Monday, December 5, 2022

Contending For The Faith---Part 10

 

In St. Jude 1:3, we read, "Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." [Emphasis mine]. Contending For The Faith is a series of posts dedicated to apologetics (i.e.,  the intellectual defense of the truth of the Traditional Catholic Faith) to be published the first Monday of each month.  This is the next installment.

Sadly, in this time of Great Apostasy, the faith is under attack like never before, and many Traditionalists don't know their faith well enough to defend it. Remember the words of our first pope, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1Peter 3:16). There are five (5) categories of attacks that will be dealt with in these posts. Attacks against:
  • The existence and attributes of God
  • The truth of the One True Church established by Christ for the salvation of all 
  • The truth of a particular dogma or doctrine of the Church
  • The truth of Catholic moral teaching
  • The truth of the sedevacantist position as the only Catholic solution to what has happened since Vatican II 
In addition, controversial topics touching on the Faith will sometimes be featured, so that the problem and possible solutions may be better understood. If anyone had suggestions for topics that would fall into any of these categories, you may post them in the comments. I cannot guarantee a post on each one, but each will be carefully considered.

The Moral Argument for the Existence of God

In this month's post, I will be writing about one of the proofs for the existence of God; the Moral Argument. Psalm 14:1 tells us, "The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” The fool's mind doesn't say such, for as the Vatican Council of 1870 teaches,  "Canon 1.  If anyone saith that the One, True God, our Creator and Lord, cannot be known with certainty from the things that have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema." It is, therefore, a dogma of the Faith that God's existence can be known by human reason alone. Romans 1:20 says, "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." 

The Moral Argument comes in many forms. It has been championed by such illustrious philosophers as St. Thomas Aquinas, Robert Adams, William Alston, Mark Linville, William Lane Craig, Paul Copan, John Hare, Stephen Evans, and others. This post comes from the work of the aforementioned philosophers, and I take credit for none of it. I give full credit to those philosophical giants, whose intellects far exceed mine. All I did was take their expressions of the argument, and compress them into the main ideas that can fit in a post.---Introibo

A Simple Formulation

1. If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist. 

2. Objective moral values and duties do exist. 

3. Therefore, God exists. 

This simple little argument is easy to memorize and is logically ironclad. Together, the first two premises imply the conclusion: the existence of God. What makes this argument so powerful is that people generally believe both premises. In a "WOKE" age, people are scared to death of "imposing their values" on someone else, so premise 1 seems correct to them. At the same time, however, certain values have been deeply instilled into them, such as tolerance, open-mindedness, and love. They think it is objectively wrong to impose your values on someone else! So they’re deeply committed to premise 2 as well.  I will examine more closely each of the argument’s two premises in order to see what defense might be offered on their behalf and what objections might be raised against them.

Premise 1: If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist.

First, the distinction between values and duties. Values have to do with whether something is good or bad. Duties have to do with whether something is right or wrong. Now at first sight this might seem to be a distinction without a difference: “good” and “right” mean the same thing, and the same goes for “bad” and “wrong.” But if we think about it, we can see that this isn’t the case.

Duty has to do with moral obligation, what you ought or ought not to do. However,  you’re obviously not morally obligated to do something, just because it would be good to do it. For example, it would be good if someone became a doctor and saved lives, but you are not obligated to thereby become a doctor. It would also be good to become a teacher, or a CPA, or a police officer, but you can't possibly do them all. So there's a difference between good/bad, right/wrong. Good/bad deal with something's intrinsic worth, while right/wrong deal with something being morally obligatory. 

Second, there is a distinction between objective and subjective moral values. Objective means independent of what anyone thinks, while subjective means dependent on what people think. Therefore, to claim there are "objective moral values" is to say that some things are good or bad independent of whatever anyone thinks about it. Likewise, having "objective moral duties" means certain actions are right or wrong regardless of what people think. Hence, had Stalin conquered the world for Communism and brainwashed everyone in the whole world into thinking Communist oppression and political purges were a great thing, it would still be bad.

What evidence is there that premise one is true? Traditionally, people placed moral values in God, Who is the highest Good. If God does not exist, what is the basis for objective moral values, and why believe humans have objective moral worth? On the atheistic viewpoint, matter and energy are all that exist. All we can know, comes primarily through science. Yet, science has nothing to say about moral values; they cannot be examined in a test tube via the scientific method. For atheists then, morality is simply the subjective creation of humans. They are the product of evolution and social conditioning. Just as a troupe of baboons exhibit cooperative behaviors and even self-sacrificial acts because natural selection has determined it to be advantageous for survival, so homo sapiens exhibit similar behavior for the same reasons.  

As a result of socio-biological pressures, there has evolved among homo sapiens a certain "herd morality," which functions well in the preservation of our species. Yet, on the atheistic viewpoint, there is nothing about homo sapiens that makes this morality objectively true. There's no reason to think people with a very different set of values might not have evolved instead. To think, on this worldview, that homo sapiens are special, and their morality must be true, is to succumb to speciesism , an unjustified bias towards your own species and lacking any justification. 

If there is no God, any basis for the herd morality which evolved as being objectively true is gone. All you're left with is an ape-like creature on an insignificant spec in the universe with delusions of moral grandeur. Moving on to moral duties, it was traditionally thought to spring from the Ten Commandments, but, once more, if God does not exist, what basis is there for objective moral duties? On the atheistic worldview, humans are merely highly developed animals. When a lion kills a zebra, he kills, but does not murder it. Likewise, when a Great White Shark forcibly copulates with a female, he forces her, but does not rape her. There are no moral dimensions to these actions; they are neither prohibited nor obligatory.

So, if God does not exist, why should people think they have any moral obligations and prohibitions? They are nothing more than subjective ideas derived from parental and societal conditioning. Certain actions such as incest or rape may not be biologically and societally advantageous, and so in the course of human development, have become taboo. However, this does not equate with being wrong, only disadvantageous. The rapist who goes against the herd morality is really only doing something frowned upon, much like belching loudly at the dinner table. 

Be careful: The question we should ask is not, "Can non-believers live moral lives?" There are plenty that do live what most people recognize as decent lives. The  question is also not, "Can we recognize objective moral values and duties without belief in God?" The Natural Law can be known by all. Parents need not believe in God to realize they should love and care for their children. Rather, the question is, " If God does not exist, do objective moral values and duties exist?" It is not about belief in God for objective morality, but the necessity of His actual existence. 

There are some who hold to "Atheistic Moral Platonism," which declares there is objective morality, but it is not grounded in God. How to reply? First, it seems absurd to say, e.g.,  the moral value of justice exists. In the absence of people, how does justice exist? Moral values appear to be properties of persons, e.g., "St. Joseph was just." Second, let's suppose, ad arguendo, that moral virtues like justice, mercy, and loyalty exist as abstract objects. How does that become a moral duty to behave that way? Ostensibly, moral vices such as greed, lust, and envy, also exist as abstract objects. Why must we align ourselves with one set of abstractions over another? Atheistic Moral Platonism, lacking a Lawgiver, has no basis for moral obligation.

How do atheists respond? They want there to be objective moral values and duties (the majority of them anyway), so they claim some kind of humanism and declare that human flourishing is the objective good. However, human flourishing is merely arbitrary and capricious. Given atheism, why think what is conducive to human flourishing is any more valuable than what is conducive to the flourishing of ants or rats? Why is it wrong to harm another member of our species, if we get a benefit? 

Premise 2: Objective moral values and duties do exist.

As to the second premise, we have reason to believe objective moral values and duties do exist. I believe in an external world of objects as my senses tell me, unless there is an overriding defeater not to trust my senses. Likewise, in the absence of a defeater, I should accept what my moral experience tells me about what is good and bad. Most people will readily admit that acts such as rape, child abuse, and torturing an innocent person to death, aren't merely socially unacceptable--they are moral abominations. Anyone who would claim such actions are good or morally neutral would (rightfully) have their mental fitness called into question. 

In my personal experience, I've found that moral relativists will quickly become flustered and unable to answer, if you turn their own anti-Catholic assumptions against them. Since they hate what they perceive as the "evil" of the Inquisition and Crusades, ask them, "Were they objectively bad? Isn't it just your own personal opinion?" Do the same with the V2 sect abuse of children. "Is it really wrong, or your opinion?" Of course, if they claim it's just an opinion, any real opposition crumbles. Why should I be bound by your opinion? If they admit them objectively wrong, they concede the second premise as true. 

Conclusion: God Exists

Given the truth of the first two premises, it logically follows that God exists. A final consideration is the objection called "The Euthyphro Dilemma." The question is asked, "Are the Ten Commandments good because God made them, or did God make the Ten Commandments because they are good?" If you say, "The Commandments are good because God made them," it makes those commands arbitrary. God could have just as well commanded, "Thou SHALT kill." If you say "God made the Commandments because they are good," then what is good is independent of God and contradicts premise one. 

Fortunately, this is a false dilemma.  The answer is that the Commandments are an expression of the Attributes of God. God Wills the Commandments because He is good, and they are the realization of His Supreme Moral Goodness.  The Moral Argument compliments the Cosmological Argument by telling us the moral Nature of the Creator of the Universe. It gives us a necessary, personal Being, Who is not only Perfectly Good, but is the standard of goodness, and Whose Commandments  constitute our moral duties. 

40 comments:

  1. Modern man has rejected God and made himself his own god and he invents his own moral values based on human rights. This is why we hear about the "right to abortion" or the "right to love whoever you want". Isn't it an antichristic time that the time in which we live ? When the real Antichrist comes, those who still believe in Catholic values will have to live in hiding.

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    1. Simon,
      We may indeed find ourselves in "catacombs" once more. Pray much.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Introibo,

      I enjoy your blog very much. I have been listening to you on the Catholic Family podcast as well. Outstanding work. First time I have posted here. We are about the same age and from the same area. I attend Latin Mass on Long Island. Is there any way to contact you other than through this blog? Thank you.

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    3. Vendee Victores,
      Thank you for the kind words my friend! If you wish to contact me, please send a comment here with an email where you can be reached. I promise not to publish your email address. You will then receive an email from an account that protects my anonymity. It will say "From Introibo" in the subject line. We can correspond from there.
      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  2. Introibo,

    what is your opinion on the book "Iota Unum" by Romano Amerio?
    I know it's a classic but haven't read it in its entirety, and I wonder if there's anything in it which might favor the recognize and resist fallacy. It is my Christmas gift idea for a very close relative who's a convinced sedevacantist but still hasn't done much theological research on his own. There's no comprehensive printed rebuttal of the Vatican II sect in Polish from a sede point of view like the book by the Radecki Fathers.

    Since Prof. Amerio was a peritus at the Council, do you by any chance know if he and Fr. DePauw ever met?

    God Bless,
    Joanna S.

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    1. Joanna,
      The book is R&R. It has many good and valid points, but fails to draw the correct conclusion (sedevacantism). Yes, Fr. DePauw knew Prof. Amerio and didn't think very highly of him. He didn't think an exception should be made to the requirement that a peritus must have a JCD or STD. (Amerio's doctorate was in philosophy). He said he was "often wrong" but wouldn't elaborate.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thank you, Introibo.
      I noticed Prof. Amerio being called a "theologian" which is absurd, given the Church's requirements for recognizing someone as an approved Catholic theologian.

      Glad to know Fr. DePauw's valuable opinion, too.

      If you ever get the time to put your memoirs of Fr. DePauw on paper, I'd make it my priority to make them available in Polish. I can't tell you enough how helpful these various bits and pieces of Father's life that you already wrote about have been to me!

      God Bless,
      Joanna S.

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    3. Joanna,
      In 2026, I will retire and work on that memoir. I will take you up on the translation!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  3. Hello Introibo:

    1. Do you think that Padre Pio was validly ordained?

    2. Would you be able to tell us more about Father DePauw 's brother Father Adhemar?

    Thanks. From Anonymous

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    1. @anon3:27

      1. Yes, unquestionably. He was ordained in the Traditional Rite of Holy Orders in 1910, under the pontificate of Pope St. Pius X. There is no reason to doubt or deny his orders.

      2. Fr. Adhemar was a good and holy Franciscan priest who (like his brother) never offered anything but the True Mass and sacraments his whole life. He was highly intelligent and was often sent on missions from the Vatican--one of which was to report on the aforementioned Padre Pio! Although Fr. Adhemar was sworn to secrecy and never told a soul anything, his priestly brother told me he seemed "quite unimpressed" by the Capuchin. Fr. DePauw then said to me "he will never be one of my favorite so-called saints."

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  4. Hello Introibo.

    Great writing.We pray daily for good Father DePauw.

    We are going to listen to your talk on yoga later today.Thank you.

    Is it correct that Hindu's believe animals,etc are divine.

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    1. @anon4:02
      Yes, Hindus believe that everything is divine as they subscribe to pantheism. They also believe certain animals to have "special significance," e.g., monkeys and cows.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  5. Hello,

    I didn't read this article (at least not yet), I simply wanted to reach out to say that I am currently in the Dimond/MHFM rabbit hole. If I am being 100% honest, I did already see red flags entering it (the rabbit hole), but I chose to ignore them. Even though I have learned a lot from them and even from Feeney's "The Point" (which is interesting more from the social/political angle and the selling out that many bishops were doing back then), I still could not shake that something is wrong. The cases they make are compelling, yet I can't square this circle.

    I reached out to and met with a sede priest in my area, and I will be continuing to talk with him. He's very open and approachable, easy to talk to unlike many trad/sede priests, which are honestly often very stuck up and seem to get offended at wanting explanation of things. Often don't seem to care much about adult converts. I have not been raised religious, and I don't really have anybody to actually talk to about really anything relating to the Catholic faith until literally just yesterday. I study pretty much everything a lot on my own, but I never actually get to talk to anybody about anything. I only ever seem to be on the receiving end of information, with no possibility of discourse or clarification. It's very frustrating and isolating. I am having a really hard time right now, and I'm am very unsure of myself right now.

    Are the Dimonds just master manipulators or what? I looked into that case where that (foolish) guy gave them over a million dollars. It made me feel uncomfortable, but I simply chose to ignore it. They seem to be borderline Calvinist, and pretty much everybody is a heretic according to them. The whole end of the world thing doesn't exactly help them not seem like a cult. Have I been duped, plain and simple? Are they just epic grifters?

    I feel very foolish and confused, I feel like I'm teetering on the edge of disbelief. Idk why I'm writing you all this, I simply read a few posts you made bringing up things that just can't be ignored in relation to MHFM. I even bought some of their materials. Are they just master manipulators? Am I just stupid? Idk what I expect from you, just prayers I suppose. I have been isolated for a while now. What if they are right? I feel like an abused partner torn between staying and leaving.

    Sorry for the rant. I simply want the Truth. I'm trying to get at it and get out of this rabbit hole. I seem to have a habit of falling into them, though. The internet and all the information we have access to is a blessing yet can also be an immense burden/curse, as you've stated. Thanks for reading if you did. I would understand if you ignored me.

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    1. Florida Man.
      I would not ignore you. I can understand a spiritual crisis coming from the Dimond brothers. Many people get taken in by these Feeneyite frauds. Don't blame yourself, rather be glad God has given you the grace to seek a way out! That Traditionalist priest is a gift to you from God! I'll be praying for you, and feel free to comment here with any questions or concerns. I will help you all I can.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thank you. Yes it's been a blessing to finally have a priest to talk to. I can't wait to have my "complexion of baptism" as he called it. It's been a rough few days for me. The inconsistencies were finally "hitting home." It's like you said in another comment from another article I read, MHFM leads in most cases to remaining in heresy or a complete loss of faith. Everything is so very confusing these days. Everything, from politics and culture, to "science" and religion. Thank you for your efforts.

      I was actually baptized by a layman referred to me by MHFM. We are going to be talking soon. I have to show him what I've learned. He's been going without the sacraments since moving to my home state, Florida. We'll see how it goes.

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    3. Florida man,
      God bless you in your struggles. I'm glad you found a true priest to talk to. Keep praying - "He who prays is saved, he who doesn't is lost" - St. Alphonsus de Liguori. Hang in there, God sees your struggles, trust in His Providence for you. Trust in His plan for you. What the devil wants is that you give up and stop praying. Many, myself included, have had struggles in the faith, and I often questioned the point of suffering (because I didn't fully understand and accept why we suffer) before my conversion. I read a little about the brothers early on, as I tried to take in a lot of information quickly. Information overload, like what you referred to. Thankfully I was guided away. The handful of (sede) priest I've encountered across multiple states have been helpful and interested in my conversion story. That said, I'm not doubting what you have encountered, just sharing so that you hang in there and keep trying. Perhaps a few that aren't nearby would be open to phone calls for help. Try to not feel bad about being duped - most of us have been, as much of the world is trying to dupe us all the time. It can be exhausting. Again, keep praying and hang in there. Keep asking God for help and discernment. I'm not going to get into the home alone topic, but I will warn that you should definitely be seeking sacraments from a valid priest. There's plenty of good information out there on the home alone topic, including right here on this site. Perhaps I misunderstand you about your layman friend. Take care.
      -Seeking Truth

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    4. Hello Florida Man, if you don't mind answering, what made you start to doubt MHFM?

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    5. Florida man - I may have erroneously posted a comment directed at you, as a "new" comment, vs a reply to your comment thread, fyi. Take care. -S.T.

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    6. Florida Man,

      Just a heads up...

      Depending on your location in Florida keep your Red Flags up if:

      You come across Feeneyites in the Spring Hill area who are sedevacantist but connected with Bp. Webster and Fr. Crawford.

      Also another group coming from Bp. Patrick Taylor line in the Orlando area. From what I understand their Orders may be doubtful and positions on things may be questionable.

      Another priest in Melbourne Fl. is also questionable in many more ways than one.

      Paisley Florida at a hermitage called shrine of Holy Innocents.

      It's most likely a green light as far Orders and Doctrine go, if you come across:

      If you are in Miami, at Bp. Greene church of Our Lady of Seven Sorrows.

      In Tampa Bay area Fr. Emilio Fattore's Immaculate Conception Church.

      SSPV are located near the Ft. Lauderdale and Starke (Northern Florida). Just beware that they have a problem with Thuc line priests and will refuse communion to those who attend these chapels/churches. Take your chances if you must. Other than that you shouldn't have and issue.

      Brooksville, where Bp. Selway and newly consecrated Bp. Fliess reside with a few other priests.

      If you are in the panhandle, Fr. Francis Miller O.F.M comes to Penscola Fl. He is fantastic.

      Last but not least, a CMRI priest comes occasionally to Jacksonville area once in a while.

      One good thing is you have plenty of options compared to most states.

      Lee

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    7. Thank you. Yeah I've been in contact with Fr Fattore in Tampa.

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    8. Idk how to reply directly, but when I saw Pius XII's allocution to midwives specifically mention BoD that pretty much sealed the deal. I realized that either the Dimonds are wrong or pretty much every pope has allowed heresy to be taught and that effectively the Church has defected. I decide on the former.

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  6. Introibo,

    As always, thank you for your efforts in compiling and summarizing this info. Although I don’t listen to him these days, Dennis Prager had a video out a little while back regarding God and morals, something to the effect that if God doesn’t exist, murder is ok.

    Although there isn’t a lot of talk in the mainstream internet about it, these days there is talk of incest being “ok”, “if that’s what works for them” – talk about moral relativism and “your truth”! Most know that story hour and cartoons with drag queens are now somewhat the “norm”.

    Thanks for taking the time to explain the various details in this argument for the existence of God. I read the post a couple times. It is one thing to read something and understand for yourself, it can be another thing to read and process for the purpose and aim of explaining it to others convincingly.

    God bless you, my friend,
    -S.T.

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    1. Seeking Truth,
      I'm so glad I can be of assistance in helping people defend the Faith. It's people like you who keep me writing!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  7. Greetings, I am an occasional reader of this blog who is not a sedevacantist; I ask you if you don't mind because of the following: I happened to read a page where they say that you are not Catholics because they accept false bishops and priests because there can be no valid consecrations or ordinations in vacant seats.

    https://www.betrayedcatholics.com/vacantis-apostolicae-sedis-vindicated/

    What can you think of websites like this? Thanks.

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    1. @anon10:51
      This is the "Home Alone" website of Teresa Benns, a woman who doesn't understand even the basics of theology. She put together the "conclave" that "elected" "Pope" Michael (David Bawden, d. 2022).

      To read more about her and the Home Alone position, please see my post

      https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-correct-interpretation-and-youre.html

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    Introibo,
    Great apologist blog post. It is very important especially in these times to remember what Pope Pius XII teaches:
    29 It is well known how highly the Church regards human reason [...] Reason can perform these functions safely and well only when properly trained, that is, when imbued with that sound philosophy."
    (Cf. encyclical "Humani generis").
    I have a philosophical-theological question for you: when does God pour a spiritual soul into the body of monozygotic twins? Does this occur at conception, since "the fertilised egg then splitting into two?
    Thank you very much in advance for your answer.

    God Bless,
    Paweł

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    1. Pawel,
      The Church has never answered this question, but in my opinion, it would occur as soon as the split occurs.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Introibo,
      I have a question but what about the zygote before division? Is it a human being? Because the spiritual soul is the form of the human body.

      God Bless,
      Paweł

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    Joanna S.,
    Regarding this post by Introbio on the moral argument for the existence of God, are you familiar with the work of Fr. Szymon Bańka SSPX and Karol Fjałkowski? Have you listened to their debate? Karol Fjałkowski has just argued that there is no such thing as objective truth, objective moral good/evil, and even when someone rapes children "one can only have opinions on the matter". His main premise is absolute scepticism. Here is a quote from him:
    - "The fundamental and most dangerous mystification in the history of human thought is to tell us that knowledge of objective reality is possible, that we can find out what is the true nature of things, the objective meaning of existence, to find out what is really good, what is valuable. The father of this lie, Plato, distinguished between two types of opinion: opinion - 'doxa' and knowledge - 'episteme'. The Greek "doxa" - "opinion" comes from "dokein" - to seem, to give an impression of, so literally it is "what it seems, what the impression is" by default, not what it actually is. In contrast, "episteme" is "cognition, knowledge" from "epihisteim" - literally "to determine". Episteme is to establish, to know, to know how things really, really are. What is the purpose of this distinction? What did Plato want to say by this? He wanted to say to you: 'Your experiences in life lead you to subjective opinions. What you think is so it seems to you". Meanwhile, there is the possibility of achieving objective knowledge. Who realises this possibility? Well, we - the intellectual elite, the aristocracy of the spirit, philosophers, theologians, professors, whoever claims the title in each epoch [...] Pius XII reminds us: "For this philosophy, acknowledged and accepted by the Church, safeguards the genuine validity of human knowledge [...] and finally the mind's ability to attain certain and unchangeable truth". I for one do not see how it is possible to acquire a certain and unchangeable truth, I do not see how specifically one could rise above opinion and acquire objective knowledge. No one has ever accomplished this or even shown how to do it, or even shown that it is possible at all."
    - "On what is this claim of authority by the Magisterium of the Church on objective reality based? Allegedly on the authority of Revelation from God, the testimony of history and rational reasoning. But the correct understanding of Revelation, the true interpretation of history and the principles of correct reasoning are determined by the Magisterium itself. Thus, ultimately, the Magisterium of the Church has authority because it is evidenced by rational arguments whose rationality has been established by the Magisterium of the Church with its authority. This is a reasoning that is absolutely indisputable".
    - When Fr. Bańka accused him that "You claim that objective truth is that there is no objective truth", he replied: "No, Father, that is just my subjective opinion. Just as you Father can only have a subjective opinion". He often cites David Hume.
    Do you or Introbio recommend any philosophy textbooks to obviate such skintight scepticism?
    Thank you in advance for your help.
    Nota bene, even he sees a lack of substantial continuity in doctrine, worship and discipline before and after Vatican II:
    "The biggest despicable deception is this,
    that today's Catholic hierarchy pretends that this religion which emerged from the Second Vatican Council has continuity of faith with Catholicism before the Council [...] The vast majority of Catholics, not knowing about the Council, believe today in a completely different religion and go to a completely different Church than the Church was even 60 years ago".
    Sorry for such a long entry.

    God Bless,
    Paweł

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    1. Pawel,
      On what does he base his subjective opinion? He obviously believes that other minds exist and that "It is objectively true that subjective opinions are all we have." Why? The proverbial ball is in his court!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Paweł,

      I guess it would be best to start with the basics of philosophy on the basis of the twenty four Thomistic theses. Men like Karol Fjałkowski thrive on the ignorance of their followers who get swayed by atheistic sophistry. This is easy and flatters the ego of the "sage" and of his "disciples" - all of this pseudo-philosophical garbage can be refuted with the fundamentals of the system of St. Thomas.

      See this work:
      https://polona.pl/item/zasady-filozofji-dwadziescia-cztery-tezy-tomistyczne,OTI5MDQ0MzI/
      by Fr. Edouard Hugon O.P., who was a truly outstanding philosopher (actually, the great Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange likened Fr. Hugon - his colleague at the Angelicum University in Rome - to none other than St. Thomas Aquinas himself!).

      That book is now available in print under a new title but the contents should be the same as it has the 1925 Imprimatur. You can have a sneak peak into the reprint here:
      https://multibook.pl/pl/p/Edouard-Hugon-OP-Podstawy-filozofii-katolickiej/9383

      God Bless You,
      Joanna S.

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    3. Introibo,

      you're so right! This man is so blinded by his subjective skepticism that he can't see how he's made his own mind the source of objectivity!

      God Bless,
      Joanna S.

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    4. Introbio and Joanna S.,
      thank you very much for your replies.
      Karol Fjałkowski would have replied anyway that: "No. It is just my subjective opinion that subjective opinions are all we have".
      I was just thinking about purchasing this textbook. I have decided to purchase the textbook "Podstawy filozofii katolickiej" ("Fundamentals of Catholic Philosophy") by Fr Edouard Hugon O.P. Using Aristotelian-Thomistic philosophy in discussions in everyday life is difficult insofar as the vast majority of people do not understand its terminology and principles.
      I am considering buying "Katechizm dla niewierzących" ("Catechism for non-believers") by Fr Antonin Sertillanges O.P. (https://sklep.antyk.org.pl/p,katechizm-dla-niewierzacych-tom-1-i-2,6554.html). Joanna, are you familiar with this catechism?

      God Bless,
      Paweł

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    5. Paweł,

      This book by Fr. Sertillanges is a great buy!
      It's written to resemble a casual conversation between the author and the non-believing reader which makes it very easy to be read and understood by just about anyone of good will. Of course, it's thoroughly Catholic.

      God Bless You,
      Joanna S.

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    6. Joanna S.,
      I think buying this catechism will be a good idea.

      Introbio/Joanna S.,
      I have a question, is Paul VI's encyclical "Humanae vitae" fully consistent with Catholic doctrine? In other words, could a true pope theoretically promulgate such an encyclical? Is there any sedevacantist commentary on it?

      God Bless,
      Paweł

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    7. Pawel,
      I don't know of any sedevacantist commentary on HV. Fr. DePauw said it was not orthodox in parts. I'll see if I can find my notes from when he told me.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    8. Paweł,

      it seems to me that the deceptiveness of Humanae Vitae lies in the fact that, while seemingly forbidding the use of contraceptives, it bases that prohibition on false premises, that is the reversal of the primary and secondary end of marriage done by Vatican II (it was later codified into the Wojtylian Code of Canon Law in 1983).
      Para. 12 of HV says this:

      "(...) the fundamental nature of the marriage act, while uniting husband and wife in the closest intimacy, also renders them capable of generating new life—and this as a result of laws written into the actual nature of man and of woman. And if each of these essential qualities, the unitive and the procreative, is preserved, the use of marriage fully retains its sense of true mutual love and its ordination to the supreme responsibility of parenthood to which man is called."
      See how the unitive aspect is placed BEFORE the procreative one in HV - indeed, the devil's in the detail.

      The Catholic teaching is this: the primary end of marriage is the procreation and education of children, and the secondary (and thus subordinate) end is the mutual love and help of the spouses.

      I'd love to hear what Fr. De Pauw had to say about HV!

      God Bless,
      Joanna S.

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  10. As for the article, I think I found this one: https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/697297/posts.

    Paweł

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  11. Introbio,
    I look forward to Fr DePauw's commentary on "Humanae vitae".

    Joanna S.,
    I have heard of this change. Even among the Polish Novus Ordo priests who comment on the encyclical "Humanae vitae" one can see such a personalistic approach to sexuality and marriage. Wojtyla was certainly - still as a professor of ethics at the Catholic University of Lublin and in Polish seminaries - a great advocate of the phenomenological and personalistic approach.
    The Novus Ordo Catechism states:
    2319 Every human life, from the moment of conception until death, is sacred because the human person has been willed for its own sake in the image and likeness of the living and holy God.
    Don't you think the word 'sacred' is quite inadequate here? After all, the unborn foetus, which although a true innocent human being, is nevertheless in a state of original sin and has no sanctifying grace.I do not believe that the likeness to God in human nature (immaterial intellect and will as faculties of the human soul) makes a human being immediately holy. Unless I don't understand something here.

    God Bless,
    Paweł

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    1. Paweł,

      I think that statement from the Wojtylian catechism is at least ambiguous or savoring of error, implicitly undermining the reality of original sin.
      Bergoglio justifies his condemnation of death penalty on that alleged "sacredness" and the dignity of men (wrongly) understood in an absolute manner. Contrast it with the teaching of Pius XII who said that the criminal justly convicted by the State to be executed had already deprived himself of his dignity by having committed a crime so heinous as to deserve the death penalty - quoted here: https://novusordowatch.org/2022/09/bergoglian-naturalism-against-death-penalty/

      God Bless,
      Joanna S.

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