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I wish all of my readers and their families in the United States a Happy and Holy Thanksgiving!
God bless you all, my dear readers---Introibo
UPDATE: Due to Mr. Davis falling ill, the live podcast with Steve will air on Tuesday, December 2, 2025 @ 9pm NYC time!
The Gates of Hell Vs. The Gates of the Church
By Steven Speray
In 2015, I posted The Gates of Hell and the Gates of the Church (The Best Defense for Sedevacantism) I revisited the topic in 2020. However, it’s never a bad idea to review old topics and keep them ready at hand when needed. The following is a solid response to those who keep bringing up the same ole tired arguments against sedevacantism.
A common anti-sedevacantist argument that keeps popping up concerns the gates of hell.
If sedevacantism is true, says the opponent, then the gates of hell have prevailed.
Therefore, sedevacantism can’t be true.
Most everyone is unaware that the Church has told us what the gates of hell are.
Pope Vigilius at the Second Council of Constantinople, in 553 called “the tongues of heretics” the “gates of hell.”
Pope St. Leo IX’s, In terra pax hominibus, Sept. 2, 1053, declared to Michael Cerularius that “the gates of Hell” are the “disputations of heretics.”
Pope Leo XIII declared in Satis Cognitum on June 29, 1896:
The words – and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it proclaim and establish the authority of which we speak. “What is the it?” (writes Origen). “Is it the rock upon which Christ builds the Church or the Church? The expression indeed is ambiguous, as if the rock and the Church were one and the same. I indeed think that this is so, and that neither against the rock upon which Christ builds His Church nor against the Church shall the gates of Hell prevail” (Origenes, Comment. in Matt., tom. xii., n. ii). The meaning of this divine utterance is, that, notwithstanding the wiles and intrigues which they bring to bear against the Church, it can never be that the church committed to the care of Peter shall succumb or in any wise fail. “For the Church, as the edifice of Christ who has wisely built ‘His house upon a rock,’ cannot be conquered by the gates of Hell, which may prevail over any man who shall be off the rock and outside the Church, but shall be powerless against it” (Ibid.). Therefore God confided His Church to Peter so that he might safely guard it with his unconquerable power.
As Catholics (sedevacantists), we know and understand that the gates of hell are basically heretics and heresies according to papal teaching and it is precisely because we believe in Christ’s declaration that we hold to sedevacantism.
Pope Leo XIII called the Roman Pontiffs “the Gates of the Church” in his 1894 encyclical letter Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae.
Therefore, Roman Pontiffs can’t be heretics or else the gates of the Church and the gates of hell would be one and the same thing implying the Church and Hell are identical. Can the Gates of Hell run the Church? It’s a total absurdity.
However, many who call themselves Catholic have admitted that they personally think the Vatican 2 popes have been heretics and at the same time true popes of the Catholic Church.
Even if they privately believed this were true, it would mean they personally think the gates of hell and the Gates of the Church are one and the same thing.
They argue that a public judgment must be made by their bishops before a pope ceases to be or considered not the pope. The problem, however, is that before their bishops can make that public judgment against the pope, they must first make a private one. In doing so, they would believe the gates of hell and the Gates of the Church are one and the same thing, which is impossible.
Therefore, the entire scenario of needing warnings, declarations, etc. to make an official determination that a true pope is not a true pope is impossible. No one can even suspect the pope of heresy without the consequence of suspecting that the Head of the Church forms the gates of hell. There can be no doubt about the pope for as Rev. Francis X Doyle, S.J. so elegantly explained in 1927, “The Church is a visible society with a visible Ruler. If there can be any doubt about who that visible Ruler is, he is not visible…Blessed Bellarmine, S.J., says: ‘A doubtful Pope must be considered as not Pope.’”
This fact refutes every argument or proposition ever put forth by any and all theologians, canonists, etc., that a pope can be heretical or else Peter and his successors who’ve been handed the Church by God for safekeeping from the gates of hell can themselves be the gates of hell.
Only a pope can cease to be pope by himself, and every individual Catholic must recognize that fact by believing and accepting the laws and teachings of the Church and the Divine laws of God. A heretic is not a member of the Church.
Pope Innocent III, Eius exemplo, Dec. 18, 1208:
“By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one Church, not of heretics, but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics…”
St. Antoninus, O.P. (1389-1459):
“In the case in which the pope would become a heretic, he would find himself, by that fact alone and without any other sentence, separated from the Church. A head separated from a body cannot, as long as it remains separated, be head of the same body from which it was cut off. ‘A pope who would be separated from the Church by heresy, therefore, would by that very fact itself cease to be head of the Church. He could not be a heretic and remain pope, because, since he is outside of the Church, he cannot possess the keys of the Church.’” (Summa Theologica cited in Actes de Vatican I. V. Frond pub.)
Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum, June 29, 1896:
“So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life. Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, January 6, 1928:
“10. So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it. To the one true Church of Christ, we say, which is visible to all, and which is to remain, according to the will of its Author, exactly the same as He instituted it. During the lapse of centuries, the mystical Spouse of Christ has never been contaminated, nor can she ever in the future be contaminated, as Cyprian bears witness: ‘The Bride of Christ cannot be made false to her Spouse: she is incorrupt and modest. She knows but one dwelling, she guards the sanctity of the nuptial chamber chastely and modestly.’ The same holy Martyr with good reason marveled exceedingly that anyone could believe that ‘this unity in the Church which arises from a divine foundation, and which is knit together by heavenly sacraments, could be rent and torn asunder by the force of contrary wills.’ For since the mystical body of Christ, in the same manner as His physical body, is one, compacted and fitly joined together, it were foolish and out of place to say that the mystical body is made up of members which are disunited and scattered abroad: whosoever therefore is not united with the body is no member of it, neither is he in communion with Christ its head.
11. Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.”
Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi, June 29, 1943:
“For not every sin, however grave it may be, is such as of its own nature to sever a man from the Body of the Church, as does schism or heresy or apostasy.”
Conclusion
If sedevacantism is true, have "the Gates of Hell prevailed"? The teaching of the Church Herself makes it clear that the answer is a resounding "NO"!
Dear Introibo,
ReplyDeleteThank you for feauturing Steven on your blog. Steven is one of my favorite apologists. I have three questions:
Should Catholics honor Napoleon Bonaparte? Does he belong with Charlemagne and Saint Louis IX?
What is the difference between mainstream Franciscans and Capuchin Franciscans?
What would happen to a priest before Vatican II if he said the mass in vernacular?
Napoleon kidnapped Pope Pius VII and held him prisoner until the fall of the Empire. He was therefore a persecutor of the Church and the opposite of the holy King Louis IX.
DeleteRyan,
Delete1.As to Napoleon, I agree with Simon.
2. Capuchins are more austere than the rank and file.
3. Without special permission, that priest would have been suspended and asked by his Ordinary to explain himself. It could lead to further penalties.
God Bless,
---Introibo
He is one of my favorite apologists too :)
DeleteStephanie
Hi Introibo, would it be ok if I were to ask your readers to help with St. Anne's school expansion project? We are trying to raise funds to make a new school building since we are running out of space. If not no worries, I know Fr. Mrotzka and Fr.Krug would greatly appreciate any help. If thats ok I can post the info for anyone who is inclined to donate. Thank you and God bless.
ReplyDeleteThanks so much Introibo and to all the readers of this blog, any support is greatly appreciated!
DeleteSearch St. Anne's Academy on gofundme
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God bless everyone.
Also excellent article as always, whether its Introibo or a guest writer its always edifying.
David,
DeleteAlways happy to help the good clergy and laity of the SSPV!
God Bless,
---Introibo
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Delete*Venmo* I put Venom in my previous comment.
Good post ! Proponents of the “recognize and resist” position stubbornly cling to the idea that true Popes can teach heresies and remain Popes because they reject the only real solution to the current problems, namely that there has been no Pope since the death of Pius XII.
ReplyDeleteCan't really add anything to this. Thanks for this to-the-point answer to the by now age-old question.
ReplyDeleteOrigen's statement is interesting. Don't think I've come across it before. Indeed, if one becomes separated from the other, the pope and the church, it means one is not the pope or the other is not the church. The former cannot become a heretic although everybody else can. The latter cannot be replaced with an impostor (logistics, etc) but the former can.
Given the dispute over this it should be tabled at the next Council for definition, if ever we get there.
Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia.
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_(Parliamentary-procedure) . Not that this is something important (it isn't), but your final sentence, cairsahr, is indicative to me, that you are most likely a Brit. The verb "table" has opposite meanings in British and American English! In UK-speak, it means to present something for immediate discussion; whereas in USA-speak, it means to postpone or set aside a discussion of something. A Londoner would say "tabled at", whereas a New York Yankee like Introibo, would say "put on the agenda for".
DavidM
ReplyDeleteWe will send a donation to St Annes.
Have you been a member of that SSPV parish long? How many would be in the parish? We are aware of the two other chapels in the state of MN.
It is could to hear that Father Mrotzka is doing better after his recent heath problems.
God bless
Thank you so much for your generosity! I have been attending since 2018/2019. Not sure total number of parishioners, both Masses on Sundays are full, but we're up to 75 kids in the academy now. We're having to use sheds, crying rooms and the actual chapel as classrooms.
DeleteYes he still tries to say Mass when he can too. It would be really nice for him to see this project completed.
Alexis Bugnolo and the 'Church of Rome' have just elected a new 'pope'. This is the second time Bugnolo has initiated a conclave in the V2S. Details are to be forthcoming, though here is his announcement:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.fromrome.info/2025/11/24/the-apostolic-election-has-been-held/
Introibo, any general comments you may have re his cited justification (Pope Nicholas II's Nomine Domini) would be most welcome.
While the irony of a V2S Conclavist is cause for a good chuckle, I have a fond spot for Mr. Bugnolo - crazy & acebic as he is - and do not posit this for his ridicule.
Hold your horses, everyone!
DeleteBro. Bug hath noted in a comment to his post, that we might have to wait two weeks, to find out who the new pope is. A brand new website for the "Holy See" needs to be set up. In the meantime, recall that just two months ago, on Sept. 22, 2025, Introibo published a post titled "Holy Orders and Sedevacantism" which is in response to Bugnolo. Two comments in the comment section of that blog post, are worth drawing attention to = those of Sept. 25 at 3:14PM, and Oct. 1 at 9:23PM. The latter comment refers to O'Reilly's "Bugnolo Files".
* acerbic. And acidic!
DeleteThere are a few comments dated Oct. 15 to Oct. 17, related to Bro. Bug and "Habemus Papam", found in the Oct. 13, 2025 "Angels and Demons..." post of this blog.
Deletehttps://www.fromrome.info?s=Riggitano
Deletes= search. The noted webpage comprises a listing of numerous Brother Bugnolo webpages devoted to the Riggitano family name. Among them are:
[ 1 ] June 1, 2025 post = "Is Cardinal Riggitano-Prevost a bastard or wanted criminal?" . Bugnolo notes about that: "When someone fakes being the Pope, it is highly likely that he has been faking to be other things too, throughout his life. This is even more likely if his grandfather faked being several different persons during his own life."
[ 2 ] May 20, 2025 post = " 'Mug shot' of Augustinian Friar Riggitano-Prevost" . This is probably the best photo of Bobby Prevost viewable anywhere online.
[ 3 ] June 2, 2025 post = "Highly likely that Cardinal Prevost is Jewish; also possible CIA agent".
Some of the conclusions of the Rome-based Brother Alexis Bugnolo then, are that Cardinal Robert Francis Riggitano-Prevost Martinez, is highly likely an ethnic Jew, and quite possibly a CIA agent too. More than a few of the posts on the fromrome Bro. Bug site, read like supermarket tabloid articles, don't they?
He accuses everyone who doesn't agree with him as either CIA, MI5, Jewish or Skull & Bones. It's kind of his 'thing'.
DeleteYes he also got.much right re covid scam/death shots. So he is also so blind to the V2 popes amd gets sedevacantism all wrong. I think he like many NO fake priests...they just cannot admit they have been fooled their whole lives and extract themselves from evil Novus Disordo addiction....?
DeleteI fear (think) he has too much invested in the fake church to see the obvious. He rails against VII often but just can't join the dots. And now, that he has just made his second 'pope', well...
DeleteUnless, of course, ... he is actually CIA..? (Joking. I think.)
Mario of NOW was tweeting yesterday, that the newly elected pope was probably Cardinal Riggitano. The conclave was rigged, evidently. In the Nov. 12, 2022 blog post cited below, Bugnolo gives his point of view, that the Vatican conclaves from 1958 to 2025, had outcomes that were engineered (= rigged) by the CIA.
Deletehttps://www.fromrome.info/2022/11/12/the-cia-plan-for-the-destruction-of-the-church-june-29-1953-a-d/
Pope Nicholas II "In Nomine Domini" 13 April 1059
Delete* 3 * "Wherefore if [after Vatican II] the perversity of depraved, and iniquitous men, so prevail, that a pure, sincere and free election cannot be held in the City [of Rome], the Cardinal Bishops with the religious Clerics, and the Catholic laity, even though few, obtain the right of power (ius potestatis) to elect the Pontiff of the Apostolic See, where it might be fitting."
As a consequence of this now having happened:
"... [It is now high time for "Trad Catholics" to show their support for Br. A. Bugnolo and] fill St. Peter's Square with people chanting insults about Prevost and urging him to flee... The fake Pope [= CIA (?) Bob of Chicago] will flee. There are [still] a handful of honest priests. [But only a handful?!] They will appoint Mel Gibson as pope with a mission to clean out the church."
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2025/11/25/is-the-new-pope-a-catholic/ = source.
One wonders what Vigano will say about this?
Very well put, Steve! Catholics do generally think that "Gates of Hell" equates to Satan and his minions specifically, rather than to heretics and their utterances. The Church teaches otherwise. Your piece shows that Popes cannot fall into heresy and that heretics cannot be Popes. A Pope ceases being the Vicar of Christ when he resigns from the Papal office, as has happened on several occasions in the Church's history. We need never agonise about when Roncalli and his successors ceased being Roman Pontiffs - they never were.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't a billion other so called Catholics see as we do? So unfortunate.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous @ 6:17 PM:
DeleteSaint Paul possibly answers the question for us in 2 Thessalonians, Chapter 2: The mystery of iniquity. Not loving the truth, hence believing in error.
Yes, this is very sad, but is a warning to us: He that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall (1 Corinthians 10:12).
Not sure why conservative pro lifers could not see in 2020 the supposed Vicar of Christ pushing murdered baby vaxxes. So sick. I can't feel sorry anymore for them although I do pray for them. So sad. Oh Francis...an act of love, such BS!
ReplyDeleteSteve's article contradicts (correctly, IMHO) the Thesis that essentially claims Robert Prevost ("material pope") is currently of the Gates of Hell, but upon his conversion (should that ever happen), he will become the Gates of the Church as the "formal pope", Leo XIV. In the French-language version of "Sodalitium", No. 75, October 2025, published by the Thesis-supporting Istituto Mater Boni Consilii of Italy, we read this gem (?): "La thèse n'est pas une vérité de Foi, elle est simpliment vraie" (The thesis is not a truth of Faith, it is simply true). What an astonishing claim! A theological theory - and a shoddy one at that - is elevated to a status that must be accepted unquestioningly as a matter of fact. Words fail me!
ReplyDeleteGreat comment Leo. I will be blunt.The thesis is B.S.I have many pre Vatican two books on the Papacy and no where in any of these is talk of such a position.I like your ending-words fail me.
DeleteI don't think Bishop Sanborn and company understands the Great Apostasy and the AntiChrist system.
When I started to ask very serious questions to the priests when I was attending the SSPX, they all said you don't know what you are talking about and no we are not in the Great Apostasy.They said I am not to attend their Masses anymore and to go away.I left speechless.
Absolutely!!! Total BS!
DeleteWow, are these SSPX priests blind?! If this is not the Great Apostasy, then what is going to be left in this world with regards to Catholicism to apostatize from in, say, a decade? I guess it's time to call the SSPX for what they really are: smells-and-bells loving non-Catholics. Enough is enough.
Delete@anon11:33am
DeleteYou are correct, if this is not the Great Apostasy, then what is? It is true that many conservative Novus Ordo’s and R & R’s just want the “smells and bells.” As long as they can have their “Latin Mass”, they don’t care about anything else. One cannot be saved outside of the True Faith and the True Faith trumps the Mass. You can be saved without the Mass, but you cannot be saved without the Faith. If the “Mass” they attend is celebrated by a man not validly ordained and the sacrament is not confecting, then it doesn’t matter what that church looks like, it is a façade because it is a layman “playing Mass” with bread and wine.
I too wonder what the world will look like in the next decade. There are many things in science fiction that will always remain science fiction; however, there are things that were discussed in movies and books decades ago that have now become reality or are very close to becoming reality. Artificial Intelligence, robots, and many other things are occurring now that just a few decades ago seemed impossible. I am reminded of the movie “The Terminator” where what seemed impossible in 1984 had no problem occurring in the year 2029. I am not endorsing this movie or saying that what we are seeing in the world now is an exact replication of what occurred in the film, only that there were MANY books, TV shows, and movies of the past that spoke about the future and how dark and ominous a POTENTIAL future could be, and now there are many things that are becoming a reality that at one time (not long ago) was seen as the stuff of purely fiction. The world in which we live has pulled farther and farther away from God and all things holy. How long and how bad this will become is a huge question mark that only God knows.
We must pray much.
-TradWarrior
Anonymous @ 11:33 AM:
DeleteI could not agree more: if this is not the Great Apostasy, what else could possibly fit the bill?
"SSPX...smells-and-bells loving non-Catholics." To which I would add: controlled opposition. If not, they have all the appearances of being so.
Anonymous @ 11:33 AM:
DeleteI could not agree more: if this is not the Great Apostasy, what else could possibly fit the bill?
"SSPX...smells-and-bells loving non-Catholics." To which I would add: controlled opposition. If not, they have all the appearances of being so.
Yes they are controlled opposition as many say...all the sspx think they doing right thing, need their sacraments etc. Who cares about offending Almighty God as long as we have posers in cassocks!
DeleteThat is the part bugnolo gets right. He says is blog is defunct now that he is helping his new pope! What a joke!
Anon, 24 November 8.32PM
ReplyDeleteWe get the impression that they raise the Thesis to a Dogma which again words fail us.
We have friends who attend RCI Masses who go only for the Holy Mass and Sacraments.They were attending Masses of a Secular Priest years ago who was ordained by bishop Pivarunas who caused grave scandal at their mission and were really shaken.They said others left sadly for the SSPX,several gave the practise of the Faith away.They said to the RCI credit, the priests are otherwise well trained and don't accept double standards of their clerics.More maybe later
I wonder if anyone else here has had problems with SSPX priests on the question of sedevacantism.
ReplyDeleteThe sspx is essentially novus ordo, don't we all get that? They told a NO priest I was trying to help escape that his ordination was just fine. Those sspx priests attended his messes too. People just don't want the Truth. I want it despite all the losses, lack of friends etc. Only Jesus matters to me, not these people who refuse the truth over and over and over again.
DeleteAnonymous @ 11:28 AM:
DeleteOh yes, with many of them for more years than I can remember!
Anon @ 3:52
DeleteI agree with your statement. The SSPX is a man centered phony “Catholic” society who are Novus Ordites in cassocks. They are Lefebvreists who think The Latin Mass and externals are what matters. Their arguments against Sedevacantism are bogus and theologically unsound. The SSPX is a joke. And you are right. I’m tired of people saying “we just didn’t know”, “our hearts are in the right place”, “we can’t be held responsible for going along with the horrors of V2”. Well, your purpose in this life is to know the Truth. No matter the cost or sacrifices. Knowing the truth and following Jesus Christ Our Lord, comes before money, jobs, friends, family, and can even mean death. If people are having a hard time figuring out that the V2 sect is abominable, despite the mountain of evidence right in front of them, they will find out that they were not of The Truth, and not of the elect on Judgement day. We are tired of hearing these excuses from people.
There is another news story, mostly buried, about a demented savage who was arrested over 70 times, who lit a young woman on fire on a train in Chicago. Read the story, and the pattern becomes even more familiar once you see who the perp is and who the victim is in this horrific crime. But we hear excuses from the disordered people defending this barbaric criminal. “He’s not well”, “he wasn’t in his right mind”, “he doesn’t know right from wrong”. Even though he stalked the victim and fled the scene knowing what he did was wrong, even admitted his guilt and bragged about it to police. There was a time in this country and in the West, where animals like this would have been legally tried in one day, sentenced to public hanging by the judge, and the execution would have been carried out within a day by the legal authorities. This way there was closure, Justice, and order. We need to start getting back to this and stop with this constant excuse making and weakness.
@anon7:34pm,
DeleteYou said it perfectly. Your post is right on the money!
God bless you,
-TradWarrior
7:34pm...yes!
DeleteSadly all the savagery stems from the novus ordo abomination of desolation, but no one cares much. This detective, now Sergeant in NYC gave a great talk about the destruction of society from novus ordo. He was in sspx. I hope he escaped.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=S_wCeknfEsE&si=zBzBtf6APLyxxlco
The New Mass and its Devastating Effects on Society
2009
Nice article, Steve. The question of a council of “cardinals” or “bishops” decreeing that a pope is a heretic is one that makes no sense. A heretical pope (truly an oxymoron) would depose himself if he were to promulgate heresy, for The Holy Ghost protects this most holy chair that Christ instituted from the Gates of Hell. To think that these V2 “popes” can issue all these heresies and still be in the chair is insanity!
ReplyDeleteHow would such a council work and who would determine that a man was truly “deposed”? Would it be all of the “cardinals” and “bishops” (of the V2 sect)? What about two-thirds of them or only half of them? Would that be enough? Would Michael Matt, Peter Kwasniewski, Bp. Fellay, Eric Sammons, Christopher Ferrara, Taylor Marshall, Timothy Flanders, etc. accept the deposition if it came from Vigano, Burke, Schneider, Pujats, Peta, Lenga, etc.? What if it came from men like Sarah, Erdo, and Strickland? Would this be sufficient to depose the pope? What if it came from men like Parolin, Tagle, Turkson, Zuppi, and Stowe? Would the R & R’s accept their testimony if this lowest tier of men had a great awakening and realized that Prevost was not the pope and they held a council and declared him deposed and stated that the See of Peter was truly vacant? Since they refuse to accept the one, correct position of Sedevacantism, would they go to such lengths to accept the worst bunch of “cardinals” and “bishops” who came to the conclusion that the see was vacant? Would Michael Matt try and unite the clans around the lowest tier I mentioned if this was the case? Would Peter the Kwack follow suit? What if Group “A” of R & R’s held Prevost was deposed but Group “B” of R & R’s did not because there were not enough of a majority of “cardinals” and “bishops” needed? What would be considered enough of a majority to declare him deposed at a council? Doesn’t this whole thing reduce all of these men to P-R-O-T-E-S-T-A-N-T-S????!!!! What about the one position on the table that declares that the Gates of Hell cannot conquer the Gates of the Church (Sedevacantism) with there being no pope since Pius XII died in 1958? Oh wait, that’s the crazy, ridiculous, schismatic, lunatic position that must not even be considered on the table to begin with! I guess it is back to the drawing board for these men.
It’s like being in a huge corn maze and there is only one way out to safety. If you choose the wrong path, you are killed by an assailant. You warn all of these men not to go down Path “A”, “B”, “C”, or “D” because only “E” will get you out of the corn maze safely. You even show them an aerial map from above (heavens plan) to not go down each incorrect path because an assailant will be lying in wait for you. Michael Matt still chooses “A”, Peter Kwasniewski still chooses “B”, Taylor Marshall still chooses “C”, and Bp. Fellay still chooses “D”. Their paths do not lead to life. Only one path leads to life. There is still time for these men to find that path, but if they refuse to follow God’s grace with a humble heart and see through prayer and research where that correct path is, then they have no excuse in the end and no one to blame but themselves. At that point, it will be Game Over!
-TradWarrior
Dear TradWarrior,
DeleteExcellent comment, even if it left my head spinning! :-) In the discussions at the Vatican Council of 1870, it was pointed out that, up to that time, THERE HAD NEVER BEEN A CASE OF ANY POPE WHATSOEVER HAVING FALLEN INTO HERESY. To which I add: and it will never happen that the Gates of the Church become the Gates of Hell. Of course a legitimate Pope can never be judged by anyone, councils included, because the First See is only accountable to God.
Oh my...the novus ordites don't even listen to those false prophets. They just listen to their fake priests who are so holy according to them. I am the one who has abandoned the Church. Forget about those holy priests who got the.murdered baby shots and are now dead or maimed. Nothing going on here...everything is a joke and I am the one who has no humor they say. Ha
ReplyDeleteI also see sedes exploring the evil church too...many say Vatican evil far before V2 and V1.
I did not see Steve's interview with Kevin Davis scheduled for yesterday November 25, 2025 as posted on this website. Was it postponed or do you have any information about that?
ReplyDelete@anon7:16
DeleteMonday night I updated the top of this post to inform everyone that due to Mr. Davis being sick, the show would be moved to Tuesday, December 2, 2025 at 9pm NYC time.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Here is a Sanborn short just put out, making less sense re how NO pope become real pope. This is a huge issue and people who find their way to sede go back to NO probably bc of these type of statements. This is why a priest I know calls him snake oil salesman...so many are selling false ideology etc.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous November 26, 2025 at 3:56 PM I'm no defender of the Thesis of Cassiciacum, but in theory, if Leo did what Sanborn says, he could assume the papacy. We see this type of thing happen in the past with popes like Vigilius. He started off as an antipope but assumed office by being recognized by the clergy. The Cassiciacum thesis really has nothing to do with it. You'll find other popes who assumed office irregularly.
DeletePlease see the Wiki article "Apples and oranges".
Delete@ 7:33's novel "Thesis" = bunko = ignores FAITH.
To debunk @ 7:33, is a relatively easy slam dunk.
Anonymous @ 7:33 PM:
DeleteOne cannot compare Robert Prevost (Nope Leo 14) with Pope Vigilius. The latter became a legitimate Vicar of Christ and was never "the Gates of Hell". Bob, on the other hand, was a non-Catholic before becoming the leader of the Novus Bogus outfit and remains heretical. In fact, Bishop Sanborn calls the latest Nope an apostate. There is no way Prevost could ever become a Pope: the Gates of Hell cannot be transformed into the Gates of the Church, regardless of any supposed "universal recognition" by so-called Catholics who are adherents of the Great Apostasy. True Catholics would never accept "Sideshow Bob" as the successor of St. Peter anyhow. If Bishop Sanborn thinks that his apostate, Nope Leo, can somehow be transformed into a Pope, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn waiting to be sold to His Excellency. The Thesis was, and remains, baloney and bunkum.
I am sorry, but I forgot to identify myself as the Anonymous @ 8:12 PM.
DeleteMy apologies; I must be going gaga in my dotage!
- Leo
Oops...forgot to post link to Sanborn short.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtube.com/shorts/qIe3_Y_gh9w?si=2l7-F1nGxepn3Arq
Anonymous November 26, 2025 at 4:26 PM In theory, Sanborn is right but for the wrong reasons. It's not because of his thesis this happens, but rather due to universal recognition of a Catholic as pope.
DeleteTo @ 7:34 and others concerned: Please see the Wiki articles "Ipse dixit" and "Circular reasoning". Sanborn is wrong, but he is not wrong because of what 7:34 says. You (= 7:34) supply zero authorities to support your claim(s). Not one person. Not one webpage. Not even Salza & Siscoe, mistaken as they are, would support your thesis.
Delete@9:45 I supplied Vigilius who was elected as an antipope and assumed office by being universally recognized. It's not a my thesis, but a fact of history. I'm not supporting the cass Thesis, but showing how Sanborn is correct. If you disagree, it would be against facts. Salza and siscoe are the other dimwits.
DeleteWhat are the facts exactly? I commented above only to state that confused people, most are, will use Sanborn short as reason to stay in NO as so many...a billion...are fooled!
DeleteINTROIBO:
DeleteWAS VIGILIUS AN ANTI-POPE WHO CAME GOOD?
PLEASE RESPOND!
@ 3:03 , THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT !!!!!
DeleteWe have a few days to politely talk it all out.
Introibo knows how to "distinguish the case".
But don't others know how to do so, too?
at 2:22 PM I don't think Sanborn is fooling anyone. I stated the facts. Vigilius started off an antipope, was never elected pope, and he assumed office by universal recognition. He ratified the 5th Ecumenical Council. Since we're on Mr. Speray's article, you should check out his book Papal Anomalies, where he goes into these things.
DeleteAnonymous @ 3:03 PM:
DeleteWithout pre-empting Introibo, I shall add my two cents' worth.
The Byzantine general, Belisarius, deposed Pope Silverius (not that he had a right to do so), and appointed Vigilius as Pope in his place. Apparently, Vigilius acquiesced and became an antipope in consequence. When Pope Silverius died, Vigilius was accepted by all the Roman clergy as the legitimate Roman Pontiff. As an antipope, he did not practise or teach heresy, and obviously he was orthodox as Pope. Note that Steve quoted Pope Vigilius in his piece that the tongues of heretics are the Gates of Hell. I hope that helps!
@anon3:03
DeletePope Vigilius was indeed an antipope. He was an enemy of, and helped exile, Pope St. Silverius. Shortly after Pope St. Silverius died in exile, Vigilius became pope by the unanimous acclamation of the Roman clergy, who wanted him as the next pope. His reign began on that date.
Remember, moral goodness is NOT necessary to be pope. Only the sin of heresy prevents a man otherwise qualified from assuming office.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Once again, I failed to identify myself - this time as the author of Anonymous @ 7:40 PM.
DeleteIntroibo summed up the complexity surrounding the reigns of Popes Saint Silverius and Vigilius quite well. The latter ended up being imprisoned in Constantinople and addressed his jailers thus: "Do with me what you wish. This is the just punishment for what I have done...you may keep me in captivity, but the blessed Apostle Peter will never be your captive".
- Leo
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I was sort of following this and it seems somewhat related to Cassiciacum--when it could have been applicable. But if the papacy is 'taken out of the way' as per 2 Thess 2:7 and Apoc. 12:5 then it is no longer applicable.
DeleteMichael Matt on Real Catholic Men, and Feminazi-ism
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This is a Nov. 23, 2025 web article, with a video embedded in it. That video (of the same title as the post 8020 blog article title) can also be seen via "TheRemnantVideo" youtube channel (= of the same Nov. 23 date, with hundreds of youtuber comments). Therein, M. M. goes on a very long, impassioned and entertaining too (!) rant about feminazi-ism, from 19:45 to 35:30 of this 57:52 in length video. He even mentions the (taboo?) word "feminazi" at 32:08 ! (A little background about that, might be helpful. The Matt family came to Minnesota from Germany. The family newspaper was known as "Der Wanderer". Mike's father, Walter, the founder of 'The Remnant' in 1967, actually fought against the original Nazis in the early 1940s.) In the video segment noted, we can hear, inter alia, about how Lila Rose is supposedly a feminazi = "a femi(nist) NAg who has no business [= biZIness] telling men anything about pornography." - Nothing will be noted here about M.M.'s obviously decades-long-in-duration erroneous ideas in regard to sedevacantism, except to point out a recent (= Nov. 19) Mario D. blog post critiquing him =
https://novusordowatch.org/2025/11/michael-matt-christ-head-of-church-not-pope/
Makes me think of the wandering jew plant.
ReplyDeleteHello Leo
ReplyDeleteGreat comments about the SSPX. I had many problems with them over the years before leaving to sede chapel.
They never have any correct answers when asked questions. How anyone could read the garbage of bishop Fellay is beyond words.
One of the things that made me sick was at Benediction when the priest would sing a prayer to their "pope" containing the words- may the Lord preserve him and give him a long life and not give up on the will of his enemies.What blasphemy
We found a number who attend the SSPX are there for the Mass.Ask them basic questions on the Faith and most will not have clue what you are talking about.Sad to say this but it is true.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.padreperegrino.org/2025/11/jeanstoo/
ReplyDeleteThe following "fair use" excerpt is from: "The Ends Don't Justify the Jeans", published by Father David Nix on Nov. 20, 2025, and said to be a "Guest post by Dr. Ed Mazza PhD, edmundmazza.com". Ed is a frequent podcast partner of Ann Barnhardt, and Ann frequently promotes Ed's educational products on her blog. (My own edits using brackets = [ ] .)
" ... Nudity only became shameful after the incident with the serpent [in Eden]. The naked body now is no longer the portal to being viewed a co-equal person in dignity, it is the precursor to being treated like a useful "object". For example, in a recent study by Princeton University psychologist Susan Fiske, men who were shown pictures of bikini-clad women simultaneously demonstrated brain scans wherein the region of their brains associated with "tool use" lit up. [And doesn't "tool use" relate to "porn objectification"?] Some of them, in fact, showed no brain activity in the region that normally recognizes fellow "human persons with thoughts and intentions". Surely it was for reasons such as these that Jesus himself declared: "I say to you that whosoever looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart..." (Matt. 5:28) ...
[In the 1960s came] the Sexual Revolution and the "Spirit" of Vatican II. Leaders of fashion and entertainment now pushed the envelope of women's wear beyond all bounds, but worse still, virtually all the Western bishops and clergy kept complicitly silent. Let no one persuade you different: the two "missiles" that did more to obliterate the faith of believing Catholics in the '70s [were not H-Bomb tipped ICBMs, but] were the "Novus Ordo Missae" and women wearing designer jeans (the two often enough combined [synergistically] for an even greater toxic [= SINergistic] effect). As Calvin Klein himself once confirmed: "Jeans are sex. The tighter they are, the better they sell." "
This is 6:15 (above) again. To add a bit more to that comment, let's start with the CK quote at the end, which can be viewed as having a triple meaning in it = more $$ for CK; prostitutes selling their bodies; and the proverbial (but all too real) "selling your soul to the devil" in exchange for one or more worldly benefits / advantages.
DeleteSince the word "bikini" is noted by Dr. Ed above, it could be noted that Louis Reard, who was the one who first used (= coined) that word as a swimsuit word, in reference to the US nuclear testing atoll, is reported to have said that "like the [atom] bomb, the bikini is small and devastating."
Introibo's "Staying Pure" blog post was published rather recently, on Nov. 10. I made two lengthy comments to that, back-to-back, on Nov. 15 at 12:39AM and 2:30AM. That first comment gave some statistical info about porn, including the fact that among USA males aged 18-35, 87% watch online porn every single week = at least once weekly! That number for women was 28.5%. Only Introibo responded to that comment. I suppose everyone else was too shocked by such numbers to say anything about them?! As for my second comment of 2:30AM, it was about "skin-tight blue jeans". That comment, rather similar to what you read in 6:15 above, did succeed in generating a little bit of a reaction among Introibo's female readers. Not much, but some.
I agree with the above comments about the SSPX. They are going down the wrong road. It is indeed sad. I don't understand Bishop Fellay and his errors.
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