"Development of doctrine" means different things to Traditionalists and Modernists. As Vatican II and the sect it spawned changed what was believed into falsehoods, they claimed it was the same teaching that had "evolved" or "developed." Unfortunately, over 60 years after the sect was established, many Traditionalists think
any change is "Modernist," and not just in matters of doctrine, but even matters of discipline. Some erroneously go so far as to suggest that Pope Pius XII was "Modernist" in truncating the Eucharistic fast from the midnight before reception of Holy Communion to three hours before receiving.
What, exactly, constitutes a legitimate development of doctrine? What makes it legitimate? Isn't doctrine immutable? Is any change "Modernist" evolution? This post will try and address these fundamental questions. First, I must speak about the man who gave the best way to distinguish true from false development of doctrine.
The great John Henry Cardinal Newman (1801-1890) had a methodology for distinguishing true development from Modernist evolution. Although virtuous and orthodox, I cannot call him "saint" since his "canonization" came from Begoglio--a false pope---in 2019. Likewise, I cannot call him a "Doctor of the Church" as that designation came from Prevost in 2025. You might be wondering "If he's orthodox, why is he given honors by the Vatican II sect?" I will explain how Newman's work was hijacked (so to speak) by the Modernists to make it seem like he was one of their own and therefore Modernist evolution of dogma must be "orthodox."
The primary source of this post is Newman's book An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine (1878 edition). I have also culled much information both online and in print. I take no credit except for condensing all this information into a terse and readable post.
Modernist Evolution of Doctrine
Modernism is an amalgamation of errors. It begins with agnosticism. According
to this teaching, human reason is confined entirely within the field of phenomena,
which means things that appear to the senses, and it has no power to overstep
these limits. Since we cannot know (or even infer) to the existence of things
outside the scope of phenomena, the human intellect is incapable of knowing the
existence of God.
As a result, Modernism denies the supernatural as
an object of certain knowledge. The Modernists who challenge all rational
proof of the existence of God as the First Cause of everything in existence,
both material and spiritual, fall victims to a "scientific
agnosticism." For these, God is something which comes forth from man's
subconscious. Religion is therefore essentially about feelings,
specifically what makes you feel good; if
Christianity, or any other religion, is what makes you feel good and more in
touch with the Divine, then it is true for you.
Religion has never consisted of creeds or objective truth but of feelings. This
doctrine is known as vital immanence. Religion
is a feeling or sentiment that comes from a subconscious need for
the Divine.
Modernists regard Divine Revelation as a purely natural emergence of
religious knowledge from a natural sense known as the "religious
sense." There is no "One True Church" and no Deposit of
Revelation that needs to be guarded.
The Modernist God is not transcendent; He is not "out there"
but "totally within." As St. Pius X explained in Pascendi,
the Modernist God was no more than a symbol and that "the personality of
God will become a matter of doubt and the gate will be opened to
pantheism." Do you notice how much of the Vatican II sect is infested with
Eastern religion and philosophy, such as yoga and reiki? Have you seen in Nostra
Aetate, how the Second Vatican (Robber) Council acknowledged "the
good" that is in Hinduism and Buddhism? It comes from this erroneous idea
of a "God within us all."
Since God is unknowable (as are miracles), the Bible cannot be held as
historically accurate. We cannot consider Christ as God, or give credence to
miracles.
Dogmas are taught to be subject to evolution from one
meaning to another. As man's religious feelings evolve, so must
dogma. Dogma evolves into whatever accommodates the needs of the current
culture.
"Same name, different meaning." When Modernists talk about
Traditional doctrine, they affirm it with a different meaning so they sound
orthodox while remaining heretics. When they profess, for example, "Our
faith is based upon the Resurrection of Jesus Christ;" it could mean His
physical and historical Resurrection as the Church teaches, or simply a
symbolic story which was invented by the first Christians to promote faith in
Christ who rose only in the mind of His believers.
Catholic dogma is but a common consciousness of the
believers. Thus, prompted by this "common
consciousness," the believers came together in a society [Church] to
formulate and systematize its beliefs. This (according to the Modernists) is
how the Magisterium of the Church began.
Condemnation by Pope St. Pius X
In 1907, Pope St. Pius X solemnly condemned sixty-five (65) propositions of the Modernists in Lamentabili Sane. Condemned propositions numbers 53 to 65 deal with Modernist evolution of doctrine.
CONDEMNED:
53. The organic constitution of the Church is not immutable. Like human society, Christian society is subject to a perpetual evolution.
54. Dogmas, Sacraments and hierarchy, both their notion and reality, are only interpretations and evolutions of the Christian intelligence which have increased and perfected by an external series of additions the little germ latent in the Gospel.
55. Simon Peter never even suspected that Christ entrusted the primacy in the Church to him.
56. The Roman Church became the head of all the churches, not through the ordinance of Divine Providence, but merely through political conditions.
57. The Church has shown that she is hostile to the progress of the natural and theological sciences.
58. Truth is no more immutable than man himself, since it evolved with him, in him, and through him.
59. Christ did not teach a determined body of doctrine applicable to all times and all men, but rather inaugurated a religious movement adapted or to be adapted to different times and places.
60. Christian Doctrine was originally Judaic. Through successive evolutions it became first Pauline, then Joannine, finally Hellenic and universal.
61. It may be said without paradox that there is no chapter of Scripture, from the first of Genesis to the last of the Apocalypse, which contains a doctrine absolutely identical with that which the Church teaches on the same matter. For the same reason, therefore, no chapter of Scripture has the same sense for the critic and the theologian.
62. The chief articles of the Apostles’ Creed did not have the same sense for the Christians of the first ages as they have for the Christians of our time.
63. The Church shows that she is incapable of effectively maintaining evangelical ethics since she obstinately clings to immutable doctrines which cannot be reconciled with modern progress.
64. Scientific progress demands that the concepts of Christian doctrine concerning God, creation, revelation, the Person of the Incarnate Word, and Redemption be re-adjusted.
65. Modern Catholicism can be reconciled with true science only if it is transformed into a non-dogmatic Christianity; that is to say, into a broad and liberal Protestantism.
In summation, according to Modernism, doctrine:
1. Shifts and changes; old dogmas can take on completely new meanings to suit the times.
2. Changes so completely over generations that it becomes something entirely new.
3. Has as its source internal human consciousness and subjective religious experience.
The One True Church and Development of Doctrine
Newman sets forth seven "notes" (or tests) to distinguish an authentic development from a counterfeit or corruption. Here is each one in summary:
1. Preservation of Type
The outward appearance and structure may change, but the essential character and "look" must remain the same. Think of a tiny acorn growing into a massive oak tree. It looks completely different, but it retains the "type" or identity of an oak tree, not a apple tree. True doctrinal development looks like the adult version of the young Church, not a completely different creature. This is readily suggested by the analogy of physical growth, which is such that the parts and proportions of the developed form, however altered, correspond to those which belong to its rudiments. The adult animal has the same make, as it had on its birth; young birds do not grow into fishes, nor does the child degenerate into the brute, wild or domestic, of which he is by inheritance lord. Vincentius of Lerins adopts this illustration in distinct reference to Christian doctrine. "Let the soul's religion," he says "imitate the law of the body, which, as years go on develops indeed and opens out its due proportions, and yet remains identically what it was. Small are a baby's limbs, a youths are larger, yet they are the same." (An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, pgs. 190-191).
2. Continuity of Principles
The underlying rules, foundational values, and methods that drive the idea must never change. If a doctrine was originally built on the principles of prayer, the reality of sin, and the importance of sacraments, any new development must also rely on those same foundations. If the underlying principles shift, it is a corruption, not growth. Principle is a better test of heresy than doctrine. Heretics are true to their principles, but change to and fro, backwards and forwards, in opinion; for very opposite doctrines may be exemplifications of the same principle. Thus, the Antiochenes and other heretics sometimes were Arians, sometimes Sabellians, sometimes Nestorians, sometimes Monophysites, as if at random, from fidelity to their common principle, that there is no mystery in theology. Thus, Calvinists become Unitarians from the principle of private judgment. The doctrines of heresy are accidents and soon run to an end; its principles are everlasting. (Ibid, pg 197).
3. Power of Assimilation
A living, healthy idea can interact with outside cultures, languages, and philosophies, absorbing what is good and using it to express itself better. ust like a healthy human body takes in food from the outside world and uses it to grow stronger, a true doctrine takes in new intellectual concepts or cultural settings and weaves them into the existing faith without losing its own identity. Thus, a power of development is a proof of life, not only in its essay, but especially in its success; for a mere formula either does not expand or is shattered in expanding. A living idea becomes many, yet remains one.(Ibid pg. 206).
4. Logical Sequence
Later developments should be the natural, logical next step of what came before, even if it takes centuries to clearly state them. A true teaching doesn't pop out of nowhere as a sudden surprise. When you look backward through history, you should be able to see a clear trail of breadcrumbs showing how the early beliefs naturally and logically led to the later conclusion. Thus, the holy Apostles would without words know all the truths concerning the high doctrines of theology, which controversialists after them have piously and charitably reduced to formulae, and developed through argument. Thus, St. Justin or St. Irenaeus might be without any digested ideas of Purgatory or Original Sin, yet have an intense feeling, which they had not defined or located, both of the fault of our first nature and the responsibilities of our nature regenerate.(Ibid, pg. 212).
5. Anticipation of Its Future
Early in the history of an idea, you can often find early hints, tendencies, or "vague sketches" of what will later become full-blown doctrine. Long before a doctrine is officially defined by the Church, early saints and writers will drop hints or practice devotions that show they were already feeling out the truth that would later be formally taught. In the controversies with the Gnostics, in the second century, striking anticipations occasionally occur, in the works of their Catholic opponents, of the formal dogmatic teaching developed in the Church in the course of the Nestorian and Monophysite controversies in the fifth. (Ibid, pg. 219).
6. Conservative Action Upon Its Past
A true development protects, illustrates, and strengthens the doctrines that came before it, rather than contradicting or erasing them. rue growth is conservative; it doesn't overturn previous dogmas. If a new teaching makes an old teaching obsolete or wrong, it is not a development—it is a corruption.
A true development, then, may be described as one which is conservative of the course of antecedent developments being really those antecedents and something besides them: it is an addition which illustrates, not obscures, corroborates, not corrects, the body of thought from which it proceeds; and this is its characteristic as contrasted with a corruption. (Ibid, pg. 223).
7. Chronic Vigor
A false idea or corruption burns out quickly, causes immediate decay, or loses its grip on people over time. A true development lasts and stays vibrant across centuries. Time is the ultimate test. If a theological idea has "chronic vigor," it means it doesn't just flare up like a fad and vanish. It has a long, robust, enduring life that continues to nourish the faithful century after century.
While ideas live in men's minds, they are ever enlarging into fuller development: they will not be stationary in their corruption any more than before it; and dissolution is that further state to which corruption tends. Corruption cannot, therefore, be of long standing; and thus duration is another test of a faithful development.(Ibid, pg. 226).
The Seven Notes Applied To Papal Supremacy
To illustrate how these notes are applied, let's look at papal supremacy.
1. Preservation of Type: The Church has always had an explicit structure, a hierarchy, and an essential drive to remain united as one global body. In the 1st century, the Church looked like a localized kingdom with local leaders; over time, it became a global kingdom. The "type" (a visible, structured, unified kingdom) never changed. The Pope emerged to keep that global structure intact, meaning the original "look" of a unified Church was preserved.
2. Continuity of Principles: The core principle is that Christ gave Peter the keys and promised that the Church would never fail. The underlying principle is "divine authority keeps the Church unified." The modern papacy operates on that exact same principle. If the Church decided it didn't need a single center of unity, that would be breaking the principle (a corruption). The Pope is just the permanent manifestation of Peter's authority.
3. Power of Assimilation: As the Roman Empire crumbled and European politics shifted, the papacy absorbed legal, political, and cultural structures to protect the faith. The Pope took on titles (like Pontifex Maximus) and legal administrative tools from ancient Rome. The Church didn't become pagan; rather, it "digested" secular Roman structures and used them to organize, govern, and protect the global Christian community.
4. Logical Sequence: Newman argues that a global church logically requires a global arbiter. While the Apostles were alive, their personal authority kept everyone in line. When they died, local conflicts arose, creating a need for local bishops. When local bishops began arguing across different regions, the Church logically needed a single, final court of appeal. The papacy is the next natural step in solving the problem of division.
5. Anticipation of Its Future: Long before the Pope was formally running everything, there were early historical "hints" of his supreme authority. Newman points to early history: in the 1st century, Pope Clement intervened in a dispute in Corinth while the Apostle John was likely still alive. In the 2nd century, Pope Victor regulated the date of Easter for the whole Church. These weren't fully formed modern papal decrees, but they were clear "vague sketches" of the authority to come.
6. Conservative Action Upon Its Past: The growth of papal power did not undo or contradict the authority of local bishops or previous councils; it protected them. Newman points out that during major early crises (like the council of Chalcedon in 449 AD), it was Pope Leo the Great's direct intervention that saved orthodox Christian teaching from being hijacked by heretics. The Pope's authority acted as a shield to preserve what Christians had always believed.
7. Chronic Vigor: Empires, dynasties, and heresies have all risen and fallen, but the papacy remains standing. The Bishop of Rome has faced persecution, internal corruption, political exile, and schisms, yet the office possesses an enduring, robust life. Its ongoing survival and ability to command the spiritual allegiance of millions century after century is a sign of true, divinely sustained development.
Falsifying Cardinal Newman
Modernists (from the early 20th century to those in the Vatican II sect), have purposely distorted Newman's teachings to make their heretical development of doctrine seem legitimate. There are four (4) areas they particularly weaponize:
Omitting the Seven Notes
They treat "development" as an open-ended green light for evolution, while completely ignoring Newman's actual seven notes. Newman designed those tests specifically to spot and condemn corruptions. If a proposed change fails Note 6 (Conservative Action Upon Its Past) or Note 2 (Continuity of Principles), Newman would explicitly label it a dead heresy, not a development.
Misuse of "The Power of Assimilation"
For Newman, Note 3 (Power of Assimilation) means the Church acts like a healthy organism that digests outside concepts to strengthen itself. A human body eats food to fuel its existing DNA; it doesn't turn into the food. Newman believed the Church purifies and masterfully subdues worldly philosophies to serve Christ, rather than allowing worldly philosophies to dilute and reshape Christian dogma.
For Modernists, it means that the Church must constantly absorb modern secular ideologies, psychological theories, and political movements to remain "relevant."
"Consulting the Faithful" is not Taking an Opinion Poll
In 1859, Newman wrote a famous essay titled On Consulting the Faithful in Matters of Doctrine. Liberal theologians frequently quote this to argue that if a majority of modern lay Catholics disagree with a Church teaching (such as on contraception), the doctrine is nullified by a "lack of consent."
Newman used the word "consult" in a precise, traditional Latin sense (like consulting a thermometer, not taking a democratic vote). He was pointing out a historical fact: during the 4th-century Arian crisis, the laity fiercely maintained the truth of Christ's divinity even when many bishops fell into heresy. Newman meant the faithful possess an intuitive supernatural instinct (sensus fidelium) to preserve the traditional faith, not a mandate to invent brand-new theology via modern opinion polls.
Isolating His "Toast to Conscience"
In a letter to the Duke of Norfolk, Newman famously penned: "I shall drink to the Pope, if you please—still, to Conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards." Dissenting theologians routinely use this line to claim that private conscience overrides Church authority, allowing individuals to decide which dogmas to believe. However, Newnan correctly explained that conscience was the objective, echoing "voice of God speaking to the soul" demanding absolute obedience—not a subjective license for personal preference or private judgment. He argued that a properly formed conscience naturally recognizes and bows down to the external authority of Christ's Church.
Specific Modernist Theologians Who Calumniated Newman
Alfred Loisy and George Tyrell.
Two of the early proponents of the Modernist movement. Both priests were excommunicated by Pope St. Pius X. At the turn of the 20th century, these two leaders of the Modernist crisis directly claimed Newman as an inspiration for their theories on the "evolution of dogmas." Newman believed dogmas possess ontological, permanent factual truth. Tyrrell and Loisy were using Newman’s vocabulary of "growth" to sneak in a philosophy of radical relativism that Newman spent his entire life fighting.
"Cardinal" Avery Dulles
Dulles formulated an "ecumenical" framework that watered down the definitive, exclusive nature of Catholic dogma, stretching Newman's idea of Assimilation past its breaking point.
Charles Curran
Now 92 years old, Curran is a Modernist's Modernist. He teaches the acceptability of fornication, masturbation, contraception, and homosexuality. Although censured by Ratzinger in 1986 (with approval of Wojtyla), he has never been excommunicated by the Vatican II sect. Curran routinely isolated Newman's famous essay On Consulting the Faithful in Matters of Doctrine. They argued that because the vast majority of modern Western Catholics did not accept the Church's ban on birth control, the doctrine had been "nullified" by a lack of lay consent. The same holds true for fornication, masturbation, and homosexuality.
Newman’s concept of sensus fidelium (the sense of the faithful) was a passive, supernatural instinct to preserve the ancient faith, not a democratic mandate or opinion poll to override the Magisterium
Calumny is defined by theologian Prummer as "the untruthful imputation of some fault not committed."
(See Handbook of Moral Theology, [1957], pg. 137). Can anyone doubt that these Modernists ascribed the fault of teaching heresy to Cardinal Newman?
So Many Modernists Love Newman: Shouldn't He Be Held Suspect?
Not in the least. Newman's greatest defender was none other than The Foe of Modernism, Pope St. Pius X himself. Since Newman had written extensively on how doctrine "developments" and "grows," the Modernists—whom Pius X heavily condemned—began trying to hide behind Newman’s coat-tails. They claimed that their radical ideas about the evolution of dogmas were just a continuation of Newman's philosophy. Conversely, hyper-critical anti-modernists began to suspiciously eye Newman as a "proto-Modernist."
Bishop O'Dwyer, Ordinary of Limerick, Ireland, had written a detailed pamphlet entitled Cardinal Newman and the Encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis. The pamphlet argued that Newman's writings were entirely orthodox and explicitly differed from Modernism. On March 10, 1908, Pope St. Pius X wrote a letter to Bishop O'Dwyer (a staunch Anti-Modernist) praising the good bishop's defense of Cardinal Newman. His Holiness wrote:
We hereby inform you that your essay, in which you show that the writings of Cardinal Newman, far from being in disagreement with Our Encyclical Letter Pascendi, are very much in harmony with it, has been emphatically approved by Us...
St. Pius X wrote that the Modernists deliberately used Newman's name deceptively to give their own heretical inventions "the commendation of a very famous man." He stated that they cherry-picked sentences out of context from Newman's vast body of work to deceive the faithful. The saintly Pontiff praised Newman's absolute obedience to the Catholic faith and the Magisterium. He noted that Newman wrote with an entirely pure intention to defend the Catholic faith, which was the polar opposite of the Modernists, who operated secretly from within the Church to undermine tradition. By approving O'Dwyer's work, the pope affirmed that Newman’s Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine was completely orthodox. It was clear that Newman's growth of doctrine meant deepening the understanding of a fixed, unchanging truth, whereas the Modernist evolution meant changing the truth itself.
Conclusion
John Henry Cardinal Newman gave us seven tests for authentic development of doctrine, which were defended by Pope St. Pius X. The good Cardinal has had his name dragged through the mud by Modernists who twist what he wrote to make him seem like a fellow Modernist, and gain credibility for their evil "evolution of doctrine." Cardinal Newman should be studied so that all Traditionalists can tell true development from false, and be better equipped recognize and denounce truly Modernist teachings of the Vatican II sect.
To deny the filioque is to deny the trinity.
ReplyDeleteg) Lastly, the heresy of the schism curtails and mutilates the Trinity in its very Essence. For the Father is Father only inasmuch as He gives the Son whatever He Himself possesses and can give by generation, including His entire fecundity, with the exception of the special character of Paternity. The Son is perfect Son only if He is equal and like to the Father in the Spiration of the Holy Ghost, and if, in particular, the Spirit of the Father is communicated to Him by the very act of generation and not by a new act of the Father. The Holy Ghost, too, is only conceivable as perfect Spirit and as a distinct Person if the Son is His principle. For it is an axiom accepted by the Fathers, that all personal differences in God, being founded upon the relations of origin, exist only between the principle and its product. No distinction is conceivable in God which does not include the most intimate union of those that are distinct. And as, according to the Greek Fathers, the Father produces the Holy Ghost only through the Son and not side by side with the Son, the Holy Ghost would remain in the Son and be identical with Him if He did not proceed from the Son.
A Manual of Catholic Theology Based on Scheeben's "Dogmatik" by Joseph Wilhelm D. D. Ph. D and Thomas B. Scannel D. D. page 307
@anon4:10
DeleteWell, theologian Scheeben is, of course, correct. I just have no idea how your comment is germane to anything here.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I read from Tradition In Action site that Newman was a modernist.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile you may read this article how I met Father Stepanich 20 years ago. https://tradmasscebu.blogspot.com/2026/09/the-time-i-met-father-stepanich.html
Ryan,
DeleteTradition in Action is wrong, Pope St. Pius X proves as much. Thank you for the link! I ask all to pray for the repose of the soul of Fr. Stepanich and remember with gratitude all that he has done for the Church.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you for this excellent post explaining what modernism is and Cardinal Newman’s true thinking. He will certainly be canonized and declared a Doctor of the Church by a true Pope, much to the chagrin of the modernists who believed they had an eminent theologian on their side. We can see who we’re dealing with in the V2 sect and its false pope, who lead the world to believe that they are the true Catholic Church. It is nothing more than a sect that spreads a false religion—as many others do—and ensnares millions of gullible souls.
ReplyDeleteSimon,
DeleteYour comment is right on the money--as per usual!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you for clarifying the matter concerning Cardinal Newman. That some would suspect him of modernism shows the perils of treating with modernism and modernists, who, as with a filter, take what they need to use to demonstrate their principles; whereas Newman, with proper Catholic principles, filters the bad ideas from the good. Modernists' first principles are that nothing is permanent and by extension, eternal; whereas Newman demonstrates that the eternal nature of Catholic principles are expressed in true doctrines developed over time without over-writing itself.
ReplyDeleteThe difference between development and corruption may be rather subtle for some, however. The acorn-to-tree example is a very good one; however modernists will say "the tree looks nothing like the acorn" and therefore they "are essentially different" according to their principles. It is here that people will choose to be either Catholics or modernists, since these truths are demonstrable up to a point but whether they are accepted or not depends on whether one wants to believe in eternal things. There seems to be a fundamental nihilism in the modernist 'annulment' of belief in eternal things; they want to believe there is no eternal consequences for evil actions (universal salvation) or else that consciousness is absorbed into some kind of 'impersonal divine substance' which makes up the universe anyway, in which life is indistinguishable from death, and so does not matter anyway.
+JMJ+
cairsahr_stjoseph
DeleteAn excellent comment with insightful points!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteThank you for writing on this topic. Development of doctrine is a very important topic to understand and yes, the modernists have hijacked Newman when it comes to this area of theology.
There are many areas in Vatican II where a break in doctrine occurred and there was no true development of doctrine in the true sense of the term. One example could suffice out of many. The topic of religious liberty at Vatican II demonstrated a clear break where development of doctrine (in the traditional Catholic sense) was not only lacking, but many modernists themselves admitted explicitly or implicitly that it was a break with Pope Gregory XVI’s “Mirari Vos” and Pope Pius IX’s “Quanta Cura.”
Four modernist theologians who spoke about this included Fr. John Courtney Murray, Msgr. Pietro Pavan, Fr. Yves Congar, and Fr. Hans Kung.
Fr. Murray stated, “The course of the development between the “Syllabus of Errors” (1864) and “Dignitatis Humanae Personae” (1965) still remains to be explained by theologians.”
Fr. Pavan said “…there had , of course, been a doctrinal development, but that its last phase tended towards what was said in the Council documents, if it did not actually agree with it.”
Fr. Congar noted, “It cannot be denied that a text like this does materially say something different from the “Syllabus” of 1864, and even almost the opposite of propositions 15 and 77-9 of the document.”
Fr. Kung wrote, “In recent books he has stated that while conservatives do not have the right answers, they are often asking the right questions. And Lefebvre is no exception. I think he is wrong, but nevertheless what he’s arguing are theoretically unresolved questions.”
This is just one area where a complete break occurred with a theological issue where Vatican II demonstrated a clear rupture with everything that came before it. Again, religious liberty is only one area where this occurred. Many more examples could be cited.
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ReplyDeleteWe see continuity with many doctrines where their development gradually occurred over time. The Papacy, Purgatory, Immaculate Conception, Assumption, Transubstantiation, and many other examples occurred where dogmatic definitions eventually defined what previous generations had held, though the articulation at a later time allowed people to see that the tiny acorn had now become the giant oak tree. It was the same teaching, only defined, declared, and stated much more fully and clearly with The Holy Ghost overseeing each and every definition that came in the future. St. Augustine did not yet have the means to explain Transubstantiation in the same way that Pope Innocent III did in 1215AD. St. Thomas Aquinas did not have as clear of an understanding of a definition of papal infallibility as Pope Pius IX would have at the First Vatican Council in 1869-1870AD. These things took time, but over time, members of the Catholic Church gained clearer and clearer understandings of various teachings as more time went by.
It is very interesting because I think in recent times we are seeing some interesting developments that we do not see as “developments of doctrine” per se in earlier times, at least not as clearly as we have seen with other teachings, yet nevertheless, they have the backing of papal support and are still a traditional understanding of “development of doctrine.”
One example is the belief in evolution/long ages. Introibo has demonstrated through 19th century theologians such as Hunter, Scheeben, and others that the Catholic Church was open to Adam created from inorganic matter by God directly or from a proto human with God breathing life in the soul, but the body could have evolved. Pope Pius IX supported these theologians. Pope St. Pius X under the PBC allowed young ages or long ages to both be held acceptable. Pope Pius XI praised theologian Scheeben. Pope Pius XII praised the work of Fr. Lemaitre and also accepted what his predecessors decreed in terms of both young ages and long ages as being acceptable and that science and religion were in no way at odds with whichever position proved to be the true one (if science one day proved which was true). Most traditionalists will support creationism as opposed to theistic evolution; nevertheless, this is an interesting topic because while we do not see support of long ages over the centuries by theologians in what we might call the traditional “development of doctrine,” we nevertheless have it in the 19th and 20th century popes.
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ReplyDeleteI brought up various scientific scenarios a few months ago in a very lengthy comment that I wrote. I mentioned that science has progressed so rapidly and the church has been left behind and is severely handicapped without a pope on the throne. Assuming that we do not go into the General Judgment in the near future, and the world were to go on for a lengthy amount of time (which I personally do not believe it will, but if it did for argument’s sake), and we got to (for example) the year 2,300AD, we could have many science issues that are so advanced that if a true pope ever ruled again, there could be instances of the Magisterium “catching up”/“getting caught up to speed” (so to speak) and promulgating decrees labeling these moral issues A, B, & C as condemned and immoral and these moral issues D and E as being morally permissible under certain conditions and the Catholic Church would sign off once again on what is accepted and what is condemned. If something like this were to occur in the distant future, then I think we would see “development of doctrine” (again in the true traditional sense) on issues that would be similar to theistic evolution. By this I mean to say that they would not be similar in terms of differing opinions being okay, but rather we would see “development of doctrine” similar to theistic evolution in the sense that we have a development of doctrine but in a much shorter time frame (if that makes sense). Theistic evolution has really been talked about in the 19th and 20th centuries and we do not see it as prevalent in previous ages, because science has rapidly increased recently and newer and newer issues have come more to the forefront. The same could be the case of a more recent “development of doctrine” on moral/scientific issues e.g. Siamese twins marrying one or two people, frozen embryos through In Vitro Fertilization and what to do with them, etc. Many of these issues did not exist a little while ago, and without a current pope to settle many of these issues that only came into existence in the last few decades, there now hangs above everyone’s mind a large question mark (?) when we are left wondering, “Is this position moral or immoral?” “What do we do in this particular scientific case when…?” The list goes on and on.
What I am trying to say is unlike issues like the Papacy, Purgatory, the Immaculate Conception, Assumption, Transubstantiation, etc. where definitions took many centuries to define after much organic growth, we could *potentially* (I’m not saying we will) have a quicker “development of doctrine” (in Newman’s sense of the term still) with issues such as creationism vs. theistic evolution, as well as the many different scientific scenarios that I referenced here, as well as in my comment a few months ago. Then again, we may never have a pope reign again and we may never get answers to these questions.
Introibo, I would very much like to hear your thoughts on all of this. Hopefully what I have said here makes sense with “development of doctrine” (in the true sense) having the ability to still occur, but in a quicker time frame (though valid nonetheless) since for most of the last 2,000 years some of these issues either were not at the forefront or they just simply never existed until now with science and technology growing by “leaps and bounds” in recent years.
-TradWarrior
TradWarrior
DeleteYou make several good points! Yes, if we get a pope back, I think science issues will settle quicker than strictly theological issues of the past.
I wish I could write more, but for now, I think that "science/faith" issues could be resolved (indeed SHOULD/MUST) be resolved quickly by a true pope--should we ever get one back.
God Bless you, my friend,
---Introibo
Today, a dude from Illinois was beatified by another dude from Illinois. As most of us are aware, what was really being beatified, is "Vatican II." What we witnessed today is merely the latest in a very lengthy list of such "beatifications." (As for that funky "four letter word" "dude", even Introibo has used it before. It is the very last word of his June 28, 2010 blog post, which post elicited zero comments.)
ReplyDeleteIn a (by now, rather well-known) 1947 sermon, the new V2 sect "Blessed" (and-present-at-all-4-sessions-of) V2 Father, Fulton Sheen, issued a prophetic warning that the devil:
"will set up a counter-church, which will be the ape of the Church because he, the devil, is the ape of God. It will in all externals resemble the Church as the mystical body of Christ... He will deceive even the elect..."
How curious to observe then, that Sheen himself ended up being totally seduced (Judges 16:4-20) by V2, and somehow couldn't seem to see how his own prophetic warning was being fulfilled in an Ape Church, or Impostor Church, from the early 1960s onwards, right in front of his very own eyes. Such is the blindness being indicated in Judges 16:21 & 16:28. Sheen even had 10 years of Novus Ordo retirement free time, from 1969-1979, to "figure it out" but apparently he wasn't able to "connect enough of the dots" to successfully do so.
https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bsheen.html
It makes me wonder. Alot of professional "this is how you should think" influencer that spoke out of both sides of their mouths.
DeleteFulton Sheen was and still is a conservative darling.
DeleteU. S. Catholics loved him because he gave them a sense of empowerment by being one of the nations top TV personalities. He was a household name, even appearing on a popular TV show 'What's My Line?'.
He made one feel proud to be Catholic in America. Tall, good-looking, charismatic, an ideal ecclesial celebrity. He could keep people in the palm of his hand like an apt showman.
After Vatican 2, his Modernism was (thinly) veiled under the guise of the it's-still-that-good-o'-Catholicisim-only-a-bit-updated narrative.
Introibo wrote on that conservative snake in the grass:
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2016/01/eternal-life-is-worth-attaining.html
God Bless,
Joanna
In terms of the sciences and technology, it is likely that there will be no lengthy development of doctrine once the 'mystery of iniquity' and its 'operation of error' has been cleared away as the truth will be free to operate without pervasive and widespread deliberate hindrance. As for all matters not directly related to the sciences and technology but to the Faith and the Church as things are re-constituted in however the world will appear by then - it depends on how the Church is then, because she will not be the same as she was. That would be in the period of peace after all the things happen.
ReplyDeleteBut in the meantime ? Who knows.
Hello, do any of you folk reading this blog listen to the talks of Father Isaac Relyea who runs a youtube channel called Soldiers of the Immaculate? Is he with the SSPX?
ReplyDeleteI used to when still in NO. Talked to him once. He is simply a conservative NOer who does publicly say he does not recommend the NO. Sspx is NO too...so steer clear of all!
DeleteOkay thanks, another gutless coward who talks out both sides of his mouth. I will stop listening to him. God bless you
DeleteGod bless you as well!
DeleteI think this quote best sums up the NO deceived who are deceivers too:
"We must remember that if all the manifestly good men were on one side and all the manifestly bad men on the other, there would be no danger of anyone, least of all the elect, being deceived by lying wonders. It is the good men, good once, we must hope good still, who are to do the work of Anti-Christ and so sadly to crucify the Lord afresh…. Bear in mind this feature of the last days, that this deceitfulness arises from good men being on the wrong side."
--Fr. Frederick Faber, Sermon for Pentecost Sunday, 1861
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteDo you know if Father James Curatolo of CSPV is related to Robert Curatolo of FDNY(New York City Fire Department) who died on 9/11?
@anon4:36
DeleteAlthough I know Fr Curatolo personally, I do not know if that person is a relative of his .
God Bless,
—-Introibo
A great introduction to what Newman really taught, Introibo, thank you very much!
ReplyDeleteI've never come across that quote by St. Vincent of Lerins. Very interesting. It's good to know that one the Fathers of the Church spoke of a true development of doctrine. He is usually quoted and very much misunderstood by semi-trads who maintain that they need to believe what always was believed, by everyone at all times in defiance of the man whom they consider to be the Pope. Absurd! They are effectively their own magisterium.
Isn't it curious that the very same people who rightly honor Pope St. Pius X as one of the greatest and wisest Popes tend to dismiss Newman? They surely must be aware that Pius X vouched for Newman's orthodoxy.
God Bless,
Joanna
Joanna,
DeleteI’m glad you got something out of my writing on Newman. He is greatly misunderstood by many Traditionalists who see him being honored in the Vatican II sect, and assume he must be Modernist. They don’t understand what he really taught and how he was falsely represented by the Modernists.
You are absolutely correct that his defense by Pope St Pius X places his work beyond ALL reproach.
God bless you, my friend,
—-Introibo