Monday, August 25, 2025

Dimondites

 

Feeneyites is the name given to those who deny the dogma of Baptism of Desire (BOD) and Baptism of Blood (BOB). They derive their name from the excommunicated Jesuit, Leonard Feeney (1897-1978). Feeney was surrounded by Modernists who gave a heretical meaning to BOD. According to them, every (or almost every) non-Catholic who died was in good faith and was saved by BOD. This was never the teaching of the Church.

In response, instead of giving a clear exposition of BOD and BOB, Feeney went to the heretical opposite error of denying they could save anyone, and taught that only the sacrament of baptism ("water baptism") could save someone. In 1953, Pope Pius XII solemnly excommunicated Feeney for heresy (not "disobedience" as his followers falsely declare).  Feeney claimed BOD confers sanctifying grace yet you cannot enter Heaven until water baptism. In other words, you can have sanctifying grace, but die and go to Hell unless you receive Baptism by water! A person in sanctifying grace is a child of God with the indwelling of the Holy Ghost in his soul. How could such a person go to Hell? They can't. 
Modern day Feeneites realize the illogical position and "improve" on it by claiming BOD does not justify. 

As with most heretics, the errors rarely stop at just one point of departure from the One True Faith. In Bread of Life, pgs. 97-98, Fr. Feeney writes these most disconcerting words, "I think baptism makes you the son of God. I do not think it makes you the child of Mary. I think the Holy Eucharist makes you a child of Mary. What happens to those children who die between baptism and the Holy Eucharist?...They go to the Beatific Vision. They are in the Kingdom of Mary, but they are not the children of Mary. Mary is their Queen, but not their Mother. They are like little angels. There was a strong tradition in the Church that always spoke of them as 'those angels who died in infancy.' They have the Beatific Vision, and they see the great Queen, but not move in as part of the Mystical Body of Christ...I say: If a child dies after having received baptism, he dies the son of God, but not yet as the child of Mary..."

Baptism makes you part of the One True Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, yet Feeney talks of infants who die after baptism as not moving in Heaven as "part of the Mystical Body of Christ"? They are not true Catholics? Isn't Feeney contradicting his so-called "strict interpretation" of "Outside the Church no salvation"? The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of Christ, the Invisible Head of the Church, and by extension, to each member of His Mystical Body. How dare Feeney call baptized infants who die before First Communion as "not a child of Mary." Note well he never cites to even one approved theologian, canonist, Encyclical, or other authoritative Church declaration in support of his novel ideas--and with good reason: there aren't any. More heresy.

I could go on about Feeney's creation of a cult consisting of "married nuns" and "married brothers" who raised their children "communally," contrary to both Divine Positive and Natural Law. However, my point has been made that from one heresy, more inevitably follow. Since Feeney began the crusade against Church teaching on BOD and BOB, his followers are rightfully called Feeneyites, as they are not Catholic; just as Lutherans are named after the heretical excommunicated priest they follow. 

(To read more about Leonard Feeney, please see my post "A Sickness Of Soul;"introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2020/03/a-sickness-of-soul.html)

However, most (not all) Feeneyites today were introduced to the heresy by Fred and Bobby Dimond of "Most Holy Family Monastery" here in New York State. They claim to be "Benedictine brothers" and have followers who are nothing short of fanatical.  (My favorite definition of a "fanatic:" one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject). The followers mimic what Fred and Bobby say, write, and they adopt all their views in addition to the rejection of BOD and BOB. It is these other views which shall be the subject of my post. As I already stated above, heresy rarely stops at one point of departure with the Church. Fred, Bobby, and their followers all display a "sickness of soul" endemic among Feeneyites, as my friend Steve Speray once wrote. Perhaps it's time to give these Feeneyites a new moniker---Dimondites

The (Very Unimpressive) CV of Fred and Bobby Dimond
One would think that with so many fanatical followers, Fred and Bobby must have outstanding credentials. Nothing could be further from the truth. Before you entrust the care of your immortal soul to Fred and Bobby Dimond, here are the facts about them I have published in the past. They:
  • Claim to be Benedictines, yet are sedevacantists. Having been born in the 1970s, they could not be members of the Traditional Benedictines, so they either are "self-appointed" or were made such by someone in the Vatican II sect they claim to abhor. 
  • Have no education beyond high school, and possess no formal ecclesiastical training or degrees, yet pontificate on every topic and "damn to Hell" anyone who disagrees
  • Claim to understand Church teaching on BOD better than Doctors of the Church, such as St. Alphonsus Liguori
  • Have spread the Feeneyite heresy denying Baptism of Desire (BOD) and Baptism of Blood (BOB) as forcefully as possible, and have made an excommunicated Jesuit, reconciled to the Modernist Vatican and holding to many strange ideas and practices ( Leonard Feeney), an ersatz "hero." They never mention the cult he founded and the children he abused
  • Have an unhealthy fascination with UFOs, and material that's fit to be published in supermarket tabloids

They are not exactly "theological giants," and were it not for gullible followers donating to them, they would probably be working the cash register at McDonald's (provided they didn't tell all the customers they're going to Hell). Now let's dive into their strange teachings on matters besides denial of BOD and BOB.

You Can Know With Certainty Who is in Hell
There's an old aphorism, "A proof-text without context is a pretext." If you take something out of the context in which it was written and hold it up as "proof" for a preconceived notion, you're not interested in the Truth, just validating your point; "My mind is made up, so don't bother me with the facts." This is the hallmark of Fred and Bobby Dimond. In their article Catholics May Not Pray For Deceased Non-Catholics, Fred and Bobby contort Church teaching. They begin with this general statement:

It’s a dogma that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  All who die as non-Catholics go to Hell.  Therefore, prayers may not be offered for people who die as non-Catholics.  If a person was a non-Catholic or a heretic during life, unless there is evidence of a conversion to the true faith in the external forum, the person is considered to have died as he or she lived (i.e. as a non-Catholic and outside the Church).  Therefore prayers may not be offered for a person who, based on the last available evidence, was a non-Catholic or a heretic on the hope that there was a conversion in that person’s final days.  Prayers may only be offered for people who die with the true faith.  Here are some quotes that reiterate the Church’s teaching that Catholics may not pray for (or consider among the faithful departed) those who die as non-Catholics or without the true faith. (See http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/catholics-may-not-pray-deceased-non-catholics/#.WYvioNQrKt_).

It is true that there is no salvation outside the One True Church and all non-Traditionalist Catholics who die as such go to Hell. The rest is woefully wrong. They claim that unless there is evidence that the person converted, prayers may not be offered in the hope that there was a conversion in the person's final days.

Let's see what the Church has to say:

1. 1917 Code of Canon Law 
Canon 1240 speaks to the types of persons to be denied ecclesiastical burial. They include Masons, excommunicates, those who committed suicide, those who live as public and notorious sinners, etc. However, Canon 1241 says a person deprived of Christian burial "shall also be denied any funeral Mass, even an anniversary Mass, as well as all other public funeral services. Priests may say Mass privately for him and the faithful may pray for him. (See canonists Abbo and Hannon, The Sacred Canons, 2: 495-497; Emphasis mine). Obviously the Church does not give up hope in a last minute repentance/conversion, but Fred and Bobby do.

2. Theologian O'Connell
"So far as the dead are concerned, the Exequial Mass and Anniversary Mass (or other public funeral offices)may not be offered for a person to whom ecclesiastical burial had been denied...It is not, however, forbidden to offer a Mass privately for such persons." (See The Celebration of Mass, The Bruce Publishing Company, Milwaukee [1941], pg. 45; Emphasis mine).

3. Theologian Szal
"But if he [a schismatic] gave no signs of repentance, then Mass can still be said for him, but only privately and in the absence of scandal." (See The Communication of Catholics with Schismatics, CUA Press, [1948], pg. 181; Emphasis mine).

What proof did the Dimond brothers give for claiming Catholics can't pray for deceased non-Catholics? A quote from St. Thomas Aquinas, "St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Suppl. Q. 71, A. 5. “Gregory says (Moralia xxxiv): There is the same reason for not praying then (namely after the judgment day) for men condemned to everlasting fire, as there is now for not praying for the devil and his angels who are sentenced to eternal punishment, and for this reason the saints do not pray for dead unbelieving and wicked men, because, forsooth, knowing them to be already condemned to eternal punishment, they shrink from pleading for them by the merit of their prayers…” Yes, THE SAINTS do not pray for dead and unbelieving men because they know for certain who they are, and we do not (except for Judas Iscariot, for the Catechism of the Council of Trent teaches, "...but the priesthood brings to them [i.e., evil clerics] in its train the same rewards the Apostleship brought to Judas--eternal perdition." pg. 213).

The other quotes from, e.g., Pope Gregory the Great, clearly mean prayers are not offered for non-Catholics publicly, because no one but God knows what happens between Him and a soul prior to death except by special revelation. We know the canonized saints are in Heaven; that is an infallible decree. We know Judas is in Hell. We know the Antichrist and the false prophet will go to Hell. For everyone else, we may hope they were saved by God in the last moments of life, being brought into the Church infused with faith and sanctifying grace, because nothing is impossible with God. Prayers said for them, if they did not convert, are not "wasted;" they will be used by God for another poor soul--the same as prayers for someone whom is now (unknown to us) in Heaven are never "wasted."

This also puts Fred and Bobby in a conundrum. The Code of Canon Law is infallible, but even if it were not, they have a difficult choice to make. The pope cannot teach heresy, even non-infallibly
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(See my post introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2025/05/can-true-pope-teach-heresy.html).

 If Pope Benedict XV promulgated heresy in Canon Law (Canon 1241), then he could not be a true pope. According to Doctor of the Church St. Alphonsus Liguori, "If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate." (See Verita della Fede, Pt. III, Ch. VIII, 9-10). Therefore, if praying for the dead who died outside the Church in the external forum is heresy, Pope Benedict XV was not a true pope. If he was a true pope, then Canon 1241 is not heretical, and the Dimond's teaching collapses. Which is it, Fred and Bobby? 

Calling Mary "Co-Redemptrix" is Heretical
The Dimonds do not state that calling Mary Co-Redemptix is heresy in the article found here: vaticancatholic.com/mary-co-redeemer-co-redemptrix. 

However, that is the logical and necessary conclusion one must draw if the teaching and title derogates from the infallible teaching that Christ alone redeemed us. Thankfully, it does not contradict any dogma. It has not been defined that Mary is Co-Redemptrix, but there are many and weighty arguments for the privilege and title when rightfully understood. 

The Dimond brothers attack those who wish to honor Our Lady with the title Co-Redemptrix as heretics-in-fact because it (allegedly) contradicts the infallible teaching of the Council of Trent. They write:

 Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, Sess. 25, On Invocation, Veneration and Relics of Saints, and on Sacred Images, ex cathedra: “…the saints, who reign with Christ, offer up their prayers to God for me; and that it is good and useful to invoke them suppliantly and, in order to obtain favors from God through His Son JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, WHO ALONE IS OUR REDEEMER and Savior….But if anyone should teach or maintain anything contrary to these decrees, let him be anathema.” (Denz. 984-987) (Emphasis in original).

What the Diamonds, in their duplicity, choose to omit are the following words between the ellipsis, "and that they think impiously who deny that the saints who enjoy eternal happiness in heaven are to be invoked, or who assert that they do not pray for men, or that our invocation of them to pray for each of us individually is idolatry, or that it is opposed to the word of God and inconsistent with the honor of the one mediator of God and men, Jesus Christ...(Emphasis mine). It's clear that Trent was condemning the Protestants who think that because there is ONE MEDIATOR (not two or more--See 1 Timothy 2: 5-6), that saints are not to be invoked and cannot pray and intercede for us without derogating from the one Mediator, Jesus Christ. The Dimonds have no problem calling Our Lady Mediatrix, with no fear of minimizing Our Lord's unique role as the one Mediator. Likewise, Trent was not defining Christ to be the only Savior so as to exclude the possibility of Our Lady having a secondary and subordinate role in redemption. Just as Mary has a role in dispensing all grace (subordinate to and united with Her Divine Son) so as to merit the title Mediatrix without dishonoring or denying Her Son as the one and only Mediator, the title Co-Redemptrix would be given in the same manner.  So much for their contorting the meaning of Trent, just as they do in regards to its decrees on Baptism and the sacraments.

Also of note, Fred and Bobby cite to Doctor of the Church St. Robert Bellarmine, and theologian Pohle in favor of their position. Isn't it interesting that approved theologians are only cited when Fred and Bobby seem to agree with them? (I say "seem to" because neither Bellarmine or Pohle thought the title/privilege contradicted Church dogma). Otherwise, citing to theologians is useless "because they are not infallible." Can you say "hypocrite"? But I digress.

What about the theologians and popes who spoke of Mary as having a role with Her Divine Son in the redemption of humanity? According to MHFM, There are a few non-infallible quotations that people bring forward to attempt to show that Mary is Co-Redemptrix.  The answer is that they are not infallible and they are simply wrong.  They cannot be defended. Yet if it contradicts dogma, it is heretical, and Fred and Bobby have another conundrum.

  •  Pope Benedict XV, in his Apostolic Letter Inter Sodalicia (March 22, 1918), wrote, "To such extent did she (Mary) suffer and almost die with her suffering and dying Son, and to such extent did she surrender her maternal rights over her Son for man's salvation, and immolated Him, insofar as she could, in order to appease the justice of God, that we may rightly say that she redeemed the human race together with Christ."
  •  Pope Pius XI called Our Lady Co-Redemptrix at least six (6) times. In the radio broadcast to the world at the solemn closing of the Jubilee Year which commemorated the Redemption of humanity (April 29, 1935) he prayed, "O Mother of piety and mercy who, when Thy most beloved Son was accomplishing the Redemption of the human race on the altar of the cross, didst stand there both suffering with Him and as a Co-Redemptrix; preserve us we beseech thee, and increase day by day, the precious fruit of His Redemption and of thy compassion."
  • Pope Pius XII, in his encyclical Ad Coeli Reginam (October 11, 1954) distinguishes Mary's role in the Redemption from her role as Mediatrix of All Grace. 
  • On November 26, 1951, the entire Cuban hierarchy petitioned Pope Pius XII for a dogmatic definition of Mary as Co-Redemptrix. An entire nation of bishops felt that it could and should be defined.
If calling Mary Co-Redemptrix goes against dogma, it means Pope Benedict XV, Pope Pius XI, and Pope Pius XII were all false popes. According to Doctor of the Church St. Alphonsus Liguori, "If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate." (See Verita della Fede, Pt. III, Ch. VIII, 9-10). 

When the Church has not settled a question and leaves it open to discussion among the theologians, Traditionalist Catholics are free to accept any answer the theologians offer as long as it is not censured by the Magisterium. Such is the case on whether the title Co-Redemptrix properly belongs to Mary. The strongest (and most numerous) arguments come down on the side favoring Mary as Co-Redemptrix. Theologian Pohle's objections are more about the fear of misunderstandings that could derogate from Christ's unique salvific role, not a condemnation of the correct understanding of Mary's role in redemption.

Now that Fred and Bobby will cite theologians that suit them, let's move on to the next whacky teaching.

Modernist Theologians were Receiving Imprimaturs Before Vatican II
Besides claiming, "theologians are not infallible" followers of the Dimonds like to intone that the Modernist takeover of the Church "couldn't have just happened" in the 1960s, and will trace it back to the late 19th century. Besides, they argue, bishops and censors couldn't review all theological books, and Imprimaturs were being given out which should not have been. Hence, you cannot cite any approved theologians without them being called "Modernists." All are unreliable and full of error. 

First, let it be noted that not all approved theologians hold the same degree of authority. Doctors of the Church, have all their writings examined in the most minute detail for anything that might go against Church teaching, or even be perceived as such. The pope, exercising his full Apostolic Authority after the long investigation, declares the theologian a Doctor of the Church based on (a) the excellence of his teachings and (b) his unwavering orthodoxy on every point of theology. 

For example, the Sacred Penitentiary, in answer to a query of the Archbishop of Besancon, and dated July 5, 1831 (under Pope Gregory XVI) had this to say:

Question: May a professor of sacred theology safely hold and teach the opinions that Blessed Alphonsus Ligouri teaches in his moral theology?

Response of the Sacred Penitentiary: Yes, yet those who follow the opinions handed down by other approved authors should not be considered blameworthy. 
(The answer was approved by His Holiness on July 21, 1831).

Here's one of St. Alphonsus' teachings:
It is de fide that men may be also be saved through baptism of desire — from the chapter Apostolicam, de presb. non bapt. and from the Council of Trent, where it is said that no one can be saved ‘without the washing of regeneration or the desire for it’.(See Theologia Moralis, [1909] 3:96-7). 

Yet, Fred and Bobby say that St. Alphonsus "made a mistake." Apparently so did all the theologians who examined his works for years checking it for the slightest error, and Pope Gregory XVI who gave final approval and declared him a Doctor of the Church. The theologians at the Sacred Penitentiary also gave a wrong answer about his works, and Pope Gregory made another "mistake" in approving it. 

Moreover, the Sacred Penitentiary says opinions of other "approved authors" may be used. The term "author" used to describe a theologian, denotes the very best of the best--short of being a Doctor of the Church. These authors have, in addition to all the basic requirements to be a theologian, a full professorship at a Pontifical University, authorship of  a multi-volume manual in dogmatic or moral theology that is considered an outstanding contribution in its field, and  have it used in seminaries and universities throughout the world. The Church uses these authors to form Her priests, and their works are inspected by the hierarchy the world over (including the Roman Pontiff) to check that there are no errors. 

Therefore, while a theologian who just wrote one or two papers for a theology journal might "slip under the radar," there is no chance of an author being a Modernist writer disseminating heresy. While it is true that individual theologians are not infallible, theologians as a corporate body are protected from error, as they are part of the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium (UOM). The extraordinary Magisterium declared the UOM to be equally infallible during the Vatican Council of 1870. 

Theologian Scheeben teaches, Although the assistance of the Holy Ghost is not directly promised to theologians, nevertheless the assistance promised to the Church requires that He should prevent them as a body from falling into error; otherwise the Faithful who follow them would all be lead astray. The consent of the theologians implies the consent of the Episcopate, according to St. Augustine's dictum, 'Not to resist an error is to approve of it---not to defend a truth is to reject it.' 
(A Manual of Catholic Theology, pg. 83; Emphasis mine). 

The followers of Fred and Bobby will say, "You are using a Modernist theologian to prove theologians are not Modernist." The objection fails miserably. Scheeben was an author of the highest caliber and his works were endorsed and promoted by Pope Pius XI himself:

MATTHIAS JOSEPH SCHEEBEN (1835–1888) was a German priest and scholar whose theology points to the inner coherence of the Christian faith and its supernatural mysteries. Notable in his own time, Scheeben later received praise from Pope Pius XI, who in 1935 encouraged study of the late theologian’s works, reflecting: “The entire theology of Scheeben bears the stamp of a pious ascetical theology.” 

Carl Feckes, Scheeben's successor at the Cologne seminary, named him "the greatest Mariologist of our time." 
(See philpapers.org/rec/KOOOSP-3#:~:text=In%201935%2C%20during%20the%20centenary,much%20praised%2C%20but%20seldom%20read; and See also stpaulcenter.com/emmaus-academic/handbook-of-catholic-dogmatics-3; Emphasis mine)

If Scheeben was a Modernist heretic spreading error, and Pope Pius XI encouraged the study of those works, Pius would be spreading Modernist heresy and  be himself a heretic. According to Doctor of the Church St. Alphonsus Liguori, "If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate." (See Verita della Fede, Pt. III, Ch. VIII, 9-10). 

Finally, Fred and Bobby (with no ecclesiastical education and training, and whose highest level of secular education is high school), found errors in the works of an approved author!  In an article entitled, The Revealing Heresies in Msgr. Van Noort's Pre-Vatican II Dogmatic Theology Manual, the theologian is attacked for his position on (what else?) "Outside the Church No Salvation." 
(See https://vaticancatholic.com/revealing-heresies-msgr-van-noorts-dogmatic-theology-manual/)

The flawed Dimonds write, Many supporters of BOD actually argue and believe that theology manuals and texts, if they were produced by ‘approved’ priests and/or bishops in ‘good standing’ prior to Vatican II, are necessarily safe or reflective of sound Catholic teaching.  They are quite wrong.  They don’t understand what the Magisterium is and what it is not, when it is exercised and when it is not.  Unless a theology manual is simply repeating what the Magisterium has already taught, the conclusions found in it are not protected or guaranteed by the Magisterium.  Moreover, the power of the Magisterium is not exercised when such works are approved by bishops, or even by popes in a non-solemn or universal way. Their proof? Their own ipse dixit since they reject the UOM. It has been amply demonstrated that Fred and Bobby are the ones who  don’t understand what the Magisterium is and what it is not, when it is exercised and when it is not. 

Their attack on theologian Van Noort:
VAN NOORT REJECTS AND REDEFINES THE TWO RELATED DOGMAS: 1) OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION AND 2) WITHOUT THE CATHOLIC FAITH THERE IS NO SALVATION

Monsignor G. Van Noort, S.T.D., Dogmatic Theology, Volume II, Christ's Church, p. 265: “From the matter previously discussed, it should be relatively easy both to explain and to defend that slogan – often misunderstood and bitterly complained against by non-Catholics – which the fathers of the Church and the Church itself take as an axiom: ‘outside the Roman Catholic Church there is no salvation.’  The axiom should be strictly understood as referring to actual union with the visible Church; but its full and correct meaning is: anyone who by his own fault lives and dies outside the Church will definitely be damned.  That the axiom is understood by the Church only with that qualification is obvious from its clear teaching that no one will go to hell without serious guilt on his part.”

Here Van Noort states that the solemnly defined dogma, Outside the Church There is No Salvation, should be understood to mean that only someone who is outside the Church “by his own fault” cannot be saved.  That is heresy and modernism.  The dogma Outside the Church There is No Salvation does not teach that only someone who is outside the Church “by his own fault” will not be saved.  Rather, it teaches that all who die outside the Church are not saved, and that all who die without the Catholic faith are not saved.  The Church has proclaimed this dogma from the Chair of St. Peter approximately seven different times.  The formulation is always the same.  Not once did the Church define that only someone outside the Church “by his own fault” cannot be saved, as Van Noort declares.

What MHFM omits is Van Noort's citation to Pope Pius IX: There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments. (Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, #7). 

MHFM tries to brush off Pope Pius IX by stating: The notion that all the dogmatic definitions on this matter [EENS] should be set aside, and that the entire issue hinges on non-universal, non-infallible (and misinterpreted) statements of Pope Pius IX, is absurd. There is no misinterpretation; Pope Pius IX made it clear that those who are invincibly ignorant, live honest lives by following the natural law, and ready to obey God can be saved --not by water baptism--but by "divine light and grace." God can enlighten their minds and infuse sanctifying grace bringing them within the Church before death. Moreover, all theologians interpreted his statements as saying such and he did nothing to stop them. Nor did Popes Leo XIII, St. Pius X, Benedict XV, Pius XI and Pius XII.  Therefore, we have a Church that cannot teach according to the Dimonds. No one understood the real meaning (not even Pius IX himself and the five popes who followed). 

Van Noort even explains with two reasons why the words "by his own fault" are not usually explicitly added:

First, because the axiom is a penal sentence, and the notion of penalty by its very nature presupposes guilt. Secondly, because the axiom helps to inculcate the truth that by the ordinary decrees of God's Providence only the Church can lead one to salvation and consequently that anyone who is outside the Church, no matter how he got there, is there where salvation is per se unobtainable. (pg. 266). This was conveniently omitted by the heretics of MHFM. 

Theologian Salaverri explains this truth of being outside the Church "by one's own fault" thus: But adults because of their full use of reason, who have died without Baptism and lacking at least an implicit desire of belonging to the Church, in the present order of grace, de facto, are lacking such a desire not without their own fault and are damned, as Pius IX taught. For according to the teaching of St. Thomas [Aquinas]: "This pertains to divine providence that He gives to each one the things necessary to salvation, provided on his part he does not place an obstacle. For if someone, raised in a forest or among brute animals, were to follow the lead of natural reason in the search for good and flight from evil, it must be held for certain either that God will reveal to him by an internal revelation the things necessary to believe or will send to him a preacher of the faith, as He sent Peter to Cornelius" (Acts 10). (See Sacrae Theologiae Summa IB, [1955], pg. 451; Emphasis mine). 

Van Noort neither rejects nor distorts/redefines "Outside the Church There is No Salvation." As to the charge Van Noort rejects the Catholic faith for "supernatural" faith, it is without merit. The Dimonds criticize those like Bp. Sanborn and the late Fr. Cekada's position on ‘supernatural’ faith denies the dogma that ‘Catholic’ faith is what’s absolutely necessary for salvation. Pure ignorance from the Dimonds. The Catholic Faith alone has the property of supernaturality. According to theologian Rivas, The act of faith is supernatural...The Pelagians, by denying internal grace for salvific acts, thereby deny the supernaturality of the Act of Faith. (See Sacrae Theologiae Summa IIB, pg. 303). The only act of faith that is supernatural is an act of Catholic Faith, for faith comes from God.

Suffice it to say, the Dimonds are clueless and Van Noort is brilliantly Catholic! I will not address all the other alleged heresies of Van Noort, as it is clear his opponents don't understand the topics upon which they write.

I will end this section with the most impressive CV of author Van Noort:

Gerard Van Noort (1861-1946) studied at Hageveld and Warmond. Following his ordination in 1884, he served as chaplain in Medemblik and Amsterdam. From 1892 to 1908 he was professor of dogmatic theology at the seminary of Warmond, and it was here that he completed his ten-volume manual of dogmatic theology, Tractatus apologetici et dogmatici (Leyden 1898–1908). It is a model of clarity and conciseness, with a judicious blend of positive and speculative theology. It is in use all over the world, and has gone through several editions. In 1908 Van Noort left seminary work to become a pastor in Amsterdam, and in 1926 he was named a canon in the cathedral chapter of Haarlem. He received a Roman doctorate honoris causa [papal approval] in 1930 and in 1934 Pius XI appointed him a domestic prelate. 
(See encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/van-noort-gerard). 

Nevertheless, no one found errors in Van Noort until Fred and Bobby looked it over. If that wasn't such a sad statement, it would be funny. 

Married Couples Must Have as Many Children as Physically Possible
Yes, Fred and Bobby think that to make use of the infertile period (sometimes called "Natural Family Planning" but which, more correctly, I shall deem "periodic abstinence" [PA]) by married couples is sinful contraception. The question I shall now address:

Is Periodic Continence The Same As Artificial Contraception and Thereby Evil?

Periodic Abstinence (or "PA" as above) is the practice of purposefully limiting the marital act to sterile periods. Feeneyites, and others who hold to the absurd idea that PA is the moral equivalent of contraception, fail to make various distinctions. First and foremost, they reject the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium (UOM). The unanimous teachings of the approved theologians is to be discarded, and only private interpretations of ex cathedra statements is to be believed. They fall under the condemnation of Pope Pius IX in the Syllabus of Errors:

CONDEMNED PROPOSITION #22:The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church.

The UOM is equally infallible to the Extraordinary Magisterium. Nevertheless, we are bound in conscience to believe e.g., teachings of papal encyclicals, decrees of Roman Congregations, etc., with reverential acceptance. Pope Pius IX taught in Tuas Libenter :

"But, since it is a matter of that subjection by which in conscience all those Catholics are bound who work in the speculative sciences, in order that they may bring new advantage to the Church by their writings, on that account, then, the men of that same convention should realize that it is not sufficient for learned Catholics to accept and revere the aforesaid dogmas of the Church, but that it is also necessary to subject themselves to the decisions pertaining to doctrine which are issued by the Pontifical Congregations, and also to those forms of doctrine which are held by the common and constant consent of Catholics as theological truths and conclusions, so certain that opinions opposed to these same forms of doctrine, although they cannot be called heretical, nevertheless deserve some theological censure."

The Church has always held artificial contraception to be intrinsically evil. Pope Pius XI in Casti Connubii:
"But no reason, however grave, may be put forward by which anything intrinsically against nature may become conformable to nature and morally good. Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it deliberately frustrate its natural power and purpose sin against nature and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious." (para. #54; Emphasis mine).

The dogma of the Indefectibility of the Church guarantees that the Church cannot give to Her members that which is evil or erroneous. Hence, if PA was equivalent to artificial contraception, it would indeed be against both the Natural Law and Divine Positive Law. The Church would be incapable of sanctioning PA if it were intrinsically evil. Yet, as will be shown below, the Church has sanctioned PA, therefore it is not the equivalent of artificial contraception, nor in any sense "intrinsically evil."

1. Three Times the Holy Office of the Sacred Penitentiary Approved PA
The Sacred Penitentiary, the official Church body that decides definitively questions of morality, especially as they pertain to the sacrament of Penance, rendered three decisions on PA under three different popes.

March 2, 1853. During the reign of Pope Pius IX, the Sacred Penitentiary was asked, "Should those spouses be reprehended who make use of marriage only on those days when (in the opinion of some doctors) conception is impossible?"

Reply of the Sacred Penitentiary: "After mature examination, we have decided that such spouses should not be disturbed [or disquieted], provided they do nothing that impedes generation."

This gives the lie to the Feeneyite who claimed Pope Pius IX condemned PA.

June 16, 1880. During the reign of Pope Leo XIII, two pertinent questions were submitted to the Sacred Penitentiary:
1. Whether married couples may have intercourse during such sterile periods without committing mortal or venial sin?
2. Whether the confessor may suggest such a procedure either to the wife who detests the onanism (i.e., "withdrawal") of her husband but cannot correct him; or to either spouse who shrinks from having numerous children?

Reply of the Sacred Penitentiary: "Married couples who use their marriage right in the aforesaid manner are not to be disturbed, and the confessor may suggest the opinion in question, cautiously however, to those married people whom he has tried in vain by other means to dissuade from the detestable crime of onanism."

June 20, 1932. Under Pope Pius XI, the Sacred Penitentiary was asked, "Whether the practice is licit in itself by which spouses who, for just and grave causes, wish to avoid offspring in a morally upright way, abstain from the use of marriage – by mutual consent and with upright motives – except on those days which, according to certain recent [medical] theories, conception is impossible for natural reasons."

Reply of the Sacred Penitentiary: "Provided for by the Response of the Sacred Penitentiary of June 16, 1880." [It reaffirmed the 1880 decision in full].

2. The Teachings of the approved theologians give the green light to PA
The decisions of the Sacred Penitentiary should end the matter. However, we also have the testimony of the approved theologians who teach in favor of PA. None of them were ever censured for their teachings. Had PA been against Natural and Divine positive Law, the popes would have an obligation to condemn those teachings and the theologians who taught them. What good is a Magisterium that can't teach and allows error to go unchecked? The Church would be allowing Her children to believe and practice something evil; but the Indefectibility of the Church will not allow such. Here is a sampling of some of the major approved theologians (authors) of the 20th century before Vatican II:

According to theologian Jone:
 "Abstaining from intercourse during this [infertile] period has come to be known as the Rhythm Method of Birth Control [later NFP]. For a proportionate reason and with the mutual consent of husband and wife it is lawful intentionally to practice periodic continence, i.e., restrict intercourse to those times when conception is impossible...[it is subject to three conditions] (1) Both parties must freely agree to the restrictions it involves; (2)The practice must not constitute an occasion of sin, especially the sin of incontinence; (3) There must be a proportionately grave reason for not having children, at least for the time being." ( See Moral Theology, [1961], pg. 542).

According to theologian Prummer:
"To make use of the so-called safe period has been declared lawful..." (See Handbook of Moral Theology, [1955], pg. 413).

According to theologians McHugh and Callan:
"(b) If birth control refers to a means of family limitation, it is lawful when that means is continence or abstinence from marital relations, not if it is onanism or the use of mechanical or chemical means to prevent conception." (See Moral Theology, [1930], 2:604; Emphasis in original).

The primary theologian who drafted the monumental encyclical Casti Connubii (1930), which condemned artificial contraception, was Fr. Arthur Vermeersch. The encyclical was a response the the Anglican sect which became the first denomination calling itself "Christian" to allow artificial contraception among married couples. I mention Vermeersch because one of the biggest complaints by MHFM supporters against PA is that the intention and purpose of PA is the same as artificial contraception.

Let us remember that the intrinsic end of an action is that which tends towards it's very nature. (For example, almsgiving has the intrinsic purpose of giving relief to one in need). Extrinsic motives don't change the nature of an action. For example, someone might engage in the act of almsgiving to flaunt his wealth and to receive praise from people rather than caring for the poor. However, the nature of the act is unaffected--the poor do indeed obtain relief. (See e.g., theologian Prummer, Ibid, pg. 5).

Vermeersch and canonist Bouscaren, in What is Marriage?(1932), a catechism based on Casti Connubii, point out:
"As long as the [marital] act takes place normally it remains objectively directed towards its primary end, which is generation; and since, according to the maxim that the purpose of the law is not within the matter of the law (finis legis non cadit sub legem), there is no obligation, while observing the law, to intend the end for which it was promulgated, it follows that the act is not necessarily vitiated by deliberately choosing a certain time with the intention of avoiding conception. (pg. 44; Emphasis mine)

Who better would understand the intent of the encyclical than the theologian who wrote it under the direction of Pope Pius XI? However, is it the purpose of marriage to have as many children as physically possible? In a word: No. This will be discussed in the next section.

3. The Practice of the Church
That the Church has not "defined" marriage as a Sacrament meant only and exclusively to be used as a vehicle by which the marital act must produce as many children as physically possible is proven by: (a) the fact that the Church does not prohibit couples past their fertile years from engaging in the marital act, and (b) She has never condemned or prohibited senior citizens (e.g., a 70 year old widower and a 68 year old widow) from getting married even though it is obvious the union cannot produce any children.

To those who object that married couples are required to have as many children as physically possible (usually citing St. Catherine of Sienna who was the 25th of 25 children), the Church teaches no such thing. Married couples should be generous and have many children. However, God's plan is different for each couple. According to theologian John O'Brien, "Contrary to the impression that prevails in some quarters, there is no obligation on any couple to beget any specific number of children, much less to give birth to the largest number possible." (See Lawful Birth Control, [1934], pgs. 61-62).

The proper principle is to use the sacrament of Matrimony as God intended; to bring the man and woman closer to each other and closer to Him; begetting children insofar as the couple may be able to do so under their circumstances in life.

Conclusion
This was a long but necessary post. The Dimond brothers have a whole host of errors they spread in addition to their denial of BOD and BOB. Their crazed followers will make the strangest comments, just to spread error. One of their followers commented that "Ozzy Osbourne is in Hell," on a post that never mention the late singer or anything even remotely related. (While I'm not optimistic about the fate of Osbourne who led a wicked life, without a special revelation from God, no one can say for certain he is damned). 

The Dimonds are the Westboro Baptists of Feeneyism. As the severity of errors surpasses that of most Feeneyites, we should start calling the heretics who follow them Dimondites.

156 comments:

  1. Thank you for all you do Intriobo!!!

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    1. John,
      Thank you, my friend! Thank you for all you do in helping me to keep this blog going!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  2. Introibo, do you believe that it is possible for an infant to be saved without receiving the sacrament of baptism by water in certain cases?

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    1. @anon4:16
      Infants that are martyred receive BOB. Infants cannot receive BOD.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Do you believe God could save an infant who has not been baptized and also has not received BOB? Is God bound by only these 2 means?

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    3. @anon6:06
      I believe what the Church teaches. I'm not a theologian or canonist to make teachings under the Magisterium's watchful eye. God, Who is Mercy Itself, does not send children to Hell in that circumstance--they receive natural happiness in Limbo.

      God can do as He wills. I let the Church tell me what He actually does, and not speculate.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. I understand. But what I am saying is do you believe that God could save an infant outside of these 2 means? I understand what the Church teaches. I am asking your opinion.

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    5. @anon4:08
      Could He? Yes. Does He? I honestly don't know.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    6. Introibo, do you see how this idea contradicts the council of Florence?

      “Regarding children, indeed, because of danger of death, which can often take place, when no help can be brought to them by another remedy than through the sacrament of baptism, through which they are snatched from the domination of the Devil [original sin] and adopted among the sons of God, it advises that holy baptism ought not be deferred for forty or eighty days…”

      You say that God could, but he won’t, when in reality God CANNOT save infants without sacramental baptism as described in the council of Constance, Carthage, and Trent because he said so through his Church, and cannot contradict himself, nor can he deceive nor be deceived. This idea cannot be held, and even various priests who believe in BOD in general do not believe this.

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    7. @anon10:43
      You may well be correct. I did not state that God will save unbaptized infants without either the sacrament of baptism or BOB (although they go to limbo and not Hell). Then again, I'm not going to rule out God's ability to save them by another means. You cite Trent, but actually the proceedings of the Council show they did NOT definitively rule out that possibility.

      At Trent, theologian Andrew de Vega, proposed the following proposition to be condemned:

      "Children who die without baptism may be saved."

      His suggestion was DENIED by the Council Fathers. Another theologian, Leoninus, suggested condemning the idea children can be baptized in the womb. His suggestion, too, was REJECTED at Trent. Interestingly, on August 21, 1901, the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office under Pope Leo XIII declared baptism "in utero" performed by a needle inserted into the womb by doctors/nurses to be valid. There can be no doubt that the Holy Ghost was at work during the Council of Trent.

      Now, the lack of a condemnation is not the same as a definitive teaching in favor of something. Hence, I say I do not know if God can save unbaptized infants apart from sacramental baptism and BOB. God is omnipotent so He COULD do it, unless He, in His Infinite Wisdom, chose to limit Himself for reason known but to Him.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    8. We know that God has actually limited himself to 1 means of salvation for infants, that is baptism, based on the positive teaching of the quote I gave above. The idea that an infant could be saved without the sacrament of baptism is heretical, because baptism is the "only means" whereby infants can be saved. So when you say "He COULD do it" this is incorrect. The same way God could not allow someone into heaven who died in mortal sin. It is impossible for God, since God is truth, and is bound by his word, because he cannot deceive nor be deceived. It does not matter what the council fathers did or did not teach or believed. Your very example of baptism in utero proves my point. So, when popes teach that the Sacrament of Baptism is the only way whereby an infant can be saved, that means, that the sacrament of baptism is the only way whereby an infant can be saved. Any other means is false, no matter which fallible person taught it.

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    9. @anon6:40
      No, "we" don't know that God has limited Himself. You are a Dimondite heretic, not a Catholic. Like your cult masters, Fred and Bobby, YOU interpret what a given papal teaching means, just as a Protestant does with Scripture. St. John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." This quote "proves" invocation of the Blessed Virgin Mary and the saints is useless, says the Lutheran pastor. You do the same with Denzinger and help from Fred and Bobby.

      You also, like the Dimwit brothers, REJECT the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium (UOM) which is equal to the extraordinary Magisterium and equally infallible.

      The Church teaches that infants can be saved by BOB, not only the sacrament of Baptism.

      The corporate body of theologians is infallible, as explained in my post. Theologian Scheeben taught this and his works were praised and recommended by Pope Pius XI. If that teaching is heretical, and the body of theologians is not infallible, Scheeben taught heresy and Pope Pius XI approved it and recommended it, making him a heretic also in his non-infallible capacity as a private theologian. According to Doctor of the Church St. Alphonsus Liguori, "If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate." (See Verita della Fede, Pt. III, Ch. VIII, 9-10).

      Therefore, Pope Pius XI could NOT be a true pope, according to you and those at MHFM. Do you really believe that?

      The fact is YOU reject EENS and replace it with EDNS---Extra Dimond Nulla Salus.

      I'll be praying for your conversion.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  3. I thank God for guiding me to your blog to understand true faith in these times of apostasy. Many people proclaim themselves to be experts on religion but do not have the necessary qualifications. Even though you are not a theologian, you have a good understanding of these things, and that is very helpful to all of us.

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    1. Simon,
      Thank you for your kind words, my friend! Comments like yours keep me writing.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  4. The photo of the lunatic at the top of the page sadly reminds me of a couple Dimondites whom I've had heated arguments with in the past face to face. Thanks for giving me the flashbacks. As Fr. Cekada once told me, "Dimonds are forever."

    Lee

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    1. Lee,
      Lol! And.."A Dimond is a heretic's best friend!"

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  5. Introibo,
    Happy Feast Day (or Name Day as we'd say here in Poland) of your patron saint, St. Louis!

    God Bless You,
    Joanna

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    1. Joanna,
      Thank you!! King St. Louis IX, ora pro nobis.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  6. Introibo:

    I posted about contacting somebody about abuse by a Novus Ordo entity.(it WAS NOT sexual abuse by a Novus Ordo priest).

    The diocese will not help, and neither will the USCCB number that you suggested. So I guess nothing will happen to these people.

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    1. @anon3:57
      I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about sexual abuse. May I ask what is the nature of this abuse? What happened?

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Basically, it was severe verbal abuse.

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    3. @anon7:53
      Don't expect anything to be done, unfortunately. They hide child molesters, so this is nothing to those scoundrels.

      Try writing a letter with all the details to "Cardinal Pierre:"

      Apostolic Nunciature to the United States
      3339 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
      Washington, D.C.

      Worth a shot. Please don't let anyone verbally abuse you. Walk away, or give it back telling him he is not acting like Christ--and be LOUD!!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. I've already called the Nunciature. They won't help me.

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    5. @anon8:38
      How sad. Maybe go to a paper with your story? They have more than enough negative publicity and may issue an apology.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  7. You are a proven liar and a fraud. First, you blatantly misquote canon 1241 of the 1917 Code. Here's what it says: "One excluded from ecclesiastical burial is also to be denied any funeral Mass, even on the anniversary, as well as other public funeral offices.” – END of canon 1241

    Yet, you fraudulently state that it includes this: “Priests may say Mass privately for him and the faithful may pray for him.” That’s not in the canon, liar. You are a fraud. Add this latest lie to your list of mortal sins. We hope you don’t receive Holy Communion, for if you do you are really racking up the sacrileges. Will you issue a retraction for having falsified the canon?

    You also say that the Dimonds “think that to make use of the infertile period (sometimes called 'Natural Family Planning' but which, more correctly, I shall deem 'periodic abstinence' [PA]) by married couples is sinful contraception.” This is deception. We DO NOT say that it’s sinful to have relations when the wife is infertile. Rather, we say that it’s sinful TO RESTRICT marital relations deliberately to those times as part of a plan or an organized scheme to avoid children. You falsely define the mere use of the infertile period as NFP and deliberately worded it in the above misleading manner to give people the impression that we think it’s sinful to have relations during the infertile period when that’s not our position. We condemn NFP based on Catholic teaching, not any use of the infertile period. NFP is wrong because it subordinates the primary purpose of the marriage act to other things, and that’s contrary to the teaching of Pope Pius XI in Casti Connubii. You are a deceiver and a very bad person. You previously did a similar thing when you lied by presenting us as condemning pleasure in the marriage act when we do not.

    Your other false claims and misrepresentations are refuted in our material on those topics. For example, you argue that the papal teaching cited by MHFM against praying for deceased non-Catholics only applies to public prayers. But that’s not true. Since you are dishonest, you ignore the papal teaching we cite from Pope Martin V and Gregory XVI. They exclude private prayers for deceased non-Catholics. Your arguments are terrible and filled with lies. You are obsessed with attacking us because the Devil in you hates our successful apostolate and Catholic dogma on salvation and baptism.

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    1. Fred and Bobby!! Welcome!

      I wish you were here to learn about Catholicism, but alas, all you do is your usual blather that I (and anyone who opposes your evil teachings) are "liars." All you have done by commenting here is make yourselves look even more inept.



      You write: "First, you blatantly misquote canon 1241 of the 1917 Code. Here's what it says: "One excluded from ecclesiastical burial is also to be denied any funeral Mass, even on the anniversary, as well as other public funeral offices.” – END of canon 1241

      Yet, you fraudulently state that it includes this: “Priests may say Mass privately for him and the faithful may pray for him.” That’s not in the canon, liar. You are a fraud. Add this latest lie to your list of mortal sins. We hope you don’t receive Holy Communion, for if you do you are really racking up the sacrileges. Will you issue a retraction for having falsified the canon"

      Reply: I NEVER said that. Learn to read. I quote the eminent canonists Abbo and Hannon:

      "However, Canon 1241 says a person deprived of Christian burial "shall also be denied any funeral Mass, even an anniversary Mass, as well as all other public funeral services. Priests may say Mass privately for him and the faithful may pray for him. (See canonists Abbo and Hannon, The Sacred Canons, 2: 495-497; Emphasis mine). Obviously the Church does not give up hope in a last minute repentance/conversion, but Fred and Bobby do."

      The canonists have interpreted the Canon, and I CITE THEM. Apparently reading comprehension is hard for you guys. The Church's theologians (which includes canonists) interpret what a Canon means, not you two. Ok, now keep paying attention Fred and Bobby! YOU ARE CLAIMING TWO EMINENT CANONISTS "FALSIFIED" THE CANON IN TEXTS USED TO TRAIN PRIESTS PRE-VATICAN II. So there will be no retraction--but will YOU RETRACT the FALSE CLAIM **I** "FALSIFIED" THE CANON?

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    2. You write: "Rather, we say that it’s sinful TO RESTRICT marital relations deliberately to those times as part of a plan or an organized scheme to avoid children."

      Reply: The Church clearly allows use of the fertile period to avoid children for serious reason. You are WRONG. Here I once more reprint from above:

      "Vermeersch and canonist Bouscaren, in What is Marriage?(1932), a catechism based on Casti Connubii, point out:

      "As long as the [marital] act takes place normally it remains objectively directed towards its primary end, which is generation; and since, according to the maxim that the purpose of the law is not within the matter of the law (finis legis non cadit sub legem), there is no obligation, while observing the law, to intend the end for which it was promulgated, it follows that the act is not necessarily vitiated by deliberately choosing a certain time with the intention of avoiding conception. (pg. 44; Emphasis mine)"

      You write: "Your other false claims and misrepresentations are refuted in our material on those topics. For example, you argue that the papal teaching cited by MHFM against praying for deceased non-Catholics only applies to public prayers. But that’s not true. Since you are dishonest, you ignore the papal teaching we cite from Pope Martin V and Gregory XVI. They exclude private prayers for deceased non-Catholics. Your arguments are terrible and filled with lies. You are obsessed with attacking us because the Devil in you hates our successful apostolate and Catholic dogma on salvation and baptism."

      Reply: Freddy, Bobby...you must learn to READ. Here I reprint my answer above to Pope Gregory:
      "The other quotes from, e.g., Pope Gregory the Great, clearly mean prayers are not offered for non-Catholics publicly, because no one but God knows what happens between Him and a soul prior to death except by special revelation."

      I expose you because you are leading countless souls into heresy and putting them on the path to perdition. You are unqualified and incompetent to interpret Church law/teachings. I cite the approved theologians, who are infallible as a corporate body. Sadly, you two believe YOURSELVES to be infallible. I'll be praying for you both to become Catholics.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. MHFM,

      I have always wondered, do you guys have any hobbies other than talking about theology? I too enjoy theology discussions and can go on and on about different topics, but I also enjoy many other interests. I’m just curious? Do you ever watch a baseball, football, or hockey game? Do you like music? Do you watch movies or TV shows? Do you draw, paint, take hikes, play a musical instrument, etc.? It just seems like all you do is harp on your theological points and damn to hell anyone who disagrees with you. As the expression goes, “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.” You guys seem very dull.

      Keeping you both in prayer.

      -TradWarrior

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    4. TradWarrior,

      They seem to be interested in watching people who perform illusions and magic, so much so, they have an almost 3 hour video "exposing" it. Unfortunately, if they watched other videos online they would have discovered that almost of them can be explained naturally and that they are very cleverly done. According to their video and yes I did watch it so that you wouldn't have to we are to believe it all comes from demons as if the illusions are supernatural and cannot be explained. Introibo should have added that to his article last week. Silly TradWarrior tricks are for kids.

      Lee

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    5. MHFM, Introibo cites the 1917 code, and theologians OÇonnell & Szal against your position on praying for deceased non-Catholics. What do you say to that? Take the 1917 code for a moment...can it contain errors in your opinion? Do you say the church officially taught errors in the code? Curious as to your reply.

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    6. TW,

      Based on your interests you sound very worldly. Music? What kind of music do you listen to? If it’s not Gregorian chant, classical, or traditional non pagan folk songs, then you listen to bad music. TV shows? Which TV shows do you watch? I’d like to know what a person who calls themselves “TradWarrior” watches. Sports culture? Baseball, football, and hockey games? Sports are littered with immorality. Greed, vainglory, immodesty, criminals. Sports are a dangerous path to worshipping idols and fandom. When we become men, we put away childish things. They don’t call the NFL the national felons league for nothing. Recreation is fine but organized sports and having disordered worldly interests are not fine.

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    7. I'm Anon 6:52. I keep checking back for a reply from MHFM but alas, nothing. However, I suspect Anon 8:54, responding to TW is MHFM. What is interesting about this post is that I recall that Fred and Bob are very much into watching sports, including Sunday NFL. So, if this comment is who I think it is, then draw your own conclusion

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    8. I think anon 8:54 might belong to that group of sedevacantists who would refuse entry to a chapel to a man wearing dress shoes, dress pants, and a neatly pressed dress shirt but no jacket and tie.
      Yet, the truth stands in the middle.

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    9. @anon8:54pm

      You sound like a Feeneyite. Perhaps I am dialoguing with Fred or Bobby here? My comment above seemed to strike a nerve. I simply was wondering what Fred and Bobby do for fun. I get they like theology and they certainly seem to damn a lot of people to hell who disagree with them. I was just wondering if they had any versatility to them. I was curious if they had any other hobbies or interests? Apparently, the answer is a resounding “No.”

      I like different types of music. So if something is not Gregorian chant, classical, or traditional non pagan folk songs, it is bad music. Where does the church teach this, or did you just make it up? So Jazz, Blues, Country, Soft Rock, Soul, Gospel, Show tunes, etc. are all bad? Really?! I’m not saying that I am a fan of all of these different types of music, I just find it interesting how you can label everything else across the board as bad music that isn’t one of the groups you mentioned.

      I like all different types of movies and TV shows. I do not have any favorite modern TV shows because pretty much all of the modern stuff is garbage. But there are many older TV shows that I enjoy. Apparently you find that sinful too?

      As to sports – so you consider them all immoral and sinful? While I certainly do not condone sports players outrageous salaries nor many of their personal lifestyles, I nevertheless find nothing wrong with healthy competition. Both individual and team sports can help people grow to become better people through hard work, perseverance, training, bettering oneself, learning teamwork, etc. I do think the NFL is over glorified in many respects and I do not like that. But to think that all sports are evil or bad goes too far. So to you, watching a baseball or hockey game would be bad? Interesting.

      Your comment reminds of a lot of trads that I have unfortunately come across through the years. I have seen many people who think that nearly everything is sinful in this world and they literally damn anyone and everyone to hell for every little iota where the opposition disagrees with them. And yet, this is the world we live in. We may not be “of the world” as Christians but we still have to live IN THIS WORLD. It’s where God put us. If you are that put off by that much in the world (and yes, there are a lot of problems in this world), then perhaps you would be best to go live in a cave somewhere as a hermit. Some people have throughout the centuries. I choose not to.

      -TradWarrior

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    10. @anon10:39am

      You could very well be right that it is MHFM that responded to me. I guess I should be honored if it was. Fred and Bobby wrote to me! St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Alphonsus Liguori, Pope St. Pius X, Pope Benedict XV, Scheeben, Van Noort, and SO MANY others were wrong, but the 2 monks from Fillmore, NY fortunately came along to set the record straight. It’s too bad the church had so many incompetent saints and theologians throughout the centuries until Leonard Feeney and Fred and Bobby came along. To think that Christ failed us for so long until we finally got some all-stars in the 20th century. Oh wait, I shouldn’t say all-stars. It sounds like a sports reference and they frown on that. They seem to want to “march to the beat of their own drum” just to be different. Oh wait, I shouldn’t have said drum. It sounds like rock & roll music and they frown on that too. They seem to just want to penalize everyone that disagrees with them. Oh wait, I said penalize. That seems to be a hockey reference to the penalty box where bad people go who crosscheck, hook, trip, spear, slash, etc. Oh boy, they are probably damning me to hell as I write this. I’m too worldly!

      -TradWarrior

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    11. @anon12:59pm

      I think you are right and sadly I have known many trads like this. The first Sede church I went to was full of so many problems like this. Many people were so overly strict, cold, standoffish, weird, etc. that I saw many people leave the church (and others refused to join after they were treated like crap). From day 1, I knew that I would not fit in with many of these people, and I (correctly) predicted several people I saw in the pews who would eventually leave the church. I was correct on every one of them. Sadly, the biggest problem many times with the traditionalist movement is individual traditionalists who give tradition a bad image simply because they see themselves as the only traditionalists while everyone else is untraditional to them, if that makes sense.

      -TradWarrior

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    12. When it comes to music there is objectively good music and then there is objectively bad music. There is a hierarchy and order to the arrangement of sound, melody being the highest and Gregorian chant being the highest form of music. Once this hierarchy is rearranged it becomes disordered and isn’t music at all but noise. This bad music is arranged in a way to stir up the lower passions, usually making rhythm the most important part of this disordered composition. And we see this corruption in all forms of music that are not either Gregorian chant or classical, traditional folk songs, being perhaps neutral in most cases. So, to answer your question, YES, country, rock, and every other genre are BAD. Objectively bad because they are disordered and are setup in a way in order to excite the carnal impulses. These types of music inspire lust, despair, hypnotic states of mind, anger, etc. They are corrupt and worldly. Priests and Bishops, who many consider clergy of the “traditional movement” have talked about this at length, from Bishop Sanborn to Fr. Philip Davis of The CMRI. Your knee jerk reaction to someone challenging your attraction to worldly amusements and entertainment is to call them names and tell them to live in a cave. Would you tell Bishop Sanborn to go live in a cave? Are you familiar with unnecessary near occasions of sin? Have you read Saint Alphonsus Liguori on avoiding the occasions of sin. You are willing to compromise on morally objectionable things, and then try to make arguments for their neutrality. It doesn’t work. Some on in this comments section might call Saint Alphonsus an “extremist” if they actually read what he wrote on these topics without knowing he wrote them. The intellect is the primary faculty in discerning beauty. It recognizes something as intelligible and ordered. For art or natural things to give us intellectual pleasure, there must be truth and goodness in them. The music you refer to rejects and rebels against The Natural Order! Country music? Are you serious? This is some of the most worldly music out there? The Blues? This has its roots in primitive Voodoo. I will continue with sports and movies……

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    13. When it comes to movies most all are garbage. Have you heard of The Legion of Decency? Look at the movies they said were BAD, yes BAD, IMMORAL, CORRUPT, and then try to make an objective assessment of the movies you enjoy and watch, and see what you discover. Stay away from all unnecessary near occasions of sin. Most movies today if not all have content with at least some or all of the following, vulgarity, impurity, blasphemy, immoral topics and more. You think this is neutral? You never named what you watch, perhaps, you know specifically naming the stuff you enjoy will get you called out for calling yourself “trad” engaging with objectively immoral things.

      Organized sports are a distraction. Why are grown men wearing jerseys with the names of other men on their backs??? This is the height of effeminacy. Grown men sitting around a TV watching brutes chase a ball around and vicariously living through these sports figures. Sports culture is immoral. Fr. Cekada, a familiar name in this comment section, gave a sermon on Organized Sports. He didn’t agree with your stance at all. Organized sports are degenerate, a distraction, promoting greed, rivalry, anger, idol worship, crime, disgusting music and much more.

      There are traditional Catholics who are actually trying to live traditional lives. It is hard living in this very corrupt and sick world but there can’t be any compromise when it comes to these evil worldly amusements and avoiding occasions of sin. To label people “extreme” for living as traditional Catholics and staying away from bad music, sports, culture, and bad moves, is a bad act. This is why Catholics in this country lost the culture war and we have Vatican II. They compromised, they gave into convenience, human respect, and having fun.

      One cannot serve both God and Mammon. It comes down avoiding near occasions of sin and recognizing evil that is often dressed up as fun and entertainment. Where does The Church teach this? Too many places to list. Start with Saint Alphonsus. I hope that answers some of your questions.


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    14. Man, you need to re-read TW's reply once again. When it comes to movies, he stated clearly that most modern TV shows and movies are garbage so he prefers old ones. Yet, you imply that he allegedly watches filth because he didn't share any title of a movie/TV show he likes. You're quite close to rash judgment there.

      If I remember correctly, rhythm being intrinsically evil is something Fr. DePauw was quick to refute when he heard an ill-trained trad priest pontificating as such (Introibo, could you please verify if that's true?).

      I assume you belong to that group of sedevacantists who:
      consider Card. Newman as a near Modernist or at least fishy;
      consider those who follow the reforms of Pius XII as "not serious";
      refuse to admit that Catholics have the liberty of opinion with regards to the scientific age of the Earth;
      have a certain nostalgia for monarchy (as if they fancied themselves to have been the old-days nobility).

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    15. You need to reread the comment. He said: “I like all different types of movies and TV shows. I do not have any favorite modern TV shows because pretty much all of the modern stuff is garbage. But there are many older TV shows that I enjoy” . He refers only to older TV shows that he watches, but says he likes all types, which reasonably means he could watch modern movies. He never said he only watched older movies. Again, many older movies were labeled immoral by The Legion of Decency. So even older media is littered with filth. What is your point? Name the shows and movies. That was the original question posed. Just answer the question. What movies? What music? Let’s get specific. I’ve already showed you why this person is attracted and enjoys worldly things without hearing the specifics. You say I rashly judge, then go on to list a bunch of assumptions about what I believe. Very typical. You can’t refute the arguments so you make assumptions and are incapable of reading the original comment that the “trad” person made, and then make bogus straw man arguments. Do some research and then get back to me.

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    16. @anon11:31am/11:50am/3:37pm,

      I do not deny that Gregorian chant is beautiful music. That goes without saying. A lot of classical music is beautiful too. I personally could not listen to just classical music all the time. I enjoy a variety. I do not like anything like hard rock or rap or anything like that. I do not agree that all country, jazz, or rock music (soft or moderate, not hard rock) is all bad. You clearly do. You are entitled to your opinion.

      I do not see a lot of modern movies. In terms of going to a movie theatre to see a movie, it has definitely been a LONG time. Again, like TV shows there are not many modern movies that are good and I cannot even think of the last movie that I saw at the movie theatre at the moment. So I agree there, many are very bad. So maybe that will help to ease your mind. You strike me as the type of person that could find many faults with many “G” rated movies for this or that reason.

      Regarding sports, there are many young/young adult traditional Catholics that enjoy sports. They play baseball, basketball, football, soccer, hockey, etc. Are they all sinning by playing or watching sports, something that they enjoy doing in addition to praying, studying the faith, doing homework, working long hours at a job, etc.? According to you, yes. Fr. Cekada doesn’t like organized sports, you said. Ok that’s fine. Fr. Cekada also (more times than a few) displayed a very extreme “Follow me or die” attitude with many issues and was very harsh with those who disagreed with him. Introibo has written on this issue many times when it came to Fr. Cekada. The man did a lot of good. There is no question. His writings helped me tremendously embrace the Sede position. But he was not correct on everything.

      St. Teresa of Avila had the famous quote “There is a time for penance and a time for partridge.” Some people were horrified by her eating a partridge. There are many other examples of saints and how they knew that moderation was very important. They did not simply pray all day long every day, as important as prayer is. They enjoyed different hobbies and recreational activities. They knew that variety was important to maintaining a well-balanced life. Being religious, they naturally spent more time in prayer and study, but they still indulged in other secular things that they enjoyed in life. It’s called being human. A person can indulge (not going to excesses) in different things in life and still be perfectly fine.

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    17. CONTINUED…To the young man or young woman who says, “I am glad that I played this sport. It helped me to learn teamwork, perseverance, and working towards something greater than myself to achieve a goal with a lot of hard work.” To you (and Fr. Cekada presumably), they are sinning because all organized sports are immoral, if I am understanding you correctly. Again, I totally disagree!

      On a daily basis, I am responsible for helping a LARGE amount of people from all different backgrounds. I will not divulge too much here but will speak in generalities. I have to help people from all different demographics and I am tasked with taking care of a LOT of people. Before I go on, I just want to say that I have come to meet some wonderful traditional Catholics who are very saintly people. But there have been MANY instances where I have been in situations where I am dealing with people of different races, cultures, religions, ages, etc. and the one group of people that I have had the most problems with is other traditional Catholics. It is we who possess the One True Faith. That is why we are Sedevacantists. And yet, the lack of charity that I have seen among some Sedes (the key word is SOME) has been appalling on many occasions! I have seen firsthand, and have had many stories told to me from others on their firsthand experiences, situations where a complete lack of charity caused someone to leave a Sede church or chapel or to never join one because of how they were treated. This does not negate the fact that the Traditional Catholic Faith is true. That is not the issue here. The issue is that for a position as small as it is (less than 0.1% of 1.2 billion Novus Ordo’s), charity should be so prevalent that others outside the Traditional Catholic Faith should see the joy of Christ radiate so strongly that it should attract people from all different backgrounds into the Traditional Catholic Faith. Many trads are the greatest obstacle to others coming into the faith. That should not be the case. What St. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13 should not be hard, and yet it is for so many people. Why?

      I look at the way some (again that word “some” is key here, not all) trads dialogue with each other (this is very prevalent among the Feeneyites) and the last thing one sees with these people is charity. All things should start with charity and then go from there. This is not that hard.

      -TradWarrior

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    18. @anon1:22pm

      Thank you very much for your comment. I think you see where I am coming from. To many trads that I know, they get what I am saying right away, no questions asked. They completely agree. To others such as the commenter here that you and I are dialoguing with, I might as well be speaking a foreign language.

      God Bless you,

      -TradWarrior

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    19. Anon of Aug. 29 @ 3:37 above asked:
      "What music? Let's get specific."

      OK, what about the 1971 song "American Pie" from the "Don McLean" youtube channel, which includes stanzas such as:

      Do you believe in rock n' roll?
      Can music save your mortal soul?...
      I saw Satan laughing with delight,
      The day the music died.

      As many people understand it, that song is a haunting funeral dirge for the USA, a commentary about John's Apocalypse, verse 18:22; with a particular emphasis, as some suppose, that the megalopolis of that chapter, is none other than the city in which Introibo works.

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    20. TradWarrior,
      I'm anon Aug. 28 12:59 and Aug 29. 1:22
      You comments made perfect sense to me. I've also seen much weird, stuffy and off-putting behavior among trads/sedevacantists. Actually, I've seen pretty much only this kind of rudeness in my own surroundings and the only charitable traditional Catholics worthy of that name are the ones I got to know via Introibo's blog.

      God Bless You,
      Joanna

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    21. No, I don’t look to folk rock singer Don McLean to gain insight into scripture or specific parts of The Bible. What many boomers, hippies, and people interested in folk rock music lyrics say about its Biblical meaning is if no interest. Also folk rock is degenerate and bad. Is it bad as Marilyn Manson? No there are gradations, but it is still immoral. The instrumentation is disordered and the genre is mostly anti-establishment, rebellious, and is part of the counter culture. Simon and Garfunkel, Bob Dylan etc…bad music!

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    22. Traditional Catholics should not be rude, but let’s not conflate rudeness with being assertive, unapologetic, and confident in speaking the truth. People talk about rudeness in the traditional movement, but I’ve also seen quite a bit of simulated “kindness” and niceties to the point of being disordered and fake. There is also false charity out there, and people seem to think that an incessant smile on your face, and always being naturally polite is somehow the pinnacle of Christian charity. It is not. We are living in a deranged society, everyone is trying to “virtue” signal, how “nice” a person they are, many believe evil is good, and good is evil. There are many nominal Christians who fall into this trap too. And there are “trad” Catholics who are warm and welcoming trad Catholics on Sunday, and who are worldlings during the week who are always seeking human respect. There will never be another Saint John Marie Vianney, but if a traditional priest gave a sermon like the ones he gave to his congregation, there would be people in this comments section saying, I left that church, it was too “extreme”. We need to hear more preaching about God’s Justice and the Four Last Things! That is why Saint John Marie Vianney had a full church and thousands traveling far distances to go to confession with this Saint. He told it like it is! End of story.

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    23. anon 3:37
      I've been doing research ever since I converted to true Catholicism so much so if you ask me what a Legion of Decency rating for a given movie is I should either be able to tell you right away or direct you to an archived diocesan paper that has it. The Legion was effectually disarmed in mid-60s so are we forbidden to even consider watching anything made afterwards?
      Let me be clear: as a general rule I stay away from modern entertainment industry because you have to dive into a swamp in order to find anything decent and worthy of your time and there are so many old wholesome and well-made movies to choose from that you're unlikely to watch all of them anyway.
      If you want to hear the specifics, "A Bridge Too Far" (1977) is an excellent movie made in a decade where hell was literally unleashed in the movie industry.

      Music-wise, there's the American Standard genre. Don't tell me listening to Andy Williams singing "Moon River" is immoral! Chris Rea's "Josephine" can be labelled as soft rock/pop rock. Its lyrics are clean, no distorted chord progression. Is it, nevertheless, bad too?

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    24. Just an fyi...jazz and rock n roll are slang terms for sex. St Vianney condemned dancing, among other entertainments.
      I am sure many have seen this but I like to send to people as reminder, a wake up call. Paul Harvey's...If I were the devil.
      https://youtu.be/jnPE8u5ONls?si=b_fy0Z0V_4ZLxZlP

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    25. @anon2:56
      St. John condemned dancing because the types of dance were impure. I have never read any theologian (or papal decree) declaring all dancing to be sinful. Pope St. Pius X condemned the Tango dance, which would be unnecessary if all dance were prohibited per se.

      TradWarrior and Joanna have it right. In medio stat veritas.

      ---Introibo

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    26. Joanna
      You wrote: "If I remember correctly, rhythm being intrinsically evil is something Fr. DePauw was quick to refute when he heard an ill-trained trad priest pontificating as such (Introibo, could you please verify if that's true?)."

      It is indeed true!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    27. Medio stat veritas doesn’t mean you can listen to blues music and so called soft rock. Do you know who are considered soft rock “musicians”? Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel, and many more filth mongers and people involved with the occult and pagan themes among other things. There is no moderation and this so fictitious idea of a healthy middle when discussing near unnecessary occasions of sin, gravely imprudent entertainments, and sinful worldly entertainments like watching organized sports and watching ALMOST all movies. There are activities for recreation that don’t involve these wicked things as much as you try to make them neutral. Recreational sports are fine, like a friendly catch or other recreational sports activities, depending on the sport, reading, hiking, exercise, cooking, and many more activities that don’t involve listening to anything related to music that has its origins in Voodoo culture and pagan/shaman/ occult practices etc… The moderation argument doesn’t work.

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    28. @anon6:34
      I did a series of posts called "Singing For Satan" and I am well aware of what passes for "soft rock." Learn to discern is the key.

      Air Supply singing "All Out of Love" is NOT a "near unnecessary occasion of sin."

      Yet, you expose yourself to sin in what you do:

      "recreational sports activities"--evil! What would Fr. Cekada say?

      "reading"--unless its spiritual reading it all comes from Satan

      "hiking"---You might walk past someone immodestly clothed and have impure thoughts

      "exercise:" a trick of the devil to get you to exalt the body over the soul; you should be doing spiritual exercises only.

      "cooking"--an open invitation to gluttony!!!

      If you want to live as a recluse, that's fine. Just please don't make up sins and occasions of sins that don't exist and disturb the peace of mind of devout Traditionalists like Joanna, TradWarrior, and yours truly.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    29. Fr. Cekada said recreational sports are fine. Listen to the sermon before you make your argument. You need to learn about, and distinguish between, a remote occasion of sin and proximate occasion of sin. Are you familiar with necessary near occasions of sin vs. unnecessary near occasions of sin? Listening to disordered music is an unnecessary near occasion of sin, hiking in the woods on a weekday where you might see an immodest person and can easily have custody of your eyes is remote and not even a sin at all in most cases if you don’t glance or stare. Gluttony is almost always a venial sin, but listening to disordered music, watching sports games where people can easily become idol worshippers and get hooked on the sports culture, and watching bad movies are very dangerous. Putting yourself in objectively bad situations with the likelihood of sinning gravely is a near occasion of sin. Cooking a meal is not a near occasion of sin. Saint Paul spoke about athletes pursuing the corruptible crown. Your arguments are not well thought out. Many of the priests you follow and praise don’t agree on what you have to say about this topic. More importantly, neither does the Catholic Church.

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    30. Are people aware that organized sports were a creation of communist revolutionaries in the 1840s setup in order to stir up strong emotional reactions, rivalry, following the crowd, and social conditioning. It’s a form of manipulation and organized sports culture is irrational and childish in many ways too. Look at modern sports culture today. Just look at it and tell me it’s not extremely wicked and leads to all sorts of horrible vices and sins.

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    31. Good reply Introibo. This guy sounds like he should be living in the trailer park with Bob and Fred, not in the world. Good heavens.

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    32. @anon7:10
      LOL!! What I wrote was sarcasm! I agree with TradWarrior and Joanna.

      ---Introibo

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    33. Joanna,

      Thank you very much my friend. I agree wholeheartedly with you! And yes, “Moon River” is a great song!

      -TradWarrior

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    34. Great post Introibo. Very well said!

      -TradWarrior

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    35. @anon7:37
      That inordinate attachment to sports is evil; CONCEDED. That sports are per se evil; DENIED. If organized sports are intrinsically evil and a plot by Communists, can you explain why no pope or theologian from 1840 to 1958 ever taught this and warned against it?

      ---Introibo

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    36. I have read many saints say opposite re dancing and such...sorry to pester but seems some things are ignored because easy?
      https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/n065rp_Balls-02.htm

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    37. Yes. Of course you agree with your loyal followers. No surprise there. You seek human respect over truth. You make excuses for sin and claim that moderating sin is the way to go. You even use a “soft rock” song that is so worldly and about hopelessness and about lustful human attraction by the degenerates Air Supply, and say this is fine to listen to.Wow!!! I quickly glanced at the lyrics, thankfully there was no vulgarity, but the lyrics are so worldly and about dejection. Very sad to here people think this is just normal everyday listening music.

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    38. @anon7:56
      Your citation refutes your very contention. At the top it reads:
      "We remind our readers that the Cardinal is not speaking here about classical or folkloric dances."

      Hence, there are pure and impure dances. The Church never condemned dance per se.

      ---Introibo

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    39. @anon7:59
      I agree with people when I agree with their reasoning; if not I give fraternal correction. I wrote the series of posts "Singing For Satan." I have researched the evil in modern music extensively. I would NEVER recommend a song with vulgarity. Here are the lyrics you condemn:

      "All Out of Love" by Air Supply (1980)
      "I'm lying alone with my head on the phone
      Thinking of you 'til it hurts
      I know you're hurt too, but what else can we do?
      Tormented and torn apart
      I wish I could carry your smile in my heart
      For times when my life seems so low
      It would make me believe what tomorrow could bring
      When today doesn't really know
      Doesn't really know
      I'm all out of love, I'm so lost without you
      I know you were right believing for so long
      I'm all out of love, what am I without you?
      I can't be too late to say that I was so wrong
      I want you to come back and carry me home
      Away from these long, lonely nights
      I'm reaching for you, are you feeling it too?
      Does the feeling seem oh so right?
      And what would you say if I called on you now
      And said that I can't hold on?
      There's no easy way, it gets harder each day
      Please love me or I'll be gone
      I'll be gone
      I'm all out of love, I'm so lost without you
      I know you were right believing for so long
      I'm all out of love, what am I without you?
      I can't be too late to say that I was so wrong
      Oh, what are you thinking of?
      What are you thinking of?
      What are you thinking of?
      What are you thinking of?
      I'm all out of love, I'm so lost without you
      I know you were right believing for so long
      I'm all out of love, what am I without you?
      I can't be too late, I know I was so wrong
      I'm all out of love, I'm so lost without you
      I know you were right believing for so long
      I'm all out of love, what am I without you?
      I can't be too late, I know I was so wrong
      I'm all out of love, I'm so lost without you
      I know you were right believing for so long
      I'm all out of love, what am I without you?
      I can't be too late to say that I was so wrong
      (I'm all out of love, I'm so lost without you, I know you were right)"

      You made the claim it is: "worldly and about hopelessness and about lustful human attraction by the degenerates Air Supply"

      1. Worldly. Not everything specifically religious is thereby "worldly."

      2. Hopelessness. The man is feeling hopelessness as we all do sometimes. It is not being condoned.

      3. Lustful Human Attraction. Where is he talking about sex? Do you even know what the song is about?

      A man whose wife left him and he wants her to come back because he mistreated her. He regrets what he did and wants her to forgive him and return. That's '"LUST"??

      $. Degenerates. I personally met the duo who are Air Supply in 2022; Graham Russell and Russell Hitchcock. They were in NY about a legal issue and my friend was representing them. They were total gentleman and best friends since they met in 1974 at their Protestant church!

      While not the true faith, they take Christianity seriously. I spoke with them about faith, and they were truly interested in what I had to say. Far from degenerate.

      You listen to classical music, don't you? You know that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was a Freemason, right? Freemasons are evil degenerates.

      Yet the Church uses his music at Mass. Ergo, as long as the degenerate himself is not made a hero, good can still emanate from him. Air Supply is a step up from Mozart ethically if not musically.

      Lesson over. Class dismissed.


      ---Introibo

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    40. So this report is wrong too? From New York Times 1916. Very hard to discern the truth these evil days.
      POPE'S DANCING BAN SENT TO CHURCHES; Cardinal Farley Issues Decree Deploring Lowering of Moral Standards. TO BE READ ON SUNDAY The Most Degrading Forms of Pleasure Are Now Rife, the Prelate Asserts.

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    41. It is worldly without question. People should not listen to songs about despair. And guess what? You don’t even know what the song is about! It’s about a romantic relationship, a non specific romantic relationship, not a marriage with a separation. A general dating relationship which almost always involves fornication. The song was dedicated to his wife for various reasons, but the song itself is about heartbreak, relationships, romantic encounters that go bad. It’s a general song about lust and bad relationships. General worldly dating relationships. Very bad! Catholics believe in courting and marriage. The song is not about these things. Where is the wholesome moral message in the song?. Mozart not one of my favorites, but he composed a few sacred songs. You are comparing sacred Church songs to Air Supply? What classroom is this? Protestants aren’t Christian. There’s a quick lesson for you. But the lesson you gave was useless and the classes you are teaching are also an occasion of sin! Thank you.

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    42. @anon8:30
      Not wrong but not completely accurate. The decree of Pope Benedict XV concerned the dances involving bodily contact between the unmarried. Married couples dancing with their own spouses is not a moral issue. Once more, certain kinds of dancing are immoral--not dancing per se.

      In Protestant England, dancing was frequently considered a "papist frivolity" to be condemned in all forms.

      Ecclesiastes 3:4 "A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;"

      Psalm 30:11 "You have turned for me my mourning into dancing; you have loosed my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness,"

      If dancing were inherently evil, the Bible could NEVER condone such, as it is written by God Himself though His chosen human instruments.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    43. @anon8:49
      Wrong. Graham Russell, THE MAN WHO WROTE THE SONG, said it was about a man's wife leaving him--he told me when I asked him as this is their greatest hit song. He dedicated it to his wife because he would feel despair without her. So would I.

      You write: "A general dating relationship which almost always involves fornication."

      Reply: Mine didn't. Neither did my parents. General dating relationships are not condemned by the Church--if they did no one would be married.

      You write: "It’s a general song about lust and bad relationships."

      Reply: I posted the lyrics. Where does sex get mentioned? I think very loving thoughts about my wife when I go away on business, but my thoughts are not sexual. You can think about a woman you love without being sexual; and married people can have sexual thoughts about their spouse.

      You write: "Where is the wholesome moral message in the song?"

      Reply: The man REGETS mistreating his wife and is begging forgiveness as he loves her so much. The moral? Don't abuse/take for granted people that you love. Great message.

      You write: "Mozart not one of my favorites, but he composed a few sacred songs."

      Reply: But he's a FREEMASON! You think Air Supply is degenerate and should not be listened to, but you think a Freemason's songs belong in Church? You fail to make distinctions that are necessary and proper. If Mozart can make an unobjectionable song, so can two Protestants!

      You write: "Protestants aren’t Christian"

      Reply: Yes, but neither are FREEMASONS! Those two gentleman of Air Supply are open to the truth. People like you will drive them away.

      You write: "There’s a quick lesson for you"

      Reply: Yes, and it teaches us not to be fanatical nitwits and follow the Church.


      ---Introibo

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    44. It’s about a non specific romantic relationship. The lyrics don’t mention his wife. He can tell you whatever he wants, the person who listens to it puts himself in danger because they don’t always know what these worldly songs are about and they are open to interpretation. The lyrics, the sound, the emotion, stir people up. It feeds the lower appetites. It doesn’t matter what he told you, what matters are the emotions stirring up of the lower passions..Classical music moves the intellectual faculties, Air Supply, supplies people with an occasion where thee lower faculties are moved, and this can be dangerous. You think it’s fine. Are the air supply people Catholics now? Or did they listen to you and then went back to their wicked Church? No difference in a Freemason nodding and smiling along, and then remaining a freemason, and your heretical friends nodding and smiling and then staying Protestant. You didn’t convince them because you weren’t born to be a teacher, you have to have the Catholic Faith to convert others. So, you think Protestants take Christianity seriously and that “soft rock” is fine. You’ll have to give an account. God will sort it all out in the end.

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    45. @anon9:36
      Ok, one last time.



      You write: "The lyrics don’t mention his wife"



      Reply: It doesn't mention the person's name. Doesn't logically follow that she doesn't have one. Nor does it mean it's about a prostitute or some promiscuous relationship unless he specifically intones the word "wife"



      You write, "Classical music moves the intellectual faculties"

      Reply: Ergo, It doesn't move you.



      You write: " Are the air supply people Catholics now? Or did they listen to you and then went back to their wicked Church?"

      Reply: I don't know as I just met them one time three years ago. Maybe they will. Or do Fred and Bobby know they can't convert and will go to Hell?



      You write: "You didn’t convince them because you weren’t born to be a teacher, you have to have the Catholic Faith to convert others"

      Reply: Tell that to one of my closest friends from law school. He was a liberal Protestant and Socialist. Years later, as a result of our conversations, HE CONVERTED AND IS A TRADITIONALIST.

      Story here: https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2020/12/single-minded-devotion.html



      You write: "So, you think Protestants take Christianity seriously"



      Reply: Some do, yes. Otherwise WE WOULD HAVE NO CONVERTS. My friend would never have become Traditionalist. I took Christianity seriously when I was V2 Sect. Thankfully, Fr. DePauw treated me with kindness, showed me the way, and I converted.

      ---Introibo

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    46. I think that the issue of the morality or immorality of dance (and related distinctions) is well explained by the eminent “pre-conciliar” Catholic theologian, Fr. Ambroise Guillois:

      "Dancing between persons of the same sex, when nothing happens, either in movements or in conversation, that is contrary to modesty and decency, is a completely neutral thing, and therefore a completely innocent entertainment. Dancing between persons of different sexes is also not sinful in itself; BUT: BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT USUALLY ACCOMPANY IT, IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and should be considered entertainment that is not in keeping with the spirit of Christianity. These circumstances are: the vanity that prevails there, the excessive familiarity that often develops, the distraction that results from it, and above all, the immodest clothing of most of the dancers. There are dances that must be completely forbidden and which it is not proper to participate in, even once, under pain of mortal sin; such as the waltz, gallop, polka, cancan... these dances are evil by their very nature, by the posture one assumes in them; they should be eradicated from all decent society, and it is difficult to understand how a woman can go to such a dance without renouncing modesty, which is proper to her sex."

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    47. Prawda i Konsekwencja
      Thank you so much for that fantastic citation! It really sums things up!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    48. Thank you Prawda!

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    49. Thank you for your kind words. However, please note that according to the words of Father Ambroise Guilloise (which are by no means an exception in traditional theology), virtually all social dances that began to spread in the early 19th century are unacceptable to Catholics. After all, even the waltz is condemned here, which today is considered a beautiful and cultured dance. Moreover, as early as the 17th century, St. Francis de Sales, writing about the dances and balls of his time, did not condemn them, but rather discouraged participation in them of one's own free will, even though the dances of that time basically consisted of men and women holding hands.

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    50. Prawda
      Understood that there are problems with dancing, and we have no Magisterium to guide us today. The point being that not all dancing is condemned by the Church.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  8. Introibo, I know this will be off topic to the article but I was wondering if you had written an article on "The Chosen" TV show. It came up in conversation and I thought I remembered an article on your blog about it in the past but was unable to find it. If you had not written one, do you know of any traditional catholic critique that is out there? Thank you for the help and thank you for all the wonderful articles you and your guests write! God bless!

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      Thank you for your kind words, my friend! No, I have never written about The Chosen. I don't know of any critiques out there. If any of my readers know, please comment here.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. The Youtube Channel Catholic Crusader Films has a video about it.

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    3. Thank you for the replies! I will certainly check out that YouTube channel. God bless!

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    4. The Chosen is very Protestant. It is produced by Mormons.. Even Dave Nix novus ordo has done articles but I don't truly recommend because he NO.
      TIA rightly condems it. Although they get the pope issue wrong, they get this right and also mention NO Nix writings on same topic.
      Catholics, Do Not Watch The Chosen television series by Miss Christina https://share.google/mYyNwDvlqCKusb35Y

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    5. Thank you for sharing that article!

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  9. I had same issues dear one. Call police, write to local papers at very least perhaps. In the end, He will take care of all. Sometimes we have to endure these things for His glory and our salvation...and did these things spur you out of NO? If so, a saving Grace.
    I have someone who keeps emailing me heretic Bible verses. I have been telling this person for years that these verses are heretic verses. They don't understand. Alll Bibles are bibles to them. Same in NO...they are dazed and confused to say the.least.

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  10. Introibo, the Council of Trent teaches in the seventh session: “ For the completion of the salutary doctrine on Justification, which was promulgated with the unanimous consent of the Fathers in the last preceding Session, it hath seemed suitable to treat of the most holy Sacraments of the Church, through which all true justice either begins, or being begun is increased, or being lost is repaired.” Now, you believe that there can be true justification (justice) outside of the sacraments. My question is this, how can BOB or BOD as they are commonly referred to as be considered means of justification before the sacrament of baptism has been received, if the Council of Trent teaches that there is no true justification outside of the sacraments, since the council posits that all true justice must be one of the three?

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      The Council of Trent cannot contradict itself.

      In its Decree on Justification, we read:
      "In which words is given a brief description of the justification of the sinner, as being a translation from that state in which man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace and of the adoption of the sons of God through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Savior.

      This translation however cannot, since promulgation of the Gospel, be effected except through the laver of regeneration or its desire, as it is written:

      Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

      What does this mean? According to Doctor of the Church St. Alphonsus Liguori:
      "It is de fide that men may be also be saved through baptism of desire — from the chapter Apostolicam, de presb. non bapt. and from the Council of Trent, where it is said that no one can be saved ‘without the washing of regeneration or the desire for it’.(See Theologia Moralis, [1909] 3:96-7).

      Despite the claims of the Dimwit brothers, the Great Doctor clearly teaches that "OR THE DESIRE FOR IT" means BOD. That's the unanimous teaching of the theologians since Trent.

      Moreover, Pope Gregory XVI approved a response of the Sacred Penitentiary that ALL of St. Alphonsus' opinions may be safely followed. That includes his teaching on BOD. If BOD were heresy, then Pope Gregory could not have been a true pope promulgating heresy.

      Therefore, Trent means there is no justification outside the Sacraments OR THE DESIRE FOR IT.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  11. The clarification on 'Periodic Abstinence' is something I was not clear on. All of these references are more than enough to answer any Dimondite should the need arise. Thank you!

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      Glad to be of help, my friend!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. For anyone interested in further reading on periodic continence, here's an article based on moral theology lecture notes by none other than Fr. DePauw!
      https://www.hprweb.com/2020/08/reclaiming-lost-voice-theology/

      Note: the article itself is authored by a Novus Ordo "priest" who was fortunate enough to have access to Father DePauw archives, most probably kept at Mount St. Mary's Seminary.

      God Bless,
      Joanna

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      Yes! Father's notes from his seminary professor days! Thanks for posting!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  12. I know this NO priest Briese from my NO days. He was so holy in my eyes battling these evil ones. He got kicked out when diocese or sent to looney bin when got word from disgruntled funeral group that he disrespected them when his story was they were disrespectful to the Lord. I believe his version.
    https://www.fromrome.info/2025/08/25/gomulka-pleads-for-father-briese-the-whistleblower/
    They branded him as crazy when he acted Catholic. So sad.

    Which leads me to the question. I knew many seemingly holy conservative priests in NO who had some very intricate callings to vocation stories. Compelling. Most traditional priests do not have. Some I have asked and they don't have one. I find this very odd. Anyone else?
    An example here from a NO priest who helped me in past.
    https://aleteia.org/2015/03/03/the-day-god-barged-into-my-life-fr-john-riccardos-amazing-testimony/

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      Don't be decieved by "signs and wonders." Some of the holiest priests pre-V2 had no "miraculous calling." Fr. DePauw's calling was quite "ordinary"!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Ok thanks! So most of conservative NO are just in some sort of trance? Deceived by signs amd wonders?

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    3. @anon8:13
      From theologian Berry:
      "The prophesies of the Apocalypse show that Satan will imitate the Church of Christ to deceive mankind; he will set up a church of Satan in opposition to the Church of Christ. Antichrist will assume the role of Messias; his prophet will act the part of the Pope, and there will be imitations of the Sacraments of the Church. There will also be lying wonders in imitation of the miracles wrought in the Church." ("The Church of Christ," pgs. 65-66).

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  13. Introibo,

    Excellent article! Your work is fantastic! To the best of my knowledge, I have known two Feeneyites in my life. There could be others but two come to mind immediately. One is a Novus Ordo Feeneyite and the other is a Sedevacantist Feeneyite. The Novus Ordo Feeneyite sees Feeney as a hero. She said he was excommunicated for his disobedience, not his doctrine, and that he was reconciled with the church (Novus Ordo that is) in 1972 and was never forced to recant his teachings. This of course is blatantly wrong, as you have demonstrated in many of your writings now. She has other issues too. The other Feeneyite I have known is a Sedevacantist. He has many problems. He is a strict home aloner. I cannot fault him for this due to the fact that he had a negative experience at a Sedevacantist church. There are many people who unfortunately have had bad experiences at Sede churches/chapels and there are a lot of weird trads out there who make this harder on people who are trying to embrace the traditional faith and learn everything on their own. His Feeneyism stems from the Dimond Brothers videos and articles. He also is a vacancy pusher and he holds to other very bizarre things. I do not have much hope for either one of these people but hopefully one day they see the errors of their ways. Feeneyism has affected people in the Novus Ordo and Sedevacantism alike and there are Feeneyites among the ranks of both.

    -TradWarrior

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      Amazing how the V2 sect will accept Feeneyites when they teach universalism! Anything goes as long as it's not the truth! Just to be clear, you are correct that Feeny was excommunicated for heresy not "disobedience."

      He was, however, received into the Vatican II sect by Montini without having to recent his heresy, so the V2 sect Feeneyites can claim he was "vindicated." As sedevacantists, we know Montini was not a true pope, so it means nothing.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  14. Through the years, I have seen many large families. In an age where contraception is prevalent everywhere, it is nice to see many large families. Some of the families that I have seen though through the years, I often wonder if there was underlying Feeneyite thinking among some of them. By that I mean, some of these families seemed to think that they “weren’t really Catholic” unless they physically had as many children as they possibly could. The Catholic Church does not condone that type of thinking, as Introibo mentioned. While we definitely need more strong Catholic families, some of the ones that I have seen through the years seemed to think that they had to have as many children as they possibly could or they were sinning. Once again, “In Medio Stat Veritas” is something that people have trouble with. In the middle lies the truth. Some families cannot have many children due to fertility issues. Some can have very large families. Others are somewhere in the middle. Every situation is different and NFP (when done for good reasons) has always been the teaching of the church.

    -TradWarrior

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    1. One of my best friends comes from family of 16 siblings. They were well known and there are articles in the paper about them in major.city. They are NO and have zero clue about truth. Their mother died after working her whole life. Father died young. They had no clue about true faith. What happens to all these people who led holy lives yet deceived? Doesn't sound good according to Bp Sanborn. So perhaps hope for none of us?

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      I'm not really certain what you're asserting here. Why do you say "So perhaps hope for none of us?"

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. I meant....
      So perhaps no hope for any of us?
      All is very scary.
      Saints say almost no one is saved.
      St Leonard of Port Maurice...and our Lord...few find the narrow path!

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    4. If you want to despair and jump into hell with open eyes, at least keep it to yourself. You should know that despair is a mortal sin, and none goes to Heaven who thinks he can't possibly go there. Go touch grass and stop assuming this people were actually holy.

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    5. Poni, in all honesty, why would you say that?
      These are the blackest times the Church has ever seen and a little sympathy from a fellow Catholic goes a long way.
      There is a world of a difference between being depressed and actual despair; I guess anon 9:16 has been experiencing the former.

      As for the family of 16 children, God only knows what the state of their souls is. Poor victims of Vatican 2. May God have mercy on them.

      anon 9:16
      Please pray for the grace of final perseverance, especially through the intercession of Our Lady and St. Joseph. This is the greatest of graces that we cannot merit and must be prayed for your whole life.
      St. Alphonsus sums it up best when he says "he who prays, is saved; he who prays not, is damned".

      Some words of encouragement from Catholic Encyclopedia (1911):

      Theologians unite in saying that final perseverance comes under the impetrative power of prayer and St. Liguori (Prayer, the great means of Salvation) would make it the dominant note and burden of our daily petitions. The sometimes distressing presentation of the present matter in the pulpit is due to the many sides of the problem, the impossibility of viewing them all in one sermon, and the idiosyncrasies of the speakers. Nor should the timorousness of the saints, graphically described by Newman, be so construed as to contradict the admonition of the Council of Trent, that "all should place the firmest hope in the succour of God". Singularly comforting is the teaching of such saints as St. Francis de Sales (Camus, "The Spirit of St. Francis de Sales", III, xiii) and St. Catherine of Genoa (Treatise of Purgatory, iv). They dwell on God's great mercy in granting final perseverance, and even in the case of notorious sinners they do not lose hope: God suffuses the sinners' dying hour with an extraordinary light and, showing them the hideousness of sin contrasting with His own infinite beauty, He makes a final appeal to them. For those only who, even then, obstinately cling to their sin does the saying of Sirach 5:7, assume a sombre meaning "mercy and wrath quickly come from him, and his wrath looketh upon sinners".

      God Bless You,
      Joanna

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    6. I thought being harsh was the only way of preventing this person from despairing. As in a "get behind me Satan."

      Maybe I went too far, if so, I apologize.

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    7. No worries Poni. I certainly don't want to jump into hell. Just get conflicting info even from sede priests all the time so it is very confusing. Hard doing this all alone. Not sure what info I get is accurate, legitimate etc.

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    8. Of course there is hope. If there were none, all of this would have ended earlier. Calvin will not be proven correct, and neither will Feeney.

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    9. Poni,
      My readers and I know you are a good person. No worries!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    10. Poni,
      I overreacted in response to your comment. Please accept my apologies.

      God Bless You,
      Joanna

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    11. JOANNA...I truly loved your defense of me. No one does so...don't doubt yourself for one moment! God bless

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  15. Thank you so much Joanna! This is so helpful. I only made it to sede camp last year and all is so confusing trying to unlearn all that was learned in NO and then 5 years in R&R. Yes, finding out I've never had any valid sacraments my whole life is devastating. I was conditionally baptized my a local person because of advice received here and then the sede priest who instructs me sometimes never got around to getting back to me and then told me it was an objective sacrilege what I did. I don't know any sede people except here. Yes, I pray for final perseverance daily. Yes Poni I don't know for sure if the people are holy, I meant seemingly.
    God bless all.

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    2. No not offended Poni. I ground every day BTW. I only worry if I offend Him. God bless.

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  16. Even if Msgrs. Dimonds were correct, which they aren't, look at how they speak to people with whom they disagree?

    They will not admit it, but they think that they are the Catholic Church. (God help us!)

    If they are the CC, aren't they supposed to be like Our Lord Jesus Christ? Even to His enemies, the very people who would kill Him, or, like Judas, betray Him, he was kind. Look at how he treats Judas:
    FRIEND, whereto art thou come?

    Jesus calls Judas "friend" as a last-ditch effort to bring Judas back to grace. Wouldn't you just melt if the Lord, even in your sinfulness, of which I personally am 100% guilty, called you "Friend"?

    Compare that with Dimondite language and you can clearly see how un-Christlike they are. They won't call you FRIEND!

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      Fred and Bobby won't even call you late for dinner! "Liar," and worse epithets are all they know. Their followers are just as nasty.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  17. One of your best writings Introibo.Great,thank you.

    Have you done anything ever on JP2's Theology of the body?In brief what are your thoughts?

    God bless

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    1. I have an opinion on JP2. His theology was bad; and, as bad as that was, his body was worse. He was kind of plump towards the end there.

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      No, I have not written a post on Wojtyla's 'Theology of the Body." It is both humanistic and inane. The body of a man is made for the body of a woman--who would have thought that!!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. In my opinion, there are more urgent or pressing matters, for Introibo to deal with, than JP2's 1980s TOB = "Theology of the Body". That was over 40 years ago, and a variety of Internet literature already exists, that is critical of this TOB theologizing. An interesting addition to this literature, found in a 15 June ARSH 2025 biz blog post of Ann Barnhardt, gives a brief philosophical analysis of why TOB is, in her words, "deeply problematic." Ann twice mentions JP2, and just like a sedevacantist would do, she seemingly very conspicuously or very adamantly (???), twice refuses to put the word "Pope" in front of "JP2". Maybe this was a "Freudian slip" type of thing. Or, maybe not. Who knows, aside from Ann herself? At any rate, it appears that TOB is so "deeply problematic" that it may even have succeeded in unpope-ing Wojtyla in the eyes of Ann. But one wonders why the highly erudite and intellectual academician Ratzinger (= a true pope from 2005 to 2022 according to Ann) apparently never saw anything problematic about TOB? Did JP2's TOB, which Introibo calls "inane" above, dupe even Ratzinger, who it would seem at least tacitly approved of it, even if for no other reason than failing from 1980 to 2022, to caution us about what is dangerous in it?

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      Ratzinger was a heretic at V2 for the ring leader of the Modernists; Joseph Cardinal Frings. TOB didn't dupe him; he agreed with anything but the truth.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  18. I just saw on fakebook Dave Nix...NO priest saying children killed today (he called them kids) are likely martyrs. In a NO church? This is another effect of novus disorder...death everywhere there. So sad.
    Fr Hughes gave a much more strict definition of martyrdom in a recent teaching.

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      The Vatican II sect will not address the elephant in the room---the shooter was trans-insane. The acceptance of homosexuality and now trans-insanity has taken us where we are; when the insane become "normal" this is what happens.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Yes. And the mother who worked at the "catholic" school helped him go trans/insane.
      So pathetic and sad.

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  19. This is a valuable insight into trans-insanity situation, from a medical professional. Via R&R blog NonVeniPacem.org:

    https://nonvenipacem.org/2025/08/28/the-predominant-cause-of-the-trans-epidemic-mothers-with-mental-illness/

    I am a professional counselor specializing in sexual and identity issues. I’ve worked with many young men and women who suffer with this condition, both those who wish to go through the mutilation process and those who wish to be cured of their disordered feelings.

    In nearly every case, I have had the opportunity to get to know the parents of these young people. In every single case, the mother has severe unresolved mental health issues like Depression, Borderline Personality Disorder, and/or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. There was even a study done in 1991 comparing the moms of boys with Gender Identity Disorder to the moms of normal boys. 100% of the moms of boys with GID were found to have clinically significant mental health problems of the kind stated above.

    We see another type of psychopathology in the mothers who try to turn the sons into “trans” kids, namely Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. These mothers are different than the ones above in that these mothers are intentionally trying to make their kids “trans” for the purpose of showing that they are great and attentive mothers.

    The mothers from the study above aren’t intending to turn their kids “trans”, and many times are horrified at it. These mothers more fit the “devouring mother” archetype who uses the son for emotional gratification and scapegoating.

    If you want to stop these shooters, we have to address psychopathology in women. For the Munchausen cases, those women need intensive and long-term inpatient care and be kept away from their children. The “devouring mothers” need serious help as well, and these women cannot be relied upon to get help for themselves. They must be compelled.

    These acts of terrorism by people calling themselves “transgender” will not cease if the upstream causes are not addressed.

    Matthew Sciba, M.Ed.
    Tyler, Texas

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    1. Yes Matthew Sciba, thanks for posting this. I think so many people today, thanks in part to all the meds they are addicted to, are Munchausen or Munchausen by proxy!

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      Thank you for the link to Mr. Sciba's astute observations!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. Have you ever written on manifesting and channeling? I think that I remember reading about it in one of your articles on the occult stuff but I can't find it anymore

      God bless

      Ivan

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    4. Ivan
      Read this post on "mediums"
      https://www.blogger.com/blog/posts/6466183320330735196?q=theresa%20caputo

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  20. https://spiritdaily.org/blog/a-priests-close-call/

    Another Martyr in the making in the NO. I really wonder about these incidents. Would God use people like this to do His will? Like the destruction of Jerusalem temple? I think people do these things because they found no justice from all the predator priests and they are still prancing about...

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      You write: "I think people do these things because they found no justice from all the predator priests and they are still prancing about..."

      Reply: I agree with you 100%

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  21. Introibo:

    1. What do you think of truecatholiccarmel.com? It is a Feeneyite priest named Fr. Anthony Short, who used to be with CMRI. He has a link to the Dimond brothers on the homepage!

    2. If somebody is going to SSPX out of "necessity", how much should they be involved with them?

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      1. Incredibly sad. The CMRI gives solid formation, there's no way this priest could be ignorant of Church teaching. Anyone connected with Fred and Bobby has serious issues mentally as well as spiritually. Let's pray that the priest recovers from his apostasy, and whatever else troubles him that he may be Traditionalist Catholic once more.

      2. It depends upon the faith of the person. One strong in the Faith could use it as an opportunity to witness for the truth. Be careful in how you do it-- a sede will most likely get kicked out! One not so strong in the faith should go for the Mass and Sacraments ONLY.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. The CMRI has a very sordid history. We only know about the accounts and testimony they gave to put everyone at ease but who knows if we will ever get the full story about The CMRI. Francis Schuckhardt had many serious issues based on many accounts, but we will perhaps never know all that went on there regarding the power struggles and abuse. I would like to know more about Fr. Denis Chicoine. I will not make false accusations or believe accounts unless they are highly credible, or undeniably truthful, but there still many unanswered questions about Fr. Benedict, Bishop Pivarunas, and Fr. Denis Chicoine. What did they know? What motivations did they have in taking over? Is everything they said about Schuckardt demonstrably true? I’ve met quite a few CMRI priests. Most often, I go to one secular priest under The CMRI for the sacraments. Some of them are not as well formed as they should be. Priests need seven years to be fully formed. Bishop Pivarunas ordains priests after 4-5 years. He is all about mass centers and there have been former seminarians/priests who left and at least one who said the formation was not up to standard. I have my concerns. There seems to be an effort for quantity over quality.

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  22. P6 Body Double Commentator (Part 4)

    In Introibo's previous post of Aug 18, he made mention of "Bayside" and the "Impostor pope". The book "The Seer of Bayside", by Joseph P. Laycock (Oxford Univ. Press, 2014) is neither pro nor anti Bayside, but composed in a detached or neutral academic style. In the brief Amazon blurb describing this book, it is noted, inter alia, that: "Baysiders are critical of the Church hierarchy, which they believe are corrupted by modernism, and reject ultra-traditionalist Catholic groups who believe the papal see is vacant." - Not only that, but the Bayside "Madonna" was anti-SSPX too, and totally Novus Ordo. What an irony, in light of what Mario D. just published this past week in a NOW post of Aug. 25 titled: "The Unsolvable Pendulum Problem of the SSPX":

    "If, therefore, it is abundantly clear (as it is today) that what passes itself off as the papal magisterium, all the while teaching the foulest and most obvious errors and blasphemies which the pre-Vatican II Faith REQUIRES a Catholic to reject, then it is the Catholic Faith -- and not personal pride or vanity -- that obliges us to identify such a 'Pope' for what he truly is = a charlatan, a pretender, a FALSE pope! Therefore, the scenario envisioned by the Society of St. Pius X -- in which the Holy See has defected and must return to the Faith that is being safeguarded in the meantime by the Lefebvrist Society -- is absurd, blasphemous and heretical. In fact, as we have seen [via previously cited papal quotations], the very pre-Vatican II Faith of which the SSPX considers itself to be the extraordinary guardian, precludes such a situation."

    Charlatan? Pretender? Impostor. Impostor. In other words, the core problem identified here with the SSPX, is the exact same as the problem with Bayside. This is why we would have to view the Bayside Jesus as being an Impostor Jesus, and the Bayside Madonna, as being an Impostor Madonna too. They promote an impostor (ordinary and universal) magisterium, of an Impostor (= pseudo-Catholic = V2) Council. The Bayside Madonna criticizes the SSPX for adopting the "sifter" or "safeguarder" or "guardian" roles. But then this "Madonna", exercises these very same roles herself (!), at least until the seer(ess) Veronica died 30 years ago, at which point "She" orphaned her children. There are quite a few heresies and absurdities found in the Bayside messages. They are covered in the Aug. 27, 2023 Unam Sanctam Catholicam .com blog post titled "Problems with the Bayside Apparitions".

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  23. https://www.youtube.com/live/nbRle241Y8I?si=iSs1NtGbzXg4MjZx

    In this video approx 1 hrs 7 min. Bp Sanborn talks about Card. Newman, negatively for a few minutes. Fyi.

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      Bp. Sanborn is a good bishop but not without problems. His insistence of making sedeprivationism "dogma" is his biggest problem.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  24. P6 Body Double Commentator (Part 5)

    https://www.nycgovparks.org/highlights/papal-visit-to-nyc-parks , is a webpage found hypertext-linked in the endnotes of the Wikipedia article "1965 visit by Pope Paul VI to the United States", in which you can see a close-up photo of the inscription found on the Bayside apparition site concrete monument. The "Bayside Bishop" from 1968 to 1990, was Francis Mugavero, who denounced "the Bayside Movement" in a declaration made public, dated Nov. 4, 1986. The thing that most irked Mugavero about Bayside, as he notes in that 1986 text, was that allegedly "for years, an "impostor (sic) Pope" governed the Catholic Church in place of Paul VI". A Bayside message of Oct. 3, 1991 rebuked Mugavero, who by then had recently died, by stating that: "Some ecclesiastics in the highest positions in the hierarchy... drugged the good Pope, censored his mail, forged his documents, and finally staged an impostor to complete their sinister plan." - It would seem that "St." JP2 ("the Great") must have been "in" (??) on this conspiracy too, as "Casaroli the Forgerer" (or merely Forger-Accomplice?) was kept on by him as his chief collaborator (= Secretary of State) from 1979 to 1990. Next, as can be seen from Mugavero's wiki page, Mugavero was the one and only "master of ceremonies", precisely at would be the Bayside apparition site, to welcome the visit of an impostor pope (= the real Montini (!), on Oct. 4, 1965). The concrete monument at the apparition site, as you see it at the webpage noted above, says that the visit of "Pope Paul VI" "symbolized the brotherhood of man [and] the spirit of ecumenism". Indeed. So it seems. Creepy? Masonic? A Masonic Madonna (= Lady Liberty) sits in the NYC harbor, not very far away.

    In 1971, John Lennon of the John-Paul-George-Ringo quartet, moved to NYC, where he later was assassinated. In that same year, 1971, he released what many consider to be his most famous song, "Imagine". That song has been described as an Ode or Anthem to the Antichrist, and to the AC's "New World Order". To quote 8 lines of it:

    Imagine there's no heaven
    It's easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man

    That last line looks like it may have had as its inspiration, the words inscribed on the concrete, at the Bayside apparition site. As for the "Dimond Brothers", the subject of this blog post, they have been active in exposing the Impostor Lucy since around the time TIA was, in 2006. They obviously regard the real Montini to be "an impostor pope". And if my memory about this is still good, they also went on the record a long time ago as stating that they think that Montini did have a body double, sometimes active at the Vatican, in the mid 1970s. So they and I agree on some things at least, even if we (strenuously) disagree on BOD and some other matters. (The blog title above contains the word "Dimondite", just as the Dimonds themselves referred to followers of N. Gruner as being "Grunerites". I am not a "Dimondite", and I agree with Introibo's criticisms of them.) I assume that none of us are Luekenites = Baysiders.

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      Bayside is pure nonsense. Heretical, evil, and fake like a 3 dollar bill !

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  25. That song put many under a spell! Sad! Da good Archbishop wilton Gregory sent me a note...he used a John Lennon stamp. Appropos

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  26. It seems heaven's dancing would be much different than our view and definition of dancing?

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      Well David danced and so did the Jews at the time of Jesus. This all took place on Earth--and was never condemned. The dancing was not the type condemned by the Church--that much is certain.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  27. NO priest spoke out about sodomite NO bishops...fyi
    https://frmichaelbriese.substack.com/p/parents-families?fbclid=IwdGRjcAMhoJRjbGNrAyGghWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEeF7QUKU81EyvnYkZUJxRIFv78olLvUNLl5kEwer0j7Kzga7oc4X1y3DTrR0w_aem_gMh4oeQOA2EH2tlJnFvqGg

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  28. https://www.fromrome.info/2025/08/30/are-the-children-killed-by-the-transgendered-terrorist-martyrs/

    Can anyone clarify? Is it even possible for children who think they are Catholic to be martyrs? It seems like the NO pope declaring many Protestants martyrs? I certainly hope and pray these children were saved!

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  29. https://spiritdaily.org/blog/a-i-creates-poem-to-virgin-mary/

    Even AI doesn't know Medjugorje is false.

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  30. A POST from Dimonds...they say some who have wrong opinion not heretics.
    https://x.com/vaticancatholic/status/1961156378338472238?fbclid=IwY2xjawMh0c5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHjt1IHs0fnN13QaOLYQkoL3C_iDNuQh9_OdVC2azPapDx5wPfBXCaGw2HcBr_aem_Jv7bxy2I8ELQATSamvWsNA

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      Thank you for this further display of deception from the Dimwits. It is not directed at me, but is full of errors.

      MHFM: "No saint in Church history believed and taught what you do, namely, that souls can be saved in non-Christian religions."

      Reply: No Catholic ever believed this; a strawman argument. If some cleric were to say this, it is not Catholic teaching on BOD/BOB.

      MHFM: "Pope Pius X, Acerbo Nimis, April 15, 1905: “And so Our Predecessor, Benedict XIV, had just cause to write: ‘We declare that a great number of those who are condemned to eternal punishment suffer that everlasting calamity because of ignorance of those mysteries of faith which must be known and believed in order to be numbered among the elect.’”

      Reply: God can infuse, prior to death, sanctifying grace with the knowledge necessary to attain salvation. The recipient of BOD dies within the Church. No contradiction with Pope St. Pius X.

      MHFM: " With regard to his [Pope St. Pius X] approval of the catechism, it’s important to note that he was not the author of the catechism. Just because a pope approves a book for a certain segment of the Church doesn’t make that book’s contents definitive or prove that there cannot be problematic elements in it. Van Noort admits as much."

      Reply: Whether or not he is the author, Pope St. Pius X read and approved the catechism that bears his name and teaches BOD/BOB. fred and Bobby teach that BOD/BOB are HERESY. The pope cannot promote heresy, even in his non-infallible capacity. If he did, that is a sure sign he is not a true pope as St. Alphonsus teaches. Van Noort teaches a pope can promulgate heresy??? I'd LOVE to see that citation!

      MHFM: "Do you even know that Pope Pius X required the use of the Summa Theologiae for higher schools in Italy? Well, according to your dumb argument, that would mean that he was a heretic because the Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas contradicts the Immaculate Conception and Pius X commanded its use after 1854."

      Reply: Yes, HIGHER SCHOOLS. The Summa is meant for academics and students of higher learning. Aquinas' teaching is kept in there so as to understand his reasoning at the time. It is not a Catechism to teach the Faith to simple laity. Big Difference. The students will be taught that it doesn't apply and some editions of the Summa (one I have) have a Notice that the section of the Summa on that point does not apply since 1854.

      MHFM: "Third, we don’t hold that everyone who holds the wrong opinion on ‘BOD’ is by that fact a heretic. They must be obstinate."

      Reply: How is that determined? Answer: Fred and Bobby will tell you. It always ends up being any person who disagrees with them. They are NEVER charitable. They know with infallible certainty who is obstinate, just as they know that fate of all deceased.

      Fred and Bobby purposefully deceptive or hopelessly clueless? You decide.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thanks so much for refuting Introibo!

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    3. Have you seen their property? It seems they have scammed many to live in such a lovely place! Scary.

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  31. Haha. Guessing AI is part of the plot to deceive the world. Can't be? Wink.

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  32. I know a lady in her late 80s...she just told.my sister a story of injuries she kept sustaining in NO church. Anyone confused? Don't be. It is evil!

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  33. I told others same about evil novus ordo! They said I am going to hell for leaving true Church

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      Tell them their "true Church" declares all religions a path to God as they contain "elements of the Truth," so Hell is probably empty and you need not worry. As Bergoglio said "Atheists can go to Heaven," so no big deal!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  34. https://youtu.be/vYr4efA06nI?si=H8SN_j6tkafI5ykA
    An excellent sermon for this Sunday! Yes a sede priest.

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      I agree with the priest that the word "love" in modern songs is misdirected in many cases. He draws a false conclusion that they are always wrong because they always mean passionate/disordered love. He reminds me of a SSPX priest who told Fr. DePauw that TV was "intrinsically evil" and the mere watching of the evening news was "mortal sin." Father DePauw dedicated a 40 minute sermon on the proper morality of TV--and said the SSPX priest would never have passed his Moral Theology course at a real seminary pre-Vatican II. Ditto for this priest.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Interesting! Ok well I don't know what priests to trust as many also saying conflicting things. Thanks.

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  35. Do yourself a favor, and read the blog post "Do-It-Yourself Theology". It is an Introibo post of 15 May 2017, about the D.B. = Dimond Brothers. Deja vu all over again??? There were lots of comments to that post. What has changed over the past 8+ years with regard to the D.B. subjects of this post, Fred and Bobby?? Anything?? Does anyone know of anything to relate about how they have corrected anything Introibo has pointed out, about what he considers to be their theological errors??

    The photo of some stereotypical "Dimondite" at the top of this 25 Aug. post, reminds me of the "bizarro mugshot" of the guy seen at the top of Introibo's 26 Nov. 2018 post, to accompany his "A Satanic Panic?" article title. They both look like "weirdos", don't they?

    Real mugshots of the D.B. can be seen at the top of blog post of 2017 noted above. Maybe one of these years, sometime in the future, Eric Hoyle will publish a book about what it was like to live at the MHFM with the D.B. = Dimwit Brothers = Dubia Brothers = Dubious Benedictines.

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      The shot on "A Satanic Panic" was of Ricky Kaso, the Satan worshipper on Long Island who ritualistically murdered his friend and committed suicide in jail when he was apprehended. He looks possessed.

      A Hole book would be interesting!!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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