"A group of teenagers in Seattle found a suitcase containing human remains near a shoreline after a popular smartphone app, Randonautica, prompted them to explore the area.
The group had been filming their explorations and posted a video to TikTok, a social media platform. User @ughhenry posted the TikTok on June 20 and it shows the group stumbling upon a small, black suitcase.
At first, childish laughs permeate the video as they initially think it’s filled with money, a caption reads. Egged on by the group, one girl opens the top and lifts it from a distance using a wooden stick, revealing a black plastic bag filled with something.
“As soon as she opened it, the smell was overwhelming,” read one of the video captions.
They then called the police, the video shows. The next clip shows police and fire trucks surrounding the beach.
Seattle police later confirmed the contents inside the suitcase were human remains and said investigators had found several other bags in the area, also body parts.
KING 5, a local news outlet, reported the remains belonged to 35-year-old Jessica Lewis and 27-year-old Austin Wenner. Both died on June 16 from multiple gunshot wounds. Seattle police said the case is still an open homicide investigation.
Randonautica told BuzzFeed News it was “shocked at the very unfortunate coincidence.”
“Our first reaction was to reach out to the teenagers to make sure they were doing alright. We sent a message letting them know the intention of Randonautica is not to find something disturbing like this,” it said.
The exploring app has gained popularity since much of the world entered lockdowns during the COVID-19 pandemic.
The app generates random coordinates in a user’s general vicinity that the user, called a Randonaut, can then travel to. The idea is meant to encourage a “choose your own adventure” reality game."
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Another example caught on video by a man named Bryan from Texas shared a Tik Tok video where one night he was led to a destination near his home where the Randonautica app brought him. It was a street corner just few blocks from his apartment building.
When he arrived, nothing out of the ordinary happened for a few minutes as he looks around until he started searching around the ground. Near a telephone pole he spots a California license of a man. It had expired 16 years prior.
When Bryan went home to do some research on the man to see if he could return his license to him he discovers that the man on the license was in a shootout with the police back in 2001 where he ended up passing away from his injuries. Police were looking for him because he was involved in the murderer of two people near the very apartment building where Bryan lived. He also died in the area of where he found his expired license.
A teen named Mykena on TikTok shared a video of themselves immediately following their Randonautica quest. In the video, Mykena cries and explains why she will never go Randonauting again.
The intention she entered into the app was “death,” and that’s very nearly what she found. The app sent her to a spot where a body lay still on the ground, bleeding. Mykena assumed that they were indeed dead. Based on her follow-ups and investigations from local news and police, it appears that Mykena did indeed stumble across a body, though it was only near to death. The 23-year-old victim of a recent shooting was luckily discovered in time and brought to a nearby hospital.
Reddit user u/mindf[censored]_ shared a photo of their Randonautica experience. What was scary about the experience was not what the app led the user to, but what it led them away from.
Their post title speaks volumes: “Went randonauting last night at 3 am. Came back to my shop burned down.” Their photo indeed shows a workshop, complete with a collection of expensive tools and vehicles, heavily burned and covered in ash. They go on to respond to several comments, among which two hypotheses stand out: if indeed Randonautica is not so random, then it either got him out of the way to facilitate arson, or it saved his life from an attack.
The Angelic Doctor's teachingMost people who use the app do it for a number of reasons. Those who are skeptical want to see if it works like everybody says. Some may use it because they are bored and because of idleness, want to have something to do that is fun or popular. Others do it because they want to jump on the band wagon with their friends. Regardless of why people do what they do, any reason for using the app can be centered on some form of curiosity. Hence the reason the app's logo is the owl looking sideways which is supposed to mean getting a new perspective.
The great St. Thomas Aquinas explains how the virtue of temperance can be violated in regards to the sinful vice of curiosity:
Curiosity
(b) those by which one directs one's life through fortuitous and impertinent happenings in the belief that they have the power to influence one's fortunes favorably or adversely. This form of superstition is like divination by omens; the difference is that in using omens one chiefly seeks for knowledge of the future, while in observing chance events one chiefly intends the direction of one's conduct. Examples are found in persons who fear to make a journey on Friday or to begin any important affair during the dark of the moon.
Conclusion
There are plenty of ways to go on a adventure without needing an app to set ones' desired effect. If you are a thrill seeker, look for things that are not dangerous and which are lawful. If you want to go to a quiet place, just make sure wherever it may be is a safe area. In other words, common sense should tell us that Randonautica is a disaster waiting to happen.
"Seek not the things that are too high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability: but the things that God hath commanded thee, think on them always, and in many of his works be not curious. For it is not necessary for thee to see with thy eyes those things that are hid. In unnecessary matters be not over curious, and in many of his works thou shalt not be inquisitive. For many things are shewn to thee above the understanding of men. And the suspicion of them hath deceived many, and hath detained their minds in vanity. A hard heart shall fear evil at last: and he that loveth danger shall perish in it." Sirach 3:22-27
Good post Lee ! Rather scary to come across gruesome things while using an app ! I don't have an iPhone or a smartphone, so I save time by not going through all the tips that are suggested to us and which are not always useful.
ReplyDeleteGod bless you Introïbo !
Simon,
DeleteTime and time again people seek a thrill. It oftentimes leads them to a bad situation. Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door shall be opened. These words of Our Lord Jesus Christ were meant to lead to Him and many people are interested in seeking and knocking for everything but Him.
Lee
Yes, Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life but the devil puts traps on the road which leads us to God and many go astray.
DeleteSimon,
DeleteVery true!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Correction: I had a typo. The app was first launched on Feb 22. 2020. Not 2022 as I stated in the article. Sorry.
ReplyDeleteLee
Lee,
DeleteThank you! I corrected it!
God Bless,
---Introibo
This is scary I agree where you likened it to a ouiji board it’s sounds satanic!
ReplyDeleteAnon. 7:50,
DeleteSpeaking of ouiji board there was one example of a man I didn't mention, who used the Randonautica app. for the first time and didn't set his intention so it set it for him and led him deep in the woods where he rode on his four wheeler to go to.
He came upon an old rusted out car and after observing the area for a few minutes heard a voice say "help me." Spooked by it he left, but was dared to go back at night by his live audience when he was recording it all. So he went back to the same remote spot (near nothing for miles) and found some clothing and toys near the car. After asking if anybody was there a voice replied, "you want to play a game" which he didn't hear until he got back and listened to the recording.
He gave up Randonautica for a couple weeks but his his internet followers pressured him to set his intention where he asked the app to find out more about the old car. It led him back to the same location, so he went back a third time and ventured out a little further. He found a make shift tent in the woods which had some strange random objects such as paper and other belongings. He also found a sim card which he took home and uploaded.
When he uploaded the sim card he found three random pictures and a 4-5 second video on it. The pictures had an image of jar with water in it. Another image was a pad lock. The last image had a piece of paper which said, "Don't talk to them." The video was a person with a flash light that suddenly turns off and whom you can hear groan at the end.
Unfortunately the person witnessing all this decided a few day later to play with the ouiji board for more answers. He ended up with furniture moving around in his own house and convinced himself that he was followed by whatever it was he went to seek in the woods.
The moral of the story:
1. Randonautica is sinister
2. Don't play with it
3. Pray to St. Michael and the angels daily
Lee
Lee,
DeleteThree excellent take-aways!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Pokemon Go
ReplyDelete@anon8:44
DeleteSee my post:
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2016/07/demon-chasers.html?showComment=1469330580043
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo and/or Lee:
ReplyDelete1. Could you some day have a blog post about scrupulosity?
2. Of the various traditional Mass groups, what is an order of preference? I realize that Introibo and Lee may differ on this. I believe that Introibo endorses various groups, but what groups might you prefer more?
2b. Any advice about approaching "independent" priests?
3. What would you say to somebody who cannot get to a traditional Mass, because it is too expensive and they can't find a ride?
4. How do you suggest somebody find traditional Catholic friends in real life?(No I am not asking Introibo or Lee specifically to be somebody's friends.)
5. How do you suggest a traditional Catholic find an attorney to help with making something like a will, funeral, etc.?(No, I am not asking Introibo specifically to be anybody's attorney.)
@anon5:59
Delete1. Yes, but I can't promise exactly when I'll get to it.
2. My preference is for the SSPV. The CMRI is also excellent.
2b. Make sure they are validly ordained and profess the Integral Catholic Faith.
3. First, ask the Chapel if they have any parishioners nearby who could drive them. If not, save up and go once a month. Perhaps the priest could come to them with the Sacraments once a month.
4. Join a Traditionalist Chapel or Church and become active.
5. Ask the priest at a Traditionalist Chapel who he uses, or if he could recommend a parishioner who is an attorney.
I'll let Lee answer for himself if he wishes!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Anon. 5:59
DeleteIntroibo's gives excellent answers
For me:
1. Scrupulosity would be hard to write about at length. Those who struggle with it are usually those who pay attention to detail, are OCD, and have the temptation to constantly believe that every temptation might be a mortal sin.
It's good to pay attention to detail, a vice to be OCD, and just remember temptations are not sins and are not always mortal if there is an absence of knowledge of whether something is a mortal sin or serious sin or if there isn't full consent. If you suspect you might have had all three present just confess it to a priest to be on the safe side.
2. SGG, CMRI, or other independent priests or bishops associated with them are my preference. Bishop Giles Butler, SSPV and those who are connected to Bp. Sanborn/Mater Boni Consilii are also fine to go to. Just don't let them scandalize or overwhelm you with the Cassiciacum Thesis (Bp. Sanborn's associates), Thuc bishops being valid and whether you're permitted to receive sacraments (SSPV), or ordinary jurisdiction where nobody on earth are Catholic except them (Bp. Giles group). They will do it at one point. There are also priests and bishops from the Thuc line that are connected to Bp. Christian Datesson's and Gaston Lopez lineage, that I'm not overly familiar with but they are okay as far as doctrine and tradition from my understanding. I could be wrong about that.
b. Check mark if the priest is:
Sedevacantist, not Feeneyite, not Una Cum (One with Francis) such as SSPX or the strict observance. Beware of priests and bishops who come from a line of succession associated with Bp. Slupski (died 2018). There are a few exceptions such as Bp. Ramolla at least in my opinion. Beware of priests associated with Bp. Patrick Taylor's line of priests. Beware of the Durate Costa line. Stay away from the Palomar de Troya sect or any other conclavist cult.
3. I watch mass on T.V. either at SGG in Cincy, CMRI in Idaho, or St. Jude's shrine in Texas when I cannot attend Mass which is often.
4 and 5. Ditto with Introibo's comment.
Lee
Dear Anonymous,
DeleteI'm sure you'll find great consolation in reading this short pamphlet on scrupulosity by Fr. William Doyle S.J. (1873-1917) titled "Scruples and Their Treatment":
https://fatherdoyle.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/scruples-and-their-treatment.pdf
Fr. Doyle was a priest whose zeal for souls was truly heroic (and that's no exaggeration!) and spiritual direction wise and prudent.
Lee,
I believe OCD is primarily a disorder of the mind, the onset of which may be brought about in a vulnerable or psychologically sensitive person if he or she is subjected to some mental trauma. I wouldn't necessarily classify it as a vice like drinking or binge-watching TV. Some people, even the types prone to ruminating over their thoughts or actions, or those of others, will not get the obsessive-compulsive symptoms if their social environment is balanced, so to speak.
God Bless You both,
Joanna S.
Joanna S.
DeleteI'll clarify. If somebody who has the tendency to be OCD (not actually OCD) it can be a vice. I'm using the term more so in the general sense because I'm really talking about those who worry too much.
Lee
Joanna S.,
DeleteYou beat me to it on Fr. Doyle's work, great recommendation!
@anon5:59
Fr. Cekada has a very short pamphlet on the topic as well, but Fr. Doyle's is more detailed. If the topic is a concern, it would do very well for one to read these. Even if one doesn't have scruples, the materials are very beneficial reading.
http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=4&catname=9
-S.T.
Lee,
DeleteI see what you mean and agree. Excessive self-focus and self-pity are vices definitely to be rooted out by means of humility and charity towards one neighbor. Bp. McGuire had an excellent Gaudete Sunday sermon on true joy being humility and charity combined.
God Bless,
Joanna S.
S.T.,
DeleteI've only read bits and pieces of Fr. Doyle's life but I'll say that - you can't go wrong with the spiritual direction of this saintly priest!
God Bless,
Joanna S.
Can you please elaborate on "beware of priests and bishops who come from a line of succession associated with Bp? Slupski (died 2018)."? Will they do bad things to the parishioners or is there something else dangerous about them?
DeleteJohn Gregory,
DeleteGlad you asked. Most of them aren't fully trained to be priests or bishops. This means that advice you receive in the confessional may not be beneficial to your salvation.
I don't want to give out names but there are some priests who have serious issues that involve how they exercise authority. Some espouse heresy such as Feeneyism. Some preach other goofy things like making it mandatory for men to sit on one side of church while women sit on the other along with other liturgical mandates. Still others are ordained and have actual mental disorders. There have been defrocked priests who were found out to later to be baptized in a different religion such as Lutheranism before converting to Catholicism and then steal from parishioners. I knew of one who lived with a woman. The list goes on.
There are some who are exceptions, but beware of most. I'll leave it at that.
Lee
Thank you Lee. That sounds entirely plausible and I don't doubt its correctness. Any thoughts on Bishop Slupski himself? BTW another great article.
DeleteThe above was not intended to be anonymous but is from John Gregory.
DeleteJohn Gregory,
DeleteBishop Slupski had good intentions but as the saying goes, the road to hell can be be paved by them. From what I understand, he had suffered persecution when he lived in Poland in the 60's and from that trauma and the state of Church after Vatican II, he had an unhealthy fear of running out of priests.
Unfortunately he was willing to ordain just about anybody so long as they appeared to have a vocation if they seemed sincere. From the results, I don't believe he was using good judgment and was actually hurting our cause more than helping it. I hope Our Lord had mercy on him.
Lee
Lee,
DeleteRegarding Gaston Lopez lineage, I have been told that due to the illicitness and probable invalidity of the Duarte-Costa line, Lopez was later consecrated again by a "bishop" Roux, after initially being consecrated by “Bp.” Mamistra Olivares (of the Duarte-Costa line). Roux falsely claimed to have been consecrated by Bp. Thuc at a time when witnesses testified Thuc was with them in another country, and he also previously claimed to have been consecrated by a schismatic bishop. Documents proving his claims were never produced.
Thank you for the info on Bp. Slupski. Do you know (or Introibo) anything about Fr. Anton Thai Trinh, who may be currently in Texas? I couldn’t find much too much on him, except that he may be affiliated with CMRI and was conditionally ordained through the SSPX (all from a trad blog). He gave sermons at the 2011 Fatima conference.
Thanks.
-S.T.
Bp. Mamistrá Olivares was consacrated sub-conditione by Bp. Pierre Sallé which was a Bp. Datessen (still alive, sub-conditione by Thuc). Their consecration certs are now available in the web. Bp. Lopez Gaston had Bp. Sallé line as well. See Ilustracion divina web
DeleteI must disagree with Lee's suspicion that this app holds some demonic power, or is in some way demonic. Everything described in the article (and I go solely by the article, I've no independent research) seems to me to be purely natural and easily explainable, particularly to those familiar with the basic principles of cold reading.
ReplyDelete1. Many example taken form TikTok or reddit are unreliable and they can be hoaxes done for attention.
2. That some people find something is nothing unusual. First of all, finding *something* is not difficult, it's more surprising that some find nothing. People are sent to a location and start searching - they are bound find something interesting in the general area, but the app, I believe, isn't reliable at finding specific things. If it was, it would be used to find money, jewellery, etc...
3. People who make a habit of visiting unpopulated areas are bound to place themselves in danger and run into dangerous people, uncover dead bodies, or stashes of narcotics. People who do urban exploration as a hobby find things like that with some regularity.
4. The girl that found "death" - that's just like the old cold reading (fortune telling) technique of telling people "you had a traumatic experience connected with water". It's so vague it necessarily true. Death - it could be dead body, dying body, dead animal, dead tree, dead car, any dangerous experience could be called a near death experience. If you're trying to look for something connected with death you'll probably find something to fit that description.
5. "It has been known to bring about bad luck in peoples lives who use it obsessively." Surely anything one uses obsessively brings bad luck. Nothing preternatural in that. I once knew a woman whose obsession with jigsaw puzzles seriously damaged her marriage.
6. "It lures people away from belief in God or the devil by trusting it more. It becomes like a god." Again this can be said about anything: money, therapy, medicine, guns, etc... It's not a property of the item, it's a property of the person. Sinner always looks for creations to replace God.
- Physiologus
Physiologus,
DeleteThank you for your comment.
Explain how the app. led explorers to two chopped up bodies in a suit case, which happened to be a real case where the police were able to identify the bodies later on. No it was not a hoax. It could be a coincidence but I don't buy that.
It's true that there are plenty of hoaxes that people will concoct. I am not willing to say that all of them are.
I just told you what I personally believe on the matter regarding whether Randonautica is demonic. You are free to disagree.
Lee
Lee,
DeleteI'm also stating my personal belief on the matter and you are obliviously free to disagree with me as well. I simply think that my opinion is more reasonable then yours - I wouldn't have stated it otherwise.
The body in a suitcase - people occasionally find dead bodies. In itself it's no more remarkable then any other kind of discovery. You may not buy it, but it's a simple coincidence that they discovered it whilst using the app. The app cannot be used consistently to discover dead bodies and solve police cases - if it could it would be used that way regularly. Since it's not consistent it's simply a fluke.
- Physiologus
Physiologus,
DeleteYou could be right. It's open either way. I never said I was opposed to the opposite viewpoint in the article.
Also for the sake of fairness, the Dimond Bros. did a 2 1/2 hour video on Magicians/Illusionist doing tricks, which in their video make it look as though absolutely demonic. If they would have done their research they would have found out how most of them were being performed. Some of them can't be explained but that doesn't mean that they aren't explainable. So I get your point.
As far as the dead bodies being found, it's not that they merely found them randomly but that the app led them to where X marks the spot, which is bizarre to say the least. It also led a man to an exact spot where he found a nearly 20 year old drivers license which revealed that the man in the picture was in a shootout 20 years before, died right there, and happened to live in the same guys (the man searching) apartment complex. How is that a fluke? There are many other stories, but as they say, you decide what you want to believe.
Take care,
Lee
Physiologus,
DeleteAlso the main point I was trying to drive home was the dangers of the app. People could be kidnapped while playing it, killed, or potentially something else. Therefore, it would be a sin to use it. You would agree with that surely?
Lee
Lee,
DeleteI can agree that using the app seems imprudent. Even by natural means it can lead people into dangerous places. I don't know if the danger is high enough to necessarily be a sin - I'll leave that judgment to priests.
At one point, out of semi-professional curiosity, I tried to watch Dimond's "documentary" about magicians. When I was younger I worked as an illusionist. Dimonds clearly know as little about illusion as they do about theology. I couldn't force myself to watch the whole thing.
God bless.
- Physiologus
Physiologus,
DeleteWhat if some priests say it's sinful and others say it's not? Who do you believe if there are opposing views? If it's not sinful to play, then would it not be sinful to put oneself in potential danger if it's imprudent as you admit?
As far as the Dimonds video, I did watch the whole thing. At first, I thought they were on to something, but on further inspection, there are youtube videos which explain how the magicians perform the death defying stunts and tricks from the very video footage that they showed such as David Copperfield going through the wall etc.
This is not to say that some Illusionist/ Magicians aren't in other ways Satanic such as Chris Angel who acts the way does, nor am I defending them. The point is the Dimonds were wrong again but pretend like they have all the answers.
Lee
Lee,
DeleteI said it seems imprudent. Just because something seems imprudent to me does not mean that it truly is imprudent, and certainly not that it is a sin. I leave that judgement to priests. If priests disagree, as they sometimes do, then you choose one and follow his opinion. It would probably be best to follow the opinion of your confessor - if only to avoid debates at the confessional. If indeed priests cannot agree on whether it is a sin, then we should be all the more careful in giving our opinion. If priests cannot settle an issue, we are all the more incapable.
- Physiologus
Physiologus-
DeleteSo in other words it's okay to put oneself in danger because you don't know if it's prudent or sinful. Yeah that makes a lot sense.
I've already had four priests agree with me and say they think Randonautica would be sinful to use and that it's probably Satanic much like a ouiji board.
So now what do you have to say?
Lee
Lee,
Delete"So now what do you have to say?" I'm not sure why are you putting it as a challenge.
"So in other words it's okay to put oneself in danger because you don't know if it's prudent or sinful. Yeah that makes a lot sense." - No, this isn't what I said. You have to judge whether something is prudent or sinful before you make a decision, but just because you came to one conclusion doesn't mean others can't disagree. They may even be right.
It's certainly okay to put oneself in danger. We do it every time we drive a car. There simply has to be a reason proportional to the level of danger.
Just because something seems imprudent to you or me doesn't mean that other people don't know how to use it prudently. The same goes for sinfulness. If you think that something is sinful, don't do it. If you don't know whether something is sinful, ask a priest.
I'm glad you asked some priests - that's what I advised from the beginning. I would ask if they investigated the matter themselves, or if they simply relied on what you said about the app?
If I were unsure whether to use this app I'd ask my priest, my confessor. I am not inclined to use the app, but I am also not unsure as to its nature - nothing you described sees to go beyond what is achievable by simple fortune telling tricks.
- Physiologus
Physiologus,
DeleteOriginally you said my position was unreasonable. because of my personal conclusions regarding whether the app may have Satanic power because you don't believe that it is possible that it does. Then you a person should ask ones priest.
I asked four priests and they all agree with me, that it would be sinful to use and that it's probably Satanic. Would you say they are unreasonable because they have the same belief of it as me?
Driving a car is a necessary potential danger just like having wood burning stove in your home because you need one to travel to work and the other to heat your home etc.
Randonautica is an unnecessary potential danger because you don't need it to play just because everybody else is or because you're bored. That's the distinction you fail to make.
Lee
Lee
ReplyDeleteOff the subject.Do you believe that most Novus Ordo folk who come from India have their minds infected with hindu beliefs.
God bless
Anon. 7:34,
DeleteI would say they have their minds infected with modernism if they be in the Novus Ordo.
Lee
Great writing Lee.
ReplyDeleteOur view is that most Indian Novus Ordo folk do have hindu ideas and have no problem going to hindu demonic temples.
Anon. 3:53,
DeleteIt wouldn't surprise me if people in India have Hindu ideas who are Novus Ordo. We are living in the zeitgeist where people believe in all kinds of stupid things.
Lee
Hello Introibo and/or Lee:
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think about the Palmar de Troya line, and Thuc's involvement in it?
Thanks. Anonymous
Anon. 11:08,
DeleteThey are a sect created by a false visionary (blind man leading the blind literally) Clemente Dominguez A.K.A "Pope" Gregory XVII.
Archbishop Thuc renounced them after the unfortunate consecrations. We all can potentially make huge mistakes, but I believe Archbishop Thuc redeemed himself in 1980 by being the only bishop brave enough to declare himself sedevacantist based on sound theological principles.
The very fact that Msgr. Guard des Laurier (personal confessor of Pope Pius XII and one of the top theologians who helped get the Assumption of Mary defined in 1950) was consecrated by Thuc in 1981 is enough for me to believe that Thuc was not only sane, but understood at a deep level the effects of what had happened to the whole Church. What he did was necessary for Holy Orders to be preserved.
Lee
@anon11:08
DeleteI am in agreement with Lee. I will add this:
While the ordinations and consecrations initially carried out by Abp. Thuc on Palmar de Troya must be considered valid, the lineage that comes from them is doubtful at best. 1. They did not have the minimal seminary/theological training necessary to enjoy the presumption of validity, and 2. "Pope" Gergory (Clemente Domiguez) "translated" the Latin into Spanish. He was an illiterate. That and no approbation make the form highly dubious at best.
Conclusion: all Palmar de Troya clergy who come from those Abp. Thuc consecrated must be considered invalid, at least in the practical order.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
DeletePalmar de Troya would be a good article one day for one us or perhaps another guest if you haven't already written about it at. Lot's of people ask about them, it seems.
Lee
Lee,
DeleteSee my post:
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2021/01/when-strangers-come-knocking-part-17.html?m=1
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Our Lady of Victory Fairfield Ohio have pre-1951 wall calendars for sale.
ReplyDeleteContact their blogspot for info.
God bless
-Andrew
@Lee,
ReplyDeleteWhere & who did Bishop Hennebrary (RIP) in Miami receive Episcopal Consecration from before ordaining consecrating Bishop Greene?
God bless,
-Andrew
Andrew,
DeleteBp. Henneberry did not consecrate Bp. Greene. Bp. Slupski did. However, Bp. Henneberry's Orders would have be questionably valid because he was consecrated by Raymond Terrasson. Terrasson was consecrated by Clemente Dominguez Gomez A.K.A "Pope" Gregory XVII. It is said that Archbishop Thuc conditionally consecrated Terrasson but nothing is on record.
Lee
Who Ordained Bp.Greene?
Delete-Andrew
Andrew,
DeleteBp. Greene was ordained a priest by Bp. Hesson and consecrated bishop by Bp. Slupski. Bp. Hesson (died ?) was consecrated by Bp. Oliver Oravec (died 2014). Bp. McKenna consecrated Bp. Oravec in 1988.
Lee
Yes Bishop Hesson died a few yrs ago.
DeleteBp.Greene's lineage is unquestionably valid. All the Bishops involved were also Ordained before Vatican 2.
God bless -Andrew
Lee,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your post. I especially appreciate the notes from St. Thomas Aquinas – very appropriate in the article and for me. Not that I had temptation over these types of apps, but in general with our world full of breaking news and endless atrocities. We must question how we spend our time and energy. As usual, I enjoy and benefit from the comment section, as well as the bonus story about Randonautica and that fellow in the woods.
Introibo, I checked out your linked Pokemon article – “Everything we do trains or conditions us for better or for worse”. A good reminder, thank you.
God bless you both,
-Seeking Truth
Seeking Truth,
DeleteI appreciate your comments and am glad that whatever I write may benefit you. Introibo does a great job as well as the other guest posters and I'm glad he allows me to help out.
Lee
Seeking Truth,
DeleteGlad you found my article of interest!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Lee,
DeleteI couldn't continue this blog in its current form without you! Shout out thank you to Joanna From Poland for helping me out!
God Bless,
---Introibo
The McHugh and Callan point (b) hit the nail on the head for this topic:
ReplyDelete"one directs one's life through fortuitous and impertinent happenings in the belief that they have the power to influence one's fortunes favorably or adversely...while in observing chance events one chiefly intends the direction of one's conduct. "
I stumbled across some interviews of Joshua Lengfelder about Randonautica while doing related apologetic research last year. It involves Jungian "Synchronicity" [as opposed to trust in Divine Providence] and Guy Debord's Situationism/Dérive concepts [Marxist]. They combine these with a spiritual sense, making it a tech app that is ultimately an intentional participation in a form of the occult called "synchromysticism." This occult practice has it's own whole subculture in modern digital media. It's nasty stuff, as you said, like a Ouija board. An apparant attempt at tech divination via mass participation.
See:
"Randonautica: Situationist App Can Alter Reality, with CEO Joshua Lengfelder"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C6aXta3m1M
and
"Randonautica and Mind Matter Interaction feat. Joshua Lengfelder & Dean Radin"
https://podtail.com/en/podcast/let-s-get-haunted/episode-41-randonautica-and-mind-matter-interactio/
Bruno,
DeleteThank you for the additional information. Comments like yours are valuable and much appreciated. Keep being a good apologist because we need more in this non-Catholic world of ours.
Lee
Bruno,
DeleteYou showed the wisdom of Lee's post regarding Randonautica! Keep up the good work. I'm so glad I have Lee as a guest poster!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo and/or Lee:
ReplyDelete1. What would you say about an elderly priest that Cardinal Spellman ordained, who is in the NO? Should a traditionalist go to Confession to him? If so, should that be done only in an emergency, or can it be done regularly? Should the person insist that absolution be done in Latin, or is English okay?
2. Do you think that it's okay to visit St. Patrick's Cathedral as a tourist, and maybe to visit Cardinal Spellman's tomb?
3. Do you think that the funeral Mass of Robert F. Kennedy, 1968 at St. Patrick's Cathedral, on YouTube and done by Archbishop Cooke, was valid? It was transitional between the 1962 and full NO.
Thank you. Anonymous
I've went to Confession and old Priests Ordained before 1968 absolved me.
DeleteOne of them Ordained in 1957 used the Latin absolution form that i brought with me. They're always a Priest no one can remove their Holy Orders .
It's an indelible mark on the Soul.
We're in an emergency of course that old Valid Priest can hear your Confession.
God bless -Andrew
@anon6:07
Delete1. A Traditionalist can go only in an emergency. He is an apostate. However, if you will be a long time without a Traditionalist priest, that (in my opinion) would justify going to him at least once a year as you would be in a type of "danger of death" with no hope of getting a Traditionalist priest where you are--I am investigating this question in more depth. As long as the priest says "I absolve you from your sins" the English form would suffice.
2. Yes.
3. No. In 1967, the "All English Canon" with the invalidating form was introduced.
God Bless,
---Introibo
We're in an emergency now.
DeleteWe have no idea when we'll pass away.
If he has no traditional Priest or Bishop near him,valid Priests ordained before Aug 1968 will suffice.
God bless -Andrew
Never heard of Randonautica until this post. And it launched on my birthday! Don't worry, I have no interest in playing around with it.
ReplyDeletecairsahr__stjoseph
DeleteYou're a smart man!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo:
ReplyDeleteDo you think that John F. Kennedy's funeral Mass(the 1962?), in 1963 on YouTube and done by Cardinal Cushing of Boston, was valid?
Thank you. Anonymous