In St. Jude 1:3, we read, "Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." [Emphasis mine]. Contending For The Faith is a series of posts dedicated to apologetics (i.e., the intellectual defense of the truth of the Traditional Catholic Faith) to be published the first Monday of each month. This is the next installment.
Sadly, in this time of Great Apostasy, the faith is under attack like never before, and many Traditionalists don't know their faith well enough to defend it. Remember the words of our first pope, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1Peter 3:16). There are five (5) categories of attacks that will be dealt with in these posts. Attacks against:
- The existence and attributes of God
- The truth of the One True Church established by Christ for the salvation of all
- The truth of a particular dogma or doctrine of the Church
- The truth of Catholic moral teaching
- The truth of the sedevacantist position as the only Catholic solution to what has happened since Vatican II
In addition, controversial topics touching on the Faith will sometimes be featured, so that the problem and possible solutions may be better understood. If anyone had suggestions for topics that would fall into any of these categories, you may post them in the comments. I cannot guarantee a post on each one, but each will be carefully considered.
Eco-Paganism
There is much discussion going on around Jorge Bergoglio's ("Pope" Francis) statement that all religions lead to God. Vatican II sect apologist and the R&R movement are straining credulity (to say the least) to explain away his statement, or somehow "prove" that it does not constitute heresy. This is not the first time Bergoglio has promoted the so-called "equality of religions." One of his biggest (and ongoing) attempts was in 2015, with the publication of Laudato Si ("LS") the "ecological encyclical on "Care for Our Common Home"--the Earth. Bergoglio states in para. #3, "In this Encyclical, I would like to enter into dialogue with all people about our common home." Religion is irrelevant. That's because: " Outside the Catholic Church, other Churches and Christian communities – and other religions as well – have expressed deep concern and offered valuable reflections on issues which all of us find disturbing." (para. #7).
With all the problems facing us, including (but not limited to) abortion, the occult explosion, sodomite/transgender perversion, the rise of militant atheism, and the threat of ever more fanatical Islamism, Bergoglio is concerned about Styrofoam cups and "climate change." Bergoglio is not concerned with the salvation of souls because, like Freemasons, he's an adherent of Naturalism, "the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted." A serious evil Naturalism engenders is Indifferentism. This is the heretical idea that one religion is as good as another (positive indifference) or the idea that one religion is just as bad as another (negative indifference). He adopts the pagan idea of deifying humans and nature with false and exaggerated claims of "human dignity" and "human rights."
Beginning in 2012, the so-called Discastery for Promoting Integral Human Development (not spiritual development, more Naturalism) has begun a plan of implementing LS.
(See laudatosiactionplatform.org). The purpose of my post is to expose the Naturalistic and pagan ideas in the "eco-menism" movement which has the Vatican II sect as one of its leaders. While a modest goal of protecting the environment is laudable, what is going on under the appellation of "ecological concern" is nothing less than a new belief system firmly grounded in paganism.
"Deep Ecology"
Deep ecology is the name given to an environmental movement and philosophy which regards human life as just one of many equal components of a global ecosystem. It is, by its own terms, anti-supernatural, and sees humans as "just another animal." Most deep ecologists are pantheists, and many explicitly embrace Hinduism, Buddhism or Confucianism. Deep ecologists are spiritual and religious in their attitudes toward environmental issues. Some actively seek to revive Druidism, witchcraft, Native American religions and―among feminists―goddess worship.
Drawing from both the Eastern religions and Darwinian science, they place man’s identity with the rest of nature in his ascent through the evolutionary chain of being. Thus, “one itinerant environmentalist conducts ‘workshops’ in which participants are urged to remember their alleged evolutionary history by rolling on the ground and imagining what their lives were like as dead leaves, slugs, and lichens.”
(See Robert James Bidinotto, “Environmentalism: Freedom’s Foe for the ’90s,” The Freeman vol. 40, no. 11; Yes, this was as far back as the 1990s and has gotten worse).
Today, deep ecologists collaborate more closely with politically active environmentalists, who tend to share the same basic worldview and communication strategy. A significant minority of deep ecologists reject any inclination to view nature as divine or indwelt by goddesses, animistic spirits, or other spiritual entities. They are thoroughly naturalistic, and rationalize their belief that plants, animals, and natural objects have intrinsic value by embracing a scientific, evolutionary starting point—although some admit this view is “often grounded in mystical or intuitive knowledge that is beyond the reach of the scientific method.” (See Bron Taylor, Dark Green Religion: Nature and Spirituality and the Planetary Future, [2010], pg. 14). In this quasi-scientific scenario, Homo sapiens’ evolutionary heritage—our alleged common ancestry with all life—has resulted in an interdependent, kinship relationship in which humans are merely one of countless other living things inhabiting Earth.
Hence, there are two views within deep ecology, one pagan and occultic, the other secular humanist. Both views reject and despise Christianity. They share the belief that Homo sapiens are only one ordinary organism inhabiting the Earth’s biosphere. All plants and animals, as well as inanimate objects, have intrinsic value equal to, if not greater than, human beings. In short, deep ecology endorses "ecocentrism." It puts the welfare of nature above human welfare.
"Eco-Theology"
Carl Sagan (d. 1996), the famous astronomer, was also a pantheist; as his son Dorian said, "My father believed in the God of Spinoza and Einstein, God not behind nature but as nature, equivalent to it." It was Sagan who helped to popularize nature worship. In his book, Cosmos (1980, pg. 243), he quipped, "If we must worship a power greater than ourselves, does it not make sense to revere the Sun and stars?" No, it doesn't. We worship not some impersonal "power" but the personal, omnipotent, omniscient, omni-benevolent Creator of the stars and all things.
In his book, Earth in the Balance, former Vice-President Al Gore suggests that we return to the worship of nature and upholds various nature worshiping sects and Native American religions as a model:
"This pan-religious perspective may prove especially important where our global civilization’s responsibility for the earth is concerned…Native American religions, for instance, offer a rich tapestry of ideas about our relationship to the earth…All things are connected like the blood that unites us all." (Al Gore, Earth in the Balance – Ecology and the Human Spirit, 1992, p. 258-259).Gore goes on to declare that we need to find a new nature-based religion and quotes New Age, censured theologian, Teilhard de Chardin, in support of the “new faith” of the future:
"This point was made by the Catholic (sic) theologian, Teilhard de Chardin, when he said, ‘The fate of mankind, as well as of religion, depends upon the emergence of a new faith in the future.’ Armed with such a faith, we might find it possible to re-sanctify the earth." (Ibid, p. 263). Teilhard was born in south central France on May 1, 1881 and was censured by the Church in 1936. He died in 1955, still censured, but not excommunicated. His secret disciples, who praised him openly after Vatican II, included Karol Wojtyla (JPII) and Joseph Ratzinger (Benedict XVI). His writings were considered so dangerous, even Roncalli (John XXIII) refused to allow any of his works to be used in the seminaries as late as 1962. Teilhard bragged about high ranking Modernists who were using their influence to prevent his excommunication, even though he could neither teach or write, and all his works were declared to contain errors.
Here are some interesting ideas of Teilhard that his proponents, like Al Gore, would like us to ignore:
"Rome does not want me to return to my professorship. They do not seem to have taken a dislike to me, far from it; but they want to save Religion…..I would take enormous delight in breaking all ties" (the reference here is to breaking all ties to traditional Catholic belief, and the Church as a whole – from letter written Feb. 14 1927)
"I do not think God should be worshiped" – from a conference given in 1947
"What increasingly dominates my interest is the effort to establish within myself, and to diffuse around me, a new religion (let’s call it an improved Christianity if you like) whose personal God is no longer the great neolithic landowner of times gone by, but the Soul of the world……"(Letter to Leontine Zanta, Jan 26, 1936; Emphasis mine)
"Christ saves. But must we not hasten to add that Christ, too, is saved by evolution?" (Le Christique, 1955;Emphasis mine)
"Our century is probably more religious than any other. How could it fail to be, with such problems to be solved? The only trouble is that it has not yet found a God it can adore." (The Phenomenon of Man; Emphasis mine).
"No humane hopes for an organized society must cause us to forget that the human stratum may not be homogeneous. If it were not, it would be necessary to find for the Chinese, as for the Negroes, their special function, which may not (by biological impossibility) be that of the whites." (April 6, 1927 letter--pure racism).
Carl Sagan was a major proponent of Teilhardian ideas. Before his death in 1996, he quoted one religious leader quite favorably, "St." John Paul the Great Apostate, a Teilhardian disciple. He quotes Wojtyla: "Science can purify religion from error and superstition; religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes. Each can draw the other into a wider world, a world in which both can flourish….Such bridging ministries must be nurtured and encouraged. Nowhere is this more clear than in the current environmental crisis…. It has the potential to unify and renew religious life. " (See Parade, March 1, 1992; Emphasis in original).
False ecological cataclysms have been manufactured to scare people into submitting to more government regulation in their lives, and worst of all, to adopt the false and pagan idea of nature worship and pantheism to unite the planet. There have been past "chicken-little-the sky-is-falling" impeding ecological disasters predicted before:
- By 1989, "contamination of the planet" will destroy the Earth https://www.nytimes.com/1969/08/10/archives/foe-of-pollution-sees-lack-of-time-asserts-environmental-ills.html
- There will be an ice age by the year 2000, as reported in the Boston Globe https://www.newspapers.com/image/435402308/
- In the 1970s, "Ozone Depletion" would wreak havoc by the 1990s, now hardly discussed, See https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/meteorology/annual_data.html
Now, climate change is the latest "Eco-pocalypse" with a purpose; to bring all people into a worship of nature and a One World Religion. The stage was set for Bergoglio to enter next.
"Eco-menism"
At the end of his encyclical Laudato Si ("On Care of Our Common Home") 2015, Bergoglio sets forth two prayers:
At the conclusion of this lengthy reflection which has been both joyful and troubling, I propose that we offer two prayers. The first we can share with all who believe in a God who is the all-powerful Creator, while in the other we Christians ask for inspiration to take up the commitment to creation set before us by the Gospel of Jesus. (Emphasis mine). This shows his desire to have all religions, all beliefs, all opinions unite and mobilize against the "ecological threat" and engage in ecumenical prayer.
In para. #87, Bergoglio omits the following words from St. Francis of Assisi's Canticle of the Sun:
Be praised, my Lord, through those who forgive for love of You;
through those who endure sickness and trial.
Happy those who endure in peace,
for by You, Most High, they will be crowned.
Be praised, my Lord, through our sister Bodily Death,
from whose embrace no living person can escape.
Woe to those who die in mortal sin!
Happy those she finds doing Your most holy will.
The second death can do no harm to them.
Why were those words omitted? They teach the following truths Bergoglio wanted to leave out:
- the necessity of final perseverance in grace to arrive at a happy eternity
- death is inevitable and humans were NOT created for this world
- it warns of mortal sin and souls that die in the state of mortal sin will endure the "second death" of Hell
Bergoglio has done away with the First Commandment, the worship due to the true God. It started with Paul VI's heretical ecclesiology, embodied in Vatican II. It continued with "Saint" John Paul the Great Apostate and his ecumenical abomination at Assisi, visiting Lutheran churches, praying in synagogues, and kissing the Koran. It progressed with "retired pope" Ratzinger's statement that the papacy (which he never held anyway) was the greatest hindrance to "ecumenical progress." It goes even further with Francis wanting all false sects to unite as one ecumenical denomination behind a one-world police state enforcing global ecological sanctions. Remember: Saving the environment, not your soul, is what really matters.
Laudato Si also tells us "our common home" is the Earth. Catholicism, on the other hand, teaches that our true home is Heaven, and while we must be good stewards of this planet, we must strive to get to humankind's ultimate purpose--the Beatific Vision. The only way to do this is by being good members of the One True Church, and making as many converts as possible so they can hopefully join us there. Not so, saith "Pope" Francis. In paragraph #175, the false pope also tells us: The twenty-first century, while maintaining systems of governance inherited from the past, is witnessing a weakening of the power of nation states, chiefly because the economic and financial sectors, being transnational, tends to prevail over the political. Given this situation, it is essential to devise stronger and more efficiently organized international institutions, with functionaries who are appointed fairly by agreement among national governments, and empowered to impose sanctions. In other words, a One World Environmental "Police Force" putting us another step closer to a One World Government, with a One World Religion dedicated to recycling cans and praying to "Mother Earth."
The New Religious Holy Day/Holiday: Earth Day
Pagans love Bergoglio's deep ecology, and claim "he got it right." As one modern pagan wrote:
Throughout the encyclical, Pope Francis accurately and powerfully describes our origins in the Earth, our dependence on the Earth, and our desecration of the Earth. More importantly, he describes how our harmful actions flow from a “throwaway culture” that mistakenly seeks meaning in things, and how the negative results are borne predominantly by the poor.
If you think Laudato Si’ is only about climate change, you need to read it for yourself. It discusses the problems the poor have with access to clean water, the loss of biodiversity, the decline in the quality of human life and the breakdown of society, global inequality, and the weak responses to these problems from governments and individuals.
What does any of this have to do with saving your soul, which is the whole purpose of Catholicism?
He continues:
It is one thing to describe a problem so immense. It is quite another to propose a solution. Pope Francis does not propose an agenda of specific actions. Instead, as a spiritual leader he proposes a spiritual solution.
Christian spirituality proposes an alternative understanding of the quality of life, and encourages a prophetic and contemplative lifestyle, one capable of deep enjoyment free of the obsession with consumption. We need to take up an ancient lesson, found in different religious traditions [emphasis mine] and also in the Bible. It is the conviction that “less is more”.
"All religions lead to God"--remember?
As a Pagan, I accept the challenge to help create and promote a Pagan and polytheist spirituality that will be at least as effective in building a society that is respectful, compassionate, and sustainable. As a start – but only as a start – I recommend reading and signing the Pagan Community Statement on the Environment...Thank you, Pope Francis.
(For the entire article, See patheos.com/blogs/johnbeckett/2015/06/the-pope-gets-it-a-pagan-look-at-laudato-si.html).
Time magazine, had an article in 2023 advocating for Earth Day (April 22nd) a religious holiday. It was written by Paul Greenberg and Carl Safina, who describe themselves as a "nominal Jew" and a "recovering Catholic," respectively. Here's what they propose:
So, what would an earth-reverent belief system look like with Earth Day at its center?
To begin with, let’s take a look at what established religions get right and where we might take a cue. Perhaps the first step might be, um, unearthing the nature-centered origins of our existing religious holidays. Most of us know in the back of our minds that Christmas and Hanukkah fall around the time of the winter solstice; that Easter and Passover are celebrated in tandem with the arrival of spring; that Sukkot and Diwali mark harvest and summer’s last warmth, and Eid follows the path of the moon. These holidays have origins in gratitude. Gratitude for the sun returning. Gratitude for the harvest that could avert the starvation winter might bring. Thanks for when it did avert it. We could conceivably reframe these holidays as days of thanks for what the natural world gives and reminders that our responsibility for what remains is an ongoing covenant...We still don’t really know how nothing became something and formed a universe in which random pulses of energy and matter coalesced into beings writing op eds. In short, there’s plenty of mystery to go around. (Nothing became something; and Christians are derided for believing in "magic"---Emphasis mine)
In short, we must make nature central to our belief system with Earth Day or any number of earth-focused ceremonial days serving as regular reminders of what we owe our home planet.
(See time.com/6273684/earth-day-religious-holiday/).
Can this eco-mania of deep ecology bring together secularists and religious as the start of a One World Religion?
Conclusion
As I have written before, the deep ecology of Bergoglio and his sect are being used by the forces of evil to further advance ecumenism and jettison Christ from society, replacing Him and His One True Church with a pagan One World Religion dedicated to "saving the planet," while its members lose their souls. A healthy concern for the environment is one thing, and making it the focus of our existence (pantheism or secularism) is another. Beware the Laudato Si implementation plan coming to a V2 sect parish near you, and shared around the neighborhood.
Don't let Bergoglio and his false Vatican II sect lead you down that garden path; for those who worship "Mother Earth" would do well to remember the words of Christ, "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do." (St. John 8:44).
The environmental movement is a sign of the Great Apostasy. The ecologists have rejected God and are focusing on the Earth, which they want to save even though it will one day be destroyed (St. Peter tells us that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief). And the apostate V2 sect is promoting this false pagan religion by introducing the cult of Pachamama to the Vatican. Our Lady of La Salette warned that Rome would lose its faith, and that's what we're seeing.
ReplyDeleteSimon,
DeleteWe are indeed seeing the rejection of God by the deep ecology movement. One word of caution, my friend. The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office has prohibited certain discussions about La Salette:
"THE SUPREME SACRED CONGREGATION OF THE HOLY OFFICE DECREE CONCERNING THE COMMONLY CALLED "SECRET OF LA SALETTE."
It has come to the attention of this Supreme Congregation that certain ones are not lacking, even from among the ecclesiastic assemblage who, responses and decisions of this Holy Congregation itself having been disregarded, do proceed to discuss and examine through books, small works and articles edited in periodicals, whether signed or without a name, concerning the so-called Secret of La Salette, its diverse forms and its relevance to present and future times; and, this not only without permission of the Ordinaries, but, also against their ban. So that these abuses which oppose true piety and greatly wound ecclesiastical authority might be curbed, the same Sacred Congregation orders all the faithful of any region not to discuss or investigate under any pretext, neither through books, or little works or articles, whether signed or unsigned, or in any other way of any kind, about the mentioned subject. Whoever, indeed, violates this precept of the Holy Office, if they are priests, are deprived of all dignity and suspended by the local ordinary from hearing sacramental confessions and from offering Mass: and, if they are lay people, they are not permitted to the sacraments until they repent. Moreover, let people be subject to the sanctions given both by Pope Leo XIII through the Constitution of the offices and responsibilities against those who publish books dealing with religious things without legitimate permission of superiors and by Urban VIII through the decree "Sanctissimus Dominus Noster" given on 13th March 1625 against those who publish asserted revelations without the permission of ordinaries. However, this decree does not forbid devotion towards the Blessed Virgin under the title of Reconciliatrix commonly of La Salette.
Given at Rome on 21st December, 1915.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Aloisius Castellano, S. R. and U. I. Notary."
Thank you for reminding me to be careful with private revelations, even those approved by the Church. One thing is certain: Rome is no longer Catholic, despite outward appearances.
DeleteSimon,
Delete"Rome is no longer Catholic, despite outward appearances."
No one can dispute THAT!
God Bless,
---Introibo
It's now 66 years since the death of Pope Pius XII and the beginning of the vacancy of the Apostolic See and the eclipse of the Church. May God and Our Lady watch over the small remnant of true Catholic faithful during this period of great darkness !
DeleteIntroibo:
ReplyDeleteBishop Tissier de Mallerais of the SSPX has died today, October 8, 2024.
@anon3:17
DeleteYes, and may His Excellency rest in peace. I have prayed for the repose of his soul and will continue to do so; I ask all my readers to do the same. He was not sedevacantist, but he was instrumental in spreading opposition to the Vatican II sect, and ordained many priests who can give the True Mass and sacraments to the faithful.
May his passing remind all of us to ever stand ready for Judgement. His Excellency was in good health when a trip and fall accident ended his life.
God Bless,
---Introibo
May he rest in peace. We don't know when it will be the day and the hour of our departure.
DeleteIntroibo
DeleteDo you think that within the next few months there will be new bishops in the SSPX.
What are your thoughts on the direction of the SSPX when bp Fellay was in charge . I do think it is sad that bp Williamson was told to go and now bp Tisser de Mallerais has died .
God bless
@anon5:23
DeleteI think the SSPX will have to make some serious decisions that might irrevocably change the course of their organization. Bp. Williamson has left them 15 years ago. As of this writing only Bp. Fellay (age 66) and Bp. de Galaretta (age 67) remain.
They need to think about consecrating a new Bishop in his 30s or 40s. Bp. Fellay brought them closer to the Vatican II sect. He was a disaster. Maybe the new bishop will see clearly and move away; perhaps sedevacantism eventually? R&R apologists are now becoming silent and giving Bergoglio a pass on criticism (think Eric Sammons). Soon, I believe, there will only be Vatican II sect and sedevacantist Traditionalists. Let's hope and pray the SSPX goes the right way!
God Bless,
---Introibo
The SSPX should reconsider the words of Pope St. Pius X concerning modernists, whom he considered to be the Church's worst enemies, and ask itself whether it makes sense to consider such men to be legitimate Catholic authorities and negotiate with those outside the Church.
DeleteIntroibo
ReplyDeleteGarrigou Lagrange (possibly my favourite theologian) died recognising Roncalli and Montini in his first year. What are we to think of this? At least he didn’t die after Conciliabulum but still. I mean his disciple was Guerard des lauriers! Do you think he would be a sedevacantist if he lived to the end of the robber Conciliabulum?
Also on another note it would seem that novus ordites calling us protestants for rejecting Vatican II is like oriental schismatics attacking us for rejecting Ephesus II!
God bless
@Theologian Garrigou-Lagrange may have well contemplated sedevacantism, but it was all so new and he wouldn't be one to rush to conclusions. Maybe he actually was sede, but being old and not knowing what to do, he was thinking it through.
DeleteAnother couple of years, and we would have probably seen a different man, I believe.
Yes, the charge of Protestantism is ridiculous.
God Bless,
---Introibo
If the truth was a priority for those in power, the real, actual problems could be solved quickly.
ReplyDeleteI’ve noticed that the extreme environmentalist sort is the sort who regard any human activity which changes the earth from its natural state as some kind of sin against the earth, as if mankind is the only creature who doesn’t have the right to make such changes. It’s like an implied dogma.
cairsahr__stjoseph
DeleteI've noticed that same trait in the "deep ecology" nuts. They seem to hold all life, even bacteria, in higher regard than human life! Therefore, making any change to "Mother Earth" is "mortal sin" against what you correctly called their "implied dogma."
God Bless,
---Introibo
Bergoglio has invented the notion of "ecological sin". Now, followers of the Novus Ordo will have to confess every time they cut down a tree or sprayed insecticide on their lawn. How crazy ! Meanwhile, the world is awash with real sins like abortion, sodomy, blasphemy, heresy and idolatry, but Mr. Bergoglio doesn't seem to mind...
Deletehttps://novusordowatch.org/2019/11/francis-ecological-sins-catechism/
Simon,
DeleteThank you for the link!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteDo you think that it would be okay for a sedecacantist who does not attend SSPX to watch video of the funeral Mass of Bishop Tissier de Mallerais?
@anon5:14
DeleteAbsolutely. I have no problem with the so-called "Una Cum" when no sede chapel is available.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo:
DeleteDo you have a problem with the so-called "Una Cum" when there is a sede chapel available?
@anon10:14
DeleteAs a practical matter, yes, I have a problem with it. As a doctrinal/moral matter, I do not. If a Traditionalist has an Una Cum R&R Mass and a sede Mass both equally available to him, in my opinion, there is nothing morally or doctrinally prohibiting attendance at the R&R because of the Mass itself. For someone not strong in the faith they may hear thing about "resisting" "Pope" Francis which is not Catholic teaching re: the papacy. They also may have unwarranted doubts about the sede position.
Even for one strong in the faith, the sede chapel deserves the support, both morally and financially.
Therefore, the sede chapel should be attended in this case.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo:
DeleteWhy would the sede chapel deserve more support if it is morally acceptable to go to either one?
What if someone strong in faith hears about resisting Francis and then changes their mind about the sede position or what if the R&R priest isn't a valid priest or what if the R&R priest says something else that is harmful either from the pulpit or in private do to their type of training? Wouldn't you agree that this is more likely to happen and wouldn't it be better for the sake of keeping one's faith to stay away and go to a sede priest when they can?
How long do undeclared heretics have to repent? And should they be tolerated for years to come?
@anon6:16
DeleteYou ask:
"Why would the sede chapel deserve more support if it is morally acceptable to go to either one?"
Response: It is because they have the proper position.
As to the rest:
* I'm strong in the faith and hearing the R&R position only makes me realize all the more how it cannot be the case.
I don't believe someone who knows their faith well could be swayed by R&R. Is there a remote possibility? Sure. There was a sede priest I knew who made theologically incorrect statements about apparitions. Could someone not knowing their faith well then make more of an apparition then they should? Yes. Remote possibilities may happen anywhere. Remote possibilities like this shouldn't be a deciding factor.
The only R&R Mass to which I was referring is one where it is certain the priest is validly ordained.
You ask: "Wouldn't you agree that this is more likely to happen and wouldn't it be better for the sake of keeping one's faith to stay away and go to a sede priest when they can?"
Response: Yes, and I never said otherwise.
You ask:
"How long do undeclared heretics have to repent? And should they be tolerated for years to come?"
Response: They have until the moment of death to repent, just as does anyone else. Should they be tolerated for years to come? To the best of my knowledge and belief, there is no "time limit" set by the Church for toleration to end.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Do you think Introibo that bp Pivarunas will consecrate a assistant bishop or consecrate one of their affiliated priests in Europe one day soon? He too is 66 years old.
ReplyDelete@anon4:44
DeleteI hope so. Bp. Pivarunas must be forward thinking as to the apostolic succession of the CMRI and consecrate a priest of CMRI in his 30s or 40s. It is my wish and hope that an episcopal consecration takes place soon. Will such definitely happen in the near future? Only God and the good bishop know that answer for certain.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo, thank you for your post. Teilhard’s comments are amazing – “I do not think God should be worshipped”!
ReplyDeleteSo many are frequently on the lookout for a new crusade, or are trying to satisfy a thirst that can never be satisfied by things of the world. If only they had the true Faith, “so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles.” (Ephesians)
God Bless,
-Seeking Truth
P.S.: My wife and I enjoyed reading your JPII article “Judging a book by its cover” recently.
Seeking Truth,
DeleteGlad you found this post helpful and the one on the subject of Wojtyla! Your quote from Ephesians is spot on accurate as to why those outside the Church have that "unquenchable thirst of which you spoke.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Intriobo, is the article by CatholicEsquire.org correct in its assertion that Vatican II teaches that bishops receive jurisdiction directly from Christ when they receive episcopal consecration? https://catholicesquire.org/vatican-ii-errors-collegiality/
ReplyDelete@anon9:42
DeleteThank you for the link. It was my first time visiting this blog, and at first perusal, seems good!
Unfortunately, I must disagree with his conclusion. Vatican II did teach the "Episcopal Theory" of bishops deriving their pastoral power immediately from God, but can only be exercised by permission of the pope. Yet, this is neither part of the error of collegiality nor error in any sense.
While the "Papal Theory" (the bishops receive their pastoral power through the pope) is considered more probable and was the majority opinion of the theologians (having the backing of Pope Pius XII), it was NOT definitively decided. Thus, had V2 been a legitimate Ecumenical Council, they could have settled the matter in the way they did.
As theologian Ott teaches: "The former opinion [Papal Theory], which was already approved by Pope Pius VI, received a new authoritative confirmation by the Encyclical "Mystici Corporis," BUT THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS WITHOUT FINAL DECISION. (See "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma," [1955], pg. 291; Emphasis mine).
Vatican II taught much error and heresy. This was not one such case.
God Bless,
---Introibo
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Thanks for your response Introibo. I think this is an important issue to examine in detail as if Bishops do derive jurisdiction directly from God then it changes our view of the crisis and possibilities for this considerably.
DeleteHi Introibo,
DeleteSomeone has noted elsewhere,
"It appears to me that that Pius XII also taught the same doctrine in a pretty definitive way in "Ad Sinarum Gnetem" Oct. 7, 1954; I think after this Encyclical one could say that this is a defined teaching of the Church:
11. In fact, even then, as you well know, it will be entirely necessary for your Christian community, if it wishes to be part of the society divinely founded by our Redeemer, to be completely subject to the Supreme Pontiff, Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth, and be strictly united with him in regard to religious faith and morals. With these words - and it is well to note them - is embraced the whole life and work of the Church, and also its constitution, its government, its discipline. All of these things depend certainly on the will of Jesus Christ, Founder of the Church.
12. By virtue of God's Will, the faithful are divided into two classes: the clergy and the laity. By virtue of the same Will is established the twofold sacred hierarchy, namely, of orders and jurisdiction. Besides - as has also been divinely established - the power of orders (through which the ecclesiastical hierarchy is composed of Bishops, priests, and ministers) comes from receiving the Sacrament of Holy Orders. But the power of jurisdiction, which is conferred upon the Supreme Pontiff directly by divine rights, flows to the Bishops by the same right, but only through the Successor of St. Peter, to whom not only the simple faithful, but even all the Bishops must be constantly subject, and to whom they must be bound by obedience and with the bond of unity."
Did you have any thoughts to add?
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteA priest at a non-Feeneyite chapel has a book which is published by Loreto Publications, which is a Feeneyite publisher.
If the book itself is not Feeneyite, should that just be left alone?
@anon1:50
DeleteLoreto Publications puts out some excellent spiritual classics that are 100% Catholic. Its downfall is, as you stated, they are Feeneyite. Personally, I will not buy books from them because it will be used to spread error. If someone gave me a Catholic book published by them, I would keep and use it.
If the book is a Catholic classic, you can certainly keep and read it. It does not become "tainted" with error because some of their other books are Feeneyite.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anon1:50
DeleteAnother question you may have is, "Can I buy it from the Traditionalist (non-Feeneyite) priest?" I answer yes, as he probably got it for a discount and the profit goes to his chapel. I would, however, speak to Father and let him know about Loreto Publications. He may not know they are Feeneyite. He may know and believe he is morally justified in buying their non-Feeneyite books. If the later, I would appreciate it if you could let me know his particular reasoning for doing it!
---Introibo
Introibo:
DeleteThe book was not for sale. The priest was using it. I don't recall the title.
Dear Introibo,
ReplyDeleteI am writing to you from Germany.
Thank you for all your articles. I love reading them each week.
There is one subject, I have a question with and I hope you can help me with.
In your article „Animals are people too“ (from July 26, 2021) you write about how (according to Theologian Sagues) the „world will be renewed“ and that there is a possibility we might see our pets again in this renewed world.
In your article above you write that „our true home is heaven“.
Some time ago I talked to a traditional catholic (= sedevacantist) German Theologian and author about this subject and he told me that the Church always taught that the elect will be in Heaven, not in a „renewed world“.
So my question to you (if you can help): Could it be possible, that both answers are correct, meaning that the elect will be in Heaven, but it would also be possible for the elect to visit/enjoy the „renewed world“/new Earth?
Could you please give me your opinion on this subject (or if any of your readers would have an answer, I would appreciate that too).
Thank you very much for your time and may God bless you and your family, and all catholic readers of this blog!
Frank
Frank,
DeleteGood to hear from one of my German readers!
First, unless this priest is extremely old, he is not a theologian. To be considered a real theologian by the Church, a priest must earn either a Doctorate in Sacred Theology or a Doctorate in Canon Law. To have received such prior to Vatican II would make the priest at least 92 years old. (having obtained the degree in 1962, and being a median age of 30).
Nevertheless, the priest is correct that Heaven is a real place for the saved. Yet, as the theologians clearly teach, "The present world will be restored on the Last Day." (See theologian Ott, "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma," pg. 495). St. Thomas Aquinas taught of the renewed/restored Earth.
When I wrote, "our true home is Heaven," it is such, and not this FALLEN WORLD.
You are correct. The blessed of Heaven can go from Heaven to the Restored Earth--ever having the Beatific Vision with them.
I hope this helped!
God bless you, my friend, you are in my prayers.
---Introibo
Dear Introibo,
DeleteThank you very much for your fast reply and yes, you have answered my question.
Now I know that we not only have HEAVEN to look forward to, but also the RENEWED WORLD (God truly is Great!).
By the way, I saw that „Novus Ordo Watch“ wrote on „X“ on January 24, 2019 about a book („Wo ist die wahre Kirche heute?“) by the German author I had mentioned: „German sedevacantist author Johannes Rothkranz has published a refutation of John Salza and Robert Siscoe’s ‚True or False Pope?‘“.
It was in the 1990s (without having Internet access) through books by this author such as: „Die Konzilserklärung über die Religionsfreiheit. Ein Dokument des II. Vatikanums und seine Folgen: Die Konzilserklärung über die Religionsfreiheit“ (1995) and „Vorsicht! Wölfe im Schafspelz“ (1996) that I first learned the truth about the Novus-Ordo-Sect (that it isn’t the Catholic Church).
Again, thank you for your reply and also the informative articles on your blog (I also always look forward to Mr. Dominic Caggeso’s very interesting articles) and wishing you and your family all the best!
Frank