To My Readers: This week's post, by John Gregory, reminds us of what a gift God has given us in the sacrament of Holy Matrimony, and the most serious duties and responsibilities a married couple have to each other and to God. This post is indispensable reading for those who feel called to the married state. It also serves as a beautiful and solemn reminder of what God expects for those of us who are married.
Feel free to comment as usual. If you have a specific comment or question for me, I will respond as always, but it may take me a bit longer to do so this week.
God bless you all, my dear readers---Introibo
Holy Matrimony
By John Gregory
Dogmatic Subject: The Sacrament of Matrimony.—There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee (St. John 2: 1).
Moral Subject: The Duties of Married People.—Let love be without dissimulation, hating that which is evil, cleaving to that which is good. . . . Being of one mind one toward another (Romans 12: 9, 16).—There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage (St. John 2: 1, 2)
Marriage is a sacrament in which the couple gives their entire selves to the other and both accept that offering. Our Lady and Saint Joseph did this perfectly. Saint Joseph was not “just” the foster father of Jesus. Jesus was conceived and born into that sacred bond without the instrumentality of another man. The Holy Family is reflective of the Holy Trinity. Our Lord entered that family, partly at least, due to the love his parents had for God and for each other. This is a love unmatched by all creation. Love begets love and the fruitfulness of this love was God Himself. The eternal love God the Father has for God the Son, and God the Son has for God the Father, is the Holy Ghost which proceeds from them both.
These three, father, mother, and child, are rightly spoken of as a human trinity; the child is a human holy spirit, the living love of those from whom it proceeds. A realization of this makes plain the danger involved in planning a temporary exclusion of the birth of children at the very beginning of marriage, even though this be done by legitimate means; it is like keeping an infant from talking because we enjoy its gurgling. (A Companion to the Summa, Volume IV, The Way of Life, Corresponding to the Summa Theologiae IIIA, by Walter Farrell, O.P., S.T.D., S.T.M., 1942)
And now to the bastion of all Orthodoxy, the Catechism of Trent:
Marriage Considered as a Sacrament
It will now be necessary to explain that Matrimony is far superior in its sacramental aspect and aims at an incomparably higher end. For as marriage, as a natural union, was instituted from the beginning to propagate the human race; so was the sacramental dignity subsequently conferred upon it in order that a people might be begotten and brought up for the service and worship of the true God and of Christ our Savior.
Thus when Christ our Lord wished to give a sign of the intimate union that exists between Him and His Church and of His immense love for us, He chose especially the sacred union of man and wife. That this sign was a most appropriate one will readily appear from the fact that of all human relations there is none that binds so closely as the marriage-tie, and from the fact that husband and wife are bound to one another by the bonds of the greatest affection and love. Hence it is that Holy Writ so frequently represents to us the divine union of Christ and the Church under the figure of marriage.
MARRIAGE IS A SACRAMENT
That Matrimony is a Sacrament the Church, following the authority of the Apostle, has always held to be certain and incontestable. In his Epistle to the Ephesians he writes: Men should love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever hated his own flesh, but nourisheth it and cherisheth it, as also Christ doth the church; for ware are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall adhere to his wife, and they shall be two in one flesh. This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the church. (Ephesians 5: 28, 32) Now his expression, this is a great sacrament, undoubtedly refers to Matrimony, and must be taken to mean that the union of man and wife, which has God for its Author, is a Sacrament, that is, a sacred sign of that most holy union that binds Christ our Lord to His Church.
That this is the true and proper meaning of the Apostle’s words is shown by the ancient holy Fathers who have interpreted them, and by the explanation furnished by the Council of Trent. It is indubitable, therefore, that the Apostle compares the husband to Christ, and the wife to the Church; that the husband is head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church (Ephesians 5: 23); and that for this very reason the husband should love his wife and the wife love and respect her husband. For Christ loved His Church, and gave Himself for Her (Ephesians 5: 25); while as the same Apostle teaches, the Church is subject to Christ (Ephesians 5: 24).
That grace is also signified and conferred by this Sacrament, which are two properties that constitute the principal characteristics of each Sacrament, is declared by the Council as follows: By his passion Christ, the Author and Perfecter of the venerable Sacraments, merited for us the grace that perfects the natural love (of husband and wife), confirms their indissoluble union, and sanctifies them. It should, therefore, be shown that by the grace of this Sacrament husband and wife are joined in the bonds of mutual love, cherish affection one towards the other, avoid illicit attachments and passions, and so keep their marriage honorable in all things, . . . and their bed undefiled (Hebrews 13: 4).
One of the things absolutely necessary for marriage to be successful is for the husband to rule justly and lovingly and for the wife to be cheerfully submissive. A head-strong woman or selfish man can be good for some things perhaps, but not marriage. Disobedience is at the root of so many avoidable problems. It turns a solid foundation into a mushy quagmire, destabilizing the children and ultimately wrecking society. True love wants, and will do, what is best for the other. It is true that one should not get married when lacking the maturity to enter into such a sacrament in a godly and fruitful way, but as we age, we get set in our ways and are more likely to justify disobedience or a tyranny of selfishness.
The Duties of Married People
The more easily to preserve the holy state (of marriage) from dissensions, the duties of husband and wife as inculcated by Saint Paul and by the Prince of the Apostles must be explained.
DUTIES OF A HUSBAND
It is the duty of the husband to treat his wife generously and honorably. It should not be forgotten that Eve was called by Adam his companion. The woman, he says, whom thou gavest me as a companion. (Genesis 3: 12) Hence it was, according to the opinion of some of the holy Fathers, that she was formed not from the feet but from the side of man; as, on the other hand, she was not formed from his head, in order to give her to understand that it was not hers to command but to obey her husband.
The husband should also be constantly occupied in some honest pursuit with a view to provide necessaries for the support of his family and to avoid idleness, the root of almost every vice.
He is also to keep all his family in order, to correct their morals, and see that they faithfully discharge their duties.
DUTIES OF A WIFE
On the other hand, the duties of a wife are thus summed up by the Prince of the Apostles: Let wives be subject to their husbands: that if any believe not the word, they may be won without the word by the conversation of the wives, considering your chaste conversation with fear. Let not their adorning be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel: but the hidden man of the heart in the incorruptibility of a quiet and meek spirit, which is rich in the sight of God. For after this manner heretofore the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord. (1 Peter 3: 1 ff.)
To train their children in the practice of virtue and to pay particular attention to their domestic concerns should also be especial objects of their attention. The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave home without her husband’s consent.
Again, and in this the conjugal union chiefly consists, let wives never forget that next to God they are to love their husbands, to esteem them above all others, yielding to them in all things not inconsistent with Christian piety, a willing and ready obedience.
Duties of Husband and Wife
The husband has authority over the wife in all things that pertain to their domestic relations and family discipline: “Let women be subject to their husbands as to the Lord; because the husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the Head of the Church. Therefore, as the Church is subject to Christ, so also let wives be to their husbands in all things” (Ephesians 5: 22 - 24).
Husband and wife are bound to show mutual love: “Husbands love your wives as Christ also loved the Church and delivered Himself for it . . . so also ought men to love their wives as their own bodies” (Ephesians 5: 25; Titus 2: 5). They are bound to cohabitation (1 Corinthians 7: 10), to mutual maintenance—though by nature and law the husband is primarily bound to maintain the wife—to render conjugal dues when seriously asked for—even by implication—if there be no valid excuse for continence: “Defraud not one another, except perhaps by consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to prayer: and return together again, lest Satan tempt you for your incontinency” (1 Corinthians 7: 5).
By English law the husband must maintain his wife according to his state and condition, unless they are separated through her fault. A wife is not obliged by law to maintain her husband except that, if she has separate estate and her husband becomes chargeable to a Poor Law Authority, she can be obliged to maintain him in an institution.
The savings which a wife, living with her husband or temporarily apart, may make out of money supplied to her by her husband for household purposes or maintenance, belong to the husband unless there is evidence that he intended such to be her property. Since the year 1883 the husband acquires no rights over his wife’s estate except what she gives him. If the husband refuses or neglects to supply his wife with necessaries, the law assumes that she has his authority to pledge his credit for them, otherwise she cannot pledge her husband’s credit. A husband can refuse to pledge his credit for unnecessary luxuries or extravagant dress.
The husband is bound to administer his property wisely so as to be able to support his wife and children, to have care for his wife’s Christian life, to reprove her prudently and temperately.
The wife is bound to obey and pay respect to her husband’s authority, to see to the orderliness and comfort of home life, and to exercise reasonable economy in outlay.
Though children are primarily subject to the father, the mother has an important and irreplaceable share in their upbringing. The mother normally settles the religious and moral outlook of her children. She will fail in her duty, if she teaches her children to disregard their father’s reasonable commands by sympathizing with them against their father. It is thus that she undermines all parental authority, her own included.
Serious sin is committed by husband or wife by serious injury in word or action, by grave negligence in respect of temporal goods that are necessary for maintenance, by hatred, by putting unreasonable obstacles in the way of the observance of the Commandments of God and of the Church.
As a matter of counsel, parents may well be exhorted to encourage their children to become acquainted with the lives of their patron Saints, the ceremonies and practices of the Church, the history of Catholic activity, the sublimity of a vocation to the priesthood or to religious life and the work of Catholic Missions. The good Catholic parent will consecrate his house and family to the Sacred Heart, and foster a devotion which establishes concord and happiness wherever it is practiced. (Moral and Pastoral Theology, 1958)
Conception prevention is the antithesis of marriage as its primary purpose is procreation. Contraception redefined the primary purpose of marriage according to the whims of society from being for the procreation of children, to being for pleasure without responsibility. “Marriage”, thus understood, has become a sort of formal and “acceptable” form of loyal fornication with one individual. Some Catholics find it “necessary” to space their children as Montini recommends in his encyclical Humanae Vitae. This brings me to a point on which countless sermons could be preached.
That is on what people consider “necessities” these days and why these necessities are not necessary. Such as countless visits to the salon and saloons. How much money is spent on the gods, alcohol and vanity, which are considered to be more important than immortal souls? Things which are not a necessity whatsoever, such as cable and expensive vacations, brand name clothes which are thrown out in less than a year, countless shoes, expensive cars with tons of extras that you can afford not to buy. How many frivolous meaningless things we consider to be necessities, more important than the existence of our potential children, of your own children, who could spend all eternity with God, if only you would allow them to exist? I say to selfish souls, “If your parents were as selfish as you, perhaps they would have considered the saloons and salons to be more important than your existence.”
A COMPANION TO THE SUMMA:
The goods of matrimony: Relative to its act: Progeny
It is to be noticed that children come under the head of compensation, not of burdens. The child is the proximate end of the marriage. There are, of course, other ends, such as mutual love, protection against temptation, and mutual help; but this is the immediate purpose. At this time, it is the woman who looks forward most to a child as the final expression of love, an expression to be greeted much more joyously than the first distinct words of a baby after months of inarticulate gurgling. For the child is a perfect expression of love; here is a union that is an embodiment of the mother and father; a surrender, for here is a master of them both; a consecration, for here is one that lifts them both to heroic heights of sacrifice.
It is as though what had been so intangibly real before was to become incarnate, incarnate love. These three, father, mother and child, are rightly spoken of as a human trinity; the child is a human holy spirit, the living love of those from whom it proceeds. A realization of this makes plain the danger involved in planning a temporary exclusion of the birth of children at the very beginning of marriage, even though this be done by legitimate means; it is like keeping an infant from talking because we enjoy its gurgling. Baby talk is a precious thing, but to insist on its preservation indefinitely is an injustice to the child; so also is the insistence that our love be robbed of its mature perfection.
Let this love remain baby love and it becomes as helpless as an abandoned infant. Limit its expression to husband and wife, and its chance for growth, fullness is definitely cut down; its acts of love, of sacrifice, of consecration, and of surrender are automatically limited, thus cutting off the normal source of strength for love, while the couple’s love is left open to the ruthless attacks of time, of hard reality, of pettiness, and all the elements of division inseparable from human communion. This couple has fallen badly behind in an armament race for the defense of love; there is much more possibility that their love can be bluffed from its legitimate possessions by the dictators of sense appetite. This love, which has been kept deliberately in an infantile state, is not merely a backward child; it is a perpetual infant, dribbling and gurgling after forty years in a high chair.
Of course love suffers from being kept perpetually in an infant’s walking machine; it is never able to take its own full, free stride. But it suffers nothing like the damage done to it by birth prevention, by the perversion of love. For this not only limits and cripples love, tying it in a narrow infantile sphere, it destroys love’s foundation of justice by a consecration to injustice. It fixes the eyes of both parties on themselves, sets them against each other in a perpetual duel of self-protection; whereas love, to exist at all, must be a consecration to another. This sort of thing is an offense to physical nature, particularly to the physical nature of woman, and it meets with a deep, irreconcilable protest, in spite of the woman herself, a protest that eventually expresses itself in physical revulsion and positive hate.
I believe most of us see that the world is not right. A mere surficial, uninformed, glance at it can tell us this. The question we must ask ourselves is: Why? This answer is quite simple: Sin. As the years progress less and less of the population will know what it was like to grow up in the 50’s (seeing the stark difference between how most dressed and acted then as compared to today). Their earliest memories will be of slovenly and immodestly dressed, tattooed, body pierced people with their mask covered face in the phone, while driving to the shopping mall to get the latest gadget, after getting their hair changed a different color the fourth time this month.
But even these people may be awake to the fact that double standards are not cool. Allowing people to burn down cities and kill the elderly, while jailing people for running their business, is not the bright and beautiful thing to do, any more than letting criminals out of jail so they may be replaced by the innocent. Yet, in case you are not awake [awake being the opposite of being “woke”], this is what has been happening. Endless pages can be filled with the injustices in the world, and it is getting worse and worse. There is no line in the sand anywhere, except when it prevents us from stopping the evil, or doing the right thing.
Why is society so messed up?” The answer lies in the backbone of society. The family. A man and a woman, the only combination that can engage in the marital act, with the result from said act, not too few times, being children. Yeah, this is news these days, but I digress. The world is filled with people who form society. The world or society is bad, because people are bad i.e., they do bad things frequently. Why are people bad? Because they grew up without either a mother or father home, and very few, if any, siblings. They were not taught objective and intrinsic moral truths. They were not taught the Catholic Faith. Instead, they are/were raised by our communistic propaganda brainwashing machines, known as day care, and the public school system. They come home to adore their god in the holy tabernacle in the center of the living room, known as the tele, with visions of perversion, violence and more propaganda dancing in their minds before it is off to bedy-by-bumpty-boo land.
God’s way is the right way. We must do what He wants, in the way He wants. Just ask Adam and Eve. How hard was it not to eat from the one tree in paradise they were told not to eat from?
How hard is it to abstain from the marriage act unless you are married? How hard is it when you are married to have children as God gives them to you? These are not the questions asked by those who love God more than themselves. We are to ask, what is God’s will, and then do it. Doing this makes things so much better, and ultimately easier, for individuals, families and the world at large, both in this life, and after death.
How do we know what God’s will is? What is wrong with limiting the family if we stay married, and the mom stays at home to raise her children, and teaches them to know, love, and serve God in this life, so as to be happy with Him forever in the next? We know God’s will; it is the natural and the divine positive law infallibly explicated to us through the Church He (God) founded on the rock of Saint Peter. Any intellectually honest individual who studies authentic history knows that Christ founded one Church, and he knows when and where He founded it, and what Church that is. All the proof of this fact in the world won’t suffice for those of bad will, but those of good will can read the book of Acts for some proof.
The Church has consistently taught from Peter to Pius XII, and even Montini, back when the anti-popes were, at times, making an effort to appear Catholic — because the people hadn’t become as thoroughly de-Catholicized as we are — that the deliberate prevention of conception is a grave evil, (that means you will go to Hell if you die guilty of this sin).
People think the Church just invented this teaching to be mean. But why would the Church, which depends on financial support to a certain degree, willfully alienate her members and potential converts? Why didn’t she cave in like the rest of the “Christian” churches? Because she was divinely commissioned by God to guard, and infallibly explain, the deposit of Faith, to the entire world, until the end of time, that’s why. She could not abandon that divine teaching, even if she wanted to, and remain the true Church, the Mystical Body of Christ.
Why is this teaching true then? It is hard to raise children, and it can be difficult for some to supply the basic necessities to a large number of them. God created things pertaining to life, natural and supernatural, with certain purposes and functions. In His graciousness he has made that which is necessary to be enjoyable. Consider food. It is absolutely necessary that we eat in order to survive. Eating is enjoyable. But what do we call the eating of food and then throwing it up to avoid gaining weight? Bulimia, it is an eating disorder. Notice that it is a disorder. It is an abuse. It is not proper. It is not something conducive to health but rather works against it.
Now consider the procreative marriage act. It is absolutely necessary for the existence and preservation of the of the human species. The procreative marriage act is enjoyable. But what do we call a couple who engage in the marriage act while thwarting its purposes? Mutual masturbaters. This is not conducive to the preservation of the species. It objectifies the human person. It is misusing a great gift of God for your own selfish ends. It is the taking of the sacred and making it profane. It is mocking God and spitting in His face. It deliberately prevents an immortal soul from coming into the world which is a very evil and selfish act. It mocks the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and the couple involved. Does that make sense? All those of good will just said yes. Those who love themselves more than God said no.
Before we end, might we take a glance at A TOUR OF THE SUMMA:
MATRIMONY AS A SACRAMENT
1. A sacrament is a sensible sign, instituted by Christ, to signify and confer grace. Matrimony meets the requirements of this definition. Hence, it is truly a sacrament.
2. Matrimony is instituted for the begetting of children according to God’s providence and law. It was established from the beginning, before the fall of man, as a holy institution of nature. It was raised to supernatural rank by our Lord when he made it a sacrament.
3. Like every sacrament, matrimony confers grace upon those who receive it worthily. It also confers the special sacramental grace which helps the spouses to be faithful in the performing of all their duties.
4. The actual use of marital action is not an integral element in the sacrament of matrimony.
The claim is made that it is better to have two children with college degrees than several with none. While it is true that one of the things we can take with us to heaven is knowledge, what is also true is that we must first exist before the possibility of enjoying the Beatific Vision can happen. Depriving several of existence in order for two to grow more in knowledge is to eliminate the best (existence of immortal souls) for the sake of a good (increased knowledge and better chance of attaining material success).
The claim is made that two well educated children contribute to the betterment of society more than several souls deprived of a full education. The truth is that one must not do evil so that good (perceived or real) may come. The thwarting of the existence of souls is intrinsically evil and cannot be done for any reason. Society is composed of people whose existence is unique and unrepeatable, and whose value in the eyes of their Maker, equals that of every single drop of His Blood, which He spilled for all who come into existence, and the primary good, which is existence, contributes to the increase and betterment of God’s family which is the composite of society. There are also secondary goods that result in the betterment of society when the existence of human life is not purposely thwarted, such as more children to support one another and their parents in old age (pensions, social security stability) and the lessening of the necessity for the importation of peoples to fulfill roles that cannot be fulfilled by those whose existence has been prevented.
The claim is made that it is more expedient to supply two children with the best things in life than to deprive several children many of their wants. The fact is expedience relates to the promotion of self-interest rather than the common good. Salvation does not come from doing that which is expedient but from that which is right. It was not expedient for Christ to die on the cross but most beneficial to those whom He saved. It does not follow that two immortal souls existing with many material goods, which rust and moth consume, is preferable to the point of preventing other souls from existence within the family of God in the marital bond. An “expedience” that leads to mortal sin and eternal damnation is not expedient at all.
He knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother’s wife, spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother’s name. And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing. (Genesis 38: 9 – 10).
One immortal soul is worth infinitely more than any temporal good or convenience others would obtain in this life had that soul’s existence been prevented.
Conclusion
Let us conceive the Holy Trinity in the womb of our souls through a supernatural love of God and neighbor with a total self-giving to God in all we think, say and do, and let us unreservedly accept the will of God into the bridal chamber of our hearts by keeping the commandments and precepts of the Church so we may be birthed into the Triumphant family of God forever!
Introibo
ReplyDeleteim not american. should i use the baltimore catechism anyway
@anon5:09
DeleteThere's no reason you can't. For adults, I recommend "The Catechism of the Council of Trent."
God Bless,
---Introibo
Ok, also I asked you this on another post but
DeleteHow can I prove that the four marks are biblical to a sola scripture type Protestant who rejects them and the nicene creed as pagan interpolations into Christianity. it would have to be unequivocal or close
God bless
@anon11:12
DeleteThere is no "fast and easy" way to answer your query.
It would take more than one post to adequately answer.
What I would suggest is purchasing theologian Berry's "The Church of Christ" [1955] and read Article III of that manual. It gives reasons to believe in the Four Marks and why the Catholic Church is alone the Church of Christ.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Ok thank you
DeleteAlso would it be fair to say that you can prove Catholicism by the four marks and sedevacantism by the three attributes
God bless
@anon9:42
DeleteThe Four Marks can prove the Vatican II sect is NOT the Roman Catholic Church.
God Bless,
---Introibo
My parents are illegitimately married. Is it possible for a bastard such as myself to receive a dispensation for holy orders in times of sedevacante where one cannot appeal to rome?
ReplyDelete@anon12:35
DeleteI don't know all the details of your situation. Call and speak with a Traditionalist priest of the SSPV or CMRI. I'm sure when they are given all the details they can give you a proper answer.
God Bless,
---Introibo
hey ik ur busy but id appreciate if ud find that article on leos tome re bod i remember u shared it once
ReplyDeletegilmore1846
DeleteI will try; my time is increasingly in demand, but I'll see if I can locate it. Was it a whole post here, or just mentioned?
God Bless,
---Introibo
gilmore1846,
DeleteThe letter reads:
“Let him heed what the blessed apostle Peter preaches, that sanctification by the Spirit is effected by the sprinkling of Christ’s blood (1 Pet. 1:2); and let him not skip over the same apostle’s words, knowing that you have been redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your fathers, not with corruptible gold and silver but by the precious blood of Jesus Christ, as of a lamb without stain or spot (1 Pet. 1:18). Nor should he withstand the testimony of blessed John the apostle: and the blood of Jesus, the Son of God, purifies us from every sin (1 Jn. 1:7); and again, This is the victory which conquers the world, our faith. Who is there who conquers the world save one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? It is He, Jesus Christ, who has come through water and blood, not in water only, but in water and blood. And because the Spirit is truth, it is the Spirit who testifies. For there are three who give testimony – Spirit and water and blood. And the three are one. (1 Jn. 5:4-8) In other words, the Spirit of sanctification and the Blood of redemption and the water of Baptism, these three are one and remain indivisible. None of them is separable from its link with the others. The reason is that it is by this faith that the Catholic Church lives and grows, by believing that neither the humanity is without true divinity nor the divinity without the true humanity.” (Pope St. Leo the Great, dogmatic letter to Flavian, Council of Chalcedon, 451)
In the letter, Pope St. Leo was supporting St. Flavian against the heresiarch Eutyches who held to a version of the Monophysite heresy.
The great Pope was saying those three things give testimony to the true Faith and it is true that you can’t separate any of them for it is through these “that the Catholic Church lives and grows.” Baptism of desire and blood does not say otherwise. The three are inseparable.
We don’t isolate one truth as if it’s the only truth needed. Every dogma is inseparable with the others on what’s necessary to believe to be Catholic.
BOD or BOB doesn’t have anything to do with the Church Militant living and growing as it journeys through time. It has nothing to do with monophysite heresy and the implication thereof. Rather, BOD or BOB is the explanation for the extraordinary situations on how one might enter the Church Suffering (purgatory) or Church Triumphant (Heaven) at death.
How is it that so many popes, saints, and doctors of the Church taught Baptism of Desire? Was it because they were unaware of this teaching by Pope St. Leo and thought the three were separable, which means they all were heretics? What about Rome when it promulgated the Roman Catechism or when it issued the 1917 Code of Law, which both teach Baptism of Desire?
The implication that the 1917 Code of Law and the Roman Catechism are heretical with its support of Baptism of Desire making the Catholic Church heretical. Feeneyites use the same R&R argument that they’re not infallible, therefore, they can be heretical. This is clearly FALSE.
Once more, I thank Steve Speray, who was the first Traditionalist to debunk this Feeneyite nonsense from Fred and Bobby.
God Bless,
---Introibo
can i use mr. ripperger's examination of conscience. I know he is just a layman but it is really detailed.
ReplyDelete@anon2:56
DeleteI don't see why not. I would use it alongside an approved pre-Vatican II examination to make sure he did not omit or add anything that would seem to contradict what was done pre-V2.
God Bless,
---Introibo
are you able to respond to these men of papa stronsay who claim that they can refute sedevacantism/sedeprivationism by saying -
ReplyDelete"Contradicting the swamp of intellectual arguments
that can never be resolved by mere men,
God Himself judged this matter authoritatively
when He caused Pope John XXIII
~ dressed indeed as a true Pope
and not as a mere bishop or cardinal ~
to appear to and to heal
a dying nun
in an astounding, physical,
scientifically inexplicable,
miracle
for all sedevacantists and sedeprivationists
to simply, humbly accept."
is this to be shown as a false miracle?
God bless.
@3:32
DeleteYou must be careful when invoking the miraculous. In the End Times there will be false "signs and wonders" to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
Put another way, if someone claimed "God caused Martin Luther to appear to a dying nun and heal her in radiant splendor of a saint, therefore his doctrine is true and he was unjustly condemned"---what would you say?
Miracles, like apparitions, (approved or not) must never be the guiding source of our Faith.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I like how those who made that quote are so smug in their error. "See ?" they say. "Now you have to believe V2 and all of its errors".
ReplyDeleteSince they eschew intellectual arguments I might only add that if Our Lord Himself were to tell me that Roncalli was a true Pope, I would not believe it is Our Lord saying it.
Very true,
Deletereminds me of Sister Magdalena of the Cross
(you can read more about her on this blog, basically a demon appeared to her as a beautiful young man in radiant splendor. At 5 and everyone thought it was our Lord until many years later when she had become a nun, and then an abbess who was falling gravely ill and started convulsing and levitating and groaning when poked with holy water as soon as the confessor put on his stole. The beautiful young man she had seen as a child was not Jesus, but a devil named Balban, who turned into a shimmering mist and then into a monster with a toothless mouth, a wide, flat nose, and twisted horns, and then back into a beautiful young man again. This apparition of "Roncalli" is very likely related to this, as Sr Magdalena even healed lame men.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema" - [Galatians 1:8 DRV]
cairsahr_stjoseph and anon@12:37
DeleteGreat observations! Thank you both for commenting.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Why does dailycatholic contain traditio as one of their links?
ReplyDelete@anon11:16
DeleteMy friend Michael Cain, who used to run that fine website is no longer with us to answer. May he rest in peace. I can suppose it was because it has good information about the lunacy of the Vatican II sect, as well as an excellent Mass directory.
He never endorsed "the Fathers" who run it. I know "Fr" Morrison personally. A very intelligent and affable man, I wish he would get an unquestionably valid ordination.
Please pray for the repose of Michael's soul. He was a very good Traditionalist Catholic, and I miss him.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Greetings to John Gregory, Introibo and the blog readers. I have a question not related to the article, although first I want to thank the author for his writing, which I read with great interest. A website called "Catholic-hierarchy" has added the names of a number of bishops consecrated underground in countries such as Slovakia that suffered from dictatorial regimes.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bfogasa.html
https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bspin.html
My question would be whether these bishops were validly consecrated because I do not know the circumstances under which they were consecrated. Thank you.
Young reader from Spain
Young Reader from Spain,
DeleteIt would all depend on the Rite that was used, and the validity of their consecrating bishop. **IF** the Traditional Rite was used by all these "Underground bishops" on each other and they ultimately trace back to a "non-underground bishop" pre-1968, then they would be valid.
Unless that is established beyond doubt, I must consider them invalid.
God Bless, my friend
---Introibo
Thank you very much!
DeleteTopics for when we get a pope - it would be very prudent to call an ecumenical council regarding
ReplyDelete1. Predestination - Thomism, Molinism or somewhere in between
2. Necessity of faith in the trinity and incarnation - is the necessity of means which is of divine ordinance dispensable or indispensable
3. The restoration of religious orders
4. The liturgy - Shall the rubrics of 1958 be used? Those before Pius xii? Or shall new liturgical books be promulgated?
5. Grace - intrinsically efficacious or extrinsically efficacious
6. Modernists - Excommunications and anathemas
7. Explatination of the details of the preceding sedevacante
8. The dogma of indefectibility
9. The social kingship of Christ
10. The catechism
11. The universal ordinary magisterium
12. Whether a pope can fall into heresy, and if yes then whether they lose their office ipso fact by divine law at the moment the heresy is held, at the moment the heresy is made public or notorious or at the moment they are declared deposed
(This is not really applicable to our times since heretics cannot be elected pope, the five opinions are about an already reigning pontiff)
13. The dogmas (at least according to st alphonsus) of baptism of desire and blood
14. That nobody is saved outside the catholic church
15. That Vatican ii was a Conciliabulum and a robber Council
16. That the Catholic Church is the church of Christ
17. That false religions do not have the right to freedom
18. That not only can nobody be saved by false religions but neither can they be saved in false religions
19. Whether the thomistic school is the official theological position of the church in all matters
20. Whether the thomists have been faithful interpreters of St. Thomas
@anon5:20
DeleteIf we ever get another pope, EVERYTHING can be definitively decided. Some things on your list are already decided, and I don't see what would need to be done, to wit:
#6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16,17,18,
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello
ReplyDeleteI have heard from some feeneyites that pope St Siricius denied BOD?
How do we respond to this
@anon6:36
DeleteAnother of my readers reached out to me about this on X and I'm sorry for the delay.
The letter to Himerius from Pope St. Siricus in 385 AD states
"As we maintain that the observance of the holy Paschal time should in no way be relaxed, in the same way we desire that infants who, on account of their age, cannot yet speak, or those who, in any necessity, are in want of the water of holy baptism, be succored with all possible speed, for fear that, if those who leave this world should be deprived of the life of the Kingdom for having been refused the source of salvation which they desired, this may lead to the ruin of our souls. If those threatened with shipwreck, or the attack of enemies, or the uncertainties of a siege, or those put in a hopeless condition due to some bodily sickness, ask for what in their faith is their only help, let them receive at the very moment of their request the reward of regeneration they beg for. Enough of past mistakes! From now on, let all the priests observe the aforesaid rule if they do not want to be separated from the solid apostolic rock on which Christ has built his universal Church.”
doesn’t deny the doctrine of Baptism of Desire or refute through implication that it is impossible to be saved by Baptism of Desire.
Persons in necessity desiring water Baptism who die without it may very well be lost, because Baptism of Desire is not accomplished by merely desiring it.
There’s always the fear that those who die without Baptism, may be lost because perfect contrition, or some other requirement that God wants in the person, may be absent. Baptism of desire is something God does to the person.
Pope Siricius says delaying such infants or men “may lead to the ruin of our souls.” In other words, it would be a sin to delay them.
The second part of the quotation reiterates the first part. Perfect contrition may not be present with their faith, and Baptism is their only help to bring them to salvation since perfect contrition is not required with the sacraments.
Feeneyites who make this argument are hypocrites as well because if you cite e.g. Pope Pius XII in his Allocution (Address) to Midwives where he teaches BOD ("An act of love can suffice for an adult to obtain sanctifying grace and supply for the absence of baptism; for the unborn child or for the newly-born, this way is not open.") they scream "It's NOT INFALLIBLE!!"
Yet the letter of Pope St. Siricus is not ex cathedra either, so why bring it up? (Don't expect logic and consistency from Feeneyites, you'll always be disappointed.
A special thanks to my good friend Mr. Steven Speray, who first among Traditionalists, took apart this objection from them.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteIf somebody has been unjustly denied sacraments, do you think that God will eventually reward that person with sacraments?
@anon9:09
DeleteCould you please clarify exactly what you mean by "denied sacraments" and "rewarded by God with sacraments"?
God Bless,
---Introibo
By denied sacraments I mean if somebody is able to be ready to receive sacraments, but the priest is denying the person because of some prejudice he has against the person. Such as the person doesn't have a lot of money, has physical health issues, or lives in the "wrong" area.
DeleteBy rewarded with sacraments, I mean that the priest will eventually change his mind, or the person will find another suitable priest to give the sacraments.
@anon8:17
DeleteYour response makes me sad to think a Traditionalist priest would do such a horrible thing. God pity his soul. Can God make those things happen (priest repents, another priest comes along, etc)? Certainly. God may reward that person with even more special graces for enduring such, and they can cooperate to receive the greatest grace of all--Final Perseverance.
God Bless,
---Introibo
It would seem that the vision that Pope St Pius X had about his successor is about Pope Pius XII because
ReplyDeletePope Pius XII had the papal name Pius, and one of his many names was Guiseppe
Pope Pius XII died a painful death
Pope Pius XII was The last true Pope.
The part about fleeing rome may mean something more symbolic, like leaving the seat vacant.
@anon9:17
DeleteInteresting speculation. I prefer not to get involved with private revelations.
God Bless,
---Introibo
It would seem that cut ex apostolatus officio is by its very name extraordinary magisterium as
ReplyDelete1. It is on a matter of faith
2. The name means “ By virtue of the Apostolic office “
3. Is given to the entire church
It would be infallible anyway as UOM but it checks all the boxes for EM
@anon9:22
DeleteGood argument for an exercise of the Extraordinary Magisterium. No matter, as you correctly observed, it is already infallible by virtue of the UOM.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Why does CMRI use pohle as their dogmatic textbook fir seminarians of canon law mandates the doctrine of st Thomas to be taught in seminaries and pohle was a Jesuit who attacked the thomistic system on multiple points?
ReplyDelete@anon12:51
DeleteI keep getting questions regarding Thomism and predestination on various posts, ostensibly by the same author (I'm supposing). Let me be clear:
1. Thomism is definitely to be esteemed, but it is not to be taught to the EXCLUSION of other theological schools of though. Pope Leo XIII in his encyclical Aetermi Patris of 1879, wanted a revival of St. Thomas but NEVER condemns other Catholic schools of theology.
From para. #27:
"Now, We think that, apart from the supernatural help of God, nothing is better calculated to heal those minds and to bring them into favor with the Catholic faith than the solid doctrine of the Fathers and the Scholastics, who so clearly and forcibly demonstrate the firm foundations of the faith, its divine origin, its certain truth, the arguments that sustain it, the benefits it has conferred on the human race, and its perfect accord with reason, in a manner to satisfy completely minds open to persuasion, however unwilling and repugnant."
A place of honor, yes, a place to the exclusion of all other systems, no. Please cite the exact Canon of the 1917 Code which mandates St. Thomas to the exclusion of other schools. Theologian Pohle is outstanding in orthodoxy and precision.
2. There are more important things that we need to worry about during the Great Apostasy than Molinism and Thomistic views on predestination.
God Bless,
---Introibo
My citation is canon 1366
DeleteOk i was a bit rash in my way of speaking and presenting it
DeleteI repent
God bless
@anon9:29
DeleteSection 2 of Canon 1366 states, "Professors shall treat studies in rational theology and philosophy and the instruction of students in these disciplines according to the system, teaching, and principles of the Angelic Doctor and hold to them religiously."
According to canonists Abbo and Hannon, "...they do not serve the interests of the students who, neglecting the scholastic method, would have all the teaching of theology conform to the 'positive method' or who limit this teaching to lectures on the successive series of dogmas and heresies, a procedure that belongs rather to the teaching of Church history than of theology." (Sacred Canons [1952], 2:599, footnote citing Pope Pius XI).
The intent of the Canon is to ensure Thomism is taught for the reasons given in the footnote. The Angelic Doctor must be taught Conceded; to the exclusion of all others; Denied.
When Fr. DePauw taught at St. Mary's Major Seminary for the Archdiocese of Baltimore (1955-1962), Thomism was indeed taught, but other schools were never excluded.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Alright, I’m just worrying whether thomism is taught at all, but yes Pohle is a very good theologian and I was being rash
DeleteAlso have any Dominicans supported St Robert Bellarmine’s fifth opinion on a heretical pope?
God bless
@anon10:58
DeleteThat I do not know offhand without doing the research.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteHave you ever been to a Fatima Conference?
@anon9:03
DeleteNo. As I am not someone who looks towards private revelations for answers (even ones approved by the Church), I never had any desire to attend.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Can somebody who has no faith stay out of mortal sin
ReplyDeleteThis is specifically in regard to bishop hay’s dilemma of the baptised Protestant who is invincibly ignorant yet remains in his baptismal innocence after the age of reason.
The answer off bishop hay is that God would never allow such a person to exist as it would be contradicting himself.
But the question Still remains in theory
If one cannot remain out of mortal sin without faith that would mean this question is impossible
Or maybe since the person is baptised they are guilty of apostasy by repudiating their baptismally infused faith
God bless
@anon12:33
DeleteIf the person is invincibly ignorant, they can cooperate with actual graces, eventually leading to justification. I prefer not to dwell on speculative questions with little to no relevance to our situation in the Great Apostasy.
God Bless,
---Introibo
This is extremely relevant. Without faith nobody can please God. This follows that nobody who lacks faith can die without mortal sin. You are either in a state of grace or a state of mortal or original sin. But this dilemma poses a person who is in neither state. Therefore it is impossible, not only practically but theoretically.
Delete@anon1:00
DeleteNo, a Protestant cannot retain his baptismal innocence once he reaches the age of reason. He becomes a material heretic. Being validly baptized, he would have at least implicit faith in the Trinity and Incarnation, and by following his conscience, seeking to do good with God's grace, and having perfect contrition, he could die within the Church.
---Introibo