You're all ridiculous. Old Catholicism is the only thing that actually makes sense. Pius IX was a Freemason, on the books as such in their ledgers, and could not be Pope. The robber council of Vatican I forced things in such a way that Pastor Aeternus could never be denied by the gathering of bishops. Pius IX is even recorded as saying that if the Council didn't agree to the "dogma" that he would "clarify" it himself as he did the Immaculate Conception!
The first rupture was Vatican I. Holding the council in a place where the older, more infirm bishops could not stay or participate for the entire length of the event was a calculated move to make sure only Ultramontanists could get in, then they with their Masonic collaborators could create the chimeric abomination that is the Vatican II pseudo-church we see today.
Taking the statements and actions of the Pian Popes in-line, it's obvious to see that they were all for the reform, and establishing an ever firmer Papal power structure that nobody could resist and still call themselves Catholic. Pius X taught very clearly that if you are not in complete agreement with the rites and teachings of the Pope, you are no longer Catholic.
Pius XII, in Mediator Dei, Paragraph 58:
"It follows from this that the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification. Bishops, for their part, have the right and duty carefully to watch over the exact observance of the prescriptions of the sacred canons respecting divine worship. Private individuals, therefore, even though they be clerics, may not be left to decide for themselves in these holy and venerable matters, which involve the religious life of Christian society, the exercise of the priesthood of Jesus Christ and worship of God; nor may they be allowed to set up customs that may lead to the introduction of theological errors, or a tendency to a separate sect, or any other deviation highly harmful to the faith."
Pope Leo XIII says as much, in his Sapientiae Christianae:
"In settling how far the limits of obedience extend, let no one imagine that the belief that the teachings of the Roman Pontiff and the Bishops must be obeyed only in those matters which the Church has decreed by solemn definition...
"For, in the making of a Christian, after the necessity of believing, there comes next the obligation of being in complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself.
"...Union of minds, therefore, requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself. This obedience should, however, be perfect... and must be such as no one can even call in question."
As does Pius XII, in Humani Generis:
"Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: 'He who heareth you, heareth me'; and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine.
"But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the same Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question free for discussion among theologians."
Since the "Popes" defined these matters as to leave zero room for calling them heretics, and those who proclaim their Catholicism in light of Vatican I agree to all the above at least tacitly — if not explicitly, as shown in your article — all Sedevacantists are Protestants by their own judgment.
Therefore, Old Catholicism "makes sense" and sedevacantists are "Protestants."
In this post, I will refute the contentions as expressed by the commenter. (N.B. The material herein was taken from many sources, both online and in print. I take no credit for the information. All I did was condense it into a terse and readable post. I also wish to credit Mr. Mario Derksen of the amazing Traditionalist website Novus Ordo Watch for having done top-notch research on the topic of Pope Pius IX and his alleged Masonic membership. I was able to find and use some of the excellent works he cited.---Introibo).
Was Pope Pius IX a Freemason?
In a word: NO! This calumny has been around way before certain people decided to revive the evil accusations against a good and holy pope. I will examine three aspects: (a) the cause of the accusation; (b) who started the accusations; (c) the demonstrated falsity of the accusations.
(a) Why was Pope Pius IX accused of Freemasonry?
Pope Pius IX was frequently called a "liberal," and the following incident earned him that appellation by some, as cited in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia:
In 1831 when 4000 Italian revolutionists fled before the Austrian army and threatened to throw themselves upon Spoleto, the archbishop [Mastai-Ferretti] persuaded them to lay down their arms and disband, induced the Austrian commander to pardon them for their treason, and gave them sufficient money to reach their homes…. His great charity and amiability had made him beloved by the people, while his friendship with some of the revolutionists had gained for him the name of liberal. (See entry "Pope Pius IX").
According to journalist and historian Yves Chiron:
[There were] three different currents of thought. 1) The ‘Austrian’ party, which favored the extension of Austrian rule over all the Legations. 2) The ‘papal’ or ‘sanfedist’ party (which defended the pope and the ‘holy faith’), which not only sought to preserve the pope’s temporal authority in these territories, but also favored the domination of the clergy in social and political areas. 3) The ‘liberal’ party, which wanted to see the end of the pope’s temporal power or, at least, wide reforms in all areas. At that time the term ‘liberal’ included a great diversity of political doctrines and programs…. Msgr. Mastai did not support any of these three parties, in spite of what has been said by some of his contemporaries who, when he was elected to the Sovereign Pontificate, presented him as a "liberal." Some months after he arrived in Imola, in a letter to his friend and neighbor Cardinal Falconieri, Archbishop of Ravenna, he gave a very description of his ‘golden mean’ approach: ‘I detest and abominate, in the very marrow of my bones, the liberals’ ideas and actions; but I have no sympathy, either, for the fanaticism of the so-called ‘papalist’ party. The golden mean, the Christian golden mean — and not the diabolical golden mean which is fashionable today — is the path I would like to follow, with the Lord’s help. But shall I succeed in this?’ [Letter of June 3, 1833]” (See Pope Pius IX: The Man and the Myth, [2005], pgs. 558-59; Emphasis mine).
The accusation is clearly inaccurate and false. "Liberal" did not signify "Freemason." Rather, it was a calumny leveled at him by his enemies.
(b) Freemasons started the accusations:
Pius IX had given an allocution on September 25, 1865, entitled Multiplices Inter Machinationes, in which he severely condemned Masonry and the Masons’ wicked secret scheming. It reads in part:
In this situation, fearing that imprudent men, and especially the youth, allow themselves to be misled, and that Our silence occasion anyone to protect error, We have resolved, Venerable Brethren, to raise Our apostolic voice; and, confirming here, before you, the constitutions of Our predecessors, by Our apostolic authority, We reprove and condemn this Masonic society and the others of the same kind, which, while differing in appearance, gather every day for the same goal, and conspire either openly or clandestinely against the Church and the legitimate authorities; and We order under the same penalties as those specified in the preceding constitutions of Our predecessors all Christians of every condition, every rank, every dignity, and every country, to regard these same societies as proscribed and condemned by Us. Now there only remains for Us, in order to satisfy the desires and solicitude of Our paternal heart, to warn and exhort the faithful who would associate themselves with sects of this kind of the necessity to obey wiser inspirations and to abandon these baneful secret meetings, so that they not be led into the abyss of eternal ruin.
The Freemasons were enraged:
In the months that followed this public condemnation of Freemasonry, several Masonic publications in France and Italy, intent on revenge, propagated the story that Pius IX himself, in his youth, had been a Freemason. Apparently it was the Lodge of Palermo that first put out the accusation… In France, the journal Le Monde Maçonnique immediately went into print with this information (See Chiron, Ibid, pgs. 217-218).
(c) Falsity of the Masonic claims against His Holiness Pope Pius IX:
From the book A Study in American Freemasonry, edited by Arthur Preuss, [1908], pgs. 267-272, it describes in detail how the enemies of the pope began the calumny against him:
“It started in Germany,” says John Gilmary Shea, in his Life of Pope Pius IX, pp. 291, 292, “and they thought that by putting the scene in America, they would escape detection. They declared positively that Pius IX had been received into a Masonic lodge in Philadelphia, cited his discourses, and declared that a number of his autographs were preserved in the lodge. Unfortunately for the story, Philadelphia is in the civilized world. People there could read and write. They examined and found that there was no Masonic lodge in that city by the name given; they found that no lodge in Philadelphia had ever received John Mary Mastai [Pius IX’s baptismal name]; they could find no trace of his ever having been there, as he never was; no lodge had any of his autograph letters; Masons themselves attested that the whole was a pure invention. The slander thus refuted has been revived from time to time, but in later versions, care is taken not to specify the lodge or city too distinctly.”
Did the 1870 Vatican Council Teach Heresy?
Once more, the answer is a resounding NO! The "Ultramontanists" (i.e., those who believed in the supremacy of the pope on matters of faith, morals, and governance. The term originates from "beyond the mountains" [referring to the Alps], as Rome was viewed from northern Europe) were just Catholics while the Gallicans (who denigrated papal authority) were heretics.
The idea that the definition of papal supremacy and infallibility were "invented," or not the dogmatic view of the Church, is simply wrong. It was taught from the beginning of the Church. The commenter is a Vacancy Pusher, claiming that all popes since at least Pope Pius IX were false popes. So what of these pontiffs below?
1302 Pope Boniface VIII: Unam Sanctam (ex cathedra):
Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
If submission to the pope is necessary for salvation, then the pope must be the standard of faith whereby we can be safely guided to Heaven. If he could teach heresy, there's no difference between a sect (e.g., Lutherans) that lead people to Hell, and the Catholic Church with a "heretical pope."
There are numerous actions taken by the popes far prior to the 1800s that show the development of the doctrine:
- Therefore, we ask first: if you believed, do you believe, or are you prepared to believe with the Armenian Church that obeys you, that blessed Peter received the most complete power of jurisdiction over all faithful Christians from the Lord Jesus Christ, and that all the power of jurisdiction that Jude Thaddeus and the other Apostles had in certain lands and provinces and different parts of the world in a special and particular way was subject to the most complete authority and power that blessed Peter received from the Lord Jesus Christ himself over all believers in Christ in all parts of the world, and that no apostle or anyone else received the most complete power over all Christians except Peter alone? (Pope Clement VI, Super quibusdam, 1351)
- Secondly : if you have believed, have held, or are you prepared to believe and hold, with the Armenians subject to you, that all the Roman Pontiffs who have canonically entered and will canonically enter succeeding Blessed Peter, have succeeded and will succeed Blessed Peter the Roman Pontiff in the same fullness of jurisdiction and power that Blessed Peter himself received from the Lord Jesus Christ over the whole and entire body of the Church Militant? (Ibid)
- Third: if you and the Armenians subject to you believed and still believe that the Roman Pontiffs who were and We who are the Roman Pontiff and those who will be successively in the future, as legitimate and most powerful Vicars of Christ, received all the potentative jurisdiction that Christ as the conformed Head had in human life, immediately from Christ Himself over the whole and entire Body of the Church Militant? (Ibid)
- That blessed Peter the Apostle had no more authority than the other Apostles had nor was he the head of the other apostles. Likewise that God did not send forth any head of the Church, nor did He make anyone His vicar. (Pope John XXII condemning the errors of Marsilius of Padua, 1327)
- We likewise define that the holy Apostolic See, and the Roman Pontiff, hold the primacy throughout the entire world; and that the Roman Pontiff himself is the successor of blessed Peter, the chief of the Apostles, and the true vicar of Christ, and that he is the head of the entire Church, and the father and teacher of all Christians; and that full power was given to him in blessed Peter by our Lord Jesus Christ, to feed, rule, and govern the universal Church; just as is contained in the acts of the ecumenical Councils and in the sacred canons. (Council of Florence, 1439)
Yes, human reason, to speak after the manner of theologians, has a theological place in matters of religion. Faith dominates reason, which ought to be subordinated to faith in everything. But it is altogether false to pretend that reason can do nothing, that it has no function at all in matters of faith; it is false to pretend that the inferior light, illumined by God in the human understanding, cannot shine at all because it does not shine as powerfully or as clearly as the superior light. Yes, the faithful are permitted and even commanded to give a reason for their faith, to draw out its consequences, to make applications of it, to deduce parallels and analogies from it. It is thus by use of their reason that the faithful are enabled to suspect and measure the orthodoxy of any new doctrine presented to them, by comparing it with a doctrine already defined. If it be not in accord, they can combat it as bad, and justly stigmatize as bad the book or journal which sustains it. They cannot of course define it ex cathedra, but they can lawfully hold it as perverse and declare it such, warn others against it, raise the cry of alarm and strike the first blow against it. The faithful layman can do all this, and has done it at all times with the applause of the Church. Nor in so doing does he make himself the pastor of the flock, nor even its humblest attendant; he simply serves it as a watchdog who gives the alarm. Opportet allatrare canes "It behooves watchdogs to bark," very opportunely said a great Spanish Bishop in reference to such occasions. (Emphasis mine).
- Ordain women as "priests" and consecrate them as "bishops"
- Accept sodomites as "normal" and not being sinful
- Have optional celibacy
- All but eliminated Confession
- Are ecumenists

Don’t give Prof K any new ideas. He is already on the fence about the first and only Vatican Council.
ReplyDeleteTom,
DeleteGood to see you commenting again, my friend! Is "Professor K" the "Kwas"? Is he really considering the Vatican Council of 1870 to be false?
God Bless,
---Introibo
Pope Pius IX was “beatified” by Wojtyla at the same time as Roncalli. Isn't it ironic that the Pope who condemned religious freedom was “honored” at the same time as the usurper who claimed it was a right ? Pius IX will certainly be beatified and canonized one day by a true Pope, but Roncalli is neither Pope nor saint.
ReplyDeleteSimon,
DeleteWojtyla did that to show "continuity" pre and post V2. Worse, the false pope got "sainthood" but the true pope only was "beatified"!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Two related items to this post:
ReplyDelete1. The Old Catholics apparently also have a traditionalist wing, known as the "Old Roman Catholics" who retain all of the rites, practices, and disciplines prior to Vatican 2, but originate from the Dutch Jansenists that gave us the original Old Catholics. They claim valid episcopal lineage, and don't really deny or reject much of anything. I couldn't even find an explicit claim of rejection of the Primacy and are anti-sedevacantist in very strong terms. A very odd group.
2. The newest delusion from the Eastern Schismatics comes courtesy of the Peter Dimond of the Orthodox, Jay Dyer, who has recently gone down a Fabian Socialist rabbit hole. Not that the Fabians were in any sense good people, but the Orthodox don't need any any more fuel for their anti-Rome fever dreams. Apparently, the Vatican was "captured" in the early 19th century when the Holy See took out a loan from the Rothchild Bank. The significance of this act, done likely to help defend against the Carbonari and Freemasons who were agitating all throughout the Italian peninsula, is unclear. But this is all at the time of Pius IX ascendancy to the Throne of Peter and really it's all been downhill from there in the Modern age.
1. The "trad wing" of the veterocaths is not dissimilar to "high church" Anglicans, "old believers" among the photians, the "Bible only" conservative prots. They may hold onto more shards of the truth, but the drops of poison they inevitably imbibe due to their rejection of papal primacy eventually create the slip down ever larger heresies from members of their sects - from which at best they can stand apart, but still commune with, and inevitably cause. The trad veteros in particular are a sort of western photians, holding onto a primus inter pares sort of deal. Funny enough, lefebvrism isn't that different from them, they have a putative Pope they freely disobey. Granted, without a conclave, sedes may end up similarly, only potentially having a visible Head.
Delete2. Dyer is a Russian Duginist op. His photian sect has not been wiped off the map thanks not only thru usurers (who were strong during Soviet and post-Soviet times, and even in Tsarist times they had varying degrees of influence), but also thanks to prots (English helping Greece, US helping USSR), and mohamedans (ottoman sultan and golden horde). And lest we forget, unlike Catholics who admit that the clerics and the temporal rulers can err in secular political matters (such as attempting to buy time thru emergency loans from usurers or participating in freemasonic dumbocracy to try to end it, both of which were completely out of need as the Church post 1789 was running out of options in ak increasingly pagan world, and did not compromise doctrine this way), photians believe that both their clerics are always right in politics no matter how contradictory and split up into national sects, and that their national rulers are always defenders of the faith no matter how wrong - which is how you get calvinist or otherwise ecumenist ecumenical patriarchs alongside nationalist eparchs that both commune and excommunicate because mere political reasons, and icons/sympathy for both Nicholas II and Stalin, for Codreanu and for Tito. Dyer has said philosophy is mostly useless, so of course he cannot grasp this.
Furthermore, his fabianism/nazbolism is just yet another flawed secular attempt to have a Social Kingship of Christ, without Christ and His Catholic Church. No wonder that at best he does funny yet ultimately shallow content with "based" comedians and platforms the groypers, who pretend to be white ethnonationalists and Catholics while being multiracial and novusordo-ecumenist in composition. Nevermind that Catholic concepts of annuities and/or compensatory payments could replace interest usury quite easily, but the gibs usury that fabianists/nazbols want is pretty much the road to communism (and usurious because, usury means money for nothing, whether that means thru interest or thru gibs).
Delete(PS. Reminder that not all interest is usurious and money can justly accumulate value as savings, insofar as such interest is not excessive nor non-compensatory nor unjust [just like not all gibs are usurious but can be rightfully called charity, btw], which happened in the flourishing Catholic middle ages of mutual funds and annuities; unlike most interest nowadays, which has inflated currencies commodities resources and products to oblivion to get everyone to consoom and owe more, and thus establish vast anti-Catholic cosmopolitan elites above many unfairly treated peoples; peoples who are bamboozled with fake material plenty at best in exchange for their souls, and at worst they only get leftovers while ever more bodily and spiritually exploited, to the point of whole peoples being sterilized into nihilist bugmen worse off than what any anti-Catholic fake propaganda says about medieval peasants).
DeleteAnon: Yes, most excellent. I like that nickname, "Veterocaths."
DeleteI don't want to make Introibo's article about the fringes of the Orthodox mind, but I like and agree with all you've noted above. They know not subtlety or nuance. History for them is a cruel and stark place. There is never any context.
Fun fact: per +Fr. Fortescue, the Great Synod of Moscow, which operates in the stead of some kind of "patriarch" is wholly Lutheran in construction, because of a stream of Protestant infiltration into Russia around the time of its assembly.
Gjergj Kastrioti,
DeleteThank you for commenting! It started a very interesting thread!
God Bless,
---Introibo
A great writing as always Introibo. Learning many new things.
ReplyDeleteCorrect Gjrergj I have much material on this group of Old Catholics called Old Roman Catholics. Yes , they claim to have valid orders and use the Traditional Latin Mass . One group is here in the UK with their leader "Bishop" Jerome Lloyd who calls himself the titular Archbishop of Selsey. There is a group over in the USA in Florida whose bishop is "Archbishop" John Humphreys of the See of Caer Glow.
God bless
@anon12:18
DeleteThank you, my friend! Interesting about "Old Roman Catholics"---I thought it was an appellation for old guys like me!
God Bless,
---Introibo
I had no idea Old Catholics were that wacky so thanks for informing Introibo. I am always frustrated by novus ordites who refuse the facts and think all is an opinion. No wonder, as the madhouse NO church spoonfeeds them all poison. Most I know lined up for those insane covid shots and over 400 are dead and all still comatose. I am still on some NO prayer lines and many of them are so shocked by all the illnesses, turbo cancers in just their families etc and still cannot connect any dots. The NO truly makes one stupid but even worse, one risks damnation by being in a false religion. There must be strength in numbers they conclude.
ReplyDeleteWas Hell created in the beginning or when angels fell?
@anon12:48
DeleteThe majority of theologians teach Hell was created after the fall of the rebellious angels and not before.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Dear Introibo and other readers
ReplyDeleteI found your website last week and enjoy the vast amount of info. I have only come back to the practice of the True Faith the last few months. I converted from the Methodist sect to the Faith with the SSPX. After a few months I started to see there were major problems with the said group. I discovered a sedevacantist mission and started to attend there. Within time I was treated very poorly by the priest and his double standards(i.e morals , money , etc) I left and basically gave the whole thing away. I was very shaken, hurt and sad. The priest said I was a troublemaker (to cover his double standards)Some years later I started to attend a so called conservative Novus Ordo parish. In the beginning things were okay as I was only going on weekdays. After attending on a S
Sunday for some months and joining several groups, it all started to come apart and deep down I knew I had to get out. I was starting to question things at the groups meetings and they basically told me to keep my mouth shut. They said you are so full of pride. Who do you think you are trying to be. From what I have read here and elsewhere you have to be very discerning where to attend Mass and which priests to trust. From by experience the last few years I now know that the sedevacantist position is the only true way. I would ask you all to please pray for me.
A.M
A.M.
DeleteWhat a great tale of heroic perseverance to find the truth on your part! How equally shameful for those Traditionalist clerics who treated you poorly. They will have mush for which to make an accounting before God in Judgement. Be assured of my prayers, and I ask all my readers to pray for you as well!
God Bless you, my friend in Christ,
---Introibo
The original commenter remarking that "Old Catholicism" makes sense appears to be ignorant of his sect's ecumenical outreach to the religion he simultaneously deplores as "the Vatican II pseudo-church": https://www.utrechter-union.org/en/2025/05/old-catholic-delegation-present-at-the-inauguration-of-pope-leo-xiv/
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