tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post709613077824756299..comments2024-03-26T19:23:49.755-07:00Comments on Introibo Ad Altare Dei: Defending The IndefensibleIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-62905418214012675322017-04-02T04:32:37.695-07:002017-04-02T04:32:37.695-07:00You are correct. As I was preparing this week'...You are correct. As I was preparing this week's post (which will address the matter in more depth), I must have relied on the 1960s edition of Denzinger by mistake.<br /><br />Mea culpa,<br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-10591030815121845922017-04-02T03:25:08.075-07:002017-04-02T03:25:08.075-07:00Saint Athanasius was not in open disobedience to a...Saint Athanasius was not in open disobedience to any pope, nor was he excommunicated by one. See: http://novusordowatch.org/2016/11/response-schneider-pope-liberius/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-20504535247235858402017-03-27T07:32:46.020-07:002017-03-27T07:32:46.020-07:00Great comment!Great comment!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-1134499824775893182017-03-27T07:24:16.320-07:002017-03-27T07:24:16.320-07:00Thank you! SSPX positions makes no sense. Accordin...Thank you! SSPX positions makes no sense. According to them, unless the Church deposes Frankie, he is still the Pope anyway, as they do not believe in the IPSO FACTO loss of office. Seems they are panicking!Franciscus Suareius SIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604316053573366436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-63070626014421455642017-03-27T07:17:22.026-07:002017-03-27T07:17:22.026-07:00I'll attempt to answer this in my post next we...I'll attempt to answer this in my post next week!<br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-54919428032357758922017-03-27T07:09:15.966-07:002017-03-27T07:09:15.966-07:00Why the SSPX wants to try to convince the people t...Why the SSPX wants to try to convince the people that Frankie is not a FORMAL heretic? They believe there has to be a formal judgement by the Church to depose a "Pope", no? So even if Frankie is a formal heretic, so what (for the SSPX)? Franciscus Suareius SIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10604316053573366436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-2598784127298244332017-03-26T22:48:13.586-07:002017-03-26T22:48:13.586-07:00Very well stated my friend! Thank you for such an ...Very well stated my friend! Thank you for such an intelligent and thoughtful comment.<br /><br />God bless,<br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-28386850360351154992017-03-26T22:42:12.805-07:002017-03-26T22:42:12.805-07:00Introibo: Thanks for your blog. It is interesting...Introibo: Thanks for your blog. It is interesting that you mentioned Bergoglio's participation in jewish rites. He was photographed participating in them! At the time when this came to light, I remember engaging in a couple of on line debates arguing that his activities made his catholicity extremely doubtful. The reply to me was "you can't read his mind" and my reply was I don't have to! I would say to those people if you saw a person you knew to be a jew reverently participating in Catholic services and then receiving communion what would you conclude? That he had converted! I also remembered Pope St. Agatho's warning: "He who prays with heretics is a heretic". That summed it up for me, and it really has been downhill ever since, hasn't it?<br />-<br />In any case,regarding the SSPX and heresy, I'm sorry to say that they violate the canons of VI regarding the primacy and jurisdiction of the Pope when they allow S&S to argue that a true Pope can be resisted and judged. It is especially egregious regarding the judging aspect of their arguments for their arguments implicitly assume that a subordinate agency of the Church maintains sufficient jurisdiction to try a Pope. It isn't simply untenable to maintain such a position, in view of the canons of VI I would say it is heretical.<br />-<br />I believe the SSPX should be able to figure out they are behaving like neo-Gallicans, but there is no true Pope to shepherd them! Isn't that the nub of the problem? The behavior of the SSPX is a practical example of how important having a true Pope is, isn't it? <br />=<br />It would be very difficult for them to maintain their neo-Gallican positions if there was a true Pope wouldn't it? They would then be in the position of having to decide whether to recant or to call themselves the "new old catholics" or something else! In view of this I agree it isn't our place to make judgments. In fact, as lay people I don't think we are called to do anything more than to hold onto the faith and avoid heretics. The Church is an episcopal institution in its foundation and structure so the root of the problem has to be the lack of faith or cowardice of the hierarchy. As a lay person it simply is beyond my power either to instill the faith in the charlatans or to make the cowards boldly proclaim what they know to be true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-53281530714065537152017-03-26T11:16:42.174-07:002017-03-26T11:16:42.174-07:00WWW.AKACATHOLIC.COM
Mr.Verrechio has seen the ligh...WWW.AKACATHOLIC.COM<br />Mr.Verrechio has seen the light & is rightly denouncing the Novus Ordo,Jorge Bergoglio,and the lukewarm SSPX.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-76070434102853167992017-03-24T15:10:14.372-07:002017-03-24T15:10:14.372-07:00Wish "Traditionalists" would quit callin...Wish "Traditionalists" would quit calling each other heretics. As far as I know not one Traditional group is the end all and be all in the realm of authority. The enemy shouldn't be perceived as any particular Traditionalist group, the enemy is Vatican II and the anti-Popes who have promulgated it. Saying, or recognizing Frances as the Pope isn't going to make him a Pope, he is still an anti-Pope. Just my 2 cents.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-34270374515710253942017-03-24T05:29:57.222-07:002017-03-24T05:29:57.222-07:00Father is a wonderful priest! God bless him! Thank...Father is a wonderful priest! God bless him! Thank you for your kind words. I try to expose the Vatican 2 sect, warn of dangers and try to see our way through these tough times. I lay out all theological possibilities in contentious issues. After all, we must remember that we exist without a pope to make definitive decisions!<br />God Bless<br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-92229614335444012932017-03-24T05:23:22.864-07:002017-03-24T05:23:22.864-07:00The name of the priest I met on Facebook is the Ni...The name of the priest I met on Facebook is the Nigerian priest, Fr. Okechukwu Nkamuke!He introduced me also to Introibo blog with that great writing 'One sin at a time' since then, I read Introibo every Monday! We thank God and beg for more graces.Lord Belishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785608962822151003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-44534036387491731572017-03-24T05:22:03.327-07:002017-03-24T05:22:03.327-07:00Don't jump to conclusions Lord Belish. I will ...Don't jump to conclusions Lord Belish. I will lay out the options in my post of April 3, 2017.<br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-55972728746957124252017-03-24T05:18:51.137-07:002017-03-24T05:18:51.137-07:00From the last submissions of Dr. peter Lamb, and b...From the last submissions of Dr. peter Lamb, and based on the silence of the discussants, We can conclude that SSPX is a heretical organization. Full stop! I have learnt a lot. I thank God for letting me meet a true Catholic priest on Facebook who schooled me on the rudiments of sedevacantism. I believed him because the position is so logical and Catholic! May God shorten this crisis. amenLord Belishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785608962822151003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-70382048898282357962017-03-24T05:13:45.922-07:002017-03-24T05:13:45.922-07:00No argument there Joann!
---Introibo No argument there Joann!<br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-46810690895093349712017-03-24T04:51:00.095-07:002017-03-24T04:51:00.095-07:00I may be off the wall, but my reasoning is since F...I may be off the wall, but my reasoning is since Francis is not Pope, saying he is a Pope isn't going to make him one.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-91517855448599719652017-03-23T16:23:49.897-07:002017-03-23T16:23:49.897-07:00Again, I will partially agree with you. Heresy alm...Again, I will partially agree with you. Heresy almost inevitably follows schism, as with the Eastern Schismatics who are really heretics. However, the SSPX does not deny Vatican 1 (1870). They analogize to St Athanasius. He was in open disobedience to the pope and ordained his own priests. He died excommunicated only to be posthumously cleared of all wrongdoing and infallibility declared a Saint. I'm not defending the SSPX, I'm only pointing out that in these unprecedented times things are not always so simple. That's what we need a pope once more.<br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-36001385850070995902017-03-23T15:24:11.203-07:002017-03-23T15:24:11.203-07:00Denial of any article of the faith is heresy. Obe...Denial of any article of the faith is heresy. Obedience and submission to the Roman Pontiff is de fide. I just quoted Vatican I. The SSPX denies the doctrine of the Pope's universal jurisdiction over all christians. They claim the opposite- that they do NOT have to obey the Roman Pontiff. Their writings confirm this. That's heresy. That's why the Church has taught (I forget where I read it) that heresy and schism are so closely related that you can scarcely have one without the other. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-34209932398314308552017-03-23T03:06:54.481-07:002017-03-23T03:06:54.481-07:00P.S. Come to think of it, by offering the Ultimate...P.S. Come to think of it, by offering the Ultimate Sacrifice una cum/together with/united to heretic bergoglio, the SSPX not only refute the absolute prohibition of Catholics praying in sacris with non-Catholics, they do in fact declare themselves to be modernist heretics also. If one is una cum with an heretic, one logically unites oneself with all that the heretic propounds, promulgates and stands for.Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-17809196072851517822017-03-23T01:09:39.661-07:002017-03-23T01:09:39.661-07:00Dear Anonymous @ 6:45pm, You raise an interesting ...Dear Anonymous @ 6:45pm, You raise an interesting point.<br />"I think its best to hold the sedevacantist position and stay away from anyone proclaiming any new Dogma's or "papal proclamations". <br />I entirely agree. However, the canons are "rules" to guide Catholics in the Faith - from the highest to the most humble layman. We currently have no Pope, in whom the Unity of the Church resides under normal circumstances. When the shepherd is struck, the sheep will scatter. This is our great danger and the reason why Introibo, very wisely, keeps saying "tread carefully."<br /><br />I think your definition of our sede clergy, who operate from supplied jurisdiction, as "...emergency clerics to keep apostolic succession and the true Church alive in a time of emergency." is spot on. Please will you give a citation for what you read?<br /><br />Now to the point. There is no doubt that bergoglio is a pertinacious, notorious heretic.<br />Heresy is a terrible sin. Father Faber says: "The crowning disloyalty to God is heresy. It is the sin of sins, the very loathsomest of things which God looks down upon in this malignant world. Yet how little do we understand of its excessive hatefulness!… “We look at it, and are calm. We touch it and do not shudder. We mix with it, and have no fear. We see it touch holy things, and we have no sense of sacrilege… “Our charity is untruthful because it is not severe; and it is unpersuasive, because it is not truthful… Where there is no hatred of heresy, there is no holiness."<br /><br />Now bear in mind that the highest "authorities" in the SSPX recognised the conciliar church as non-Catholic and bergoglio as a modernist heretic:<br />“The Church which affirms such errors is both schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is therefore not Catholic.” (Abp. Lefebvre, July 29, 1976, Reflections on the Suspension a divinis.)<br />"What Gospel does [Francis] have? Which Bible does he have to say such things. It’s horrible. What has this to do with the Gospel? With the Catholic Faith. That’s pure Modernism, my dear brethen. We have in front of us a genuine Modernist." <br />(Bp. Bernard Fellay, quoted in John Vennari, “Bishop Fellay on Pope Francis”, Catholic Family News, Oct. 14, 2013.)<br /><br />The Psalmist says: "Have I not hated them, O Lord, that hated thee: and pine away because of thy enemies? I have hated them with a perfect hatred: and they are become enemies to me." Psalm 138:22.<br />St. Paul says if even an Angel preaches a new Gospel, let him be anathema!<br /><br />Abettors of heretics suffer the same fate as heretics do. The SSPX know all this and more. Yet they offer Our Lord to His Father in union with ("una cum") a most vile heretic? Is this not the ultimate abetting of heresy? How repugnant their action must be to Our Father!<br /><br />To sin, three things are necessary: Serious matter, full knowldege and consent. The SSPX fulfill all three conditions in their action.<br /><br />So, based on the above and more omitted for brevity and my learning of our Faith, I am strongly inclined to agree with the clerics you mention. I am fully aware of my lowly, layman status, as I'm sure they are of the fact that they operate without ordinary jurisdiction, but when the shepherd is absent, the good sheep can only do their best to stay on the right path. Then they must be guided by previous Magisterium. We must tread carefully, but under our circumstances, we must tread.Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-31011847930524014832017-03-22T18:48:17.398-07:002017-03-22T18:48:17.398-07:00I agree.
---Introibo I agree.<br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-21446187433034278942017-03-22T18:45:39.461-07:002017-03-22T18:45:39.461-07:00Personally,I think its best to hold the sedevacant...Personally,I think its best to hold the sedevacantist position and stay away from anyone proclaiming any new Dogma's or "papal proclamations".<br />Recently read about a group of Sede clerics declaring Una Cum masses "mortal sin"<br />That's wrong,extremely irresponsible,and sinful.<br />These men are not the Pope nor do they hold an office.They're emergency clerics to keep apostolic succession and the true Church alive in a time of emergency.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-16073465045716753242017-03-22T18:11:49.136-07:002017-03-22T18:11:49.136-07:00I partially agree. De facto they cannot be schisma...I partially agree. De facto they cannot be schismatic since there is no pope to refuse obedience and union. They do possess a schismatic mentality in recognizing Frankie, yet refusing to obey him. I'm in basic agreement that it seems hard to avoid the charge of heresy, but we must tread carefully. <br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-45029644568028139352017-03-22T17:59:11.969-07:002017-03-22T17:59:11.969-07:00The SSPX is a schismatic organization because they...The SSPX is a schismatic organization because they do not submit to the living magisterium of the Catholic Church. Heresy follows their schism because in order to justify their schism they must deny doctrines of the Church (e.g., the immediate jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff). From Vatican I:<br /><br />"Wherefore we teach and declare that, by divine ordinance,the Roman church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity,both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals,but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the church throughout the world."<br /><br />The SSPX is not a legitimate Roman Catholic organization. The fact that Rome plays along with the SSPX does not validate them, it only demonstrates the partnership of Rome and the SSPX all along. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-71171920267649173752017-03-22T17:55:07.240-07:002017-03-22T17:55:07.240-07:00You are quite correct. The only question is whethe...You are quite correct. The only question is whether the SSPX and the others of the R&R camp can be called formal heretics for grasping at straws to recognize Bergoglio.<br /><br />---Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.com