Monday, January 6, 2020

When Strangers Come Knocking---Part 5

This is the next installment of my series to be published the first Monday of each month.

There are members of false sects, like Jehovah's Witnesses, that come knocking door-to-door hoping to convert you. Instead of ignoring them, it is we who should try and convert them. In 1 Peter 3:16, our first Pope writes, "But in thy hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks thee to give the reason for the hope that thou hast. But do this with gentleness and respect,..." Before the Great Apostasy, the Church would send missionaries to the ends of the Earth to make as many converts as possible.

Those in false religions don't always come (literally) knocking at your door. It may be a Hindu at work who wants you to try yoga. It could be a "Christian Scientist" who lives next door and invites you to come to their reading room. Each month, I will present a false sect. Unlike the Vatican II sect, I do not see them as a "means of salvation" or possessing "elements of truth" that lead to salvation. That is heresy. They lead to damnation, and the adherents of the various sects must be converted so they may be saved.

In each month's post, I will present one false sect and give an overview of:



  • The sect's history
  • Their theology
  • Tips on how to share the True Faith with them

Wicca
One of the fastest growing religions in the world today is Wicca, commonly known as "witchcraft," or the Craft (always capitalized). According to Newsweek magazine in 2018:

Witchcraft and other pagan religious practices increased in the U.S. over the past few decades, with millennials turning to astrology and tarot cards as they turn away from Christianity and other traditionally dominant Abrahamic religions.

The number of witches and Americans practicing Wicca religious rituals increased dramatically since the 1990s, with several recent studies indicating there may be at least 1.5 million witches across the country. A Trinity College study conducted in 1990 estimated only about 8,000 Wiccans in the U.S., but the increase has been led by a rejection of mainstream Christianity among young Americans as well as a rise in occultism.

With 1.5 million potential practicing witches across the U.S., witchcraft has more followers than the 1.4 million mainline members of the Presbyterian church. (See https://www.newsweek.com/witchcraft-wiccans-mysticism-astrology-witches-millennials-pagans-religion-1221019). 

There are several misconceptions about Wicca. Practitioners of Wicca are not all female; male adherents are called witches also, not "warlocks." While they are occultists, witchcraft or Wicca is not a blanket term for all forms of occult activity. Most do not worship Satan overtly and directly (the large majority deny belief in Satan), and they do not practice human or animal sacrifice. The idea of a witch as an ugly old hag riding a broomstick, was popularized by the 1939 cult classic movie The Wizard of Oz. 

The movie was insidious insofar as it began the ever-growing trend of depicting witches as "good" and evil. All forms of occultism are condemned by God specifically in the Bible and in the teachings of His One True Church. The Wizard of Oz was based on a book of the same name written by Frank Baum, an occultist who claimed he had "channeled" the idea from an other-worldly source. (See Michael Patrick Hearn edition; The Annotated Wizard of Oz, New York: Clarkson N. Potter, [1973]) In the movie, the protagonist (Dorothy) and her friends are following the "yellow brick road." In Heaven, it is said there are "streets of gold" (See Apoc. 21). They go to see the "all knowing, all powerful" Wizard of Oz. Only God is omniscient and omnipotent. It turns out the Wizard is just a fake. (Wiccans denigrate or even deny the Christian God). Lastly, they are told that the power to obtain all they want (courage, brains, a heart, and going home) "lies within"--a common theme in both witchcraft and Satanism; independence from God, you are "god." 

Why the Wiccan revival? Why are Millennials adopting this form of Neo-paganism? These questions will be explored in this post along with a very serious warning--Wiccans are probably living near you, as covens are not necessarily brick and mortar buildings. You could have a witch next door; and they could try and influence your children. 

Generation Hex
Whereas my generation, or Generation X (circa 1961-1981) was more conservative than the Baby Boomers (circa 1946-1960), the Millennials who followed are really lost as they have felt the full impact of a post-Catholic, Vatican II sect world. (I shudder to think of those who come after). What's the attraction? First, an examination of Wicca's history.

Modern Wicca is basically paganism revived. Gerald B. Gardner is credited with the modern day revival of Wicca. Throughout his life Gardner was fascinated with many different aspects of the occult. He had been a follower of the Satanist Aleister Crowley and a member of Crowley’s occult lodge Ordo Templi Orientis. It is known that Gardner copied Crowley’s rites and rituals, which fully embrace and promote his doctrines of Satanism, and presented them as Wiccan. Most Wiccans are unaware of the direct connection to Satanism. (See e.g., Witchcraft Today by Gardener [1954]). 

It is hard to pin down the belief system of modern Wicca because, like Unitarian Universalists, they are a doctrinal melting pot. Here is an overview of most ideals modern witchcraft holds.

Wicca is polytheistic, its pantheon consisting of the "Horned God" which is viewed as the consort of the Goddess, and the Triple Goddess herself, whose aspects are the maiden, the mother, and the crone. It is a form of Neo-paganism, since they derive their impetus from a spiritual re-emergence and restatement of ancient pagan principles. They are:
  • anti-authoritarian: they don't like rules in general.  
  • anti-dogmatic: they have a general belief system that each adherent is free to adopt wholly or partially.
  • the "Wiccan Rede" or "Pagan Ethic," which states "If you harm none, do as thou please." There is no one correct set of ethics. Each witch decides for himself /herself what is right and wrong and what constitutes "harm" to another.
They believe in "tolerance," towards all beliefs, which is seen as a virtue because all beliefs "contain some good." (sounds like the Vatican II document Lumen Gentium). Most interestingly, the "Thirteen Principles of Wiccan Belief," adopted in 1974 by the Council of American Witches states:
  • We seek to live in harmony with Nature, in ecological balance offering fulfillment to life and consciousness within an evolutionary concept. (See Francis' "encyclical" Laudato si).
  • We value sex as pleasure, as the symbol and embodiment of life, and as one of the sources of energies used in magickal (spelled with a "k" magick means the 'art of causing change to occur in conformity with the will' as opposed to sleight of hand magic tricks) practice and religious worship (Therefore homosexuality, bisexuality, and all perversions are encouraged).
  • Our only animosity towards Christianity, or toward any other religion or philosophy of life, is to the extent that its institutions have claimed to be "the only way," and have sought to deny freedom to others and to suppress other ways of religious practice and belief.(Emphasis mine; the hatred they bear for the One True Church should be apparent, and it should be equally obvious why they like the Vatican II sect which eschews dogma for ecumenism).
(See https://www.learnreligions.com/american-council-of-witches-2562880).

Finally, this disclaimer by the Wiccans, "We do not accept the concept of absolute evil, nor do we worship any entity known as 'Satan' or 'the Devil,' as defined by Christian tradition." Really? 1 Corinthians 10:20, "No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want thee to be participants with demons." (Emphasis mine) Notice "thirteen" principles. Covens are ideally composed of 13 members in mockery of Jesus Christ and His twelve Apostles. Covens cast spells which sometimes mock the Eucharist. They often worship in the nude. Women are seen as equals in all aspects to men, and in some places are given greater deference. In a "banishing spell" published in Canadian witch Robin Skelton's book, The Practice of Witchcraft, the first words read as follows: "If this one has hurt this other one, let him be racked with the same pain." (See The Practice of Witchcraft, Press Porcepic Ltd., 1990, pp. 179). So much for "doing no harm." 

 Skelton's book also contains a spell to cause a miscarriage, "Take back this gift. Let the womb release the human fish in its bubbled seas. Unclench the gut. Let the birth run out that none may be hurt in flesh or heart." (Ibid, pgs. 169-170). As a result of feminist ideology inherent within Wicca (seeing the genders as equal or females greater), God the Father is viewed as evil (along with His Only Begotten Son), and so are the Ten Commandments which He gave to Moses. In the Wiccan world, Cain is a hero and so are the Sodomites whom God the Father judged and destroyed. Nevertheless, many Wiccans who join are fooled to believe that they only worship nature, and they can control nature because of a type of pagan pantheism, whereby they can manipulate the "force in all things" (think: Star Wars franchise of movies). 

According to authors Marla Alupoaicei and Dillon Burroughs, in their book entitled Generation Hex: The Subtle Dangers of Wicca, (2008), women and teens especially seem to be attracted to Wicca, they say, because of the amount of "power" the religion promises. Learning to cast spells gives them the feeling that they can control the people who may have authority over them.

Many women also seem attracted to Wicca’s notion that men and women are absolute equals. They do not adhere to a patriarchal structure like in the Bible and the Church. A woman can become a high priestess in the church just as a man can become a high priest, the author says. The religion is also very open to people with "alternative lifestyles" (i.e., sexual perverts) such as sodomites and the whole "LGBTQIA+++" depravity.

Many of the people that Alupoaicei interviewed for the book had also experienced a lot of pain in their lives before turning to Wicca, which suggests a need for revenge. 

Media Indoctrination
The number of television shows and movies that portray Wicca in a positive way is enormous. One need only think of the Harry Potter books and movies as but one very famous example. Just as in The Wizard of Oz, author J.K. Rowling claims to have received her inspiration for Harry Potter from an other worldly source. For Rowling, during a train ride in 1990, she claimed, "I was staring out the window and the idea of Harry Potter just came. He appeared in my mind's eye fully formed." (See Reuters, "Harry Potter Just Strolled into My Head" 7/17/00) She also claims to hear in her head the conversations she writes:  "Dialogue just comes to me as if I'm overhearing a conversation." 
(See http://www.januarymagazine.com/profiles/jkrowling.html) 

Movies and TV shows such as Bewitched, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, The Craft, Practical Magic, and Charmed are only some of the propaganda the public (especially teenagers) receive regarding Wicca. According to one Wiccan source, the two favorite movies of witches are:

The Craft (1996), A newcomer to a Vatican II sect prep high school falls in with a trio of outcast teenage girls who practice witchcraft and they all soon conjure up various spells and curses against those who even slightly anger them. The witches like it because "Teen angst meets magic along with some iconic lines that many witches use in their own life. (i.e. Magic is neither black nor white, it is both because nature is both.)"

Practical Magic (1998), Two witch sisters, raised by their eccentric aunts in a small town, face closed-minded prejudice and a curse which threatens to prevent them ever finding lasting love. The witches like it because "it is the closest thing Hollywood has ever come to real witchcraft. Herbal magic, judgement, finding acceptance within yourself, the wonderful family of women, this movie covers it all." 
(See https://witchwaymagazine.com/blog/2017/09/top-10-witch-showsmovies-according-to-witches/)

This has lead to much disinformation. An article on familyeducation.com entitled "Wicca: Many Girls Find it Spellbinding" had some "facts" about Wicca which are not entirely accurate. It portrays Wicca positively as a "religion, not a cult." I will list their alleged facts (some of which I have truncated to the most important part) in red and comment on each.

  • People who practice Wicca (which is old English for "wise") believe that God has a masculine and feminine side, and that both sides are equal. Basically true, although "God" is not the God of Christianity but of pagan pantheism, "yin and yang."
  • Wiccans strongly believe in the importance of nature and the need to act responsibly in protecting the environment. They are nature worshiping heathens like Bergoglio  
  • They believe in the "supernatural" powers of the mind, including extrasensory perception (ESP), which are believed to be "gifts" available to everyone, not just witches. For those who subscribe to pantheism, this is true enough, but not true of all. Some call on demonic forces
  • They believe in reincarnation. Many do as it comports with pantheistic pagan belief systems
  • Wiccans don't believe in Satan or a Devil. False. Many may not, but some do, or realize there are other forces at work besides "nature."
  • There is no central governing body. Wiccan groups are autonomous. True
  • There are many Wicca sects. Some Wiccans are part of groups called covens; others practice their craft alone. There are no formal sects; those whose beliefs comport most closely stick together and some go it alone
  • Wiccan celebrations, often in the form of services held in peoples' homes, sometimes follow the seasons of the year or phases of the moon. True
  • Wiccans believe in "sacred space," the rough equivalent of a cathedral (which can be created anywhere) in which is cast a "magick circle" to protect them from "negative energy." True
  • Wiccans often wear a pentacle -- a five-pointed star surrounded by a circle -- as a symbol of their beliefs, and liken it to Christians wearing a crucifix or Jews wearing a Star of David. It is a Satanic symbol used in Freemasonry [also called the pentagram] and it is blasphemous to liken it to a Crucifix.  
  • Spells are seen as a form of prayer. "Spells are an integral form of witchcraft, just as confession is in Catholicism," wrote Sonia S., 17, in Teen Voices. Spells and the Sacrament of Penance have nothing in common except that those who use the former are in need of repentance, conversion and then penance. 
  • Wiccan beliefs and practices do not require anyone to give up their faith of origin. Technically true, as they claim all faiths are good (except Traditional Catholicism). Yet how can anyone merge, e.g.,  Protestant religion with Wicca? They are mutually exclusive
Proselytizing Wiccans
First, you must be aware of what they are and not fall for the propaganda. Make sure your children know their Faith, and realize what Neo-paganism/occultism is so as to avoid it. This garbage is ubiquitous, so always monitor what they read and watch.  This will help protect your family.

As to Wiccans themselves:
  • Always pray before engaging them. Especially pray to St Joseph, Terror of demons, and St. Michael the Archangel. Wear a St. Benedict medal-crucifix
  • They are hard to reach as they believe there is no One True Religion for all. They think the Church is "bad" for having "discriminated" and "persecuted" them
  • Do NOT call them Satanists even though they stem from Satan, as they will stop listening to you
  • The best way to approach them is to get them thinking. Ask, "How do you know Wicca is true?" "If all religions are good, why be Wiccan?" "How do you know Christianity is not true?" Be prepared to counter the lies against the Church, and just like Unitarian Universalists, ask what they personally believe. Find out where they stand ideologically. Wiccans are all over the place. You could be talking to an occultist who believes in Satan, or a feminist pagan. It is important to find out what they believe so as to point out the inconsistencies and internal contradictions of their beliefs when combined with being Wiccan. If they are pantheistic, ask how can God be personal, as in Christianity, and also an impersonal force in nature as with pantheism. Wouldn't one need to be true and the other false? That would mean that a Christian does need to give up their beliefs to be a Wiccan, right? 
  • If all religions are basically good, ask them to pray with you! This is the best you can do to one given over to the occult. See if they will accept a Green Scapular
Conclusion
 Wiccans are in desperate need of Christ and His Church. They, unknowingly or otherwise, have Satan and his demons as their leaders. Be careful in what your children watch and read, including such "harmless" books and movies like Harry Potter, and "innocent shows" like the old Bewitched series on television. Do not allow them to associate with those who are Wiccans or dabble in witchcraft. If you engage a witch, please do so only after much prayer and preparation, if possible. There is always time for a quick prayer to St. Michael and St. Joseph, Terror of demons.  There are no "good" witches.

If you don't believe witches are to be taken seriously, remember the Biblical warning, "Witches thou shalt not suffer to live" (Exodus 22:18). 

47 comments:

  1. It's scary how I know a woman who fits the description of this article to the tee. At work she hangs signs from her wall that read things like "who needs Halloween, I'm a witch all year long" etc.

    Thank you for the tips with questions one could ask them. I'm not sure how she would respond, but I know this lady is interested in the druid traditions as well as Scandinavian traditions. A couple of weeks ago I spoke with her and she talked about how she celebrates Yule, how she doesn't believe Christ was born on Dec 25th, how she gives gifts that are handmade or homemade instead of being bought from a store. She once asked me if she could use holy water or other sacramentals when she goes on her ghost hunting overnight stays (which I didn't give her), something she is heavily involved with. As much as I would love to see her conversion, I think it would take a miracle for her to convert. One thing I suggest to your readers is never eat anything they make for you. It's possible they've put a hidden spell on it whether it be "good" or "bad" as they call it. If by chance something is eaten, I suggest blessing oneself with holy water and receiving communion in the state grace asap from a true Catholic priest.

    Lee

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    1. Lee,
      Excellent advice! Thank you for sharing it!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. I have some born again Protestant Evangelical relatives who won't eat any food that has the Kosher "K" because the food is prayed over by Jews. In my opinion this is nonsense. They are so adamant about not eating any "K" food that they forbad me to buy or eat it while I was visiting them in Arizona for 2 weeks. It caused such strife between us that we haven't spoken in over 10 yrs!!
      As far as food having spells cast over it by a Wiccan, etc., that is why we are supposed to Bless our food before eating it! The Lord is my Shepherd and I will fear no evil!

      JoAnn

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    3. Joann,
      A great attitude! However, this calls for some discernment. I agree the prayers of the Jews don’t do anything but food used in occult ceremonies, I personally would avoid. If I was unsure and had nothing else to eat I would indeed pray especially over it and use some Holy Water.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    4. Introibo, I wouldn't even contemplate knowingly eating food used in an occult ceremony. However, if we don't know it was used in such a way we are not responsible or being participatory by eating it.

      JoAnn

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    5. About the Lee comments over food:
      Most of these Wicca spell thing, isn't it just superstition? I tend to believe that in most of these things in Wicca as well as in other cults or religions that claim to have 'spells' or 'sorcerer powers' are just nonsense and wishful thinking.

      What do you think about it, Introibo?

      - Silvio

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    6. Silvio,
      According to Theologian Delaporte those who engage in such things open THEMSELVES up to demonic influence. I’ve seen such influence in the lives of people foolish enough to dabble in Ouija boards, etc.

      Can these people, in turn, have demons do harm to others? In some cases, yes. Parents who curse their children, will often have those children given up to demonic influence/obsession, and even possession.

      What about spells? In some cases it can cause harm. You can protect yourself from such by being in the state of Grace and making frequent use of Sacramentals and staying close to the Sacraments—with a good prayer life. Are most spells inefficacious against others? Probably. However, some are not.

      Remember the words of Scripture “ For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places. “

      We shouldn’t see demons everywhere, yet I agree with Lee that they have a definite influence we ignore at our own risk.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    7. JoAnn,

      I made a distinction about blessing oneself with holy water or receiving communion if one were to eat such food. Blessing your food before every meal is indeed important. My point was when one eats food prepared and made by a witch is to be extra cautious and to do a little more to protect oneself. If you read about exorcisms, devils by means of objects or incantations used, can possess people or bring their presence into somebody's life even if they don't possess them. Once there, they don't go away very easily and a few prayers aren't always good enough. The witch I know makes her own voodoo dolls and believes in harming people she doesn't know. She is a sick and evil person.

      As far as Silvio's comment just calling their claims mere superstitious nonsense and wishful thinking is denying that their spells have any effect. They're invoking the power of the devils whether they realize it or not. It's serious stuff. It's actually wishful thinking to brush off the seriousness of such things.

      Lee

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    8. Introibo,
      "Parents who curse their children, will often have those children given up to demonic influence/obsession, and even possession."
      What type of "cursing" are you referring to - cursing such as swearing at children, or demonic curses/spells?
      JoAnn

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    9. Joann,
      Theologian Delaporte in his theological treatise on “The Devil,” discusses parents who literally ask Satan to take their child under his power. I can’t imagine how depraved parents would need to be to do such a thing. It is a serious invocation of Satan, not swearing at children.

      —-Introibo

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    10. Introibo and Lee, thanks for your insights.
      I don't deny that these Wican spell things could really involve real evil forces. I just sometimes don't give much credit to those average street witches. Where I live, it's very common to see street advertisements with something like "I bring your love back in 3 days". Most of these people are just charlatans but a few of them may really be involved with real devil stuff.

      Thanks again and God bless you!

      - Silvio

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    11. Lee,
      I would not knowingly eat or drink anything made by a witch. If I would unknowingly do so, I am not a being a willing participant and, therefore, not responsible. By doing my part in blessing my food, God and the angels take care of the rest. Just my 2 cents worth!!

      Introibo, Have you ever done an article on Guardian Angels? I know I keep my Guardian Angel very busy!! We need to pray and thank our Guardian Angels, daily.

      JoAnn

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    12. Joann,
      The Holy Guardian Angels is a worthy topic! Hopefully, I can get to it in this new year.

      —-Introibo

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  2. I'm polite & mannerly to anyone who is self indentified Pagan or Satanic is any form.
    Also I will not engage with them in any way unless it's professional.
    The reason is they can feel slighted or insulted whether it's true or not.
    Spells can be cast without your knowledge and it can have a very bad effect upon you.
    God bless - Andrew

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    1. Andrew,
      Your concern is genuine. It’s up to the individual. If they feel that a teenager can be set straight, for example, they may want to try and get them out. God is stronger than Satan!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  3. "If all religions are good, then ask them to pray with you". But he who prays with heretics is an heretic. Maybe you tell them to pray Catholic prayers, but not with you -.--

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    1. Poni,
      Absolutely! Not to “pray in common” but to have them pray Catholic prayers!!

      —-Introibo

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  4. A woman in her 30's moved in across the street from me a couple of years ago. I tried to be friendly to her as she has a dog similar to mine. She was in the Army and served in Iraq. I was wearing a Crucifix when first talking with her and I kept noticing she was glaring and giving mean looks at the Crucifix. I figured she didn't like Christians, but that was all. When Halloween time came around she decorated her patio, backyard and front lawn profusely. She also put Halloween decorations all over the front and back of her vehicle! When Christmas time came around she did no decorating whatsoever, not even a tree. I had a a hip replacement a few months ago and was talking with her and telling her about being in the hospital. She asked me what hospital I was in and when I said "St. Joseph's" she literally jumped backward!! She evidentially has an aversion to anything Christian. Perhaps she is a Wiccan?

    JoAnn

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    1. Joann,
      That woman probably was Wiccan!!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. Introibo, Reflecting on the possible Wiccan neighbor's reaction to the Crucifix I was wearing and later her reaction when I mentioned "St. Joseph's", I would say she was the one afraid.

      JoAnn

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    3. Joann,
      As she should be against a True Catholic like you calling upon the Patron of the Catholic Church—St Joseph, TERROR of demons!!

      —-Introibo

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    4. So a woman gave evil glances at a crucifix and put some pumpkins on her porch so she must be a wiccan? Oh yeah this is definitely a Sedevacantist blog ha ha ha. Good stuff! Keep em coming Intro.

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    5. @anon6:28
      I never said she MUST be Wiccan. Given the facts that :
      *she makes a big deal over Halloween (A big Wiccan holiday)
      * shows indifference at best to things Christian
      * and an aversion (to the point of jumping back) at the name of St Joseph

      It is probable that she is Wiccan or pagan or Satanic.

      Likewise I can tell you are probably not Sedevacantist because you:

      * don’t read and comprehend well
      * have poor reasoning skills
      *disparage a Sede blog

      Put it all together and it’s not too hard to discern!

      —-Introibo

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    6. Anon @6:28 - Some NO Churches in the City where I reside have advertised along side the local Satanists society to march in a LGBT parade. Perhaps you fall under the category of such Satanic friendly NO's?
      JoAnn

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  5. There is good information as usual here, Intro.
    I have started to look at the plotlines of (mostly old) movies as propaganda vehicles for furthering modern agendas; and I also believe that TWOO is one movie whose masonic ideas are hidden in plain sight. I remember seeing it as a child in it's first TV run, and though very drawn into and moved by it, I thought for some reason - how foolish of the characters who seemed not to believe in God, or prayer. Also, looking back, that movie appears to forward a feminist agenda where the female characters have more goodness and strength of character than the males, except for the wicked witch who was evil but also the most powerful. It truly does push Naturalistic philosophy on several levels.
    There's so much food for thought on this article, too, from your readers' responses that it raises a question for me: if one tries to engage a known wiccan, or a secret wiccan to whom one may unknowingly give offense, is one really at the mercy of some spell the wiccan may cast? IOW, does God give/allow evil persons some kind of supernatural agency over the innocent? If so, why? Under what conditions does He, and what are the limits He will allow? Could you give me a better insight about that, Intro?
    Thanks
    - Jannie

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    1. Jannie,
      God does allow Satan to have his say as the “prince of this world.” One must never dabble in the occult; that is inviting Satan into your life. Is it possible for Wiccans to hurt people through a spell or “maleficium.” Possible, but those in the state of Grace and fortified by the Sacraments and sacramentals will find powerful protection.

      I do not suggest engaging a Wiccan unless they engage you; now you must stand up for Christ. I also make an exception to try and rescue a teenager and/or relative that has fallen into Wicca.

      For a more in detail examination please see my post:
      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-malice-and-snares-of-devil.html?m=1

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  6. Introibo, I know many Evangelical Protestants who are adamant that drinking alcohol and/or smoking cigarettes is a sin that will keep one out of heaven. Some of them go as far as to say that anyone who drinks or smokes is controlled by demons or demon possessed. They use the following Bible verse to substantiate their beliefs:
    "Wherefore, come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing."
    Also, most of the Evangelicals that I know seem to think that drinking and smoking are the worst of sins or the only sins one needs to give up as other sins are mostly ok.
    Can you please explain the meaning of the above Bible verse and how to refute the Evangelicals? Thanks.

    JoAnn

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    1. Joann,
      Theologian Jone (and all other approved theologians) teach that drinking is ok as long as there is no drunkenness. Slight intoxication or being tipsy is a venial sin. Total intoxication is mortal sin. There was no teaching on smoking per se because not enough of the harmful effects were known. Hence, temperate drinking is no sin, and smoking should be given up as it harms the body, but I will not (and cannot) invent mortal sins where the Church has not definitively taught such. (See Moral Theology [1962], pgs. 56-58).

      As to the Bible verse in question it is 2 Corinthians 6:17. Theologian Haydock the verse, taken in context, St Paul is telling the Corinthians to stop going to their religious feasts which were pagan and had meats offered to idols (See Comprehensive Catholic Commentary on the New Testament, pg. 1527).

      If drinking (not drunkenness) were a sin, why did Christ turn water into wine at the wedding at Cana? God would be an accomplice in sin, which is impossible. Christ also drank wine with the Apostles at the Last Supper.

      Smoking is not mentioned in the Bible. They may assume it is included among other verses such as 1 Corinthians 6:19:
      “Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,..”

      They will argue that you must take reasonable good care of your body; and they are correct. Yet, since they have no Magisterium, only their own private interpretations, ask them if they ever eat candy which is unhealthy. Is smoking actually mentioned? If you can have a little candy why can’t I have a few cigarettes ?

      Hope this helped!

      —-Introibo

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    2. Correction: Theologian Haydock says the verse taken in context is about the Corinthians consorting with pagans and going to THEIR religious feasts eating meats offered to idols.

      ——Introibo

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    3. Introibo,
      Thanks so much for the above explanation!
      Regarding drinking alcohol, the Evangelicals insist that it was NOT wine Christ used at the Last Supper or drank, but "grape juice"!! How can that be refuted?? (Dealing with these people is incredibly difficult)

      JoAnn

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    4. Joann,
      Go back to the wedding at Cana. Christ turned water to WINE not grape juice, and gave it for people to drink. Unthinkable if drinking were sinful!

      —-Introibo

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    5. Introibo, It is hard to believe, but when the wedding at Cana is quoted to these Protestants they actually claim it wasn't wine that Christ turned the water into but grape juice. They claim it is a mistranslation of the Bible. That wine should have been translated "grape juice". How can they be refuted regarding their stance on the mistranslation belief?
      Thanks.

      JoAnn

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    6. Joann,
      The Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..."

      How can you get DRUNK on grape juice. There’s not one reputable Bible scholar who translates the word as “grape juice.”

      —-Introibo

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    7. Introibo, Don't understand how the Protestants come up with this stuff. Some are fanatical about drinking any amount of alcohol,but multiple divorces and marriages, women pastors, and once saved always saved are fine. Makes me so thankful for the Traditional Catholic Faith and true Popes!!
      JoAnn

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    8. JoAnn,

      You could ask the Protestant who said it was a mistranslation of the bible and by what authority do they determine to make such a claim.

      Better yet you can ask them what year or time period did the Bible first come into existence and then proceed to ask them how it came into existence and by whose authority it came into existence.

      Lee

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    9. Joann,
      It’s interesting how these “Bible only” Protestants literally make things up to suit them. You gave excellent examples!

      —-Introibo

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  7. The blasphemy of God participating in sin is not new in protestant theology. No free will, humans don´t choose their sins..... who chooses them?

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  8. Introibo, I have an acquaintance who was raised a pre-Vatican Catholic. She has converted to Protestantism, namely Presbyterian. She keeps trying to get me to go to her Church to hear her sing. I refuse to go and tell her I am a pre-Vatican II Traditional Catholic. She then always tells me "God loves Catholics too"! We recently had an exchange over Purgatory. She claims there is no Purgatory and that the Catholic Church made it up to get money. She also says that Christ covers us with his righteousness the moment we are justified, and therefore God sees us as he sees his Son, Jesus. How can I refute her?
    Thanks!

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    1. Joann,
      That would take a whole post, but I will try to give you a terse response.

      1. Ask her if you need the Bible to be a good Christian. She will say yes.

      2. Since Christians were around since the death of Christ in 33AD, but the Bible was not even complete—let alone published!— until the year 100, does that mean there were no Christians from 33 to 100?

      The Church is the custodian of truth and was complete before the Bible. We get Christians from following the Church which interprets the Bible.

      3. The Protestant Bible has 66 books but the Catholic Bible has 73 books. Who decides what books are inspired?

      4. One of the excluded books by the Protestants is 2 Maccabees. In verse 12-39-46, Purgatory is mentioned indirectly which is why Luther rejected it. It reads, “ It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.“

      As to belief in Christ without works there are bible verses that say contrary, such as

      St. Matthew 19:16-19, “ … If you would enter life, keep the commandments… You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

      St Matthew 12:36-37, “ I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter; for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

      And St Matthew 7:21 tell us that Our Lord said, “ Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. ”

      What's the “Will of the Father we must DO? The Ten Commandments He gave to Moses! Seems there’s a lot more than mere belief in Christ alone going on.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. What a phoniness. So Jesus disguise us as Him an lies to His Father?

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    3. Introibo, Thanks much! Very interesting about the book of Maccabees. I much prefer to engage a Novus Ordoite in conversation regarding the Faith than these Protestants. The NO's may be exasperating, but the Protestants are just downright brainwashed and very convoluted due to their many different religions and interpretations of the Bible. They literally make my headache!
      JoAnn

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    4. Poni, You are so right - phoniness indeed. It is their excuse to do and sin all they want and think they are righteous. The Protestant person above that I have been conversing with has been married 4 times and thinks it is ok!! They are very deluded.
      JoAnn

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    5. But don´t be discouraged, i also get very angry with protestants, but they can still be saved.

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  9. "nor do we worship any entity known as 'Satan' or 'the Devil,' as defined by Christian tradition."

    They could theoretically be worshipping another demon, like .. pythonic spirits? Apollyon? (Not sure if they are same demon just bc same god to pagans - but Delphic Apollo has a blackbook in Greek tragedy qualifying him very well as Apollyon).

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