In St. Jude 1:3, we read, "Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." [Emphasis mine]. Contending For The Faith is a series of posts dedicated to apologetics (i.e., the intellectual defense of the truth of the Traditionalism Catholic Faith) to be published the first Monday of each month. This is the next installment.
Sadly, in this time of Great Apostasy, the faith is under attack like never before, and many Traditionalists don't know their faith well enough to defend it. Remember the words of our first pope, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1Peter 3:16). There are five (5) categories of attacks that will be dealt with in these posts. Attacks against:
- The existence and attributes of God
- The truth of the One True Church established by Christ for the salvation of all
- The truth of a particular dogma or doctrine of the Church
- The truth of Catholic moral teaching
- The truth of the sedevacantist position as the only Catholic solution to what has happened since Vatican II
In addition, controversial topics touching on the Faith will sometimes be featured, so that the problem and possible solutions may be better understood. If anyone had suggestions for topics that would fall into any of these categories, you may post them in the comments. I cannot guarantee a post on each one, but each will be carefully considered.
SPECIAL NOTE TO MY READERS: Happy New Year 2023! It's hard to believe but this is the 600th (yes, six hundredth) post to be published since I began on June 2, 2010. Please pray for my guest posters Lee, Joanna From Poland, and me. Please ask that we may continue to write as a means of serving Christ, and to the edification of the faithful.
God bless you all, my dear readers---Introibo
Miraculous Cures
The Church has always been extremely careful when declaring a cure as miraculous. Such cures are most often the subject of beatifications and canonizations. This post will set forth Church teaching on miraculous cures in regard to beatifications/canonizations and what the Vatican II sect has done to make a mockery of sainthood and the truly miraculous.
Brief Summary of Church Teaching on Miracles
The definition of a miracle. According to theologian Parente, the word miracle comes from the Latin word miror---I wonder. In the broad sense, it is an extraordinary event which calls attention and excites wonder. Theologians explain it is: (a) done by God as principle cause; (b) done in the world; (c) in a way superior to all forces of nature; and outside or above, but not in violation of the laws of nature, but by an exceptional happening brought about by a divine power that intervenes in created things, producing an effect superior to their natural power. The possibility of the miracle rests chiefly on the absolute dominion of God as the First and Free Cause of the Universe, Whose laws are subordinate to Him and cannot limit either His freedom of action or His power. Only the logically impossible and that which violates His Nature (sin) are impossible to Him. (See Dictionary of Dogmatic Theology, [1951], pg. 188).
Miracles are an effect wrought in nature by the direct intervention of God. They are proofs of the truth of the Catholic religion.
Proof: From the Oath Against Modernism promulgated by Pope St. Pius X for all clerics on September 1, 1910:
Secondly, I accept and acknowledge the external proofs of revelation, that is, divine acts and especially miracles and prophecies as the surest signs of the divine origin of the Christian religion and I hold that these same proofs are well adapted to the understanding of all eras and all men, even of this time. (Emphasis mine)
From the Vatican Council (1870):
If anyone shall say that miracles are impossible, and therefore that all the accounts regarding them, even those contained in Holy Scripture, are to be dismissed as fables or myths; or that miracles can never be known with certainty, and that the divine origin of Christianity cannot be proved by them; let him be anathema.
Miracles cannot be used to help give credibility to that which is false. Any "miracle" that does so is either (a) naturally explained, and therefore not a miracle, or (b) of demonic origin.
Proof: A miracle is a deed that is sensible, extraordinary, and of divine origin. Hence, since transubstantiation is not sensible, it cannot be considered a miracle in the strict sense. Miracles can only be used to support that which is true and good. It is impossible for God to deceive. Moreover, God would equivalently be producing falsehood if He were performing some miracles in order to demonstrate that some false doctrines or a doctrine that is altogether human has been revealed by Himself. We should recognize that God allows extraordinary things to be performed by the devil. (See theologian Tanquerey, A Manual of Dogmatic Theology, [1959], 1:40-45; Emphasis mine).
God can (and does) permit miracles for the benefit of unbelievers. This is why some falsely claim that "miracles happen in all religions."
According to theologian Lepicier:
We readily admit that miracles can be worked outside the Catholic body in exceptional and individual cases, since the Holy Ghost is free to seek His instruments where He will. This creates no difficulty especially when the miracle-worker is a man of holy life and has no other aim in his works but the honor of God...as their [miracles] purpose [is] to furnish extra proofs of the existence of the supernatural order. (See Le Miracle, [1936], pg. 518; Emphasis mine).
It is certain that in no religion except the One True Church of Christ do miracles occur commonly under the full glare of scientific investigation and prove Her Divine Origin. However, the sheep that have gone astray are still under the watchful eye of the Good Shepard. The confusion of tongues at the Tower of Babel, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Pharaoh's dreams, and the plagues of Egypt are some examples of of miracles performed primarily for the benefit of unbelievers.
Summary of the Requirements for a Miracle
Cardinal-theologian Lepicier gives the requirements for a miracle as follows:
- the event must take place comparatively rarely. God did not create the world to interfere constantly with its laws
- since it is Divine in origin, the event must be of a reasonable and moral nature, with no trace of deception or sleight of hand
- it must always have a recognizable spiritual purpose
- it must bring about a general or individual good
- it is often instantaneous, but it can be progressive when God uses secondary causes
While we must believe in miracles (especially those contained in the Holy Bible), we are not bound to believe in every specific event claimed to be miraculous. We should only give credence to those events considered miracles by the authority of the Church.
Proof: Many events thought to be miraculous were denied as such by the Magisterium of the Church prior to the defection of the hierarchy at Vatican II.
- Many people claimed that they saw the statue of Our Lady of Assisi move and smile. (1948) The Church later declared there was no apparition of Our Lady in Assisi, and no miraculous events.
- There are people hundreds of years into the canonization process as of 1958 (death of Pope Pius XII) whose alleged miracles were never confirmed despite large numbers of witnesses.
- Theresa Neumann (d. 1962) was alleged to have survived only on the Eucharist for 30 years, and claimed the stigmata. The Church has never confirmed nor denied these miraculous claims which were investigated beginning in 1928.
Miraculous Cures in the Canonization Process
[This information comes from the writings of the holy medical doctor, Dr. Francois Leuret, M.D. He was frequently called by the Sacred Congregation of Rites. Under Canon 253, the Congregation, in addition to its duties regarding discipline of worship and the sacraments, also has its competence extending "...to all that in any way concerns the beatification and canonization of the servants of God, as well as sacred relics." The Congregation would call in physicians of the highest learning and most eminent experience to help determine legitimate miraculous cures. Dr. Leuret was one such medical expert, and he was at the Medical Bureau in Lourdes to determine miraculous cures there as well. He has written extensively on the proceedings of the Congregation of Rites and the medical process in determining miraculous cures. Although not a theologian, all his writings were given both the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur pre-1958, thereby ensuring beyond doubt that they are free of doctrinal and moral errors. All credit to Dr. Leuret---Introibo]
As a general rule, two miracles are required for beatification. The less conclusive is the evidence for virtues, the more miracles are demanded by the Church. This is the idea behind the decree of the Sacred Congregation of Rites dated April 23, 1741, which requires two miracles if the witnesses to the heroic virtues were eyewitnesses, and four if the evidence for heroic virtue or martyrdom was not derived from eyewitnesses. This was modified by Pope Benedict XIV on July 17, 1744; two miracles suffice if the witnesses merely received the information from eyewitnesses, information received from other meant three miracles were required. The rule does not apply to martyrs.
In the case of martyrs, if the fact of martyrdom is clearly established, marvelous signs called prodigies may suffice. A prodigy is an inexplicable happenings, the miraculous nature of which is not subjected to any rigorous proof. After the Congregation has passed the decree on martyrdom, the Congregation next must decide whether these marvelous signs are sufficient, whether they must be verified as miracles, or whether two other declared miracles are necessary. The pope, in the decree on martyrdom, may dispense from this, as was the case on March 25, 1945, for Maria Goretti, who would be canonized on June 25, 1950 by Pope Pius XII.
When deciding a miraculous cure, two medical experts are called to make a complete report. They must have extensive knowledge of, and specialize in, the diagnosis and treatment of the particular disease in question. The expert doctors' reports, concisely worded and supported by clear arguments, must reply to the following two queries:
1. If a cure is alleged, can the person in whose favor it is claimed be held as truly cured?
2. Can the fact put forward as miraculous be explained by the laws of nature or not?
Pope Benedict XIV lists the seven characteristics which stamp a cure as miraculous:
1. The disease must be serious and impossible, or at least very difficult, to cure.
2. The disease must not have reached a stage at which it was liable to disappear shortly of its own accord.
3. No medical treatment must have been applied, or if it were, it must have certainly been ineffectual.
4. The cure must be sudden, instantaneous. [it can be progressive when God uses secondary causes]
5. The cure must be complete.
6. It must not be preceded by any crisis due to natural causes at the expected time; otherwise the cure, far from being miraculous, must be considered wholly or partially as natural.
7. Finally, there must be no relapse into the same disease after the cure. [Within due time limits. Hence, a 21 year old man cured miraculously of cancer, could get cancer at age 81, and it in no way implies the cure 60 years prior wasn't miraculous].
(See Pope Benedict XIV, On the Beatification and Canonization of Servants of God; Explanations in red font mine).
A preparatory session of the Congregation looks over the reports. They look over the reports and decide if they proceed to the entire Congregation in a general meeting with the pope himself presiding. If the medical reports disagree in any way, more experts are called in until enough information is supplied. If the preparatory session votes in the negative, the cause goes no further. If the vote is in the affirmative, the cause goes forward.
If the cause moves forward, the Congregation meets in the presence of the pope, and an outline of the whole case for the servant of God is presented to His Holiness. The arguments for and against beatification are made. After several days, the pope himself decides if the miracles are genuine. If the pope decides they are, the decree of approbation of miracles is signed and published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, and the Church recognizes them as authentic miraculous cures from God.
The Congregation will then meet with the pope to discuss the following question: Whether it is now safe to proceed to the beatification of the Servant of God? The pope will listen to the opinions of all the cardinals and theologian-consultors of the Congregation. If the pope answers the query in the affirmative, the date of the beatification will be fixed on the papal calendar.
Before canonization two more miracles, which took place after the beatification, must be approved in the same way as in the beatification process. If successful, the infallible decree of canonization is signed and solemnly read by the pope; the verbiage has been fixed since 1313 by Pope Clement V:
In honor of the holy and undivided Trinity, for the exaltation of the Catholic faith and the increase of the Christian religion, by the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by Our own, after mature deliberation and having frequently implored the Divine aid, in accordance with the desires of our venerable brethren the cardinals, patriarchs, archbishops, and bishops assembled in this city, We declare and define that (Name) is a saint, and We inscribe him (her) in the catalogue of saints, and order that his (her) memory shall be kept with piety and devotion on (Feast Date), in the ranks of the martyrs (or confessors, virgins...). In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, Amen.
A Vatican II "Saint" with a Dubious "Miracle"
As an example of what passes for a "saint" in the Vatican II sect, I will take the example of Mother Teresa of Calcutta (d. 1997 and "canonized" in 2016 by Bergoglio). The Modernist Vatican only requires one miracle for beatification and one for canonization. Before the beatification process can begin, the candidate must be declared "Venerable" by heroic virtue and impeccable orthodoxy of Faith (same as pre-Vatican II). There was an eye-opening book written in 2007 entitled, Mother Teresa: The Case for the Cause by Mark Michael Zima (not a Traditionalist). This well-researched book raises serious problems with the nun. Mother Teresa apostatized to the Vatican II sect. She went full force with heretical ecumenism.
Mother Teresa: Spreading False Ecumenism.
Mother Teresa is quoted as saying, Some call him Allah, some simply God. But we all have to acknowledge that it is he (sic) who made us for the greater things: to love and be loved. God is not the false moon "god' named "Allah." God created us to know, love, and serve Him in this life, and to be eternally happy with Him in the next.
In another disturbing quote, she claimed her purpose was not to convert others but to make the Christian the better Christian, the Muslim a better Muslim, and a Hindu a better Hindu. Addressing the Masonic United Nations in 1985, she said, No color, no religion, no nationality should come between us. We are all children of God. (Emphasis mine) The purpose of a Catholic religious is to convert others to the One True Church of Christ, not to entrench others in their errors. A better Mohammedan makes for a worse person. And while it is true that God created all humans, we are not all His children. God Wills all to be saved, but He does not force Himself on us. Those who reject Him, are not His "children," anymore than non-Jews before the coming of Christ could be called His "chosen people."
She is reported as telling those in her care that, we will meet all our friends and family members who died before us in Heaven regardless of their beliefs. She also told non-Catholics, You could replace Jesus by God if you are not a Christian. She forgets "Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God hath raised from the dead, even by him this man standeth here before you whole. This is the stone which was rejected by you the builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved." (See Acts 4: 9-13; Emphasis mine).
Does this sound like "orthodoxy in doctrine" that one would expect from a saint? I'll let the reader decide.
A Questionable "Miracle"
Lastly, there's doubts as to an alleged "miracle" being used for her "canonization." It involved the cure of a young Indian woman, Monica Besra, who claimed that a tumor on her ovary was cured when a medal of Mother Teresa was touched to her body where she felt pain. Dr. Ranjan Mustafi, the chief gynecologist treating her, claims that it was the four drugs to which she was responding. The Vatican never contacted Dr. Mustafi to investigate, and nevertheless claimed "there was no medical explanation" for her cure.
Can this even begin to compare to the investigations of the One True Church?
Objection: Couldn't Mother Teresa have converted by the grace of God on her deathbed, sincerely repented, and be in Heaven as a saint?
Reply: Yes, she could be in Heaven as described because we don't know what happened in the last moments of her life between her soul and God. She did many acts of charity, and God may have granted her the grace to convert and repent as a result. "...for charity covereth a multitude of sins." (1 Peter 4:8).
However, that would make her a saint with a small "s" and all of whom we celebrate on November 1st, All Saints Day. To be a canonized saint, with "St." before the name and a feast day, it requires much more, i.e., that the saint be worthy of emulation by all the faithful. Clearly, the One True Church of Christ does not want others to emulate a "female Bergoglio:" Proselytism is solemn nonsense.
[N.B. Now that Ratzinger has gone to Judgement, how long can it be to his "canonization"?]
Conclusion
Miraculous cures are few, and a rigorous investigation should be conducted to determine what is truly from God. If in need of a cure, or anything else, have recourse to the true saints recognized from 33 to 1958. The Vatican II sect makes dubious "saints" at best. You don't want to risk praying (God forbid) to a damned soul.
Congratulations, Introibo, for 600 posts ! May you post more for a long time. The Church needs real defenders of the faith like you (and Lee and Joanna as guest posters), and not so-called religious scholars who call Ratzinger a "keeper of Catholic dogma", which he doesn't has ever been. These pseudo-specialists deceive those who are already not very educated in the Catholic faith but they will not deceive those who are awakened.
ReplyDeleteI allow myself to put a link so that those who want to know who Ratzinger really is can educate themselves:
https://novusordowatch.org/benedict-xvi/
Happy new year everyone !
Simon,
DeleteDon't know how I didn't respond sooner, but Happy New Year, my friend! RATzinger fooled many.
God Bless,
---Introibo
No problem for the delay, Introibo. Yes, Ratzinger was a clever deceiver but God is not mocked ! Now he will receive his judgment according to his works.
DeleteWell said Simon.Happy,blessed and grace-filled new year to you,Introibo,Lee,Joanna and dear readers.
ReplyDeleteTeresa of Calcutta was a fraud.She misled so many souls.We have found that most Indian Novus Ordo folk are full of hindu garbage which is straight out of hell.
As far as Ratzinger goes,it's so shocking but comes as no surprise how many in the Vatican two sect say what a true follower of Christ,his Church and it's teachings he was.God will not be mocked.How many souls are in hell because of him.
Catherine,Brisbane,Australia
Catherine, I defended him again and again when I was in the V2 sect. I was deceived but now I see how he has wronged so many souls and the Church. Now he must be accountable !
DeleteHello Simon,Well said.May I ask you to pray for me.I posted several comments about how I was misled by a NO sect Indian woman to the last writing by Introibo.What are your thoughts.Thank you my friend and brother in Christ and the Blessed Mother
DeleteDave
Dave, I'm sorry you got in trouble with that woman. May the Good Lord give you the grace to meet a woman who will be the right person for you !
DeleteAbout me, I've been single forever, never having had a girlfriend or wife. I'm not really into research but you never know ! Reading Saint Paul on these questions can be a good help. There is this passage in 1 Corinthians 7; 32-35:
"But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your profit: not to cast a snare upon you; but for that which is decent, and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment."
Catherine,
DeleteGlad to hear from a reader "Down Under"! RATzinger fooled many.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you so much Simon.
DeleteWhat is worse is this woman got her new boyfriend to come and parade around our work so as to make me jealous.Just a rotten soul.
Do you like reading?Do you have many books?
God bless,Dave
Dave,
DeleteI'm horrified at the way most women conduct themselves today. It seems the greatest insult for these females is to be called feminine, caring, and loyal. I'm sure, though, you'll get over this wicked woman. I'm saying this as a single lady, having no Catholic companions outside the Internet, save for my immediate family. I must admit I do enjoy being single, although at some point I was hypothetically considering the married state. There's so much good one can do for God's greater glory and the salvation of souls when not burdened with family obligations. What's really hard is the lack of immediate support when you're not married, but I've found great consolation in being able to read and comment here at Introibo's where I've found wonderful kindred souls. God is so good in dispensing his gifts! Stay close to Our Lord and the Blessed Virgin, and St. Joseph too, esp. through the Rosary, don't neglect prayer, it'll surely get you safely through your grief.
God Bless You,
Joanna S.
Joanna,Introibo and Simon
DeleteDon't you think that it's both sick and evil a woman sending her child off to be brought up by it's grandparents so she can play round with her new boyfriend.These are evil times.What man would want to be friends with someone like that in the view to courting and marriage.
Thomas
Europe
Thomas,
DeleteI agree that the woman is selfish, narcissistic, and plain evil. Not marriage material for any decent man. Unfortunately, there are more evil people than truly good ones these days--at least in my experience.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Joanna,
DeleteYour contributions here have been amazing! Happy New Year!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Dave, I don't read much now, but I've read the Bible a lot over the past few years.
DeleteThomas, having children involves responsibilities but some parents do not want to assume them. Not a very responsible attitude !
Introibo,
DeleteI know I'm repeating myself but I'll say this again: your blog has been the chief reason for my conversion (apart from the grace of God!). I owe you a lot, my friend.
God Bless You and Happy New Year!
Joanna S.
Joanna,
DeleteStories like yours makes everything done here more than worth it!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo:
ReplyDelete1. Let's say somebody is going to SSPX because they can't get to another traditional Mass. Then let's say that later then the person is able to get to for example SSPV. What should such a person say to SSPX when first approaching them, and then leaving them, and to SSPV when joining them?
2. What do you think about Opus Dei, and were they ever "traditional"?
3. What do you think about the Knights of Columbus, and were they ever "traditional"?
Thank you. Anonymous
@anon2:53
Delete1. The SSPV has nothing against Mass attendance at SSPX. The SSPX would most probably deny Communion to a sede. If you leave SSPX no need to tell them why. If coming to them after SSPV, don't mention sedevacantism unless they bring it up.
2. See my post:
http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2015/07/opus-diaboli.html
3. The Knights WERE great pre-V2. They are now a joke and not at all Traditional, let alone Traditionalist!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Excellent writing yet againYou must put many hours in each week to prepare these.Thank you.All the best for 2023.In Jesus,Mary and good Saint Joseph.AS
ReplyDeleteAS,
DeleteThank you, my friend! Comments like yours keep me writing!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo and readers.Have you watched the wonderful Masses streaming and available on the website from Saint Gertrude the Great in Ohio.The High Mass is like being in Heaven.We are very impressed with Bishop McGuire as he carries on the work of late Bishop Dolan of saving souls.God bless,Anne
ReplyDeleteAnne,
DeleteI have not seen it, but I know a lot of good comes out of SGG!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Anne,I agree with you.Bishop Charles McGuire is an excellent bishop and I do enjoy his fine preaching.I too watch their Masses,etc.
ReplyDeleteThomas
Europe
I have a question for you Introibo on the religious life.I have no connection with the SSPV but why has the Daughters of Mary had so much success with vocations.Every year at least 5-6 young women enter at RoundTop.It's really amazing.God bless
ReplyDelete@anon8:00
DeleteIn my opinion, I think the solid Traditionalist Catholic education that the SSPV school supplies fosters many vocations.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Dear IAAD, the CSPV - SSPV denies Communion to layfolk going to Archbishop Thuc lineage chapelz and that's a huge number!!! All CMRI...all SGG... Bp Robert McKenna and Bp Sanborn groups...practially all sedevacantists. SSPV CSPV are not sedevacantists and are in effect schismstics. Daughters of Mary are part of CSPV - SSPV. Growth does not signify orthodoxy and truth...EG SSPX.
ReplyDelete@anon5:33
DeleteThe failure to give Communion to those who go to "Thuc Line" clergy is wrong. The SSPV is indeed sedevacantist, they just don't REQUIRE you to believe it. I know this as I know almost all SSPV clergy personally and have asked many of them about their beliefs re: sedevacantism.
To be R&R, while wrong, is not schismatic in fact only in mindset. There is no pope to whom you withhold obedience.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anonymous 5:33am
DeleteIt is uncharitable comments like yours that made me afraid to go to SSPV at all. When I asked Bishop Sanborn if I could go to SSPV he told me yes. He said they have their differences but that does not affect me. I went and found wonderful priests, religious and people. Introibo’s evaluation of the Daughters of Mary is spot on.
@anon 1131am Pitchfork down the lack of charity is all yours while the truth only was expressed. They are schismatic by act and word. Bp Santay still publicly announces during sermins Thuc lineage will be refused Communion. It is wrutten policy in the church entry areas.
DeleteIAAD Not just "wrong" but a schismatic act and great lack of charity to refuse Communion ti Catholics in good standing. You know a family who were refused Communion at the rail for going to Thuc masses. State the truth fully or close up shop here because your wirk is hypocrisy as you support your team not the truth or faith. Fr Jenkins said in one of his public interviews on his raduo show that thry are not sedevacantists which trumps your private duscussons that cannot be verified. If you claim "secret sedes" it is worthless because no can ever know and it cannot help anyone. That's what the R+R claim. Your now a R+R apologist. Schismatic only in mindset? Only? Your mind is gone. Catholics cannot separate the belief in mind from outward action - pray as you believe - lex orandi lex credendi. Those who believe Francis is Pope are obliged to obey accirding to Catholic teaching. They not you are the ones who hold beliefs in their minds and hearts and God knows it, and they not you must account for it. You hinder them. With your logoc anyone can hold any schismatic belief and save their soul which is false. People who believe and convince others that they can have a schizo faith are doing the devils work and endangering their own soul..
@anon6:04
Delete1. It is not schismatic to refuse Communion to Catholics if they go to dubious clergy for dubious Sacraments. The problem is the SSPV is absolutely wrong that so-called "Thuc Clergy" are dubious. The manifest weight of the credible evidence clearly shows that Thuc-line clergy are NOT dubious and SSPV are wrong in fact.
The SSPV is therefore wrong. They keep the rule because of Bp. Kelly's intransience. As long as you don't say anything, they will not interrogate you about anywhere else you attend Mass.
2. I'm not here to support "my team." I support the Church whether it be SSPV, CMRI, or Fr. DePauw (RIP) and other independent priests. I go where the evidence leads. I'm pro-1958 Holy Week, pro-Thuc, and refuse to condemn so-called "Una Cum" Masses. To suggest I'm beholden to some group of clergy and "tow their line" is manifestly false and calumnious.
3. Fr. Jenkins is correct that they DO NOT IMPOSE SEDEVACANTISM. Yet they do, in fact, believe in it themselves.
4. It's not just my private discussions, but public statements from SSPV clergy attesting to sedevacantism. Bishop Santay, in a sermon given on Long Island, stated PUBLICLY to the congregation at Mass, "If Francis is pope, then Bishop Kelly and I should lay down our croziers and pledge our allegiance to him. Needless to say, we're never doing that." That can be verified. You can also call and ask their personal view on sedevacantism.
5. No, my mind is not gone yet, and God willing it will stay with me in old age. The principle of impossibility of fact (civil law) would apply. A person wants to murder someone. He then shoots his gun at an innocent victim and his gun is not loaded. Did he commit murder? No, only attempted murder, and there is no "attempted schism." Schism, according to theologian Szal, is committed when someone "professes belief in the sovereign power and primacy of the Pope, but OUT OF MALICE refuses to be subject to him and to obey him as the Head of the Church and the Vicar of Christ on earth." (See "The Communion of Catholics with Schismatics," [1948], pg.2; Emphasis mine).
Two points: (a) You can't "refuse to be subject" to the pope if no such person currently exists. (b) The R&R (SSPX) don't withhold obedience to Bergoglio OUT OF MALICE but because they [erroneously] believe it is necessary to be loyal to him and the Church. The element of malice is therefore absent. They are wrong but not schismatic. The Church is in unique times, and if the papacy is restored it will be up to a TRUE POPE to decide if R&R constitutes true schism, not you or me.
I'm NOT (nor have I ever) sought to convince others the R&R is a Catholic position, but it cannot be declared schismatic.
I suggest you make future comments after you do some research on schism, and what constitutes charity in making comments. You have much to learn about both.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I am the reader who asked about Mrs. Benns a few weeks ago. I start by saying that I am ignorant and therefore I may need to be explained well because I do not know these issues. I read the article that advised me and I have deduced the following about episcopal consecrations and priestly ordinations and if I am wrong, tell me:
ReplyDeleteYou say:
"According to theologian DeSalvo, "As long as the lack of proper intent is not outwardly manifest, the Church presumes that the minister's intent is correct."
http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2020/05/betrayed-by-benns.html?m=1
I ask and give an example: if in the year 1966, using the valid rite, in the Vatican II Church a bishop ordains a priest with the INTENTION that as a priest he serve a false Church and obey the false Pope Paul VI then the The intention of the minister would not be correct and therefore the priestly ordination in question would not be valid, right? Thanks and excuse my ignorance.
Anonymous,
DeleteHappy New Year to You and Yours!
A valid minister using valid sacramental rite is presumed to have the intent to do what the Church does, and thus confers the sacrament (holy orders in this case) validly. In 1966 the rules, so to speak, promulgated by Pope Pius XII in "Sacramentum Ordinis" in 1947 were (and continue to be) utilized by bishops, whether tainted with Modernism or not. Note that hardly anyone in 1966 would consider the legitimacy of Montini's claim to the papacy - we have a tremendous benefit of hindsight that was almost impossible to be had all those decades ago.
Some people have been trying to overthrow the validity of priestly ordinations and episcopal consecrations done by Abp. Lefebvre, claiming that he was ordained (or consecrated? can't remember which one) by a bishop belonging to the ranks of the Freemasons. This is absurd and contrary to the teaching and practice of the Church. Valid minister using correct form and matter (and all that is included in a given sacramental rite of the Catholic Church) is presumed to have the right intention.
I'm sure Introibo can elaborate on that.
God Bless,
Joanna S.
@anon6:59
DeleteJoanna is correct. I will elaborate a bit and if you want citations, I can provide them. For a sacrament to be valid five things are necessary:
1. Proper Matter--the material things used (e.g., water for Baptism)
2. Proper Form--the words necessary to define the matter (e.g., "THIS IS MY BODY").
3. Proper Administer--the individual capable of conferring the sacrament (e.g., only a Bishop may validly confer Holy Orders).
4. Proper Intention--the administer must "Intend to do what the Church does"--a LOW BAR to pass
5. No Obex (invalidating obstacle on the part of the recipient--e.g., the female sex is an obex to valid reception of Holy Orders)
In the Sacraments of Penance the additional requirement of Jurisdiction is necessary for validity.
The Church requires a presumption of validity whenever a Catholic cleric seriously undertakes to confer a sacrament. In 1966 the Traditional Rite was still in use. You would have a valid Bishop using the valid Rite. The ordaining/consecrating Bishop must intend to DO what the Church does not intend to do what the Church INTENDS. As long as he intends to make a priest or bishop it is enough for validity. He would need to have a positive contrary intention while performing the Rite (i.e., say within himself "I do not want this man to be a priest") and that can only be known if he divulges it.
I hope this helped!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you very much Joanna and Introibo.
DeleteNow that Ratzinger has gone to Judgement, how long can it be to his "canonization"?
ReplyDeleteOn Feb. 17, 2018, National Catholic Register's Edward Pentin wrote an article quoting Francis who said:
“There are two Bishops of Rome who have recently become saints: John XXIII and John Paul II,” the Pope said. “Paul VI will become one this year. Benedict and I are on the waiting list. Pray for us.”
Lee
Lee,
DeleteI wouldn't be surprised if Bergoglio dispenses the requirement of being dead and "canonizes himself"!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Don't be surprised to hear some shouting "santo subito!" after his death. There are people who really believe that this man is a saint, that he is the "pope of the poor" !
DeleteHi Introibo
ReplyDeleteOn the subject of courting and marriage.I have just starting working with a woman in her early 30's whom I thought was nice.A few days ago I heard her use the f vulgar word as a expression of anger.Then in the staff room during our break she made the comment about not wanting children and other selfish comments.She made the claim that she listens to music on several protestant christian radio stations but keeps making the o my God also as a act of anger and uses other foul words.Before seeing all this I thought she might be a good woman to begin a friendship with that could lead to her to conversion and then a relationship.I now have that gut feeling that this may not be possible.Do I keep trusting and waiting on God to send someone else.Advice please.Thank you.
@anon9:01
DeleteA woman who uses vulgarity with ease and publicly states she does not want children is, in my opinion, no lady and is a "child of the world." My advice? Avoid her like the plague.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo.I remember several years ago a young woman at work who said she would not marry and have children because her pop was strange and had verbally abused her when she was young.She had been put off marriage.I thought this was very strange.If a decent and kind man came in to her life,this could change her.Your thoughts?
Delete@5:46
DeleteHow do you know "If a decent and kind man came in to her life, this could change her"? It's taking a risk because it is very hard for people to overcome dispositions acquired from abuse as a child--not impossible of course, but difficult. Each person has to be taken as an individual, and you need to see the overall picture. Anyone thinking of dating such a woman should do so only upon careful and prayerful reflection.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I thank you for your answer.Yes,I agree it would be difficult.
DeleteHave you had dealings with narcisstic women?What are the redflags?
God bless
@anon8:09
DeleteYes, I have. Some red flags (in my experience):
1. Obsessive attention to her looks, clothes, weight and what others think
2. Your profession and money are her primary "qualities" she wants in a man
3. She has to have things her way all the time or 90% of the time
4. Saying things to make you feel "less than"
5. Faith is nominal and of no great importance
6. She doesn't want kids or "maybe one," as if marriage and children are a burden and not a vocation/blessing
7. Puts her career and material things first
God Bless,
---Introibo
Again thank you so much for your answer and quick reply.
DeleteIf one is very serious about one's Faith and getting to Heaven,God will give you the graces of discernment to avoid women like that.Having said that one has to experience one to know how devious they are.It can be quite hurting.
Do you know of any men who have been through heartache with these type of women?
Most Novus Ordo women are like this.We are in evil times.
I love your talks on Catholic Family Podcast.
God bless
@anon9:03
DeleteYes, I've known many men hurt by women like the ones I described---including me! (That's how I know some red flags). The heartache will get better in time if you keep praying and trust in God. Always desire to know His Will for your life, and He will not fail to make it known. If the married life is your vocation, it will work out for a man of true Faith. I'm but one example of this truth!
God Bless,
---Introibo
For me the great complaint are women who behave immodestly singing sexually explicit lyrics and twerking in public, yet somehow they are always moaning about sexism, machismo and the pAtrIaRchY
DeleteHaving a interest in reading,what pre vatican two books on holy orders and sacramental theology would you suggest Intriobo.Both beginner and advanced writings please.
ReplyDelete@anon4:35
DeleteThree theologians will give you great insight:
"Channels of Redemption" by theologian Herzog
"The Administration of the Sacraments" by theologian Halligan, and theologian Pohle from his 12 volumes on Dogmatic Theology, see the Sacraments in general and each one in particular.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteCongrats on 600 posts! Very interesting article, thank you. I remember hearing Mother Teresa being referred to as a “living saint” often, in decades past.
Enjoyed your Hinduism article. I shared information from both articles with others.
God bless you and the other writers,
-Seeking Truth
Seeking Truth,
DeleteThank you, my friend!!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello all,
ReplyDeletePlease pray for my private intentions. Thank you!
God Bless,
-S.T.
Seeking Truth,
DeleteYou are in my prayers always, and especially now. I ask all my readers to do the same.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo, Joanna S. and all Readers,
ReplyDeleteBlessings and God's graces and Our Lady's protection for the New Year to you and your families.
God Bless,
Paweł
Pawel,
DeleteThank you, my friend! Good to have comments from another informed Traditionalist living in Poland.
God Bless your family and you,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo:
ReplyDelete1. Do you think that very many of the SSPV priests, brothers, sisters, and lay people are currently "anti Thuc"? If a convert came to them who was anti Thuc, and was very vocal about it, I suppose that they would be okay with it?
2. About somebody who is an abuse victim: I know from personal experience that just because somebody has been abused, does not mean that the person is going to turn out as their abusers. I have gone through some terrible things, and although I of course am not perfect, I am not like my abusers. I know that I should not do that, abuse people, and I don't! I am rather "normal", and I also enjoy being around people. I consider myself to be a kind person. I think that it helps to literally physically get out of a bad situation if possible. Forgive, which I have, but if the situation is bad enough, DO NOT reconcile.
No, I am not trying to get a boyfriend via this blog, although I am definitely capable of marriage and children!
3. Thank you. Anonymous
Hi Anonymous 12.04PM.Good points you have made.I look forward to the reply of Introibo.God bless
Delete@anon12:04
Delete1.Only a minority of SSPV congregants in NY are truly anti-Thuc. Would they be OK with someone vocally anti-Thuc? Yes, since Bp. Kelly sadly insists on making this the "official stance" of the SSPV.
2. I agree with you. I wrote above "...it is very hard for people to overcome dispositions acquired from abuse as a child--not impossible of course, but difficult. Each person has to be taken as an individual, and you need to see the overall picture." I'm glad your someone of strong character, and by the Grace of God, became a very good person in spite of the abuse you endured.
3. You're welcome!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo:Your above Redflag-Faith is nominal and of no great importance.Can you explain more detail.
ReplyDeleteI am a young 22 year old man discerning my vocation.
James
James,
DeleteThis means that the woman sees going to Church as a chore and not a great privilege (esp. in these times of Great Apostasy). She rarely, if ever, prays the Rosary or does anything apart from the bare minimum necessary to be considered a "good Traditional Catholic." God is an afterthought, and religion practiced for a short time on Sunday.
I hope you got a more clear picture!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo:
ReplyDelete1. If somebody is visiting for example St. Patrick's Cathedral, as a tourist, and a Novus Ordo service is going on, would you say that they should leave, just ignore it, or what should be done?
2. How would you explain the Novus Ordo to:
A. A potential convert to traditional Catholicism who has never seen the Novus Ordo in person.
B. A child or adult who was raised in traditional Catholicism, and who has also never seen the Novus Ordo in person.
Thank you. Anonymous
Excellent questions.
Delete@anon12:41
Delete1. You're dealing with being in a former Catholic Church occupied by Non-Catholics during false worship. The principles of moral theology are nicely put forth by theologians McHugh and Callan:
*Your presence must be strictly passive.
*You must have a good reason to be there
*There must be no danger of perversion to your faith or chance of giving scandal
(Condensed from "Moral Theology" [1929], 1:377-378)
You can go if these requirements are met. For me personally, I will not go to St. Patrick's Cathedral because the Novus Bogus Circus ia almost always going on, and I don't want to be anywhere near that mockery of Christ.
2 A&B)
I would tell them it is a non-Catholic, neo-Protestant bread and wine service not unlike the table service of Lutherans. I would tell them to go to a Lutheran service and then the Novus Bogus and see if they are really different. The only real difference is that the Lutheran service will be more reverent and they admit it's not a sacrifice.
God Bless,
---Introibo
+ADMG
ReplyDeleteHello Introibo and everyone
A very blessed 2023 to you.Thank you so much for this excellent website.Those of us in the desert so to speak are often unsure where to turn.We are learning so much about the True Faith after breaking from the Novus Ordo sect months ago.Keep up the outstanding work.You are a scholar and know how to give sound advice to one's questions.God bless
@anon1:00
DeleteSo glad to hear of your conversion! You're in my prayers!
Kind words, such as yours, keep me writing.
God Bless,
---Introibo
All the best for 2023 Introibo.Look forward to your future writing.God blessings on you and your family.You are in my daily prayers.
ReplyDeleteA CMRI priest
Dear Reverend Father,
DeleteI can't thank you enough! The prayers of a True Priest mean the world to me (I need all the prayers I can get!). Be assured of my prayers as well. You have a most difficult vocation in these evil days, Father. Thank you for keeping the Holy Sacrifice and True Sacraments alive for Traditionalist Catholics. Priests like you are real heroes.
God Bless,
---Introibo
God bless you, Fr. ! We need true and holy priests as the priesthood is defiled by the immoral, pervert and impious false clergy of the V2 sect.
DeleteWe are sure since your talks on the podcast more and more folk are reading your website.Thanks be to God.
ReplyDeleteOn the subject of Ratzinger,I was so shocked to read some of his books years ago and see the blasphemy,heresy and straight mocking of the Truths of our Faith.He was no man of Tradition but as Bishop Dolan called him back in 2005 a sleek and slimy modernist.Millions of souls are in hell beacuse of his perverted teaching,etc.
@anon7:28
DeleteThank you for listening to the Catholic Family Podcast! Mr. Kevin Davis is a wonderful Traditionalist Catholic man.
As to RATzinger, you are correct. He and Fr. DePauw frequently clashed as periti (theological experts) at Vatican II. He was an evil man from the beginning.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Ratzinger is an intellectual and refined version of Bergoglio.
DeleteYour reply to James about a woman being nominal about the Faith and it being of no great importance.How would you answer about a narcisstic Novus Ordo woman who as Dave said having a rosary in her automobile,etc but goes to "Church" maybe Christmas and Easter if even that.Does not pray the rosary or have a spiritual life and listens to music like lady gaga.I am sure you are going to say she is playing games with her soul.God bless
ReplyDelete@anon11:46
DeleteThat's exactly what I'm going to say! That's superficial religion, or as it is called, "practical atheism." Lip service is paid to God, but life is lived as if He did not exist.
God Bless,
---Introibo
+ADMG
ReplyDeleteIntroibo and dear readers
I was sent a link to a youtube video.Type in Gotthard tunnel opening ritual (shocking).The new railway tunnel in Switzerland.
As you have knowledge Introibo of the occult,this shows the worship of satan.Most people would have no idea.Our world is sinking so fast.
God bless
The Gotthard Tunnel show happened in 2016
Delete@anon 1:33
DeleteAgreed, it is shocking. I've watched in the past while researching some things on the LHC. These kind of things are happening more often that people realize.
That said, people should be warned there are scandalous and impure images and acts.
-S.T.
S.T
DeleteWhat is LHC short for?
Have you or anyone read the books of Texe Marrs(non Catholic) on the occult,etc.He does have some good material.Most folk are so blind to what is going on.
@anon1:33
DeleteThat was SICK, EVIL and filled with impurity. Beware if you watch it, as Seeking Truth warned. I wish I could say I'm shocked, but I'm not. Many people need to learn about the Occult Explosion after V2.
@anon6:26
Texe Marrs does have some good information on the occult, but please beware there is a lot of Protestant heresy mixed in, so I can't endorse his material. For example, he denigrates praying to the saints as "necromancy."
God Bless,
---Introibo
Are there any good traditional Catholic books on the subject of the Occult?
Delete@anon4:06
DeleteYes. Fr. Herbert Thurston (d. 1939), a scholar in many ecclesiastical topics, wrote two outstanding and solidly Catholic books on the occult---"The Church and Spiritualism," and "Ghosts and Poltergeists." Fr. Thurston, for reasons not entirely clear, became aware of the dangers of the occult going on in his day, and used his writing to expose it. I can only imagine what the good priest would say about today's Occult Explosion.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anon6:26 Large Hadron Collider
Delete+ADMG
ReplyDeleteIntroibo.I would also like to say how anyone can have anything to do with satanic false religion of hinduism.Look at their perverted images of their "Gods"
The Vatican two sect has no problem with them.
God bless
@anon2:04
DeleteThe V2 sect sees them as "having partial truth" and being a "means of salvation." Hence, in the damnable document from Hell--Nostra Aetate, para. #2, we read:
" Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. "
God Bless,
---Introibo
"Having partial Truth" What blasphemy.The Vatican Two Sect is from Hell.
DeleteIntroibo,what do think about women who wear long fake finger nails?I went to a Christmas work afternoon party and one woman whom I thought was decent had these and they were muti-colured which I found repulsive.I would not feel comfortable dating a woman like that.
ReplyDelete@anon2:57
DeletePersonally, I do not think they are attractive. Sometimes, the woman is told they are attractive and wears them due to peer pressure. You need to see the full picture of the person first.
God Bless,
---Introibo
It was told to me by a fellow worker that she goes with her friends to bars and nightclubs.I would want nothing to do with someone like that.Sure you will agree.
ReplyDeleteOn the subject of the traditional liturgy.Do you Introibo know the reason why many SSPX priests don't wear a biretta?I have heard that they disappeared in France in the 1950"s and Archbishop Lefebvre did not like them?In the rubrics of the 1962 missal they talk of the priest wearing one.Help please
As a matter of interest what classical music do you like?I love mozart and palestrina.
A blessed and grace filled new year.God bless
@7:04
DeleteI agree that women who frequent bars and nightclubs are bad news. I know SSPX priests who do wear birettas so I'm not sure how to respond. Maybe something new? Do any of my readers know?
In classical music, I've always been partial to Beethoven. My favorite piece is the Moonlight Sonata.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I also like to listen to Beethoven on occasion, especially the Pastoral Symphony, the Violin Concerto Op.61 and the Moonlight Sonata.
DeleteThis is not composed by Beethoven but I like it:
https://youtu.be/H5eVx5-pC9E
I'm in good company ;-) Moonlight is my favorite as well. One of these days I'll try to learn the 3rd movement.
DeleteSimon, thanks for listing Op. 61, as it was very good. I'm sure I heard it before, but like many of these pieces, I didn't know the name.
-S.T.
Here is op.61:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8hQSMxa7gk
Yes,that is a nice piece of music.
ReplyDeleteWhat food do you like Introibo?
@anon10:27
DeleteItalian with Chinese a close second place.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Mexican food?
Delete@12:28
DeleteI like "Taco Bell;" that's about as "Mexican food" as I get! Lol
God Bless,
---Introibo
You must love pizza(smile)I too love chinese i.e stirfrys,black pepper beef,sweet and sour pork.Any asian dish is nice.
ReplyDeleteDo you have many famous diners on Long Island?
I am sure Joanna from Poland likes sausage's.
God bless you my friend
@anon1:02
DeleteAs most of my time is here in NYC, I do not frequent diners on LI.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Indeed, I'm all for meat, lol!
DeleteOne of the best delicacies we have in Poland is a kind of smoked pork sausage, seasoned well with juniper berries. Best when thoroughly dried.
God Bless,
Joanna S.
Introibo.The young women I am courting is filipino and their food is very nice.Anything asian is nice.I also like the chinese food from the province of Sichuan(lots of black pepper and garlic)
ReplyDeleteWe can buy doctor pepper here.
M
New Zealand
M,
DeleteDr. Pepper! Wow. I remember it here as a young child. It has all but disappeared from NY.
God Bless,
---Introibo
We are certain now RATzinger has gone,Bergoglio will step up with more damage tactics.Please SSPX wake up.Can you imagine what the late Archbishop would be saying.We are sure he would of sent bishop Fellay to spend the rest of his days in a monastery for his misleading garbage.Your thoughts Introibo.
ReplyDeleteThank God and our Blessed Mother for the CMRI and SSPV.Those true bishops and priests work so hard.
@anon2:42
DeleteAs I stated just below, if Abp. Lefebvre were alive, he would be sedevacantist. He considered the idea in the mid-70s. With Bergoglio, he would embrace it, in my opinion. The CMRI and SSPV are both doing God's work for the salvation of souls. We need them more than ever!
God Bless,
---Introibo
We would also like your thoughts on the new superior of the SSPX Father David Pagliarani.It would seem he is more hardline regarding Rome then the garbage of Bishop Fellay.Thank you and God bless
ReplyDelete@anon2:49
DeleteI agree, but even Fr. Pagliarani has a long way to go. If Abp. Lefebvre were alive, he would be sedevacantist. He considered the idea in the mid-70s. With Bergoglio, he would embrace it, in my opinion.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Agree 100% Introibo.I came to the CMRI 4 decades ago after knowing that a true Vicar of Christ cannot take part in the worship of false Gods.That and many other things woke me up.The Archbishop was a good man.
ReplyDeleteLOL a 100 comments in the first post of the year.
ReplyDeletePoni,
DeleteI'm off to a good start! Now over 100!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Let us all pray for Father Pagliarani.There are some very good priests in the SSPX who are saving souls.
ReplyDeleteIntroibo,have you met bishop Pivarunas?What about other traditional bishops besides the SSPV?Have you ever been to a Mass celebrated by bishop Kelly?What about visited RoundTop?
There must be some famous pizza diners in NYC.We have Sals which are very nice.
@anon7:32
DeleteI have spoken to some bishops telephonically. Only SSPV Bishop I have not met in person is Bp. Kelly.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Met Bishop Joseph Santay thrice,though briefly. He's very pius centered well rounded dignified with a very friendly talkative welcoming personality. Pray that him & Bp.Carroll work w the Thuc line & Resistance-SSPX. We need some type of unity.
ReplyDeletePray & have a Holy Sacrifice of Mass offered for Catholic Pope & Hierarchy.
God bless -Andrew