Pope Pius XII once said, "The greatest sin of our age is that we've lost all sense of sin." Truer words were never spoken, especially in our age. Divorce and remarriage is no longer a mortal sin that requires your repentance and living as brother and sister. No, you can live in open adultery, and the Vatican II sect will find ways to give you "communion." Worse still, is the attempt to explain away sin as an "illness." Take the example of New York pervert Anthony Weiner, the former congressman who tweeted pictures of his genitals to women he hardly knew across the country. He lost he seat in Congress, lost his bid for mayor of NYC, destroyed his marriage, and is being investigated for possible sexual communication with a fifteen (15) year old girl. Weiner never asked forgiveness of God. No one acknowledges sin. No one does penance.
Perverts are now "sex addicts" who need group therapy and couldn't help themselves. Weiner actually went to some "Sex Addicts Anonymous" group for a huge sum of money to "cure himself." The "Twelve Step Program" made famous by Alcoholics Anonymous ("AA") is now in vogue to allegedly help people beat all kinds of "addictions" including, but not limited to, drugs, gambling, tobacco, and sex. Virtually any vice is now labeled an addiction. While AA may have helped some people stop drinking, it does far more harm than good. As a matter of fact, the origins and purpose of AA are quite disturbing. Most people are unaware of the occult/Masonic origin of AA and its (rather successful) campaign to promote religious indifferentism and eliminate the sense of sin.
AA's False Representation and True Origin
According to AA: "Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for A.A. membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions. A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety." Seems benevolent enough until you dig beneath the surface.
AA started when William (Bill)Wilson and Dr. Robert (Bob) Smith met in 1935. Both men were alcoholics who met at the Oxford Group,a non-denominational group allegedly modeled on early Christianity. The Oxford group literature defines the group as not being a religion, for it had no hierarchy, no Church, and "no plans but God's plan." Their chief aim was "A new world order for Christ, the King." (See F. Buchman, Remaking the World. Blandord Press, London (1961)). Due to this affiliation, people have tried to paint AA as "Christian," yet the facts speak for themselves. AA denies any religious affiliation, and the Oxford Group denied being a religion, yet claims to build a "new world order" for "Christ the King." They knew "God's plan" through some "personal experience." The Group called it, "Listening for God's guidance, and carrying it out."
The official AA biography of Bill Wilson, entitled Pass it On, details Wilson and Smith practicing séances and communing with demonic spirits while writing the program of AA and the Twelve Steps. Bill Wilson explains one of their experiences with a Ouija board:
"The ouija board began moving in earnest. What followed was the fairly usual experience-it was a strange mélange of Aristotle, St. Francis, diverse archangels with odd names, deceased friends–some in purgatory and others doing nicely, thank you! There were malign and mischievous ones of all descriptions telling of vices quite beyond my ken, even as former alcoholics. Then, the seemingly virtuous entities would elbow them out with messages of comfort, information, advice—and sometimes just sheer nonsense." (See Pass It On, pg. 278).
It is an abomination to attempt to contact the dead. As I've written before, necromancy (attempting to contact the dead) is condemned by both the Bible and Church teaching. "Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD; because of these same detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you." (See Deuteronomy 18:10-12; Emphasis mine.) According to theologian Jone, "Spiritism claims to be able to communicate with the spirit world and endeavors to establish such commerce with it. Although spiritism is for the most part fraud, still the intention alone to enter into communication with spirits is gravely sinful. Therefore, it is mortally sinful to conduct a spiritistic seance or to act as a medium." (See Moral Theology, pg. 100; Emphasis mine).
AA has its origin in the demonic. The triangle within a circle (symbol of AA) has its origin in secret societies. The Rosicrucians (a secret society tied to masonry) uses it to impart and convey its teachings to initiates. According to Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age (published by AA), Wilson says of the symbol:
"That we have chosen this symbol [for A.A.] is perhaps no mere accident. The priests and seers of antiquity regarded the circle enclosing the triangle as a means of warding off spirits of evil, and AA’s circle of Recovery, Unity, and Service has certainly meant all that to us and much more." (pg. 139; Emphasis mine.)
Twelve Steps To Losing The Faith
The Twelve Step Program is little more than an exaltation of positive Indifferentism (the belief that all religions are more or less equally good).
Step Two states: "[We] Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."
What "Power" is that? It could mean God, an impersonal "god" of the deists, or the "Great Architect of the Universe" of the Masonic Lodge.
Step Three states: " [We] Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him."
"...as we understood Him." Any understanding of "God" as some higher "Power" are all equally good and praiseworthy.
Step Eleven states, [We] Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out."
To whom do they pray, and how do they meditate? "Conscious contact with God"? What does that mean? Contact by some direct communication as the Oxford Group claimed?
Step Twelve states, [We] ... had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs."
A "spiritual awakening"? It certainly is not to the One True Church of Christ. They are further instructed to "practice these principles in all our affairs."
AA even has chapters for atheists and agnostics but will not allow proselytism, or for anyone to pray in the Holy Name of Jesus! (As Bergoglio would say, "Proselytism is nonsense."). They do not "tolerate" the idea that any person's religious beliefs are superior to another's, nor that anyone's "spiritual beliefs" may be wrong. Despite AA's protestations that it is "not allied with any sect, denomination..." the New York State Court of Appeals (the highest court in the state) determined that AA is religious in the broad sense of the term. (See Matter of Griffin v. Coughlin 88 N.Y.2d 674 (1996)). A religion of indifferentism that can tolerate anything except the Truth!
People in these Twelve Step programs will begin to imbibe something worse than alcohol; the idea that any "Higher Power" worshiped by anyone is just as good as any other. It matters not if you are Hindu, Moslem, Protestant, Vatican II sect, or Traditionalist. Any religious belief can help you in life, and (by implication) the afterlife. After enough exposure, you're on the road to believing it and rejecting the idea of a One True Church.
People in these Twelve Step programs will begin to imbibe something worse than alcohol; the idea that any "Higher Power" worshiped by anyone is just as good as any other. It matters not if you are Hindu, Moslem, Protestant, Vatican II sect, or Traditionalist. Any religious belief can help you in life, and (by implication) the afterlife. After enough exposure, you're on the road to believing it and rejecting the idea of a One True Church.
Scientific Studies Dispute AA's Effectiveness
In 2006, the Cochrane Collaboration, a health-care research group, reviewed studies going back to the 1960s and found that "no experimental studies unequivocally demonstrated the effectiveness of AA or [12-step] approaches for reducing alcohol dependence or problems."
AA claims a 75% success rate, yet "in his recent book, The Sober Truth: Debunking the Bad Science Behind 12-Step Programs and the Rehab Industry, Lance Dodes, a retired psychiatry professor from Harvard Medical School, looked at Alcoholics Anonymous’s retention rates along with studies on sobriety and rates of active involvement (attending meetings regularly and working the program) among AA members. Based on these data, he put AA’s actual success rate somewhere between 5 and 8 percent."
Even more frightening, "There is no mandatory national certification exam for addiction counselors. The 2012 Columbia University report on addiction medicine found that only six states required alcohol- and substance-abuse counselors to have at least a bachelor’s degree and that only one state, Vermont, required a master’s degree. Fourteen states had no license requirements whatsoever—not even a GED or an introductory training course was necessary—and yet counselors are often called on by the judicial system and medical boards to give expert opinions on their clients’ prospects for recovery." These same mostly unqualified people will be teaching the occult/Masonic ideology intrinsic to AA.
(Information on scientific studies culled from the work of Gabrielle Glasser located at http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/).
Summary and Conclusion
- The sense of sin is largely lost in our modern society. People make "bad judgments" or have "illnesses." The idea of moral failure, sin, penance, and asking forgiveness from God are now nearly obsolete.
- The Vatican II sect is working towards this goal of eradicating the sense of sin as well, both in teaching and practice.
- One of the major organizations (claiming not to be a religious sect or denomination) that pushes the notions of religious indifferentism, and ignores the concept of sin, is Alcoholics Anonymous (AA).
- AA was founded by two alcoholics who got the ideas for their loosely knit society from occult practices, and they were influenced by Masonry.
- The Twelve Step program is nothing more than religious indifferentism from which Christ and His One True Church are excluded. They tolerate any beliefs as long as they are not true.
- People in these Twelve Step programs will begin to see all religions as more or less good, and question (even reject) the idea of One True Church.
- The 75% success rate claimed by AA has been called into doubt by recent scientific studies that put the actual number at no more than 8%.
- Most of the counselors are completely unqualified, to the point that even high school drop-outs can function as a "counselor." These are the same people who will tell you all beliefs are equally valid.
There are many more effective methods of treating alcoholism (or any other problem) than organizations using the Masonic Twelve Step method. If you or someone you love suffers from a problem considered "an addiction," consult with a doctor you trust, shop around, and find treatment from a person or group unaffiliated with the Twelve Steps. Most important to your recovery, is your spiritual health in the One True Church. Christ and His Mother will help you through your sins. Otherwise you'll put your soul in peril as the Masonic "cure" is worse than the so-called "disease" it purports to fight.
Addiction is one of the hardest most destructive problems in life.
ReplyDeleteUnless someone has been an addict,its impossible for them to understand.MANY non-addicts have this recurring idea
"Just stop its easy just stop no one is forcing you"
I'm glad people don't have any clue but so many addicts (alcohol drugs) end up not liking their family because they don't understand.
AA is popular because it's one of the FEW groups who have been there & understand.
I appreciate this article its eye opening.
Thank you. I pray that you have conquered your problem and are doing well!
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Thank you for posting this,its very eye opening.
ReplyDeleteMany thanks. I hope many people see the light and the evil behind Twelve Step programs.
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There's a VII Sectarian "apostolate" which shall here remain un-named, wherein the 12 step schema was established a few years ago.
ReplyDeleteThis "apostolate" helps those with "same sex attraction"-a term one could say is borne of masonry.
They released a film which included male above the waist nudity, depiction of red light districts, vile & lurid music accompaniments,-etc., etc. I could go on but won't. When I challenged respectively a VII Sectarian "priest" on its vulgarity, he stated I was too sensitive & that most people are used to seeing that kind of "stuff."
I am the mother of 5 adults, yes, I guess I am too sensitive. Really.
I also found the adoption of 12 step tragic not only because it renders the endeavor un-(or anti,) Catholic, but also since the true priest founder of this group, whom I met in the 70's, would be horrified to see what they have done to something which once had promise before the VII Sect took a firm grip hold on all things related to what he intended to be a guide to virtue.
Linda,
DeleteAnother sad example of who Vatican II destroys everything it contaminates.
---Introibo
A while ago, the SSPX wrote giving advice on 12 step & whether it was OK for Catholics, Failing to protect souls, the treatment was sickeningly milquetoast, reverberating with -perhaps this & that, maybe this, maybe that, consider this & that-- ad nauseum. I have come to expect no more.
ReplyDeleteThe SSPX can never fully combat evil when they want "full communion" with the false pope whom the recognize. Should they join Frankie, it will be all over for them as they unite with Apostasy.
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Apparently,the SSPX officially joined the Novus Ordo today.
DeleteOne of the best articles I have read on exposing AA!! Unfortunately years ago I had experiences with 12 step programs. They say you choose your higher power and it can be whatever you want it to be. I was even told I could use a "coffee pot" for a higher power so long as it was "something outside myself". They want you to confess your "shortcomings" to a sponsor which is their 4th step. Then after you are broken down they will try to brain wash you into their "spiritual program" and use your "short comings" which you have confessed to a sponsor against you. What the soul is seeking and what it needs is a good confession with a valid Priest not the Masonic 12 Steps. Thanks again for this article exposing AA.
ReplyDeleteThank you for the kind words, Joann. The praises of Twelve Step programs has been sung for so long, many (if not most) people consider them beyond reproach.
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There are so many Novus Ordo Churches that allow AA meetings to use their buildings it is unreal. When I was trying to come back to the Church after being away for years, the first Novus Ordo service I attended had a young Priest reciting the 12 Steps during his homily. That was enough to be totally turned off the Novus Ordo for good!
ReplyDeleteYou were wiser than most! At least in your case, by God's grace, you were led out of the V2 sect! Unfortunately, the Twelve Steps keep many people in the sect's clutches because it jibes so well with their Masonic/Ecumenical agenda. They see the V2 sect as "helpful" as their Twelve Step programs.
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There are a few things I wanted to add to my previous posts regarding the 12 Steps. They claim the 12 Steps are a "spiritual program". They also told me when I was in the program years ago that as long as I got a "higher power" of "my own understanding" (the higher power could be any god, Allah, Buddha, Jesus or even a light bulb or coffee pot, anything outside myself) I could do anything I wanted except drink. One could therefore commit all kinds of sins and in the 12 Steps book that was just fine as long as you didn't drink! I don't know what kind of "spiritual" program that is called because it certainly is not the Holy Spirt. It is a diabolical spirit. People come into to the rooms of AA, NA, Overeaters Anon, etc and they are already messed up and are easy prey to swallow the 12 Steps drink of kool-aid. AA and the 12 Steps need to be exposed for what they really are, not what they pretend to be. I was in one of these programs and it was one of the worst experiences of my life. It took me a long time to de-program myself and I ended up solving my so-called "addiction" with sheer willpower, all by myself. I didn't need the 12 Steps, nor a 12 Step Sponsor who tries to run your life and also act as a pseudo Priest. Will power, and a good confession with a valid pre-Vatican II Priest is a real "spiritual" program!!
DeleteIntroibo -- When AA tells people they can do whatever they want as long as they have a belief in a "higher power" or a "God of their own understanding" what heresy is that is it Calvinism, Lutherism, etc??
One other thing I wanted to say is that going to a medical Dr. or a psychologist for help in the area of addiction is almost futile as they more than likely will refer you to a 12 Step program. The big lie of the medical community is when they listed "sins" as "diseases" in their Diagnostic and Statistics Manuals. By doing so it affirms that the "addict" is powerless which is the foundation of the lying 12 Steps. I ranted enough, but a 12 Step Program messed my life up for years and if it did that to me I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Dear Joann,
DeleteThank you for your powerful testimony. I'm sorry you had to go through all that, but by God's grace you have been brought out of vice and into the One True Church! What a blessing! A good example of God bringing a greater good out of evil.
As to your query about "accepting any higher power" and do what you want; it's a dual error of "Indifferentism" (any religious belief is as good as another), and moral relativism which is part of that error. If their is no true God, then morals are whatever your conception of "God" will permit. It's not the same as Protestantism, whereby you must put your faith in Christ (not some vague higher power), and while you can do what you want and be saved, they hold to the Ten Commandments and declare all SHOULD adhere to them.
The vile pest of Indifferentism is intrinsic to Masonry and the vile evils they spread.
God bless you Joann! You're always in my prayers.
---Introibo
Introibo - How did Masonry become so powerful that it has infected and permeated almost every facet of society and even the Church? I learned my lesson the hard way - just because some group, etc. purports and holds itself out as good and benevolent and even though the masses are following - do your research before getting involved because the devil portrays himself as "an angel of light". Right now I am trying to convince someone of the evils of masonry and they insist that they do good and believe in God. This person is a teacher at a Novus Ordo high school and the school holds all of their proms and large functions in a Boumi Temple!!
DeleteJoann,
DeleteThis year is the 300th anniversary of the founding of Freemasonry in 1717. As a good primer to understanding them, please read Pope Leo XIII's encyclical "Humanum Genus," condemning the Lodge clearly and forcefully. You can read it and download it for free online. If you still have questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Let your friend read the encyclical. The Church has formally condemned Freemasonry no less than 17 times!!
Nevertheless, don't expect someone who teaches at a Vatican II sect school to understand. Their minds are poisoned against anything pertaining to the True Church pre-V2. Pray for this person, invite them to go to church with you, show them the encyclical, and leave the rest to God. (See if they will accept a blessed Green Scapular from you--a very powerful means of conversion for many). Modernism and Masonry are "brothers in arms."
---Introibo
Introibo - Thanks for the references. My question to you is how did Masonry become so powerful that it has infected much of society and even the Catholic Church?
DeleteJoann,
DeleteBasically, a very small group of men with high influence gave themselves over to Satan for the purpose of establishing a New World Order with a One World religion. The "synagogue of Satan" as the Church calls the Lodge, was able to entice men to join with promises of power and influence. Helped by their infernal master, men from all walks of life joined.
Therefore, with the Lodge gaining powerful members of society, they were able to influence and infiltrate all organizations which stood in their way. It operates in secret, so its cause was helped by pretending to be a benevolent fraternal organization.
At least 14 US Presidents have been Masons. Their biggest coup was "knocking off the Church," the Divine Institution they hate most and the only thing that could really stop them. When their man Roncalli (John XXIII) became "pope," that began the Great Apostasy.
---Introibo
I've read the Antichrist Zionists run Freemasonry & use them (Freemasons) as Gentile foot soldiers to do the Jews dirty work.
DeleteAlso,I would recommend reading "Rad Trad Blog" interview with the man behind the St.Lawrence Press Ordo.He's been in the traditional scene since the 1950's!Very interesting what he and other various British priests had to say about Pius XII.(Our chapel doesn't obey any church law after 1950 and this interview was extremely reassuring!)
I would be careful as to what you read about Freemasonry. Read what the popes had to say. There are some very wild-eyed conspiracy theories that mix fantasy and reality.
DeleteDoes the Chapel reject the changes post 1950 based on the cessation of a law that becomes noxious, or does it teach Pope Pius XII lost his authority due to alleged heresy?
---Introibo
I've read about the Freemasonic-Zionist connection plus what Pius IX and Leo XIII said about Freemasonary.Neither side contradicts the other,it flows together.People need to know the reason Freemasonry uses so much old testament lingo terms etc..is due to the Zionist influence.They (masons) have even used the term 'Zions Army'.
DeleteEverything post Dec.1950 contradicts the Council of Trent,especially Session 7.
That's the main reason behind rejecting Pius XII changes post Dec.1950.
If that Chapel teaches that the Pope Pius XII changes "contradicts the Council of Trent" they have tacitly and implicitly declared Pope Pius XII a heretic and false pope (at least since 1951). The dogma of the Indefectibility of the Church declares the Church cannot give that which is evil or teach error. Therefore, if the changes were "contrary to Trent," they could not have come from the Church and a true pope. I would ask the priest if this is what he really believes. If it is, you should find somewhere else to attend Mass. That is a serious error and I'm sure there would be other errors as well.
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So is session 7 canon 13 wrong?
DeleteAre we in error for celebrating & assisting at the pre-1950 Holy Week (oldest traditions of the church) when session 7 canon 13 says anyone whom changes liturgy is anathema?
We understand Pius XII authorized a known Freemason,Msgr.Bugnini himself,to create a new man made holy week.
We're going to simply disagree.
I highly recommend reading the "Rad Trad Blog" article about St.Lawrence Press Ordo creator.There were British priests who ignored all the Pius XII changes in the 50's & 60's who thought Pius "had flipped".
We are not alone in this practice of holding to the pre Dec.1950 traditions.(including after midnight holy Communion fast..which the orthodox still do to this day)
Have a blessed weekend Dominus Vobiscum!
St.Lawrence Press Ordo 2017 interview
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Thank you for the link, which I will read. Is Trent wrong? No, but neither is Pope Pius if we are to believe he was truly pope. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the changes. You can argue, as the SSPV does, the laws cease to bind due to an unintended noxious effect that comes about later, but unknown by the pope at the time (these changes would make it seem that changes can be made at will).
DeleteI attend both the pre and post Pope Pius XII changes. I prefer the pre-Pope Pius changes, but that's all it is--a preference. Ask your priest if this is not indeed his position.
God bless,
---Introibo
From what you have learned,is it possible for a man to be Pope & lose his office during his term?
DeleteYes. According to Doctor of the Church St. Alphonsus Liguori, "If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate." (See Verita della Fede, Pt. III, Ch. VIII, 9-10).
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My name is Mike M. and I am an alcoholic. My sobriety date is 29 October 1982. I am sober today only by the grace of God through the 12 steps of Alcoholic Anonymous. I wanted to share my experience, strength and hope with anyone suffering from the merciless sin of alcoholism. I firmly believe my All-Loving, All Knowing Father, Creator of all things on this planet, whom I choose to call God because that’s His Name, has used and continues to use A.A. to help lost sheep like myself find Him again. When He left the 99 to go find the one, he was calling to me, but I was blinded by sin. He kept calling out to me, even knowing my personal situation to the ugliest detail. I hated myself, hated what I had become and hated the world around me. Because of His unfathomable love for me, He would not give up on me when I had all but lost all hope. I actually got to a spot in my life where I believed I was no longer loved by God, joy and happiness in this life were for all of you, not me. I was existing in a self-constructed living hell. He used the hand of A.A. to open my eyes to His Love. Through my journey, I believe my life now resembles that of the Prodigal Son. Yep, He loves me so much He let me sink into the deepest of despair, the dark underbelly of addiction until I cried out to answer His calling with the only prayer an alcoholic knows; “God help me!”
ReplyDeleteHe has answered me beyond my wildest dreams, I know to the very marrow of my bones, He loves me crazy mad! What pray tell could I possibly ask for? He rescued me and has brought me pack to the 99!
Just a few verbatim quotes from the “Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous”
ReplyDeleteWe are not an organization in the conventional sense of the word. There are no dues or fees whatsoever. The only requirement for membership is an honest desire to stop drinking. We are not allied with any particular faith, sect or denomination, nor do we oppose anyone. We simply wish to be helpful to those who are afflicted.
Inquiry by scientific, medical and religious societies will be welcomed. [Forward to the First Edition of Alcoholics Anonymous 1939]
From this doctor, the broker(Bill W.) had learned the grave nature of alcoholism. Though he(Bill W.) could not accept all the tenets of the Oxford Groups, he was convinced of the need for moral inventory, confession of personality defects, restitution of those harmed, helpfulness to others, and the necessity of belief in and dependence upon God. [page xvi, Forward Second Edition]
Alcoholics Anonymous is not a religious organization. Neither does A.A. take any particular medical point of view, though we cooperate widely with the men of medicine as well as with the men of religion.
Alcohol being no respecter of persons, we are an accurate cross section of America, and in distant lands, the same evening up process is now going on. By religious affiliation, we include Catholics, Jews, Hindus, and a sprinkling of Moslems and Buddists.
Upon therapy for the alcoholic himself, we surely have no monopoly. Yet it is our great hope that all those who have as yet found no answer may begin to find one in the pages of thos book and will presently join us on the highroad to a new freedom. [ pages xx-xxi, Forward to Second Edition of Alcoholics Anonymous 1955]
This Lent will mark one year of my continuing learning of current church history (V2 sect you refer to). Talk about feelings of being lied to. It's been an emotional roller coaster trying to decipher the whole truth from different sources and trying to separate the agendas and all the in-fighting amongst the "experts". I was a revert to the Faith (being born and raised, baptized and confirmed Roman Irish Catholic pre '67). Presently, I am not sure where the true Church Hierarchy is, as I have come to know through endless hours of study, it's not the one that occupies the Vatican. I'm starting to see/believe the Visible Church is now Invisible to the human eye. I feel betrayed by those who usurped my Master's Visible Church. My heart is broken not being able to physically be with Our Lord today. I guess the adage is true, at least in my case, absence makes the heart grow fonder. I'll continue to ask the Blessed Mother in prayer to help me discern if in fact we are in the time of chastisement and Mother Church is invisible.
ReplyDeleteDear Mike,
DeleteThank you for your heartfelt comments. I congratulate you on your nearly 35 yrs of sobriety! AA, for what good it may do, is nevertheless built on the idea of religious Indifferentism. It also has occult/Masonic roots. Many people come away thinking "One religion is as good as any other." That's why the Vatican 2 sect embraces and promotes it. Satan will help the body if he can destroy the soul. In your case, by God's grace, he is showing you the way to His One True Church. Deo gratias! See the testimony of Joann above.
Remember the Church is not "invisible" just "underground" so to speak. The Four Marks of Unity, Holiness, Apostolicity, and Catholicity are absent from the V2 sect; not from Traditionalists. We are the remnant. I'm asking all my readers to join me in praying for you to join us in the One True Church! Please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns!
God bless you Mike!
---Introibo
I will take you up on your offer as I have a ton of questions relating to my sorting through and trying to understand what happened to the Church of Christ. I'd just prefer to do email as I'm a crappy typer and a windy sob.
ReplyDeleteWith regards to Joann's experiences I can just say it was/is wholly different for me. My first meeting was at St. Raphael's Catholic Church. I've been to meetings literally everywhere, from sitting on the sand in Newport Beach to a Tavern in Milwaukee, Luthren to First Congo Church to UIC. I've sat in meetings outside Boston with drunks sleeping it off laying in the row of chairs, facts are, there are drunks everywhere. My point is the catholic church has no monopoly on meetings.
This I am certain of; I am alcoholic to the bone and that will never change. I'm cool with it as its's my cross to bare.
My King and Savior, I believe, is pleased with me when I take the time to help another one of his broken creatures whose being beaten down by addiction. I'll be the first to admit a common phrase heard around the tables is along the lines of "I used to be catholic" or 'I was catholic" usually followed by the re-telling of an ugly experience. When I do hear the bitterness towards the Faith, I immediately start praying for that individual. And God willing, if I can, I pull them aside privately after the meeting I attempt to share my love for Christ the King and how He's loved me back from the undead. Just by shear numbers, fallen away catholics are the greatest percentage of people working on recovery.
A.A. is NOT for those that need it, there ain't enough church basements to hold them, it for those who want it. I am blessed to have somewhere to go to get help, if I need it, and give help to anyone who wants it.
Faith with Works is Dead
your brother in Christ
Please email me your personal email address and I will not publish it but will contact you from an anonymous email address.
DeleteWe will agree to disagree agreeably over AA. I'm more interested in your spiritual health.
God bless,
---Introibo
One thing that is just about this exchange is that an arrogant sede is humbled by a man who was helped by the program this post trashes. 35 years sobriety and Introibo then condescends to speak with the man by way of an anonymous email? I wonder if Mike feels honored, especially since he stands up in front of large groups of people and looks them in the eyes and says, "my name is Mike and I'm an alcoholic."
DeleteI'm not be condescending to anyone. I keep my identity strictly anonymous, hence my offer to help Mike with questions concerning the Faith via anonymous email.
DeleteAA may have helped Mike. In my post, I wrote the scientific evidence that shows about 8% of people are helped. However, "what doth it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his very soul?" AA leads many into religious Indifferentism and loss of the TRUE faith. See the testimony of Joann above.
The program is thereby rightfully disdained and to be avoided.
---Introibo
To: Anonymous Feb 2, 2017 at 2:45pm Why do you read this blog if you are so against Traditionalists?
DeleteAnonymous 2:45pm Why do consistently post on this blog while holding such bitter resentment towards Sedevacantists?
ReplyDeleteCan you please find something more useful and constructive to do with your time?
Across the hall from the room my chapel has Mass, there is an AA meeting. I am usually waiting in line to go to confession before Mass when the alcoholics are reciting their "Serenity Prayer." I used to have many addictions including cigarettes, and alcohol. I gave them up. Cigarettes was hard for me to give up in the beginning but alcohol was pretty easy for me to give up. I did not go to any program to help me or take any medicine, I just used my own willpower and the power of prayer. Now I do not struggle with urges to do those things or temptations. Perhaps I am lucky, if according to this post, AA only helps less than ten percent of its members quit alcohol, or maybe they are just going about it the wrong way, trying to solve problems of sin without the faith. At my chapel they used to sell a book condemning AA from a Catholic perspective, but the priest got rid of it.
ReplyDeleteI'm not surprised Matthew. Isn't it ironic how the Modernists who call us "condemning" and "close-minded" are the biggest censors you'll ever find?
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I have read that anti-Pope Francis is a big proponent of something called Liberation Theology. Have you done an article on Liberation Theology explaining what it is? If not would you consider doing an article?
ReplyDeleteI have not done anything on liberation theology yet, but you've given me a good idea for a post in the next 6 weeks!
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Good article on Zionist
ReplyDeleteFreemasonry connection
http://www.rense.com/general50/zionss.htm
I have read varying articles stating different opinions on Pope John XXIII and his connection to Freemasonry. The last article I read on Pope John XXIII was stating that it was a rumor about him being involved with Freemasonry. Can you give me a good source citing his involvement with Freemasonry? Also, I have read where Pope Paul VI was of Jewish heritage. Can you clarify if he was or wasn't?
ReplyDeletePaul VI last name was Montini.In the Italian Golden book of Hebrew heritage,Montini is listed as a Hebrew name.Southern Jews in Spain & Italy are called Marrano Jews and Montini is a Marrano last name.
DeletePaul VI parents were wealthy influential leftists.In that time frame,wealthy influential leftists were largely Jewish or Shabbos Goy.(meaning Gentiles who did work for Jews on Friday)
This is not an anti-jewish comment,its just stating facts.
As to Roncalli's involvement with Freemasonry, the most reliable source is here; http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/post/pope_mason.html. It can be found on Novus Ordo Watch. Org.
DeleteAs to Montini, I don't know about him being Jewish, but he was a Modernist and practicing sodomite.
Please see my post of Monday, August 15, 2015 "True And False Saints" about Roncalli, and February 29, 2016 "A Queer Thing Happened" for more on Montini.
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Could you please tell me where I could get a copy (physical or online) of the "Italian Golden Book of Hebrew Heritage"? It sounds apocryphal, but I'm open to studying all evidence.
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Go online and search the title of the book.Its a hefty tome & will take a while to read entire text.
ReplyDeleteGolden Book of Noble Italian Heritage (1962-1964, p.994 is where it states Montini is a Hebrew name)
ReplyDeleteSorry I had the title wrong.
Thank you for the citation! I will be reading up on this issue; you've gotten my interest!
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I tried to find the above referenced Golden Book of Noble Italian Heritage online and have been unsuccessful.
DeleteIf I remember right what I read about Montini was that his mother was of Jewish heritage (I can't remember where I read it). There are numerous photos online of Montini wearing some kind of a Jewish symbol around his neck hanging from a long chain. Introibo - have you seen any of the photos? What do you think of them?
Jewish Ephod (Caiphus would wear the Ephod)
DeleteYes, it is the Ephod. I found this link to Tradition in Action. While I disagree with much of what they write as "recognize and resisters," I think they got this affiliation with Montini and the Jews correct.
Deletehttp://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/E003_Rational_of_Judgment.htm
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Introibo - Just had a conversation with a Novus Ordo Priest. In fact he was ordained pre-Vatican II and grew up with the Latin Mass. He is my husband's cousin and Godfather. We got into a discussion on alcoholism as his younger sister was a chronic alcoholic and AA and all the rehabs the family sent her to failed to help her. She died from liver failure a few years ago. The Priest told me and he insists that alcoholism is a disease even after all he went through with trying to get his sister help via AA and their so called rehabs which failed miserably. When I told the Priest it was "sin", he spewed vehemently at me and stated matter of factly that it was a disease! A pre-Vatican II ordained Priest should know better, but now that he is Novus Ordo, I guess he drank the kool-aid of AA and follows the 12 Steps which lead to hell. (It just boggles my mind that a pre-Vatican Priest wouldn't know better)!!
ReplyDeleteDoesn't surprise me, Joann. He threw his Faith away, as did 99% of the clergy during the Great Apostasy. I find those priests to be worse than the new invalid "priests." The former had the Truth and their conscience bothers them--as it will for all eternity unless they repent before death!
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Introibo - You are so right that the pre-Vatican II Priests are worse than the new invalid priests as they had the faith and threw it away. There is just no talking or reasoning with them. They should know the true faith, but apparently they rejected it and now they are in a delusion and believing a lie. When I told the Priest that I was going to a Latin Mass and that I loved it, I thought he would be happy for me, but he wasn't. He was actually disgusted which shocked me as he grew up with the Latin Mass!
DeleteTell him your a Traditionalist (Sedevacantist) and you'll see him throw a complete fit of rage!
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I guess I'm the outcast of the family as I cling to that old religion and go to that old out dated Latin Mass! (How anyone cannot love the Latin Mass is beyond me). It is the most beautiful thing this side of heaven!!!!
DeleteMy third cousin was ordained in 1953 & is a radical leftist Novus Ordo type.He even has "altar girls" at his Novus Ordo temple.
DeleteI'm beginning to see a pattern with these old pre-Vatican II Priests who should know better. There is an old Novus Ordo Priest near me who was ordained in 1959. 2 yrs ago after I just found my back back to the Church, I went to talk to him. He told me I was "out of date" and gave me a new Cathecism to read!! As soon as I left his office, I threw it in the nearest trash can!! Sometime later I can across the name of his Church listed as being "gay friendly". I called the parish office and asked her what "gay friendly" meant and I was told "we don't turn anyone away". They also use "gluten free Hosts" made from rice!! This so called Priest is left of left and he must be in his 80's!! (This stuff the Novus Ordos do is so preposterous you couldn't make the stuff up)!!
DeleteThese are the very men who gave us the Vatican II sect, going along with the Apostasy. Their hatred of the Faith knows no bounds. It wouldn't surprise me if he's "gay friendly" because he's a pervert himself. They don't "turn anyone away"? Tell them if Traditionalists can attend but not participate. You'll see how fast you get turned away, condemned, and dismissed!
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Introibo - What I don't understand is if they hate the Faith so much why don't they just get out of the Church and choose a different church to go. Why do they stay? They are stumbling blocks that cause others to stumble and fall.
DeleteThey did get out of the Church, Joann. They created a false sect using the former Catholic Churches. They want to trap and ensnare others and have them fall as fast and as far as they have. Is it any wonder Pope St. Pius X said of the Modernists, "They should be beaten with fists"?
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A lot of them pre-1968 were infiltrators.
DeleteI'm beginning to think my 3rd cousin ordained in 1953 is one of them.
What I'm trying to understand is why these clergy in the 1950's and 1960's didn't just leave the Roman Catholic Church as there are plenty of Protestant denominations out there to choose from. Why did they stay in the Church if they don't like the Faith?
DeleteTo destroy it. They do the work of the devil.
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I went to confession today.
DeleteThe priest was near 90 yrs old & was ordained in 1957.
He figured out I wasn't Novus Ordo because I requested he absolve me in the traditional Latin formula.
After confession we talked and he figured out I wasn't Novus Ordo.
It seems to me some of the valid Novus Ordo priests just gave up after 1969 and didn't care anymore,it was just a job & steady income.I know there are and were infiltrators but some of them just shrugged their shoulders and went along to get along.
Nowadays they're old sick & need medical benefits plus room board and food.
Its sad to think all that knowledge of latin,proper rubrics,church history,etc...is just flushed away.
I just read on Novus Ordo Watch where anti-Pope Francis stated that pedofiles have a "disease". I guess he needs to read his bible instead of the 12 Steps!!
ReplyDeleteIntroibo: thanks for you article. I used to do AA but stopped when I realized that: 1. my problem was not a disease, or allergy, but sin. 2. I was not allowed to mention anything connected with faith in Christ. I study Freemasonry to expose it, and was struck with how strangely familiar it sounded to AA stuff. I will check the above about the use of a Oidja board. Would not surprise me. I attend an SSPX church, and do not think they are compromisers. If you are sede-vacantist, seems like you have no church, since you have no pope. God bless you!
ReplyDeleteGod Bless you as well, Kelly! I’m glad saw you out of the Masonic mess. We do have a Church, it’s just in a different state during sedevacante.
DeleteAccording to theologian Dorsch, "The Church therefore is a society that is essentially monarchical. But this does not prevent the Church, for a short time after the death of a pope, OR EVEN FOR MANY YEARS, from remaining deprived of her head. [vel etiam per plures annos capite suo destituta manet]. Her monarchical form also remains intact in this state.…
Thus the Church is then indeed a headless body.… Her monarchical form of government remains, though then in a different way — that is, it remains incomplete and to be completed. The ordering of the whole to submission to her Primate is present, even though actual submission is not…
For this reason, the See of Rome is rightly said to remain after the person sitting in it has died — for the See of Rome consists essentially in the rights of the Primate.
These rights are an essential and necessary element of the Church. With them, moreover, the Primacy then continues, at least morally. The perennial physical presence of the person of the head, however, [perennitas autem physica personis principis] is not so strictly necessary." (de Ecclesia 2:196–7; Emphasis mine)
Second, according to theologian Salaverri, instead of being a "primary foundation… without which the Church could not exist," the pope is a "secondary foundation," "ministerial," who exercises his power as someone else’s (Christ’s) representative. (See De Ecclesia 1:448)
Ask yourself, if Francis is pope, how does the SSPX pick and choose what they will and will not obey? How can Francis say, “There is no Catholic God,” and not be a heretic?
God Bless,
—-Introibo