakest argument here. The Byzantine Rite, either the Divine Liturgy of St. John Christosom or St. Basil the Great, that of the Eastern Catholics, who are in communion with Rome, is not "false worship." Did he receive communion from Orthodox priests? All that is said is he had a fondness for the chants.Dr. Weezilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08100872384842284034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-78355229990081057482021-01-04T04:05:50.741-08:002021-01-04T04:05:50.741-08:00@Unknown
Even if , ad arguendo, "every cathol...@Unknown<br />Even if , ad arguendo, "every catholic on Earth" accepted him as pope (not true, there were cardinals and theologians who had grave reservations from the beginning like Spellman and Ottavianni) it might have been a mortal sin to deny he was pope AT THAT TIME. Indeed, his decrees were accepted by most. However, "universal acceptance" cannot "make a heretic pope" anymore than universal acceptance of a woman would make her pope. Once his actions became apparent (evil/heretical) his papacy can be rejected as per theologian Szal.<br /><br />---IntroiboIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-29029583955429692072021-01-04T02:27:04.637-08:002021-01-04T02:27:04.637-08:00You did not address the papacy of John XXIII. Ever...You did not address the papacy of John XXIII. Every Catholic on earth accepted him as Pope. It was only after Vatican II that some started saying he had not been Pope. And the theologians say that the legitimacy of a Pope is to be accepted de fide (that means it is a mortal sin against faith to deny it). Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04000723626076539243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-72957189452470389462021-01-02T09:48:44.592-08:002021-01-02T09:48:44.592-08:00@anon6:05
Please see my post where I tackle that i...@anon6:05<br />Please see my post where I tackle that issue as misrepresented by the detestable "ex-Mason" Salza<br />http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/04/does-universal-acceptance-guarantee.html<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />---Introibo<br />Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-48209377513846917352021-01-02T06:05:08.989-08:002021-01-02T06:05:08.989-08:00Many theologians say the universal acceptance of s...Many theologians say the universal acceptance of someone as Pope is an infallible sign that he is indeed Pope. I have never heard of no one who contested the election of John XXIII at that time. The same can also apply to Paul VI.<br /><br />There are plenty citations from the theologians here: http://www.trueorfalsepope.com/p/peaceful-and-universal-acceptance-quotes.html?m=1<br /><br />(I do not agree with the R&R position)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04000723626076539243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-78406882797306609652020-09-01T08:22:43.352-07:002020-09-01T08:22:43.352-07:00One of my favorite writers, the erudite Catholic j...One of my favorite writers, the erudite Catholic journalist, Mary Ball Martinez should be read by all who think Eugenio Pacelli was some sort of champion for traditional Catholicism--he was not.Craig Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-89338323629479480902019-08-26T15:57:07.997-07:002019-08-26T15:57:07.997-07:00@anon2:40
You’re missing the point. Yes, we should...@anon2:40<br />You’re missing the point. Yes, we should all work for a Catholic country as used to be the case in Western Europe. Until then we may tolerate errors as best we can. Roncalli taught that religious freedom whereby one religion is as good as another was TRUE and SHOULD BE THE CASE.<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-26523338653800775772019-08-26T14:40:39.900-07:002019-08-26T14:40:39.900-07:00May a Catholic swear to defend the Constitution of...May a Catholic swear to defend the Constitution of the United States, knowing full well of the provisions of the First Amendment concerning the freedom of religion, or would that make him a heretic?<br />Probably same as reciting the Pledge of Allegiance - - that's a sin, right, cause the U.S. allows Jews to practice Judaism and Buddhists to practice Buddhism as a matter of right? Mortal sin, no?<br />Should I be working toward the abolition of the First Amendment?<br />Has any legit Pope ever condemned the U.S. Constitution or put it on the Index? Why have I never heard anything about this before today?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-2709386608603836182019-06-20T22:06:13.425-07:002019-06-20T22:06:13.425-07:00As Pius XII set up a secret liturgy reform commiss...As Pius XII set up a secret liturgy reform commission with Montini and Bugnini as members years before 1955, while also setting up an overt, formal commission which knew nothing of the secret one, and were stunned by the 1955 revision of the liturgy, about which they also knew nothing, it is hard to say that the was their ill, elderly puppet. He used them as puppets, not vice versa. See The Rite of Sodomy, Volume 5 for a well researched and documented description of this.Laceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17207918191698130270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-56601879403515543022019-05-24T08:41:15.995-07:002019-05-24T08:41:15.995-07:00Leo,
Don’t count on it. I try to have all my opini...Leo,<br />Don’t count on it. I try to have all my opinions well-backed up. I call Roncalli a false pope with GOOD REASON. I find it rare that other lay Traditionalists do the same. The ones who yell loudest usually have the least to back up their assertions. <br /><br />Two big exceptions of lay Traditionalists who can back up everything they write (even to the smallest detail) are Mario Derksen Of Novus Ordo Watch And Steven Speray’s blog. They are both gentlemen and scholars for whom I have the greatest respect.<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-91472174373724698392019-05-23T23:24:52.125-07:002019-05-23T23:24:52.125-07:00I, too, would love to see them, because Mr. Daly&#...I, too, would love to see them, because Mr. Daly's case looks solid. Maybe your interlocutor could weigh in?Leonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-53380162331420251322019-05-23T16:17:58.953-07:002019-05-23T16:17:58.953-07:00I'm not a vacancy pusher.
It's my belief t...I'm not a vacancy pusher.<br />It's my belief through research and learning (this blog being one of them) that Pius XII lost his office in 56 not 58.<br />I could be wrong plus I do not push this belief on anyone.<br />God bless.<br />-Andrew Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-7837091239348518402019-05-23T07:41:31.104-07:002019-05-23T07:41:31.104-07:00Jannie,
Thanks so much for sharing that great ana...Jannie,<br /><br />Thanks so much for sharing that great analogy!! Much appreciated.<br /><br />JoAnn<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-59962869699689393952019-05-23T06:57:04.128-07:002019-05-23T06:57:04.128-07:00Leo,
To the best of my knowledge and belief, Mr Da...Leo,<br />To the best of my knowledge and belief, Mr Daly has not changed position. I’d love to see the arguments against what he’s written.<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-77645705989182016742019-05-23T05:59:50.789-07:002019-05-23T05:59:50.789-07:00Peter Lamb,
What you said proves my point. The No...Peter Lamb,<br /><br />What you said proves my point. The Novus ordo religion is the devil's masterpiece because it is devoid of sanctifying grace for the exception of baptism. BTW, I'm having more doubts in some baptisms in the Novus ordo because I've heard of "priests" baptizing babies by pouring water on the butt, baptizing babies with trans gendered parents (where would the intention to remove sin be if he doesn't recognize the problematic sin with raising a child by transgendered parents)? Not baptizing individuals with the proper form (how hard is that?). etc. etc. The Novus Ordo religion is cursed. <br /><br />Lee Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-37264207811506341312019-05-23T02:27:25.677-07:002019-05-23T02:27:25.677-07:00Dear Anonymous @ 11;22am, I agree with what you sa...Dear Anonymous @ 11;22am, I agree with what you say, but I think the cause, uber alles, is the dirth, or rather absence of Sanctifying Grace in NO sacraments, (except Baptism and Matrimony), and "mass." The new rite of Episcopal Consecration is doubtful to the point of moral certainty that it is invalid. Hence NO ordinations, mass ,sacraments are invalid and devoid of Sacramental Grace. Poor, innocent, ignorant Catholics bend their knees before pieces of bread concocted by laymen presiders on Sundays. They certainly receive grace for their pure intention, but no Sacramental Grace if there is no Sacrament. Couple this with 60 years of protestant NO influence and misguidance and you have the average Catholic in the street. One has to be about 70 years old to have actually lived, appreciated and experienced Catholicism prior to vatican II. Most young Catholics today do not know what true Catholicism is. How could they? When I was at Loreto Convent, there were Nuns galore - from rosy cheeked novices to venerable ancients who taught my father in grade one. The same applied at Christian Brothers' College. Every dorp (village) in South Africa had a Convent. Today there are none. My Loreto and C.B.C. still exist - but without a single Religious. How does one keep the Faith without the strength from Sanctifying Grace?Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-10229843045654225302019-05-22T23:07:26.138-07:002019-05-22T23:07:26.138-07:00I heard, quite a few years ago (I cannot remember ...I heard, quite a few years ago (I cannot remember the source), that John Daly had changed his stance on "Pacem in Terris", that he no longer thought it was explicitly heretical. Can anyone verify this?Leonoreply@blogger.com