tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post7736497326951267374..comments2024-03-26T19:23:49.755-07:00Comments on Introibo Ad Altare Dei: Look Who's TalkingIntroibo Ad Altare Deihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-7916051763595239982019-04-27T16:50:44.708-07:002019-04-27T16:50:44.708-07:00Joann,
Good observation!
—-Introibo Joann,<br />Good observation!<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-63241805708228050242019-04-27T15:53:50.700-07:002019-04-27T15:53:50.700-07:00The Assisi abominations did nothing for the R&...The Assisi abominations did nothing for the R&R to wake up regarding their “Popes”. A lot of pew sitters in the NO are uninformed and clueless about Assisi, etc., but the R&R sure are not!! <br /><br />JoAnn<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-625132653935096772019-04-27T15:39:38.941-07:002019-04-27T15:39:38.941-07:00Andrew,
Happy Easter my friend! I agree that if th...Andrew,<br />Happy Easter my friend! I agree that if the Assisi abominations did nothing to make people leave the Vatican II sect in droves, it can only be done by the special grace of God.<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-53963999240974471572019-04-27T14:41:48.076-07:002019-04-27T14:41:48.076-07:00If the 4 separate Assisi events didn't wake up...If the 4 separate Assisi events didn't wake up the Novus Ordo pewsitters,I'm afraid nothing will outside of a special grace from OUR BLESSED LORD.<br />-Andrew<br />Happy Easter Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-74116095872542124582019-04-24T04:03:25.267-07:002019-04-24T04:03:25.267-07:00Joann,
You hit the nail on the head! The V2 sect i...Joann,<br />You hit the nail on the head! The V2 sect is “of the world” and not of God!<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-54679375375859504002019-04-24T00:08:19.780-07:002019-04-24T00:08:19.780-07:00"The Church must enter into the dialogue with..."The Church must enter into the dialogue with the world in which it lives. It has something to say, a message to give, a communication to make". Since "Satan is the God of this world", why would anyone want to dialogue with the world, unless they were of the world? <br /><br />JoAnn<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-9616311162131237752019-04-23T15:05:50.436-07:002019-04-23T15:05:50.436-07:00Very astute observation Barbara. Too bad the V2 se...Very astute observation Barbara. Too bad the V2 sect doesn’t emulate His example. They’re successors of Judas.<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-26191744966544196232019-04-23T13:31:52.401-07:002019-04-23T13:31:52.401-07:00We saw examples during Holy Week of how Our Lord d...We saw examples during Holy Week of how Our Lord dialogued with the unbelievers of His time. Of course, He could see into everyone's heart and knew if the questioner's motives were good or bad. And sometimes His response was silence.Barbarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02110277327935279510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-11074650470417551682019-04-23T12:15:29.317-07:002019-04-23T12:15:29.317-07:00@anon10:36
You make good sense. Yes, a Traditional...@anon10:36<br />You make good sense. Yes, a Traditionalist priest could be consulted since there is no bishop with Ordinary jurisdiction. I wrote “bishop” because they are usually (but not always) clerics with good knowledge and high morals. You are correct that some priests outshine the bishops, and I am modifying my response accordingly—seek the advice of a learned and holy Traditionalist bishop OR priest. <br /><br />@anon10:56<br />That is an excellent quote from one of the holiest pontiffs the Church has ever known. We would all do well to remember it and live by it!<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-71299511071308899032019-04-23T10:56:16.639-07:002019-04-23T10:56:16.639-07:00You make very much sense in what you say. Thank yo...You make very much sense in what you say. Thank you for the advice. While I am no theologian I try to think of what Pope St. Pius X said about lay Catholic Action in 1905 from IL FERMO PROPOSITO "8. All these works, sustained and promoted chiefly by lay Catholics and whose form varies according to the needs of each country, constitute what is generally known by a distinctive and surely a very noble name: "Catholic Action," or the "Action of Catholics." At all times it came to the aid of the Church, and the Church has always cherished and blessed such help, using it in many ways according to the exigencies of the age... Therefore, all who are called upon to direct or dedicate themselves to the Catholic cause, must be sound Catholics, firm in faith, solidly instructed in religious matters, truly submissive to the Church and especially to this supreme Apostolic See and the Vicar of Jesus Christ. They must be men of real piety, of manly virtue, and of a life so chaste and fearless that they will be a guiding example to all others. If they are not so formed it will be difficult to arouse others to do good and practically impossible to act with a good intention. The strength needed to persevere in continually bearing the weariness of every true apostolate will fail. The calumnies of enemies, the coldness and frightfully little cooperation of even good men, sometimes even the jealousy of friends and fellow workers (excusable, undoubtedly, on account of the weakness of human nature, but also harmful and a cause of discord, offense and quarrels)—all these will weaken the apostle who lacks divine grace."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-51197478446888313592019-04-23T10:36:27.900-07:002019-04-23T10:36:27.900-07:00Why restrict to seeking advice from a traditional ...Why restrict to seeking advice from a traditional bishop? It's not as if there aren't many traditional priests who are more learned than many of the traditional bishops. Wouldn't consulting any trusted traditional cleric do? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-31735594203061022972019-04-23T10:08:17.296-07:002019-04-23T10:08:17.296-07:00You bring out some great observations. The intent ...You bring out some great observations. The intent of the Canon I cited was to prevent “armchair theologians” from public debates with Protestants who were taught how to misuse the Bible to denigrate the Church. The result would be a public discussion that would drive people away from the Church and make the heretics complacent in their errors. <br /><br />The purpose in getting permission would be twofold: <br />1. Is the layman qualified?<br />2. Is there any danger of communicatio in sacris( praying with heretics, not for them—a mortal sin).<br /><br />Please remember that in 1917 there was no dearth of qualified clerics to do the debating. Priests would be sent who were approved theologians (or had at least a licentiate). Non-Catholics usually refused to debate such clerics, as they understood theology better than they did in most cases. <br /><br />Today, it would be prudent to seek the advice of a Traditionalist bishop, even though they have no Ordinary jurisdiction. Such debates must be truly necessary (not just a “hobby” or amusement), and there must be no danger of indifferentism. <br /><br />Since the requirements of the Canon cannot be fulfilled as stated, only grave necessity would allow it (e.g. to defend the honor of the Church if challenged). and not merely an interest someone pursues.<br /><br />God Bless,<br /><br />—-Introibo Introibo Ad Altare Deihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377479441601352059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6466183320330735196.post-53036754639130411042019-04-23T08:37:16.807-07:002019-04-23T08:37:16.807-07:00Interesting, but I'm confused when you quote T...Interesting, but I'm confused when you quote The 1917 Code of Canon Law Canon 1325, section 3 that "Catholics must guard against participating in debates and conferences with non-Catholics, especially public ones, without the permission of the Holy See or, in an urgent case, of the local Ordinary."<br /><br />Does this mean that even today laypeople like you and I need to get permission from a bishop (sede traditional) if we want to debate a non Catholic in public or have a get together where the intention is to convert non Catholics? <br /><br />Of course I'm not for dialogue in the Vatican II sense, but I am for trying to help with converting those to the truth of the Catholic Faith. If for some reason I believe the other person (the non-Catholic) may be a little more learned than myself would it be wrong to get a lay person who I think could take him on and possibly win him over or would I need permission from the Church? <br /><br />I'm asking this because as much as it sounds reasonable for that time period for permission, it's almost like the liberal modernists clergy used that to their advantage to bring about Vatican II and all its changes if lay people really don't amount to much. When not enough lay people stand up and fight against error we see what happen as we did with the Novus Ordo. In other words I'm against recognition and resistance R&R (SSPX, and home aloners who resist everything etc.) and am totally for real obedience, but I'm wondering is their a distinction that is missing and can you point that out? Thanks Introibo Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com