The Alarming Statistics
Between 2020 and 2021, suicide rates alarmingly increased. According to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, the statistics are startling:
- Suicide is the 11th leading cause of death in the U.S.
- Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death for individuals ages 20 to 34.
- Suicide rates increased 37 percent between 2000 and 2018 and decreased 5 percent between 2018 and 2020. However, rates nearly returned to their peak in 2021.
- Each year, nearly 48,000 Americans die by suicide – that is 132 per day or 1 death ever 11 minutes.
- Suicide is the SECOND leading cause of death for ages 10-24
- Suicide is the SECOND leading cause of death for college-age youth and ages 12-18
- More teenagers and young adults die from suicide than from cancer, heart disease, AIDS, birth defects, stroke, pneumonia, influenza, and chronic lung disease, COMBINED
- Each day in our nation, there are an average of over 5,240 suicide attempts by young people grades 7-12
- mental health conditions
- serious or chronic health conditions, particularly chronic pain
- traumatic brain injuries
- recent suicide attempts or recent discharge from a psychiatric unit
- access to lethal means
- prolonged exposure to stress
- stressful life events, such as a death, relationship break-up, or job loss
- exposure to another person’s suicide
- a history of suicide attempts
- a family history of suicide
- experiencing childhood abuse, neglect, or trauma
- use of alcohol and/or drug abuse
- Involvement with the occult
- Protestant and Modernist theology
- Glamorization of suicide in the media
- Acceptance of assisted suicide for the sick and elderly
1. The Autonomy Argument. Since biological life is not the real, moral issue, then life is not intrinsically valuable or sacred simply because it is human life. The important thing is that one has biographical life and this involves a person's ability to state, formulate, and pursue autonomously chosen interests, desires, and so on. If a person autonomously chooses to end his life or have someone else assist him in ending his life, then such action is morally permissible. One should be free to do as one chooses as long as no harm is done to others.
2. The Mercy Argument. It is cruel and inhumane to refuse the plea of a terminally ill person that his or her life be mercifully ended in order to avoid unnecessary suffering and pain.
3. The Best Interests Argument. If an action promotes the best interests of everyone concerned and violates no one's rights, then that action is morally acceptable. In some cases, active euthanasia promotes the best interests of everyone concerned and violates no one's rights. Therefore, in those cases, active euthanasia is morally acceptable.
4. The Golden Rule Argument. Moral principles ought to be made universal. If I don't want someone to apply a rule to me, I shouldn't apply it to them. Similarly, if I want someone to apply a rule to me, I ought to be willing to apply it to others. Now suppose I were given a choice between two ways to die. First, I could die quietly and without pain, at the age of eighty, from a fatal injection. Or second, I could choose to die at eighty-plus-a-few-days of an affliction so painful that for those few days before death I would be reduced to howling like a dog, with my family standing helplessly by. The former death involves active euthanasia, and if I would choose it, I should be willing to permit others to choose it too.
Replies to the Common Assisted Suicide Arguments:
A) Reply to the Autonomy Argument. First, it begs the question that there is no God and no Natural Law/Divine Law. The same could be said for all five arguments. However, all fail on separate and independent grounds as well. As to this argument, if we only need to protect people with "biographical lives," it would seem, then, that a person who no longer has such a life, who has no point of view, is no longer covered by the duty not to kill. However, if the person has lost the right not to be killed, it would seem that other rights would be lost as well, since the right to life is basic to other rights. In this case, it would be morally permissible to experiment on such a person or kill him brutally. Why? It is because we are no longer dealing with an object which has the relevant rights.
B) Reply to the Mercy Argument. First, there are very few cases where modern medicine cannot alleviate suffering and pain. It is wrong ethical methodology to build an ethical doctrine on a few problem cases. The mercy argument violates this methodological principle by placing too much weight on an argument which only applies to a small number of situations.
Second, though this can be abused, there is a point to suffering. One can grow through it; one can teach others how a wise, virtuous person handles life's adversities including suffering and death. The person can expiate his/her sins and offer the suffering up in union with the suffering of Christ. One can also show that one cares for his or her membership in community with others and that is not right to withdraw from one another in time of need. Further, one can affirm the fact that people have value and purpose beyond happiness, the absence of pain, or the ability to pursue autonomously chosen goals.
Third, life is a gift and we are not the sole, absolute owners of our lives. We are made in the image and likeness of God. He decides matters of life and death, not us.
C) Reply to Both the Best Interests and Golden Rule Argument. Two responses have been offered which apply equally to the Golden Rule argument and the Best Interests argument. First, the arguments beg the question against a sanctity-of-life view in favor of a quality-of-life view. In other words, if life is sacred, or if persons have intrinsic value simply by being human and, thus, are ends in themselves, then active euthanasia inappropriately treats a person as a means to an end (a painless state of death). Not everything a person takes to be in his own best interests is morally acceptable. Similarly, not everything a person would wish to have done to him or her is morally good. Quality-of-life judgments are often subjective and can be morally bad.
Put differently, a person can dehumanize himself--- and actually does so--- in active euthanasia by intentionally killing himself (or if someone else intentionally kills the person). Hence, when one engages in active euthanasia, one abdicates one's privilege and responsibility to live out one's life in community with and for others. This signals a failure of the community to be present to the sick person in a caring way. It also signals a failure of the person himself to die in a morally appropriate way (e.g., to teach others how to suffer and die) and to undergo a manner of dying which does not hinder those left behind from remembering the person in a morally helpful way.
Conclusion
I grieve for Peter and pray for the repose of his soul. I ask all of my readers to please do the same. I wonder if I did enough to try and get him out of his apartment and help him. If anyone you know seems depressed and going through a hard time, please listen to him and let him know you are there to help. Don't be afraid to ask if they have thoughts of suicide. There are hotline numbers to call (now you can call 3 digits here in the U.S. --988). PRAY FOR THE PERSON.
Suicide is a great way for Satan to get a soul in Hell. Never let anyone convince you otherwise. Call on the Blessed Virgin Mary when you feel alone and depressed. God will win in the end, not suffering and evil. However, you must stay close to Him and never despair in His help. "I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your seed." (Deuteronomy 30:19).
I have heard from a channel called ''Mother and Refuge of the end times'' claiming that people who commit suicide don't go to hell, which is false. Last June 5 to 6, Father Augustine Walz of the CMRI visited my house and said mass for us.
ReplyDeleteRyan,
DeleteThat's a heretical and dangerous teaching by that person (do you mean the person "channels" a "spirit guide"?)
I'm glad you have a Traditionalist priest to offer the Most Holy Sacrifice.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry and sad to hear of your friend taking his life.I had a former school friend whom I knew had done the same thing.His mother came home to find him in the house dead.
In my country of New Zealand we have one of the highest youth suicide rates in the developed world.Our youth are lost and have no thought of the next life.They are mixed up with Satanic rock music,drugs and sex.
Thank you very much for writing on this sad subject
God bless you and all readers
TradSedeCath,NZ
You didn't mention hiphop
DeleteTradSedeCath,
DeleteThe world is in terrible shape; thank God we have the Faith.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I sympathize with you in this painful loss. God only knows what difficulties this man was going through that drove him to take his own life. Today's world promotes the culture of death and considers it a great step forward, when in fact it is a consequence of its apostasy. Even the V2 sect no longer condemns evil but approves of it, as in the case of the blessings of sodomite “couples”. These are dark times !
ReplyDeleteSimon,
DeleteThank you. It was painful to lose Peter, and he was another Victim of Vatican II.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Suicide is definitely a horrific sin against the 5th commandment which will send people straight to Hell. The reasons you listed for suicide (Occult, Protestantism, Glamorization, and Euthanasia) are certainly reasons but you failed to make some very important points in this post about who is committing suicide and why. If we look at The West, most of the suicides are being committed by white males. They make up about 30 percent of the population but commit approximately 70 percent of the suicides in America. And we can look at suicides as a whole throughout the world, but this is clearly an epidemic that now exists in The West and we should know why this is happening. Here are a few reasons.
ReplyDeleteDegenerate Culture and Technology: Th nihilistic music, bad movies, attachment to gadgets, hedonism as a religion and way of life, no higher purpose, just a cog in the machine working for a Fortune 500 company in a dead end job, fighting in unjust wars oversees for military industrial complex and Israel, low wages, competing with foreign labor, outsourcing, etc….)
Feminism: No fault divorces mostly filed by entitled modern day women, abortion, the breakdown of the traditional family, men having to work for vindictive, power mad, and unhinged career women as their bosses in every sector of the economy, men and women competing with one another, etc….)
Multiracial and Multicultural Society: White men being told they are evil and born guilty for being born white, affirmative action and DEI hiring, foreign nationals waving the flags of their third world homelands and starting antiwhite race riots in cities that our white forefathers established and built, The Sackler family and the opioid crisis, HB1 visas, No Go Zones, academia, the media, political leaders, incessantly talking about “White Fragility and White Privilege” and they rewrite history and talk about dispossessing whites in their own homelands.
This all certainly has an effect on white suicide rates. Again, many people of many different backgrounds commit suicide. But suicide among western men is an epidemic and needs to be discussed at length or at least mentioned. We should help people who fall in despair no matter their background. Pray for them, give them a rosary and teach them to pray, help them convert. Suicide is a horrible sin that Satan leads many to commit. People will be condemned for these evil deeds but it is also worth mentioning the evil that leads people to commit the evil of suicide. I listed a few more here and a group that is greatly effected by it in America and the western world.
@anon5:55
DeleteThank you for your comment. I agree that the reasons you list are at least indirectly causing suicide by adding stress and pressure to an already stressful world. I would say that "Degenerate Culture and Technology" could definitely be considered a direct contributing factor.
Thank you for the analysis, my friend.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Wow, anon5:55, "Multiracial and Multicultural Society: White men being told they are evil and born guilty for being born white, affirmative action and DEI hiring, foreign nationals waving the flags of their third world homelands and starting antiwhite race riots in cities that our white forefathers established and built" ⚠️ that all sounds nothing related to Catholicism. It just sounds like whining about why Jesus should look more Arab than white.
DeleteIntroibo, I’m so very sorry to learn about your friend Peter’s suicide. Your 2022 post refreshed my memory of this man with his tragic history losing friends on 9/11 and as a victim of Novus Ordo priestly sexual abuse in his youth. It seems he had been isolated in his condo perhaps ruminating about the abuse, plunged into despair. Satan misses no opportunity to exploit severe depression, yet your friend rejected the information you continued to share with him about the one true Faith. It would have been his refuge in those dark hours.
ReplyDeleteMy sister had a good friend who committed suicide many years ago. The deceased friend had a Novus Ordo funeral which consoled my sister who couldn’t fathom the cruelty (in her mind) of traditional church teaching on suicide.
Sadly, in California our evil governor oversees a state that has enacted assisted suicide legislation. Newsom and Justin Trudeau are buddies who share the exact globalist ideology that inspired California to mirror Canada’s assisted suicide law.
Alanna
Alanna, I am Canadian and, indeed, our Liberal politicians like Trudeau and Carney, who claims to be Catholic, are fervent supporters of individual “rights” like abortion, sodomy and assisted suicide. The Conservative Party is weak on these issues, and in the last federal election I voted for the People's Party of Canada. Here in Quebec, it's even worse: it's a paradise for left-wing ideas, after having been Catholic until the disastrous 60s.
DeleteSimon, there are many similarities in the ultra liberal policies. It was just a matter of time for assisted suicide.
DeleteAlanna
Alanna,
DeleteThank you for your condolences. It's interesting that you mention "It seems he had been isolated in his condo perhaps ruminating about the abuse, plunged into despair."
Peter told me that as bad as 9-11 was, nothing hurt him more than what that "priest" did to him in his youth. He would still have nightmares about it. That "priest" ("sorry excuse for a human being" is more appropriate) is still alive at age 82 and being helped by the "bishop."
None of the V2 sect clergy helped Peter.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I really don’t know what to say, Introibo. I do hope that Our Lady interceded for Peter at the moment of his death on account of all of the prayers which had been offered by you and everyone who ever prayed for your friend.
ReplyDeleteIf this is of any comfort to you, Peter has been in my prayer intentions since you asked for them in the post detailing his tragic life story.
A Vatican 2 pervert had destroyed the life of your friend. I pray he did not destroy his soul…
Mother of mercy, have pity on Peter’s soul and on all of the victims of Vatican 2!
Joanna,
DeleteThank you, my friend. We must now all pray for the repose of his soul, as you did.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Brother, I used to intercede for him every day. This makes me very sad. May the accursed sect descend to Hell!!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, being that your friend was a police officer, it is possible that he didn't do it, that it was faked and a murder. Or that he had a psychotic moment and died before he could recover it. This is especially true if he left no note. I know this isn't the best way of consoling you but it is what works for me the best
I wouldn't be surprised by that. Poor police officers...good ones anyway. Many are freemasons. The work they do can also lead to mental issues/distress/despair.
DeletePoni,
DeleteThank you for praying for Peter; continued prayers for the repose of his soul. Indeed, may the accursed Vatican II sect descend to Hell !
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anon5:15
DeleteGood cops here in NYC are constantly under extreme pressure. They have a dearth of officers--no one wants the job. NYC is about 10,000 cops short of the police force it needs. What Peter endured in 9-11 compounded by his sexual abuse by a Vatican II sect "priest" would be enough to drive anyone mad.
God Bless,
---Introibo
May his suffering merit his salvation! ?And our prayers. So sad!
DeleteSorry for your loss! I recall reading your post about him. Will re‐read and pray for all as I do.
ReplyDeleteSadly I know many who have done same, especially in my novus ordo circles. The first I recall from my youth was a younger brother of a friend who went to our novus ordo catholic school. He was maybe 12. The family had no clue why. Many have killed themselves after having the covid vaxx, also a side effect especially among the young. So very sad.
Does anyone know if taking the vaxx (or any vaxx made with murdered babies) is a mortal sin? This outlet says yes. I know they are R&R.
https://catholiccandle.org/2021/01/01/reject-the-covid-vaccines/
@anon1:25
DeleteThank you. I never heard of the vaxx causing suicide; if you have any citation please pass it on so I may read it. I rejected the vaxx and would never take anything made from murdered children. I don't know if there's anything directly on point written by the approved theologians, but it certainly seems mortally sinful to me.
God Bless,
---Introibo
https://protocolocoimbradrcicerogalli.com/2025/04/15/scientific-evidence-that-vaccines-currently-used-worldwide-cause-autism-spectrum-disorder-third-editorial-on-this-website-on-the-cause-of-autism/
DeleteThis doctor and others write/speak on suicide in youth, from general vaxxes not just covid vaxxes. All vaxxes are poison. The Poisoned Needle from the 1950s can be found online. One must read alot of non mainstream information to find the truth.
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteI am very sorry to hear about the tragic loss of your friend “Peter”. I will keep the repose of his soul in my prayers as well as you my friend. Suicides are definitely on the rise more and more. I have dealt with more suicides than I have cared to deal with in the last several years. It just leaves the survivors who are left behind with one giant question of WHY? There are no answers. I always felt sorry for people who committed suicide and I pray that God has mercy on these souls. We don’t know in their last moments what goes through their minds or if they turn to God. We certainly hope they do. Taking one’s life is a very serious offense to God; however, only He can judge the soul of the person and knows the heart. We are only left to wonder.
-TradWarrior
TradWarrior
DeleteThank you, my friend. Yes, we are sadly left to wonder.
God Bless,
---Introibo
You surely know the story of St. John Vianney: a man committed suicide by jumping off a bridge; his wife (not of the parish) was waiting in line for confession with the great saint - they had never spoken - and St. JMV, leaving the confessional for a break, approached the widow directly and said "your husband is saved. He made a perfect act of contrition before hitting the water; he is in purgatory: pray for him".
ReplyDelete@anon2:48
DeleteI do indeed know that beautiful story. Thank you for bringing it up here.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Oh, no! Introibo, I don't post here that often, but is he the one that I periodically would ask about?
ReplyDeleteDave,
DeleteYes. He's the one you'd ask about here.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I am very sorry for your loss. I felt a sort of kinship with that man which is why I would ask about him.
DeleteI'm going to say something unpopular, but completely true, about what sometimes leads to suicides. Unpopular because Traditionalists are afraid to discuss; true, nonetheless, because it happens in the real world....and traditionalists are NOT immune. Again, traditionalists are NOT immune.
ReplyDeleteA lot of people who commit suicide are questioning their sexuality. They may think they are homosexuals, and a lot of this thinking comes from the fact that they were sexually abused by someone of the same sex. Combine that with being very young where without sexual abuse, some question themselves anyway, and now you have someone ---an uncle, a older brother, some other male who abuses you. It compounds what is already a confusing period of life.
It is not unheard of, especially for boys, to go through a period, typically in their young teens, where they wonder if they might not be attracted to other males. Fortunately, the vast majority , probably some 97%, I would guess, come out of it just fine.
Some never really do come out of it, but instead lead a double life, where they marry, have children, but secretly are still attracted to members of the same sex.
Not a traditionalist, but I know of a case where a married man, with 7 children, left his wife and family...for a man.
Rule of thumb: Being a man, married to a woman doesn't make you straight; being single, without a girfriend, doesn't make you gay.
Now you add the cognitive dissonance of being in a very grievous sin but still having attractions; and, for some people, that can be enough to push them over into something so permanent as suicide.
Dave,
DeleteI agree. Confusion about sexuality, if not resolved, can make one despondent. Homosexuality is a mental disorder and a moral disorder--it needs to be treated. Yet, as it has become "normalized," the sick and sinful inclinations are affirmed and lead to disaster for both the individual and society.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Dave, you may not be a traditionalist but you can always find helpful and friendly people here. God Bless.
DeleteI never said I wasn't a Traditionalist.
DeleteMy mistake. Apologies.
DeleteIt must be that you said:
"Not a traditionalist, but I know of a case where a married man, with 7 children, left his wife and family...for a man."
Sorry for your loss Introibo. I posted earlier, the St. JVM story, and hope such gives consolation to those who have lost others in similar circumstances. I believe firmly that Padre Pio is enjoying the beautific vision and note that, even as an old man, he used to pray and offer Mass that his grandparents would die holy deaths, decades after they had gone to judgement. God exists outside of time and what is past tense to us is not to Him. I have friends & family who have died outside the Faith and oft offer my Rosary that they received the graces, at death, to die in God's friendship and I understand this to be a right & proper thing to do. Indeed, I am reminded of a story recounted by... perhaps St. Alphonsus (perhaps another learner saint) of a Jewish man who converted and became a very holy priest and who laboured in many foreign missions. Anyway, he always prayed for the conversion of his obstinately Jewish mother and, when abroad on such a mission, he returned to learn that she had died, displaying no signs of conversion. However, it was related that the B. V. M. interceded at the time of her death and procured the necessary graces: the mother was saved.
ReplyDeleteI have a wholly unrelated question(s) and hope the timing is not inappropriate: how do you personally regard the Litany of the Precious Blood (promulgated under Roncalli)? Obviously you wouldn't recognise its 'public' status, though do you regard it as questionable in itself? It wasn't composed by Roncalli and arguably his Vatican could lay claim to being a 'competent' source of composition.
Similarly, what of Roncalli & Montinis' additions to the Divine Praises? That is, the verses "Blessed be His most Precious Blood / Blessed be the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete"
Thank you in advance.
JR
JR,
DeleteIn my opinion as a simple layman, I find nothing wrong or heretical with the Litany of the Precious Blood. However, since it was not promulgated by a true pope, it cannot be recited PUBLICLY, only privately. To be consistent, I also don't believe the additions to the Divine Praises should be recited publicly.
The 1962 Missal is not a lawfully promulgated form of Mass. Fr. DePauw went back to the exclusive use of the 1958 Missal beginning 1/1/1965. It was the last Missal promulgated by a true pope. I believe as Father did, that whatever was approved and whatever was forbidden on 10/9/1958 (the day Pope Pius XII died) should remain that way.
Some may object, "But you see nothing wrong with attending SSPX Masses as long as the priest is valid and they use the 1962 Missal." True, but Catholics are permitted to approach undeclared heretics for the sacraments when in need.
As to prayers for those in the past, there's nothing heretical about it. It could be seen as God responding to all prayers for graces that person received-not going "back in time" to reverse something that already took place. I have a very different take on Padre Pio than you do. As sedevacantists, we must hold he cannot be a canonized saint as there was no pope to do such. However, unlike e.g., Fr Damien, who I believe would be a canonized saint were there a true pope, I cannot say the same for Padre Pio. One should never base an opinion on the faith because of something a saint did or said, unless he was an approved theologian or canonist. Padre Pio was neither. See my post https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2017/01/was-padre-pio-ecumenist.html. Yet, praying as you do, I do not think it is problematic, but not because of Padre Pio.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you Introibo. I assure you Padre Pio is one of God's holy ones, though, yes, obviously, he can not - and definitely should not - be referred to as such for the reasons you have outlined; I refer to him as 'Saintly Padre Pio'.
DeleteGod bless you and the Virgin protect you.
Introibo.Someone made the comment above about hip hop music.What is wrong with it?
ReplyDeleteI was condemning it for evil elements on it; namely: glorification of gang violence, misogyny, materialism, sometimes the occult, obscenity and sexual degeneracy. The original comment condemned rock music but the really popular thing right now is hip hop, therefore I mentioned it.
DeleteWhat’s wrong with hip-hop?!! Is this a troll? What isn’t wrong with hip hop? The beats are produced to stir up the lower passions and bring man’s darkest impulses to the surface. The lyrics glorify murder, greed, obscenity, gang culture, the objectification of women, revenge, the occult, and utter depravity that is straight from the pits of Hell. The hip hop culture is about being a loud mouth who wears flashy and gawky jewelry, speaking like an illiterate fool (Ebonics). It’s vanity to one of its most disordered ends. Many think hip hop culture is masculine, but it’s effeminate. It’s grown men spewing filth and unable to restrain or control themselves in any way. It’s the 7 deadly sins celebrated in type of culture. Hip hop talks about the inner city struggle and the woes of blacks in America. These problems are almost all self inflicted on this segment of society and Hip Hop culture is a major reason why they are in such dire straight as a demographic. No civic responsibility, graffiti on their buildings, I could fill a book.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that you have forgotten that some people are genuinely ignorant and don't know how evil some types of music really are. Instead you speak to this clearly ignorant anonymous person (probably a teenager) with the condescension of someone who thinks everyone knows what they know. In other words: the tone you chose to impart this information is needlessly aggressive.
DeleteFurthermore, some of the problems of black Americans are not necessarily self inflicted, but have been socially engineered by elites who want them to behave as unhinged as possible.
DeleteThis doesn't mean they have no responsibility when they engage in antisocial behavior, it only means they didn't come exclusively from them.
Spare me the lecture and your false charity. The natural law is written on the hearts of all. If people don’t know that hip hop music is gravely immoral at the very least they are culpably ignorant and most likely just immoral people who choose evil over good. Also if you read what I wrote, I said “ALMOST ALL” of the problems among this demographic are self inflicted. Go back and read the post please before you respond in a sanctimonious way. Some things must be stated plainly and unapologetically without this simulation of being “nice” to everyone all the time. That’s not what Christian charity means. This demographic has demonstrated over and over again that they are predisposed to high time preferences (instant gratification) and a lack of moral responsibility in so many areas. Governments have practiced social engineering among many groups and yet they don’t exhibit the same destructive pattern we see among this demographic.
DeleteWell, sorry for not reading your comment appropriately, I just wanted to point out the social engineering of the government towards these people.
DeleteI believe however that White people have not been socially engineered into violence towards others, but towards themselves, and their behavior is therefore different from African Americans. Whenever a white man is socially engineered into violence towards others, it is in the name of Israel and "Western Democracy".
Thank you for your info on hip hop.I am only 16 years old and have only discovered this site.I am in a Novus Ordo school and are just starting to find out how bad things are.I am not a troll.I am being brought up by my dad.My mom ran off with another man.Please pray for me.Thank you
Delete@anon6:56
DeleteGod bless you! I was 16 when I discovered the One True Church! Be assured of my prayers and I ask all my readers to do the same. Your father sounds like a very good man.
I did a series of posts entitled "Singing For Satan" that covered modern music. They appeared the first Monday of each month from August 2017 to August 2019. Here are three:
Introduction to the series:
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2017/08/singing-for-satan.html
On Beyonce and Jay Z:
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/02/singing-for-satan-part-19.html
On Eminem:
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2017/11/singing-for-satan-part-4.html
Please come back and comment! You are always welcome here my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
You’re welcome. Stay away from Hip-Hop and all modern music. It’s Satanic! Pray the Rosary every day and offer up your sufferings to God in reparation for your sins and those of the whole world. Do not attend The Novus Ordo, it’s Not Catholic and it is a counterfeit Church. I will pray for you. There are many resources out there to help you become a Traditional Catholic.
DeleteSo heartbreaking anon 656! The fact you found this site at your young age and can comprehend some of this...is a huge amazing Grace! God bless you sweet one and keep seeking and learning!
Delete@anon4:31
DeletePoni does not have false charity; it was a teenager seriously seeking knowledge. Poni is very charitable in the truest sense and makes excellent observations. I will not parrot Bergoglio who stated falsely "Who am I to judge"---we should judge. However, in keeping with St. John 7:24, " Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” You have not judged Poni correctly. She is highly intelligent and a true Catholic. Moreover, she writes extremely well for someone whose first language is not English. When responding to other commenters please be kind and judge with right judgement.
Thank you!
God Bless,
---Introibo
The information that I shared was not “needlessly aggressive”. It was assertive and straight to the point. During these End Times we have to call out culpable ignorance and immoral things in this society whether you are 16, 14, or 12. Please go back and read Saint Alphonsus De Liguori’s and Saint John Marie Vianney’s sermons. They are not laced with fluffy tones of “kindness”, they are zealous and they penetrate the mind and soul because souls are at stake! We need more of that.
Delete@anon7:29
DeleteDid you realize the commenter to whom you responded was 16? Fr. DePauw won me over to the truth because he knew when to be strong and when to be reserved. So did the saints. King St. Louis IX (my patron) was as tough as nails. Yet he would not treat a minor the same as an adult.
---Introibo
That’s part of the problem. We are expected to treat 16 year olds like they are toddlers. They have reached the age of reason, there is culpable ignorance in the question at hand and in other situations involving mortal sin. Also, in most civilized societies 16 year old’s are not innocent little boys anymore. They are men. Yes they need guidance and can lack some moral clarity and they need to be counseled in an amicable way but they also need a dose of assertiveness as well.
Delete@anon7:49
DeleteI'm not treating a 16 year old as a toddler. As someone who found the One True Church in 1981 in an age without computers, I was ahead of most. Yet if Fr. DePauw hadn't displayed the kindness he had, I wouldn't be typing these words.
Culpable ignorance? I beg to differ. When I was 16 (to give but one example) homosexuality was seen (correctly) as a sin and disorder. When the pro-sodomites are out in schools and society in full force, and James "Hellboy" Martin blessing sodomite "couples" a 16 year old may very well believe in good faith that "there's nothing wrong with it."
Things have changed immensely in the last 44 years; what would be culpable in 1981 is not necessarily so in 2025.
---Introibo
Actually, many 16 year olds are not men just yet. I don't think we are treating this commentator like a toddler, just as someone who doesn't know what is specifically wrong with hip hop. It is true that people have a conscience but it is not infallible and they can have genuine questions about matters of morals.
DeleteConsidering this individual has not shown animosity towards any of us or our beliefs, I think a little bit of kindness isn't going to hurt any of us. It's a teenager asking questions on a combox, not a malicious troll posting blasphemies just to get a reaction.
Anon 6:56, you are welcome. I also found all this when I was around your age. God Bless you and protect you from all evil.
DeleteWrong. People have a duty to know what is a mortal sin and what isn’t a mortal sin. It’s our only obligation on this earth to know and serve God. The natural law is written on our hearts. It doesn’t matter how much society pushes the moral rot, if you commit certain sins you are culpably ignorant or just plain culpable. You can be forgiven as we all know through Confession and doing Penance but don’t sit there and tell me that Sodomy, Abortion, and murder are sins that people can be invincibly ignorant about depending on the time period. That’s totally ludicrous.
Delete“Things have changed immensely in the last 44 years; what would be culpable in 1981 is not necessarily so in 2025”
DeleteThis is a horrifically wicked statement. This notion that people can commit murder, abortion, sodomy, blasphemy, listen to perverted and wicked filth and be in “good faith”. The people who do these things almost always feel guilt, it becomes imbedded on their consciences and is why they seek distraction and more sin and wicked pleasure and don’t like the silence of solitude. The guilt is always there because it is intrinsically wrong. And those who don’t feel guilt have an enormous amount of wickedness in them, either way they are culpable.
@anon8:27 and @8:22
DeleteWrong. According to theologians McHugh and Callan, "Invincible ignorance, even of what pertains to the natural law, makes an act involuntary, since nothing is willed except what is understood. Hence, no matter how wrong an act is in itself, the agent is not guilty of formal sin...
a conscience which is in invincible error, but seems to him who has it to be not only true but certain, must also be followed when it forbids or commands. Examples: If a child were told and believed that he had an obligation to tell a lie to prevent an evil, he would be bound to do this..."
(See "Moral Theology," [1929], 1:13, 199).
Notice that one CAN be invincibly ignorant of the natural law (though not for one's whole life in most cases) and as an example of acting on such a conscience, a minor is used by the eminent theologians McHugh and Callan.
My turn; for one who professes to know so much about right and wrong, how do you explain away YOUR ignorance?
---Introibo
Were the Romans who watched Christians fed to lions at the Coliseum culpable for their exuberant cheering as the torture was going on? People like you argue that if a society becomes desensitized and immorality becomes ingrained in the culture then people can be given a free pass in certain situations. No need to confess abortion or self abuse according to you, since people don’t know right from wrong at the age of reason. It’s all subjective based on the cultural pressures and how much people are influenced by degeneracy and they can be people of “good will” if they fall for Satan’s traps and when it comes to abominable perversions against the natural law. They can’t know it’s intrinsically wrong at sixteen in some cases according to you. This is wrong. There are heinous sins (murder, sodomy, abortion, theft, etc… ) that are wrong no matter what. Your argument that 16 year olds just don’t know is a very bad one. They are culpable period!
DeleteWe are not talking about a lie on the level of a venial sin here. The examples were are talking about involve gross moral depravity, sodomy, etc. There is culpable ignorance in these categories. The lie you referred to before in the example is most likely venial, but the lies you spread are mortal! Why are you a liar??
DeleteTelling an officious lie or stealing a nickel from a millionaire would be against The Natural Law, but are venial sins. People of reason know this is wrong too. But don’t conflate Sodomy and listening to perverted filth with a venial sin. As we all know, sins of impurity where there is consent are always mortal sins. Try again.
DeleteThe point the editor is making is that the anon could be ignorant, but this ignorance is not to be applied in every single time. You have a point but notice how you don't offer any quotation from theologians.
DeletePeople also plead invincible ignorance when they commit mortal sins, saying things like “I didn’t know blasphemy, abortion, etc..is wrong”. Well why don’t they know that grievous sins are wrong? First off, you can’t convince any rational person who is a true Catholic that people are invincibly ignorant about things like abortion, sodomy, pedophilia etc. Why don’t people know that grievous sins are wrong? They should know. They have an obligation to know. Many don’t want to know because they want the excuse of inculpable ignorance or they are too lazy to look further into it. Like with The Novus Ordo. People are obligated to find The Truth , not blindly accept what The Novus Ordo tells them. They could fall into error through no fault of their own on theological issues, but that is why we must know our Faith.
Delete@anon9:58, 9:43, and 9:36 (probably one and the same)
DeleteYOU really need to try again! Once more from theologians McHugh and Callan:
"Hence, no matter how wrong an act is in itself, the agent is not guilty of formal sin"
What part of "NO MATTER HOW WRONG AN ACT IS IN ITSELF" don't you understand?
That means horrible mortal sin as well as venial. Now, the Church does not teach that everyone can do as they like, but rather the natural law can be hard to discern at times which is why we need the Magisterium. First, you would need to know what the Church teaches on conscience, the natural law, etc. which you clearly do not.
From theologian Slater, "Still there may be, and there is, ignorance of particular details and applications of the law of nature, EVEN IN MATTERS OF IMPORTANCE and of frequent occurrence. This is true not only of savage and untutored races, not only of primitive races, but even of civilized and Christian peoples. Theologians readily admit this. Many theologians of note allow that among such peoples THERE MAY EXIST IGNORANCE OF THE MALICE OF FORNICATION; they warn us that OTHER ACTS AGAINST THE NATURAL LAW ARE SOMETIMES DONE IN GOOD FAITH, without any knowledge of their malice." ("Moral Theology," [1925], 1:74; Emphasis mine.).
Can our age be considered "savage"? Moreover, one may be in ignorance of natural law even among (truly) Catholic peoples of the 1920s. Is fornication mere "venial sin"?
---Introibo
Here’s a quote for you Poni
DeleteIt’s from Saint Thomas Aquinas. Ignorance can be directly and indirectly voluntary. And you can’t argue that torture, pornography, self abuse, and adultery are mortal sins which one can be invincibly ignorant about. They are intrinsically wrong and people have a moral duty to know God’s law. It’s more important than having a job or eating!
“Now it may happen that a person ignores some circumstance of a sin, the knowledge of which circumstance would prevent him from sinning, whether it belong to the substance of the sin, or not; and nevertheless his knowledge is sufficient for him to be aware that the act is sinful; for instance, if a man strike someone, knowing that it is a man (which suffices for it to be sinful) and yet be ignorant of the fact that it is his father, (which is a circumstance constituting another species of sin); or, suppose that he is unaware that this man will defend himself and strike him back, and that if he had known this, he would not have struck him (which does not affect the sinfulness of the act). Wherefore, though this man sins through ignorance, yet he is not altogether excused, because, not withstanding, he has knowledge of the sin. Secondly, this may happen on the part of the ignorance itself, because, to wit, this ignorance is voluntary, either directly, as when a man wishes of set purpose to be ignorant of certain things that he may sin the more freely; or indirectly, as when a man, through stress of work or other occupations, neglects to acquire the knowledge which would restrain him from sin. For such like negligence renders the ignorance itself voluntary and sinful, provided it be about matters one is bound and able to know. Consequently this ignorance does not altogether excuse from sin. If, however, the ignorance be such as to be entirely involuntary, either through being invincible, or through being of matters one is not bound to know, then such like ignorance excuses from sin altogether”.
@anon12:44
DeleteToo bad you don't understand it.
"If, however, the ignorance be such as to be entirely involuntary, either through being invincible, or through being of matters one is not bound to know, then such like ignorance excuses from sin altogether."
Yep!
---Introibo
Yes. You just made my point. You are bound to know that hitting someone with unjust force, self abuse, sodomy, abortion, watching pornography are mortal sins. You are not bound to know that the person you hit was your father who the person never met which would be another sin. That would be an example of invincible ignorance. It would be impossible to know. If he unjustly hit the man that would be vincible and if it was his father he didn’t know that sin would be invincible. Keep trying. You are lost.
Delete@anon2:31
DeleteThe only point you have ostensibly needs to be covered with a hat. Those were EXAMPLES and not exhaustive. Again, theologian Slater:
"Still there may be, and there is, ignorance of particular details and applications of the law of nature, EVEN IN MATTERS OF IMPORTANCE and of frequent occurrence. This is true not only of savage and untutored races, not only of primitive races, but even of civilized and Christian peoples. Theologians readily admit this. Many theologians of note allow that among such peoples THERE MAY EXIST IGNORANCE OF THE MALICE OF FORNICATION; they warn us that OTHER ACTS AGAINST THE NATURAL LAW ARE SOMETIMES DONE IN GOOD FAITH, without any knowledge of their malice." ("Moral Theology," [1925], 1:74).
You can be invincibly ignorant of FORNICATION. The teaching of Slater was the common teaching since after the Vatican Council of 1870.
There is also Catholic development of dogma where things ae understood better and clearer as theology progresses (not in the Modernist sense). Aquinas lived in a time when even the Immaculate Conception was still a matter of debate. Please STOP trying. Yours is not a matter of ignorance. Just plain stupidity.
---Introibo
You are quoting Thomas Slater the Jesuit and modernist from the early 20th century??? We all know that these handbooks and moral manuals were in the hands of many modernists by the mid to late 19th century. You have the gall to quote a moral revisionist who says fornication can be done in “good faith” and then say it’s just a development but not modernism. I’ll pray for the people who read your garbage. You need many prayers indeed since you are fully engulfed and complicit in spreading these modernist errors. Invincible ignorance does not apply to mortal sin even if a Jesuit modernist tells you so.
DeleteThomas Slater is not a good source! A Jesuit, writing in the 20th century, where there were so many modernist manuals and books with imprimaturs it was not feasible or even possible to read and denounce/ban them all.
DeleteTheologian Slater (1855- 1928) was an entirely orthodox and well-respected theologian. His works were directed to be used in the seminaries under the reign of Pope St. Pius X. I guess Pope St. Pius X wasn't anti-Modernist enough to have censured him and allowed his theology manuals to be taught to future priests.
Delete---Introibo
Rock n roll and jazz are sland terms for sex. Most conservarltive novus ordites also know nothing re modern music and its destruction and influence. Most love the music! It is so deadly. I showed many so called traditionalists the teaching of St Jean Vianney re dancing and all said I am a prude. Truly insane thinking. There are some online saying Elvis (evils) is The Antichrist. .he is certainly one but unlikely The Antichrist.
ReplyDelete@anon3:56
DeleteHave you read my "Singing For Satan" series published the First Monday of each month from August 2017 to August 2019? I exposed the music of darkness.
You are correct about the terms "rock and roll" and "jazz."
However, Elvis is definitely not the Antichrist. As a matter of fact, he's the one guy I think was mislead but not evil. While the detestable John Lennon was saying The Beatles were more popular than Jesus, Elvis said something telling. When be interviewed on the radio, the DJ called him "King" because he was being called the "King of Rock and Roll." Elvis asked the DJ NOT to call him that, he said, "Please don't call me that name. Christ is King. I'm just Elvis." His drug addiction was from pain killers given for his lifelong affliction with arthritis, not from being a hippie wanting to get high. He also loved the U.S. and served in the military. Misled? Yes. Purposefully evil? No.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Which comment is false charity? Poni's? Interesting. I will say most do not understand one iota of these evils that envelop us. Sad times. And yes, false charity prevails!
ReplyDelete@anon5:50
DeleteAs my exposing of the occult shows--yes, most don't understand the evils of our days. Poni is NOT demonstrating false charity.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I cry for this 16 year old and pray! Wow...the fact he or she knows something is terribly wrong is amazing to me! Keep seeking the Truth!
ReplyDeleteI have not read Singing for Satan but will! Thank you!
ReplyDeleteNot saying Elvis is the Antichrist...but he is one. He led me into nothing good. It was his rock n roll nonsense that led many of us into sin. I was 8 or 9 when he supposedly died...and it had always impacted me. Sure, he may have had his personal issues. He was a public person who led many into evil places. My ex boyfriend did same...being in music industry. It is so evil! Good Ole Witon Gregory sent me a note after I met him and gave him a book. he used a John Lennon stamp. It haunts me.
@anon6:56pm
ReplyDeleteHello my friend. Welcome to Introibo’s blog. Since I read your comment, I have offered several prayers for you, and I will continue to keep praying for you. I am sorry to hear about your family situation. That is not easy to go through, especially at your age. I was just slightly older than you when I started really researching the faith and wanting to learn more and more. Like a detective, I kept investigating more and more and more, never fully satisfied until I found the Truth. Whether it was this topic or that topic, I wanted to know at all costs where the Truth was found. There were many times when the battle was very lonely. It was literally me vs. everybody time after time after time, more times than I can count. There are going to be many times when it will be you vs. everybody in your own life. You will be tested many times throughout your life and I urge you to be strong. You are young yet and you have much to learn. Keep your eyes focused on God and He will see you through. You will need spiritual weapons to help you. I recommend the following: 1) Learn everything you can about the Traditional Catholic Faith. 2) Go to a Traditional Church/Chapel if one is near you and receive the sacraments regularly. 3) Meditate on the Passion of Jesus Christ. Be uniting your own sufferings to Christ’s sufferings on the cross, you will become more powerful over time and can weather many storms that will enter your life. 4) Develop a strong devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary. 5) Pray the rosary daily. EXTREMELY POWERFUL PRAYER!!! 6) Develop a strong devotion to St. Joseph. He is the King of the King of Kings, the head of the Holy Family. His intercession with God is second only to the Blessed Virgin Mary’s. He is extremely powerful before God and unfortunately, he is so neglected by so many Catholics who fail to pray to him. St. Teresa of Avila said that St. Joseph never failed her whenever she needed his assistance. 7) Pray to your guardian angel. Your angel never leaves your side. God gave you an angelic protector to help you over the course of your earthly life. Make use of your guardian angel. 8) Pray the Chaplet of St. Michael. It offers special protection by all 9 choirs of angels over you. 9) Pray for the poor souls in purgatory. Your prayers can assist them in getting to heaven and they will never cease interceding for you once in heaven because you will be the one primarily responsible for freeing many of them from their fiery prisons in purgatory. 10) Read “The Lives of the Saints”. The saints are our spiritual brothers and sisters who lived before us and merited heaven. They went before us and they now help us on our own individual journeys. 11) Wear religious medals and sacramentals. I recommend the brown scapular, the green scapular, the Holy Face medal, the St. Benedict medal, your patron saint medal, etc.
CONTINUED…Like you, I too attended Novus Ordo schools for almost my entire life. As I got older, there were situations where I was put in very difficult spots and I had to know the faith and know it well. Some situations were “sink or swim”. It takes time and it is not an overnight thing. If you know other peers at your school that are interested in learning about the faith, by all means, refer them to Introibo’s blog. It is an excellent place to learn much about the faith. Bring your questions here and we will help you as best we can. Whatever you do, stay humble and do not despair. You will have bumps along the road but if you stay focused on Christ, you will be fine. God has worked many wonders in many people’s lives that frequent this blog and He can do the same for you. I am no exception. I went from being a young guy your age that would be in a classroom full of people and I didn’t know how to defend my faith or what to say on a certain theological matter to eventually getting to a level (as a Traditional Catholic) where I was in a room packed with people, including Novus Ordo bishops, priests, and lots of lay people and taking them all on in a HEATED discussion/debate. This has happened more times than I can count. It was just me vs. everyone. 1 vs. 1, then 1 vs. 2, then 1 vs. 5, then 1 vs. 10, until it eventually became 1 vs. 50, 1 vs. 75, 1 vs. 100 people! Stay strong and do NOT get discouraged. If you need help, please bring your questions to this blog and we will offer you support.
ReplyDeleteI will keep you and your family in my daily prayers.
God bless you my young friend!
-TradWarrior
“That whatever is done through ignorance must not be considered a sin is hereby condemned as error” - Pope Innocent II
ReplyDeleteMcHugh and Callan putting out a moral theology handbook in the mid 20th century is not an expression of infallibility. The handbook is correct in many areas and is based on Saint Thomas Aquinas and his teachings but it’s not a dogmatic guide that must be adhered to on every point. The Novus Ordo puts out moral handbooks based on Saint Thomas Aquinas. What’s your point? Try using dogmatic sources for once and not your favorite modernist theologians from the mid 20th century or sources like McHugh and Callan which are not dogmatic.
@Feeneyite, R&R, or One Who Has Their False Assumptions
DeleteThe Catholic Faith is not learned by buying a copy of Denzinger and then "interpreting" it.
Approved theologians therefore, hold great importance in the Church. As theologian Tanquerey teaches, They [theologians] are not to be esteemed lightly no matter what the Protestants, Modernists or other adversaries have alleged against them. (Moral Theology, pg.180). Hence, those who deny the importance of the teachings of approved theologians are Protestants, Modernists and other enemies of the Church, not Catholics.
The Vatican II sect theologians are NOT approved, as they are not under a true pope and hierarchy. Big difference.
Two Common Objections Answered:
1. "Theologians are not infallible." Theologian Scheeben teaches, "Although the assistance of the Holy Ghost is not directly promised to theologians, nevertheless the assistance promised to the Church requires that He should prevent them as a body from falling into error; otherwise the Faithful who follow them would all be lead astray. The consent of the theologians implies the consent of the Episcopate, according to St. Augustine's dictum, 'Not to resist an error is to approve of it---not to defend a truth is to reject it.'" (Scheeben, A Manual of Catholic Theology, pg. 83; Emphasis mine).
2. "We only need to follow the infallible teachings of the Church."
The Church has condemned this very idea. Condemned proposition #22 of the Syllabus of Errors, addressed to the whole Church teaches:
22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and writers are absolutely bound is restricted to those matters only which are proposed by the infallible judgement of the Church, to be believed by all as dogmas of the faith.
Finally, you citation to Pope Innocent is correct but misunderstood. The ignorance of which he wrote is VINCIBLE ignorance; any approved theologian's manual pre-V2 would explain that.
---Introibo
Stop using modernist theologians to support your bogus theology. You think that Pre-Vatican II theologians are safe, they are not. The revolution was going on in The Church for decades even before the ultra modernist theologians you quote. Yea, modernist theologians telling you it’s fine to read modernist theologians. You are blind indeed. People like you by that garbage and is why we are in the position we are in today. People like you are easily led astray. There are so many books and manuals with imprimaturs by modernist that can’t even be counted, let alone banned. The modernists you quote who tell you it’s fine to read their books is like allowing the fox to guard the hen house. Wake up!
Delete@anon1:48
DeleteYou write, "Yea, modernist theologians telling you it’s fine to read modernist theologians."
Theologian Scheeben (1835-1888) was one of the most brilliant and orthodox theologians of all time. In the summer of 1888, Scheeben died in Cologne, having spent most of his fifty-three years teaching dogmatics and moral theology in the archdiocesan seminary there. He was Germany’s most persuasive defender of Vatican Council of 1870s decision on papal infallibility and an impassioned advocate of religious freedom for the Church in the Kulturkampf.
In 1935, on the centennial anniversary of Scheeben’s birth, Pope Pius XI encouraged the students of the Germanicum to study Scheeben’s theology. In an audience with the students the Pope said, “The entire theology of Scheeben bears the stamp of a pious ascetical theology; as another great theologian, Franzelin, said: ‘I like ascetical books with much theology and dogma, and dogmatic books with much asceticism.’ This is as it should be.”
So Pope Pius XI endorsed and encouraged the study of Scheeben's works. Didn't Pope Pius XI realize Scheeben was a Modernist? That he was propagating heresy by so doing? That leaves you in a real conundrum. We must conclude one of the following:
(a) Pope Pius XI wasn't a real pope because he promoted heresy.
(b) Pope Pius was praising and encouraging the works of a very orthodox theologian whom you calumniated as a "Modernist."
(Psst..the answer is "b")
The heretical theologians were kept out prior to Roncalli. They were censured. It was only under Roncalli they were rehabilitated and sent to do evil at the Robber Council. It shows how well the Magisterium works and how little you understand.
Please get a clue.
---Introibo
“Now it may happen that a person ignores some circumstance of a sin, the knowledge of which circumstance would prevent him from sinning, whether it belong to the substance of the sin, or not; and nevertheless his knowledge is sufficient for him to be aware that the act is sinful; for instance, if a man strike someone, knowing that it is a man (which suffices for it to be sinful) and yet be ignorant of the fact that it is his father, (which is a circumstance constituting another species of sin); or, suppose that he is unaware that this man will defend himself and strike him back, and that if he had known this, he would not have struck him (which does not affect the sinfulness of the act). Wherefore, though this man sins through ignorance, yet he is not altogether excused, because, not withstanding, he has knowledge of the sin. Secondly, this may happen on the part of the ignorance itself, because, to wit, this ignorance is voluntary, either directly, as when a man wishes of set purpose to be ignorant of certain things that he may sin the more freely; or indirectly, as when a man, through stress of work or other occupations, neglects to acquire the knowledge which would restrain him from sin. For such like negligence renders the ignorance itself voluntary and sinful, provided it be about matters one is bound and able to know. Consequently this ignorance does not altogether excuse from sin. If, however, the ignorance be such as to be entirely involuntary, either through being invincible, or through being of matters one is not bound to know, then such like ignorance excuses from sin altogether”
ReplyDelete-Saint Thomas Aquinas
People choose in many cases to be ignorant of sin. Ignorance can be indirectly or directly voluntary. This makes them culpable as stated above, just like they are culpable for objective mortal sins dealing with the natural law. It’s quite plain to see above. If people claim they are ignorant of self abuse, adultery, watching pornographic material, abortion etc they are either liars, very wicked, or voluntarily left themselves in ignorance. But are always culpable in those situations just like the situation being discussed above about grave impurity and hip hop.
@anon12:35
DeleteMany times the ignorance is VINCIBLE and you would be correct. However, "If, however, the ignorance be such as to be entirely involuntary, either through being invincible, or through being of matters one is not bound to know, then such like ignorance excuses from sin altogether"
(See your own citation).
---Introibo
There is a concept known as culpable negligence as put forth by Jone in his moral theology handbook. The person who commits a sin which is mortal by its very nature does not turn it into a venial sin simply because the sinner says “he didn’t know”. There is culpable negligence in many of the examples being discussed here in this comment section. There is such a thing as inculpable ignorance, but it doesn’t apply to the unnatural and heinously immoral sins we are discussing here. The guilt may be a lesser degree depending on the situation involved with the person committing the mortal sin, but it doesn’t change the nature of the sin itself if it is mortal and there exist culpable ignorance and culpable negligence.
Delete@anon4:43
DeleteHere's an exact citation to theologian Jone:
"The natural law obliges all men. Whoever has not the use of reason does not sin formally by transgressing the moral law because of ignorance; but another sins who induces him to do so. The same holds for an unlettered person who has the use of reason, but is ignorant of the precepts of right reason flowing from first principles. This SELDOM [not "never"---Introibo] occurs in regard to the primary or general conclusions , but more often in the case of secondary precepts of the natural law." (See "Moral Theology," [1961], pg. 20)
Therefore in MOST cases, ignorance is VINCIBLE and results in sin. However, in some cases the person may be truly an invincibly ignorant. This is seen especially in regard to minors. Now, the nature of the sin is not changed (you are correct), and e.g., fornication remains seriously wrong. However, no guilt is imputed to the person in invincible ignorance. Culpable or vincible ignorance means the act is still a mortal sin.
---Introibo
Perhaps you can do a post re invincible ignorance with a special emphasis on novus ordo abomination? I know novus ordites who actually believe they will be saved by invincible ignorance even if they fail to study the truth regarding the True Faith. Or even just brush it aside.
ReplyDeleteThanks for Fr Hughes recommendation. I listen to as much as I can. This sermon and his countless others would help the dear 16 year old I am sure. God bless all!
https://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/FrBenedict/FrBenHug_VaticanII_WhatDoesItReallyTeach_FatimaConference_2012.mp3
Hello Introibo,TradWarrior and all readers who made comments and said they will pray for me as a 16 year old who found this website.Your words and kindness is beyond words.Thank you so much.I have listened to the above teaching by Father Hughes.
DeleteMy dad is taking me to a SSPX chapel this Sunday which is 3 hours drive away.There is nothing else round for hundreds of miles.The SSPX have a school there.
I have started to buy many Traditional books and started to pray traditional devotions.
God bless you
Dear sweet 16! BeAware...sspx is basically part of novus ordo. Itmis best to sanctify Sundays versus being part of a compromised group. Food for thought.
DeleteI will post a Bishop Dolan sermon which males it very clear dear one. God bless you!
@anon5:56
DeleteBeware of the R&R theology, but enjoy receiving Our Lord, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in Holy Communion! Always will I pray for you!
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anon3:32
DeleteI may very well do a post on invincible ignorance!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you...I hope so!
DeleteSweet 16...please listen to this shorter sermon and beware/beAware. God bless!
DeleteBishop Daniel Dolan: Have Nothing to do with the Novus Ordo Religion and...its Traditional Groups
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vPHCBda-YoA&si=6YUcLZofs7BLjxBx
Surprised you don't warn about sspx. Even Catholic Candle does that...example below.
Deletehttps://catholiccandle.org/2020/04/02/a-compromise-groups-masses-and-sacraments-do-not-give-grace-because-the-end-does-not-justify-the-means/
16 Year Old:
DeleteGet yourself a copy of the BLESSED BE GOD PRAYER BOOK (Preserving Christian Publications); this was THE American prayer book, for generations, before Vatican II. it will be a very great asset for you, as it is and was for me.
Enjoy holy Mass at the SSPX Chapel (don't be put off them by comments here: they are in error though the Mass & Sacraments are valid). Copy the 11 odd points that TRADWARRIOR suggested above, particular about devotions, Sacramentals. Be sure to get the Green Scapular (try RoseScapular.com).
Benedicat te Deus et Virgo custodiet the.
* Benedicat te Deus et Virgo custodiet te.
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Introibo
ReplyDeleteListening to the recent discussion between Bishop Sanborn and Stephen Heiner I was not impressed.Bishop Sanborn made the claim that more Traditional Catholics who hold the sedevacantist position are supporting the Thesis of the late Bishop Guerard des Lauriers.He said the Totalist position is wrong because it leads to conclavism.I do not support Bishop Sanborn.I have read somewhere that Bishop Guerard at the end of his life rescinded the Thesis for all of its errors.Bishop Sanborn holds the Thesis to be Dogma and rejects anyone who says he is wrong.Your thoughts please.
@anon4:50
DeleteSedeprivationism (the "Thesis") I hold to be POSSIBLE. I don't know of any credible citation that Bp. des Lauriers rejected his own Thesis. "Garden variety" sedevacantism does NOT lead to conclavism---but it would most probably lead to the necessary imperfect general council written about by theologians. It does not mean six people in a store will "elect a pope" (the late David Bawden, aka "Pope Michael").
To hold to the Thesis as dogma and try to impose it is totally wrong. Neither Bp. Sanborn, nor any other Traditionalist cleric has the Magisterial authority to do so.
God Bless,
---Introibo
My understanding is that both the thesis and what Bp Sanborn terms "totalism" are based on the same fundamental error: that all of the bishops in the Catholic Church holding offices with ordinary jurisdiction have defected from the Catholic Faith. This would lead to a defection of the Church and isn't possible as there must always be a college of bishops (two or more bishops holding offices with ordinary jurisdiction).
DeleteSuch men may not exist in the USA, but must exist somewhere in the world as Christ doesn't fail in his promises. They likely exist in the Eastern Rites which still have valid orders and elect their own Bishops. The Church can supply jurisdiction for the acts of AntiPopes when their actions are for the good of the Church under the principle of common error. Such an act would include appointing a Catholic Bishop to an office with ordinary jurisdiction to continue Apostolic Succession.
This is where we make an act of faith. Not place our hope in novel solutions not found in Church teaching.
“Not every ignorance causes involuntariness…. Hence not every ignorance excuses from sin altogether”
ReplyDelete“So far as voluntariness remains in the ignorant person, the intention of sin remains in him: so that, in this respect, his sin is not accidental”
Saint Thomas Aquinas
A person can be invincibly ignorant about a finer point of theology, and in some other situations. But there are mortal sins which he must never commit and is bound to know. A person can’t engage in unnatural acts and find out later at his own convenience if whether this is immoral or not. First off, the person knows it’s immoral by way of the
natural law unless they are psychotic or extremely disordered, secondly, they are bound to know that certain sins are always mortal sins! The guilt may be diminished, but it is still a moral sin that must be accounted for and confessed. Please read about the object and nature of the sin and the person committing the sin. People are bound to know that abortion is always a mortal sin, that disgusting acts of sexual depravity are also always a mortal sin, there is no “we didn’t know”, this makes a mockery of the Catholic Moral Order.
@anon5:21
DeleteI will repeat here what I wrote to another commenter above:
Here's an exact citation to theologian Jone:
"The natural law obliges all men. Whoever has not the use of reason does not sin formally by transgressing the moral law because of ignorance; but another sins who induces him to do so. The same holds for an unlettered person who has the use of reason, but is ignorant of the precepts of right reason flowing from first principles. This SELDOM [not "never"---Introibo] occurs in regard to the primary or general conclusions , but more often in the case of secondary precepts of the natural law." (See "Moral Theology," [1961], pg. 20)
Therefore in MOST cases, ignorance is VINCIBLE and results in sin. However, in some cases the person may be truly an invincibly ignorant. This is seen especially in regard to minors. Now, the nature of the sin is not changed (you are correct), and e.g., fornication remains seriously wrong. However, no guilt is imputed to the person in invincible ignorance. Culpable or vincible ignorance means the act is still a mortal sin.
---Introibo
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteFr. Tobias Bayer of the Roman Catholic Institute recently gave an invocation prayer at an Air Force change of command ceremony at the Pentagon. I wonder how that happened? A sedevacantist priest?
@anon7:30
DeleteNever heard of this!! If anyone has further info, please send it on!
God Bless,
---Introibo
I am Anon7:30 from yesterday. If you go to Roman Catholic Media YouTube channel, and go to Posts, scroll down and there is a picture of Fr. Bayer.
DeleteWrite to Fr Bayer. He will likely answer your question. Amd thanks for bringing attention. Our govt is beyond corrupt so...participating in this manner to me suggests ignorance on priest's part in giving some legitimacy to the corrupt govt. Yes I know others will say complete opposite but sadly most blind on many matters of reality.
DeleteYou are not only a John 3:5 mocker, but you also mock the Catholic moral tradition. I don’t care if you studied under Fr.DePauw. He’s not the proximate rule of Faith. You are a morally depraved and arrogant monster who spreads moral rot and corruption.
ReplyDelete@anon9:06
DeleteI never claimed Fr. DePauw was the proximate rule of faith. "John 3:5 mocker"--you're a Feeneyite and a sychophant of Fred and Bobby Dimwit. YOU and your cult masters are the ones promoting heresy and corruption. Repent.
Praying for your conversion,
---Introibo
Concerning the suicide theme of this blog post, it is worthy of note that Samson is divinely depicted as committing suicide in Judges 16: 30, and by the very act of doing so, became a "hall of fame hero" (!) of divine and Catholic faith, in Hebrews 11: 32-34 (!). St. Thomas Aquinas and many other saints and popes and exegetes, were greatly puzzled by this "Samsonite riddle" (Judges 14: 10-19). The answer to the riddle, in a "Steve Sperey-style" nutshell, is that there was/will be, no physical suicide. Samson II commits an epic act of suiciding his sinful self-will, in order to permit the Divine Will to reign over himself and, by extension, over the Church. Thus, there is nothing sinful about the suicide of Samson II. That type of suicide is virtuous in the highest degree. (Just as there is a John Paul I and a John Paul II, so also is there a Samson I (circa 1100 BC) and a prophetic "Samson II"). THAT is the master key insight to decoding the very highly cryptic Samson story in the biblical book of Judges. Introibo, thank you for enabling me to add this comment to your post.
ReplyDeleteTomorrow, I plan to add a comment here elaborating upon the Sammons - Samson anagram. On June 3, Eric Sammons said something online about Samson (Judges 15:3-5), that is extraordinarily interesting. It was transcribed by Mario D. of NOW, in his 18 June blog post. This is July 4 firefox fireworks stuff. Once again, I plan to elaborate upon that here, tomorrow. Introibo, may God bless you and your readership.
@anon2:29
DeleteThank you for your comment! Looking forward to your next comment!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Very interesting comment re Samson...never heard anything like it. Can you link the Speray reference too?
ReplyDelete“So far as voluntariness remains in the ignorant person, the intention of sin remains in him: so that, in this respect, his sin is not accidental”. ~Saint Thomas Aquinas
ReplyDeleteIt’s up to the person to know if something is sinful. If he can know and can find out and/or it’s written on his heart through the natural law, and commits the mortal sin anyway, he is guilty. This is most all cases unless we are talking about a person who is imbecilic. A man who is fifty who gets drunk everyday commits mortal sins that he is guilty of and if a 16 year old gets drunk to the point of cognitive impairment they are still guilty of a mortal sin, but the guilt would be less than then the fifty year old.
You can’t just blame external influences, like a bad society, for people’s grievous offenses against God. This is modernism without question.
@anon3:30
Delete"It’s up to the person to know if something is sinful."
Your citation to Aquinas must be supplemented by the teaching of the theologians since. Yes, in MOST ALL CASES guilt is incurred. However, judgement can be impaired by various factors (diminished mental capacity, etc). I'm not simply "blaming a bad society." Please read the teachings of the theologians on conscience.
It is **possible** to be invincibly ignorant on some matters of even natural law, although that is VERY RARE and almost certainly cannot be maintained throughout life.
---Introibo
A simple Google search: samson suicide catholic ; yields lots of interesting information about "suicide as a virtuous Catholic act". One example is the Unam Sanctam Catholicam 10 Aug. 2012 blog article "The Suicide of Samson". The USC blogger, Boniface, doesn't quite understand the nature of the suicide involved. In the wikipedia article "Samson", we read that: "... Caesarius of Arles interpreted Samson's death as prefiguring the crucifixion of Jesus." - Indeed, it does. BUT, it both prefigures it (= Samson I) AND postdates it (= Samson II) ! To say that Samson "suicides his self-will", is the exact same thing as saying that he crucifies his self-will. Golgotha style. Golgotha explains it all. The place of the JAWBONE massacre (Judges 15:9-19) was up on a mount, just as Golgotha was. Golgotha = Skull. The upper jawbone is part and parcel of the skull. The lower jawbone is moved slightly, and used in conjunction with the tongue, in order to speak. Thus, this deals with oral proclamation. Golgotha was about deicide murder, not suicide. Samson II is a relentless repetitive mass murderer. But it is all murder that is NOT of a physical flesh and blood sort, as happened on Mount Golgotha. Saint Samson II is an extremely highly virtuous murderer in the spiritual realm. Faith cuts very deep, like a razor-sharp double-edged sword.
ReplyDelete[to be continued, probably tomorrow]
Can anyone enlighten me?
ReplyDeleteBeen out of NO for 5 years. Finally made it to sede last year. Was in R&R camp being brainwashed a bit. In any case. The NO world keeps baffling me. My younger brother dying from vaxx injury. He has been far from any faith for a while but has always identified as Catholic, like so many do. He almost died a month ago after hospital error...yes, if he had died, it was so egregious his illicit 2nd wife could have sued. A novus ordo priest visited him and he had a so called confession. My brother doesn't think anything is a sin. he uses God's name in vain constantly and it makes me cry. He went back to that hospital today and called my sister crying saying he ran into that priest and the priest told him he has no idea, but he felt compelled to go into his room that day. It happened to be the anniversary of our mother's death when he first encountered that priest. In my novus ordo days, I often tended to folks on their death beds and often the NO clergy would show up after calling many who wouldn't and then the person would die. It does lead one to believe the hand of God is still at work in that evil place and with those doubtful clergy? Please help me reconcile these discrepancies! God bless all!
@anon8:13
DeleteCongratulations on your conversion! As to your brother (and similar cases), God can reach people in unexpected ways. With so few Traditionalist priests, and many believing the Vatican II sect is the Catholic Church, God can use one of their invalid clergy to elicit an act of prefect contrition. Maybe now your brother will start to look into Catholicism, amend his life join you in the One True Church.
That doesn't make them a "means of salvation" as the Vatican II sect teaches, it simply means that in extraordinary times, God can reach people in extraordinary ways to save a soul. No one can (or should) rely on that for their relatives, the duty to convert all to the Church remains.
Hope this helped!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Not sure you've come to the right place... Everyone here will shout out that the NO is a false religion and therefore God will not work His grace through it.
DeleteI think such a view is wrong. The NO is most definitely a false religion, unquestionably, however not in the same manner as, say, Buddhism. Yes, it is wholly false though it is made false by the devilish subversion of true Religion, i.e. Catholicism, and these comment fields are littered with remarks (such as yours) that you navigated your way out of the NO and, I for one, think that that is indeed a function of God's grace and that, as such, there remains sufficient of such grace in the NO for the true & earnest of heart who actively seek Him out. Central to many such journeys is devotion to the Blessed Sacrament (even though the NO sacraments are to be understood as being null & void*).
I'm sorry to learn of your brother and your predicament; you will have to pray and pray hard - it might be good to add fasting - for him. Maybe do a Rosary novena and fast every day save Sunday. The Feast of Ss. Peter & Paul is 9 days away, perhaps invoke their intercession and add their litanies to the conclusion of your Rosaries. Beseech the Blessed Virgin to help; she wants your brother saved and stood at the foot of the Cross for him. Invoke too St. Joseph.
Most in the NO think that everyone will be saved. It's so dreadful.
* I ponder if God, in His mercy, suspends supernatural law to validate some NO sacraments in favour of the true of heart on occasion. On paper, they are wholly void.
Thanks so much but still confused! Are you saying for example the people I thought I was helping die...were helped by those novus ordo priests? And my brother too? My brother is so far away I would be so shocked if he changed his ways. i hope n pray and guess a novus ordite could help? One of my friends died at hospital hands...they denied her food and water so of course she died within 5 days. Novus ordo showed up and had me participate in his homo, and yes, very homo blessing. I almost vomited. I previously had a true priest tend to her but later found out he was compromised. He was conditionally ordained by Williamson but thought his NO thing was good...he only did it for the people who would doubt him. He didn't doubt it so that is sacrilegious. Scary scary times!
DeleteThese are scary and confsuing times, my friend!
DeleteI would like to know Introibo's opinion (and that of our fellow commenters too!) on priests like the one you mentioned as I was affected personally by such a priest too. In his public online bio he gives the details of his Novus Ordo ordination (along with the name of his ordaining NO "bishop" on par with his conditional ordination. Cites "bishop" Schneider whom he asked for personal advice as a voice of a Shepherd too.
He's held in high regard by sedevacantists in my country although he isn't one to the best of my knowledge.
Am I being too rigid?
Not too rigid! Can't wait to see answers to your question. I personally will stay away from any compromised priest, at least once I learn compromised. There are sede priests who are vaxxed. I would stay away from them too.
DeleteThank you June20 @946!
DeleteYes I fast and pray unceasingly.
I think you are right. How do we in NO escape NO if not for the grace of God! It is comforting to hope that those I thought I was helping before I figured it out may be saved. My parents didn't know. They both suffered tremendously so I hope and pray their sufferings...made them new, as only He can do!
My poor friend who died at hospital hands...I believe she was learning the Truth in those 5 days of them starving her to death. She was unconscious but I could see she was learning and terrified in all her body movements and expressions. They kicked me out of hospital just minutes before she died because I refused mask. This was 2 years ago and they still masking! hospital accepted my exemption a week prior. But she died on Sunday and I could tell nurses pissed I there all week and took it upon themselves to have me ejected. I was able to at least read her the Sunday true Mass readings. Her uncles were both Jesuit priests who were part of the revolution. She was brainwashed. God help us! GOD save us!
@anon4:06
DeleteYou're right, not being "too ridged"!
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anon10:15
DeleteI agree with @anon9:46 except that I disagree that V2 sacraments (with the exception of some baptisms and marriages) are valid.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo and anon 4:06
DeleteThank you both for your responses. Seems like I'm rocking the boat, so to speak, as everyone else is in awe of that priest.
I'm quite sure the way sedevacantism works where I live would really put you off. The saddest thing is you're bound to get in conflict with the local sede movers and shakers if you dare disagree. I've read about that done to somebody and I've seen ordinary, well-behaved people leave a local sede mission. I don't know myself how long I'm going to tolerate this either.
Thank you for a breath of fresh air!
God Bless You!
anon 6:31
DeleteI would love to meet people like you in person!
May God reward you generously for your charity for the dying; it's almost unheard of today.
God Bless You and I hope you keep commenting!
Joanna
God bless you Joanna! I wish I would meet any traditional Catholic. All alone except for this space. All think I am religious fanatic conspiracy theorist, because I also warned all my novus ordo pals of the vaxx...and now over 400 I know are dead, many young. All are still blind. If you ever come to the US, please get in touch at olgtlm@yahoo.com.
DeleteBlessings to you and yours!
633...rocking the boat is good. Just don't wake Him! Ha. What priest are you referencing?
DeleteIntroibo,
ReplyDeleteMy condolences on the loss of your friend. I prayed for him previously, and now for the repose of his soul.
O Mary, mother of God and mother of mercy, pray for us and the faithful departed, Amen.
Many good comments here, including the St. John Vianney story which I have greatly enjoyed for years, as well as advice for the young sir or madam... and I would add, or at least reiterate, that you should pray, pray, pray. God is your Father, your Saviour, your Friend. As St. Alphonsus de Liguori says, "He who prays is saved, he who does not is lost." Talk often to Him. He wants you to. Remember or lookup what Jesus said about the treasure found in the field. Do everything you can to get it, and always ask Him for help. God Bless!
-S.T.
Seeking Truth,
DeleteThank you. Great words of advice!
God Bless,
---Introibo
If you google up madonna leo xiv related , you'll find that Bobby Prevost and the Illuminati songstress "Madonna", are indeed related. Might that explain a few things?
ReplyDelete@anon9:32
DeleteScary--and it doesn't surprise me!
God Bless,
---Introibo
The USAntipope is related to Hillary Clinton too!
DeleteI am the 16 year old who wrote above.I have talked it over with my dad and we are going to to contact a CMRI priest if he can visit us.I know there are major problems with the SSPX.I am only 16 but have been reading much and finding so much new info on this site.We have stopped going to the Novus Ordo the last several months.Thank you everyone for your prayers.I will pray for you too.
ReplyDeleteSo glad to hear this sweet 16! I know people who are clinging to sspx even though they know so much is wrong. Being compromised is not good. We are either with Him or against Him. How can one be with Him at Holy Mass naming false popes in the Canon.
DeleteGod bless you and all here.
@anon4:54am
DeleteThe CMRI are a good group. There are many wonderful priests within their ranks. You are already doing a great job for a 16 year old. At 16 years old, I didn’t know what CMRI, SSPV, RCI, SGG, SSPX, etc. even meant. Just keep praying and studying and learning at your own pace and you will be fine. Turn to Jesus, Mary, and Joseph for help and they will see you through everything. I’ll keep you in my daily prayers.
-TradWarrior
Hey 16 year old.
DeleteAs someone who attends the SSPX along with almost every other sede in my country I can say that while there are many problems with their explanation of the crisis, as long as you have a solid understanding of what is and isn't possible with the Church it is possible to attend their regularly, though it isn't ever possible to feel at home.
I would encourage you to read the WM Review and Trad Cath Forums as they contain very up to date content, the latter containing rebuttals to many of the novel teachings that have spread from sectarian sedevacantist groups.
The no Una Cum teaching is one of these which is not found in Church teaching, the Church permitting things most Catholics wouldn't think would ever be permitted in order for the laity to access sacraments that are morally necessary for their salvation. There is an entire subforum on this topic alone.
As long as we stick with what the Church teaches in all things we'll be ok. This crisis has persisted as long as it has because men have failed in this regard. We must remember that at the end of the day we are all Catholics. There is no room for sectarianism in Catholicism. Sectarianism is a fruit of the flesh and all too human.
God bless,
JL
JL
DeleteAre you in Europe?
You don't have to answer if you don't want to. I find myself in a very difficult situation chapel-wise in my country where I can't feel at home in a sede chapel and there is no sede alternative either.
I am the person who has posted before, who needs conditional baptism. I still can't think of anybody to ask to do it. And I can't afford to travel to a chapel where nobody has seen me before. My physical health is getting worse.
ReplyDeleteI'll remember you in my rosary tonight, that God will provide you a solution. God Bless.
Delete-S.T.
@anon4:40
DeleteAsk ANY HUMAN BEING with the use of reason who can articulate the simple conditional baptismal form while pouring the water over your head. Tell the mailman. It may sound embarrassing, but your soul is more important. You could even ask a Vatican II sect "deacon" to visit you. Call the rectory. Then ask him while he's over to do it. Even they can get it right if you ask him to do it "the old fashioned way." I've stated these things to you (and my readers) MANY TIMES. I really don't know what else to say.
Praying for you.
---Introibo
I am Anon 4:40. There are multiple priests near me! An hour or less away. They won't come! And they won't let me come to them. I thought that traditionalist priests liked converts!
Delete@anon9:06
DeleteThere is something more to this story as I've said before. I cannot imagine the following exchange on the phone:
You: "Father, I'm in poor health and need baptism. I want to be a Traditional Catholic. Can you please come just once to baptize me?"
Priest: "No." (Hangs up).
Nevertheless, do as I suggested above:
Ask ANY HUMAN BEING with the use of reason who can articulate the simple conditional baptismal form while pouring the water over your head. Tell the mailman. It may sound embarrassing, but your soul is more important. You could even ask a Vatican II sect "deacon" to visit you. Call the rectory. Then ask him while he's over to do it. Even they can get it right if you ask him to do it "the old fashioned way."
Praying for you.
---Introibo
What state are you in and what quandranr? If you near me I will come. If I know someone in your state I will send someone. I would also consider Introibo suggestion of calling local NO as anyone can baptize. God bless!
DeleteI am physically sick and I don't have a lot of money. The priest doesn't want to accept me. That really is basically the story. I believe that the priest might come if I was in the hospital, but I am not in the hospital yet.
DeleteWell...you won't say what state so how can we help. You have baptism of desire and can be saved and if you sadly end up in a hospital, there are plenty of people there to ask for baptism. Prayers for you. I personally choose to die anywhere but a hospital. I am going to be conditionally baptized tomorrow by a lady I helped escape the NO. It is also the date of my NO baptism, the Vigil of St John the Baptist. May he pray for us all!
DeleteWhy won't priest accept you? Weird choice of words. Did you refuse instruction or some other requirement? Did you even approach a true priest? I know NO priests who are quite strict. They require Mass attendance and instruction. If you sick, none of that applies to you. You don't even need traditional priest...as you say...won't accept you. You just need a passer by and if you sick does that mean you already in medical offices? Or are you like me who refuse medical industry antidotes? You seem to be open to hospitals as is the priest you think will come if you in one and if so, many there can baptize you. Even the janitor, who is probably more catholic than the pope. God bless.
DeleteI did not refuse instruction.
DeletePrayers please, for a personal intention. Thank you, everyone. God Bless.
ReplyDelete-S.T.
Seeking Truth,
DeletePrayers for you my friend and I ask all my readers to do the same!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Prayers for you, my friend!
DeleteGod Bless,
Joanna
Hello everyone
ReplyDeleteJust watched a youtube video of a semi Trad called Kennedy Hall.He was talking about how the SSPX will soon ask Leo XIV for some new bishops.What planet is he on?How he can spread such utter garbage.Knowing a number of faithful who attend Society Masses,they want nothing to do with Leo XIV and his one world sect.They say how can Kennedy be saying these things.Things are not the same as 1988,in fact much much worse.
On the bishop Sanborn.I think he is still holding to SSPX ideas.Does he believe we are in the Great Apostasy or not.He is so wrong on a number of things.
God bless
I'm afraid Kennedy Hall may be right about this (well, even a broken clock is right twice a day...). The SSPX is SO compromised these days. Maybe less so in the US but in my country they have more invalidly ordained Novus Ordo presbiters than their own SSPX-ordained ones; women show up for Mass with their heads uncovered like they are still sitting in their Novus Ordo pews but it's OK since they accept the 1983 Code of Canon Law by Wojtyla. The SSPX are on a fast-track to being absorbed wholly into the Novus Ordo.
DeleteWhat puzzles me most is why even a single SSPX priest in my country hasn't left that organization for almost 20 years (it happened only once in 2006).
God Bless You,
Joanna
Bishop Roy has a great video on his leaving sspx. Perhaps sweet 16 will benefit as well.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/mZs6w0HgrMo?si=6sWosS63eYQL-kT6
Also, even though CC is R&R, this was their open letter departing sspx. They believe most priests, even conditionally ordained, are compromised. For example, and also for the other commenter seeking, they say those who sought conditional ordination from Williamson RIP after it was clear he was compromised, are also compromised. They say sacrilegious. And no one should seek any sacraments from the compromised. St Hermenegild was martyed, for not receiving sacrament from unorthodox but validly ordained priest so...
You can find their list of priests on their home page fyi.
https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/priests/sspx-open-letter-parishioners-2015
Let us place our trust in the Lord! He gives me grace and I have had zero uncompromised sacraments my whole 50 plus year existence. Or I would not have been able to escape NO! My NO baptism is tomorrow June 23 1968 and even Introibo said I should still have conditional baptism.
God bless!
This is the video of Bishop Roy explaining his exodus from sspx, which he and his family grew up in. He is one of 13. It is excellent as is the video above.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/jkw8g9Csxd0?si=tmQx93zIJEIXtAEF
Hey Introibo,
ReplyDeleteThere are a couple of things missing on your list that are directly implicated in increased suicide risk:
- Pharmaceuticals (psychiatric and non-psychiatric)
- Nutritional deficiencies
SSRIs in particular have been implicated. https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3697/rr-4
Many people don't want to compromise their faith. There are multiple SSPX chapels within 60 miles of me. I don't go.
ReplyDeleteI am with you and other commenters. Most of their priests have not been conditionally ordained. I even know a NO priest who was told by sspx his ordination was "good to go"...pathetic.
DeleteSamson Files (Episode 3) = Sammons-Samson anagram.
ReplyDelete"We can all wish we had a firebrand in there [= as a Vatican white robe], somebody who would, you know, burn everything Francis ever said and stuff like that. It just won't happen. And to be honest, I'm not sure if that would be the best thing to have a firebrand who comes in and burns everything... because I think there'd be a lot of unintended consequences to that. I'm not saying a pope can't, shouldn't, like, sometimes just basically contradict a previous pope if he was wrong about something. But just getting up there and condemning, saying it's all garbage or whatever, it's all heretical -- that's just... that's not good. What Leo will do is he will..." --
Enough, enough. Fair use excerpt. The source of this transcribed text is the "Novus Ordo Watch" blog wire post of 18 June 2025, titled "Is Leo XIV Correcting Francis? Against the Magisterial 'Vibe Shift' of Eric Sammons". Prophetic? Yes, in one way, no doubt about it !!! Sammons seems to have no realization that he is alluding to Samson of Judges 15:3-5. A torch-tail firefox firebrand. Quite a "vibe shift" it will be, when "it" happens. Sammons assures us that "It just won't happen". Wrong, in the long run! But correct as regards Leo Prevost, in the short term. Moreover, it is hard to overlook the fact that "Sammons" is, inter alia, an almost perfect anagram of "Samson".
I am, Anon-Golgotha777333
Why 777333?
ReplyDeleteThe Samson Chronicles (Episode 4) = More anagrams.
ReplyDeleteBefore proceeding to Episode 5, it is worth drawing attention to the fact that in the Wikipedia article "Anagram", we see that the 6 words "Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum" exist as an anagram "Virgo serena, pia, munda et immaculata" = "Serene virgin, pious, clean and spotless". And Pilate's question "Quid est veritas?" = "What is truth?", is anagrammatically answered by "Est vir qui adest" = "It is The Man who is here." -- So "Sammons" is close but no cigar. He needs to cut out an "m" from his name.
It is also curious that the KRS (= Kensington Rune Stone) utilizes "AVM" instead of "BVM", and before "the rosary" in the sense that we now know it, existed. Supposedly, Columbus discovered the Americas in 1492, long before Bergoglio and Prevost were born there. According to the 2001 book "The Kensington Rune Stone : Its Place in History", by Thomas E. Reiersgord (Pogo Press), the KNS, dated to AD 1362 right on the KNS, does indeed derive from 1362, and was probably composed by Cistercian monks from Gotland in Baltic Scandinavia. In 1362, in central Minnesota. Those monks were in Minnesota, and various Vikings all over Canada, long before Columbus "discovered" anything. Some people think that the KNS is a forgery or hoax, but quite a few recent and very scholarly books argue that the KNS and its date, are authentic. Ave Virgo Maria, gratia plena...
To Introibo: Thanks for allowing me space to publish here.
In Christo Domino et Maria Regina, Golgotha-Anon777333.
Interesting anagrams! Yes our history books are a lie.
ReplyDeleteThe Samson Chronicles (Episode 5) = More Anagrams.
ReplyDeleteThe udayton.edu/blogs/ has a blog post of March 5, 2020 by Henry Handley, titled "Marian Anagrams", which notes that Joan Baptista Anyes (1480-1553) composed 100 anagrams of "Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum", one partial anagram of which is "Deipara sum ergo Immaculata", which is said to be roughly translated as "I am the God-bearer therefore [I am] the Immaculate one". - Also, there is a 192 page book titled "Brevarium anagrammaticum : The Latin hymns of the breviary and other famous Latin hymns of the early church turned into metrical anagrams" by Walter Begley (1845-1905) and published posthumously in 1906.
An anagram of "Samson", is "Masons". Someone who was a "Master Mason" of some decorative sort, painted a fresco non-alfresco of what in my opinion is the most significant piece of artwork depicting Samson, from the early church. Pope St. Leo the Great (who reigned from 440 to 461) very probably saw this fresco about Samson with his own two eyes. Nowadays we all get to see it via the Internet. Roma! Rome! That fresco is located in the Catacomb of (the) Via Latina in Rome. Via Latina! Not too far from the "Via della Conciliazione". Just google search: samson jawbone rome catacomb .
To Introibo: Again, thanks for allowing me to publish here.
Anon-Golgotha777333.
Fyi to the person wanting conditional baptism see below re Father traveling down 95 from New England to Maryland.
ReplyDeletePs. I was conditionally baptized yesterday, also the date of my NO baptism. May St John the Baptist pray for us all.
Maryland Mission/TLM trip
I am planning on coming down the coast from New England, ending up just a bit south of Washington DC, before I revese direction. Largely on the I-95 corridor, but can possibly divert as needed.
If there are Catholics in need of a visit from a traditional Catholic priest, possibly even Holy Mass, let me know.
This may be as soon as next week.
God bless you
Fr Robert Letourneau
letourneau17@yahoo.com
olmc-mission.org