Monday, March 15, 2021

A "Bugnini-Free" Holy Week

 


As of the publication of this post, we are less than two weeks away from Palm Sunday. Some Traditionalist priests and bishops will be telling you to have a "Bugnini-free" Holy Week. They proudly reject the Revised Order of Holy Week, promulgated in 1955 by Pope Pius XII and taking effect in 1956. The primary reason for the rejection of the changes lies in the fact that in 1948 there was a Commission for Liturgical Reform with Father Annibale Bugnini as Secretary; the man who would later become a primary composer of the Novus Bogus "mass" of 1969. 

Annibale Bugnini (1912-1982), was a priest and theologian. Ordained in 1936, he went on to get his Doctorate in Sacred Theology (STD) from the Angelicum University in 1938. He had a major role in drafting the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Sacrosanctum Concillium, produced by the Robber Council Vatican II. In January 1964, Montini ("Pope" Paul VI) appointed Bugnini Secretary of the Council for the Implementation of the Constitution on the Liturgy. On February 13, 1972, Montini himself "consecrated" Bugnini as a  "bishop" according to the defective and invalid Rite the false pope approved in 1968. There is substantial evidence that Bugnini was a Freemason; a charge he denied. According to historian Yves Chiron, Bugnini is said to have replied, "I would never have taken that step." (See Annibale Bugnini: Reformer of the Liturgy, [2016], pg. 174). That reply is rather telling. Rather than a strong condemnation of a Satanic secret society, he makes it seem like he refrained from doing so for some "pragmatic reason." Even if , ad arguendo, Bugnini was not a Freemason, he was a rabid Modernist who hated the Catholic Faith, and had quite the reputation for being deceitful. 

The Society of St. Pius V (SSPV) along with Bishop Dolan, the late Fr. Cekada, and other Traditionalist clergy, make the claim that the Revised Order of Holy Week was the work of Modernist/Mason Bugnini. Bishop Dolan wrote an article entitled Pre-Vatican II Liturgical Changes: Road to the New Mass, with the first subheading stating "Was it Pius XII and John XXIII? Or was it really Bugnini?"(See traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=36&catname=6). Roncalli (John XXIII) is of no concern because he was a false pope, and any changes he made to the liturgy should be ignored as he had no authority to change anything. However, unless you are a "Vacancy Pusher," (i.e., one who pushes the time of the papal vacancy pre-1958) then the Reformed Rites of Holy Week, enacted by a true pope (Pope Pius XII), should be accepted, right? 

What at first blush seems to be a no-brainer, is made into a hot point of contention by these clerics. They make several claims that the pre-Pian Order of Holy Week is to be used, to wit:
  • Bugnini, the Modernist/Mason, was behind the Revised Order of Holy Week and crafted it
  • The Revised Rites of Holy Week "led to" the abomination of the Novus Bogus
  • The Revised Rites contain principles which "became harmful over time" and therefore "cease to bind"
  • We can't appeal to "the last true pope" for guidance since we cannot be sure Roncalli and (early) Montini were not true popes, so if we appeal to the standard of "the last true pope"we wind up with more changes through early 1964. Those changes were destructive. 
  • Epikeia tells us that if we had a true pope (Pius XII), or a true successor, they would abolish the Revised Rites in light of what we now know
  • The Revised Rites "lack stability" necessary for a law to be maintained
  • The Church has no authority to make changes to the liturgy, especially such noble Rites from antiquity
Not all of the above comes from Bishop Dolan or the SSPV, but it is a compendium of reasons I've heard and/or read from all those who reject the Pian Holy Week. The Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (CMRI), and other independent Traditionalist clergy accept the Pian Holy Week. If there is to be unity among Traditionalists so as to get back a true pope, I think agreeing on Holy Week is as good place to start. As Fr. DePauw told me, "We should accept everything in the Church as it was on October 9, 1958 [the day Pope Pius XII died] and reject all that came after." I think it is a good starting principle. In this post, I will demonstrate why the Revised Holy Week of Pope Pius XII should be accepted by Traditionalists. 

There is one consideration to be kept in mind; all the clergy who reject the Revised Rites of Holy Week accept Pope Pius XII as the last known true pope of the Roman Catholic Church who reigned from March 2, 1939 until his death on October 9, 1958. 

Can the Church Change the Mass and/or Other Liturgical Rites?
1. The Church cannot change the substance of the Sacraments.
It is well-known that to the Church there belongs no right whatsoever to innovate anything on the substance of the Sacraments-- (See Pope St. Pius X, Ex Quo Nono, 1910). 

For these Sacraments instituted by Christ Our Lord, the Church in the course of the centuries never substituted other Sacraments, nor could she do so, since, as the Council of Trent teaches (Conc. Trid., Sess. VII, can. 1, De Sacram, in genere), the seven Sacraments of the New Law were all instituted by Jesus Christ Our Lord, and the Church has no power over “the substance of the Sacraments,” that is, over those things which, as is proved from the sources of divine revelation, Christ the Lord Himself established to be kept as sacramental signs... If it [the handing over of the instruments of sacrifice] was at one time necessary even for validity by the will and command of the Church, every one knows that the Church has the power to change and abrogate what she herself has established.---(See Pope Pius XII, Sacramentum Ordinis, (1947), para. #1, and 3; Emphasis mine). 

2. What constitutes the "substance of the Sacraments"? 
According to theologian Leeming, "Whatever Christ Himself has instituted...by common consent of the theologians, a more specific definition must include the signification of the Sacrament, i.e., what the Sacrament is meant to do, what grace it gives; which signification must be expressed in some external rite." (See Principles of Sacramental Theology, [1956], pg. 424). 

Therefore, the Church could not change bread and wine for the Eucharist, or alter the Words of Consecration. Nor could She substitute milk for water in Baptism or replace the Trinitarian formula as the form.  

3. The pope has the authority to change all Rites as long as the substance of the sacraments remains untouched.
Canon 1257 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law states that "Only the Apostolic See has the right to regulate the liturgy [i.e., the ritual of public worship] and to approve liturgical books. (See canonists Abbo and Hannon, The Sacred Canons, [1952], 2:512).  

 It follows from this that the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification.--(See Pope Pius XII, Mediator Dei, para. #58; Emphasis mine).

4. The Council of Trent did not rule out changes to to the Mass and liturgical ceremonies.
CANON VII.--If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema.

That canon in no way states or implies that by making changes, the Pontiff who makes such changes is thereby asserting that the former ceremonies, vestments, and signs were  deficient or incentives to impiety. 

5. Quo Primum of Pope St. Pius V did not preclude future changes to the Mass. 
Fr. DePauw used to cite Quo Primum (1570) as a means of getting people away from the Vatican II sect. When the local Vatican II sect clergy would tell people to stay away from "schismatic, evil, and disobedient" Fr. DePauw, he would cite the Bull of St. Pius V to say "Every priest can offer the True Mass--Pope St. Pius V said so!" For simple Catholics with little theological formation and wanting to remain true to the Church--it put their mind at ease and they by and large ignored the traitorous clergy of the Vatican II sect. Fr. DePauw himself (as an approved pre-Vatican II canonist) knew that it did not mean that no changes could be made; only that non-Catholic changes are excluded as the Church always taught. The language of Quo Primum sounds foreboding:

... whereas, by this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever, We order and enjoin that nothing must be added to Our recently published Missal, nothing omitted from it, nor anything whatsoever be changed within it under the penalty of Our displeasure...

Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Would anyone, however, presume to commit such an act, he should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.

"Valid henceforth, now and forever..."does not mean it can not be changed in the future, nor does "no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition" mean that a future pope cannot change it. It is what we call in civil law "boilerplate language." It means that no cleric, except for Pope St. Pius V or a future pope can change it. How do we know this to be the case?

(a) No canonist or theologian ever taught that Quo Primum meant the Mass could never change. No one even gave that document a second thought until Fr. DePauw used it for a specific purpose as the Great Apostasy began.

(b) Pope Pius XII and the Code of Canon Law would be in error for teaching that the Supreme Pontiff can "recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification." However, they are not wrong because the Church is infallible in Her universal disciplinary laws, such as the 1917 Code of Canon Law. (More on this aspect of infallibility later on). 

(c) In the very front of every pre-Vatican II Missale Romanum, after Quo Primum, is the decree Cum Sanctissimum of Pope  Clement VIII (1604). Only 34 years after Quo Primum, changes were made. Some assert these changes were merely "restorations" from accretions to the Missal and nothing was added. This is demonstrably false. To give but two examples of additions:

1570: The prayer of St. Ambrose, Summe Sacerdos, is not divided into parts.
1604: The Summe Sacerdos is divided into sections for various days of the week.

1570: The general rubrics are not numbered. Within the general rubrics there is no mention of ringing a bell, incense or torchbearers.
1604: The general rubrics are numbered. Ringing a bell, incense and torchbearers are included in the rubrics along with additions such as describing the preparation required for the altar.

(See Paul Cavendish, in an article for Altar No. 1, 1994 "The Tridentine Mass"). 

5. Doesn't this vindicate the Novus Bogus "mass"? Why oppose those changes?
It does nothing to legitimize the Novus Bogus for two reasons:
(a) It was not promulgated by a true pope and was based on the heretical decrees of a Robber Council with no authority, and;
(b)  there were changes to the substance of the sacraments and incentives to impiety. 

The Church is Infallible in Her Universal Disciplinary Laws

According to theologian Van Noort, "The Church's infallibility extends to the general discipline of the Church...it can never sanction a universal law which would be at odds with faith or morality or would by its very nature conducive to the injury of souls...The Church's infallibility extends to the general discipline of the Church...By the term "general discipline of the Church" are meant those ecclesiastical laws passed for the direction of Christian worship and Christian living." (See Dogmatic Theology, 2: 114-115; Emphasis mine).

According to theologian Hermann, "The Church is infallible in her general discipline. By the term general discipline is understood the laws and practices which belong to the external ordering of the whole Church. Such things would be those which concern either external worship, such as liturgy and rubrics, or the administration of the sacraments…" ( See Institutiones Theologiae Dogmaticae 1:258; Emphasis mine).

Therefore, to be infallible in this sense means that the Church cannot give that which is erroneous, evil, or an incentive to impiety. It does not mean that once a certain ceremony has been adopted by the Church it cannot change; rather, the new ceremony will also be infallibly guaranteed to be free from error, evil, and impiety.  Logical corollary: If the Pian Holy Week was approved by a true pope (Pope Pius XII), then it must be good, holy, and Catholic. 

Objection: Bugnini was behind those Rites, and Modernists/Masons are evil. 

Yes, Bugnini was one of the primary creators, but a true pope is protected by the Holy Ghost from all error in promulgating universal disciplinary laws for Christian worship. ("Universal" means not limited to a particular territory, it does not mean it is binding on all Catholics. Hence, since the Revised Rites of Holy Week are binding on all Latin Rite Catholics everywhere, it is a universal or general law of the Church--See canonist Bouscaren, Canon Law: A Text and Commentary, [1951], pg. 27). Not everything to come out from that Commission was approved. Bugnini was no doubt trying to put in some bad things with some good. Yet, the Holy Ghost would only allow that which was good to be promulgated.  If Pius XII was pope, the Holy Ghost protected all Pius did in the Liturgy. Bugnini can say 2+2=4 and he's not automatically wrong because he's a Freemason.

In his article The Pius XII Reforms: More on the Legal Issue, Fr. Cekada writes, "The 1950s liturgical legislation introduced these things here and there, and on a limited basis. Taken individually, none was evil in itself." 
(See traditionalmass.org/images/articles/P12MoreLegal.pdf). 

Then how do they become harmful as a whole? This is never even attempted to be explained by those rejecting the Pian Rites. Ironically, this comes after what amounts to a litany of charges as to what is seriously wrong and/or deficient in various aspects of the Revised Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, and Holy Saturday. Fr. Ricossa, in his article Liturgical Revolution, has a bulleted list of twelve "other innovations" of the 1955 Holy Week, all of which were "used and taken advantage of [in] the 1955 Holy Week rites to test their [Modernists] revolutionary experiments before applying them to the whole liturgy." Yet, none of these innovations, (we are assured) was "evil in itself." However, taken as a whole (we are once more assured), they became "evil over time." 

In his just referenced article, Fr. Cekada lists certain "false principles and practices," such as: the vernacular may be an integral part of the liturgy, the priest’s role is reduced, lay participation must ideally be vocal, etc.--much like Fr. Ricossa. These were incorporated into the Novus Bogus of 1969. If a principle is wrong, it's always wrong, and does not become wrong. If the vernacular may never be an integral part of the liturgy, then it was wrong when Pope Pius XII introduced it, which is impossible, unless you want to say he wasn't pope. To give another example, if genuflecting on Good Friday for the Jews is false in principle, then how could it be "not evil in itself" in 1956, but the same exact practice somehow became evil in 1969? It could only be wrong when promulgated by Pope Pius XII in 1955 (impossible unless you are a Vacancy Pusher), or it was never wrong. 

The application of the principle may be wrong, but not the principle itself.  Therefore, there was nothing that could have "become harmful." To use an analogy, praying to saints is good and laudatory. Certain "High Church" Anglican heretics, offer their invalid and heretical liturgy in honor of St. Thomas More as a "Martyr of the Reformation (sic)." The dishonoring of St. Thomas More through a false service that equates him with others who were Protestants in no way derogates from the principle that praying to saints is good, or that honoring St. Thomas More is in some way "rendered harmful" because of what some heretics have done.

Therefore, the Pian Holy Week could not be evil if promulgated by a true pope. Its detractors have also failed miserably in their attempt to prove it became "harmful over time."

Objection: Well, then what about the later changes of John XXIII and Paul VI? Roncalli might have been pope, and maybe even Montini prior to signing Lumen Gentium in 1964. Why not follow those changes?

I don't believe for one second that Roncalli or Montini ever attained to the papacy. Conceding, ad arguendo, they did, we nevertheless have good reason to doubt the validity of Roncalli's and Montini's election on several counts. As theologian Szal explains, "Nor is there any schism if one merely transgresses a Papal law for the reason that one considers it too difficult, or if one refuses obedience inasmuch as one suspects the person of the Pope or the validity of his election, or if one resists him as the civil head of a state." (See The Communication of Catholics with Schismatics, CUA Press, [1948], pg. 2; Emphasis mine).  Since we can suspect the elections of Roncalli and Montini, we can safely disregard their "laws" at any stage. Not so Pope Pius XII. 

Objection: Pope Pius XII may not really have signed his approval. He was sick and perhaps not in his right mind or manipulated.

This is mere speculation without any evidence. Without evidence to the contrary, we should accept Pope Pius XII as in his right mind. Only a qualified psychiatrist  at that time could make such a determination. Moreover, there are two facts that weigh heavily against the idea that Pius was not in his right mind: (a) even the Revised Holy Week detractors admit the changes are not evil in themselves and (b) no Catholics were shocked or objected to them as was the case with the Novus Bogus in 1969. Had Pope Pius XII lost his use of reason, he couldn't function as pope and Bugnini would have put through changes that were evil per se. Finally, a true pope is protected by the Holy Ghost against manipulation in these matters. 

Did the Revised Holy Week "Lead To The Novus Bogus"?

Did the dogma of Purgatory lead to Protestantism? It's a ridiculous argument. Proper principles were misapplied. To help the people better understand the Sacred Mysteries of three days out of the year, the vernacular was used in some parts. This hardly translates to throwing out Latin and using only the vernacular all the time. Fr. Cekada produced a video in which he concedes that the changes made were not evil or heretical, but since Montini claimed they were the first step towards the Novus Bogus "mass," they should no longer be used because they give credibility to that notion. Pius agrees, and Fr. Cekada returns to 2018. The video can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmsEOsohZKM. Actually, the argument works the exact opposite to what Fr. Cekada states. Since the reforms of Pope Pius XII were not the first steps to the "new mass," Montini lied (no surprise there). By refusing to use those reforms, it makes their rejection seem to stem from the fact that they were the first steps to the Novus Bogus "mass"---why else would you reject them? Furthermore, please explain to me how a false mass of a false pope, created by a false sect came about from true reforms initiated by a true pope. It's nonsensical. 

Heretics routinely appeal to true teachings to justify their heresy. The wicked document Lumen Gentium of Vatican II contains the heretical ecclesiology that is the basis of the Vatican II sect. There are citations within that "document from Hell" to St. Thomas Aquinas, Pope Pius XII, and Pope Leo XIII (to name but three orthodox Catholic authorities). Did the teachings of Aquinas, Pope Pius XII and Pope Leo XIII somehow "lead to" the heretical ecclesiology of Vatican II? The very idea is absurd. 

Did the Pian Rites "Cease to Bind"?
There are two reason given for the argument that the Revised Rites cease to bind: (a) they became harmful over time (I have already shown this to be false), and (b)they lack "stability" and were not meant to be permanent. The Code of Canon Law deals with laws that cease to bind intrinsically in Canon 21. According to canonists Abbo and Hannon, "There should be in every law an element of permanence. But it is not necessary that a law should be perpetual...A law ceases to exist when it ceases to be reasonable...If not the whole purpose, but only the partial purpose of the law is defeated, the law survives..." (See The Sacred Canons, [1952]1:43-44).  Stability is something that a law should (not must) possess, and there is no express time set down. The Pian Holy Week was in effect for five years (1956-1960, inclusive) before Roncalli started doing real damage. Is five years enough to say it ceases to bind? There is no citation to any competent authority by the anti-Revised Holy Week clerics that sets up a definitive time. There is also no attempt to show the law is (a) unreasonable, or (b) lost its entire purpose.

Objection: What about epikeia as a basis of rejection?

According to canonist Bouscaren:
Epikeia is an interpretation exempting one from the law contrary to the clear words of the law and in accordance with the mind of the legislator. It is evidently a very exception thing. It may be used with prudent discretion, and is justified, only in a particular case where: (a) the strict interpretation of the law would work great hardship; and (b) in view of the usual interpretation it may be prudently conjectured that, in this particular case, the legislator would not wish the law to be strictly applied. (See Canon Law: A Text and Commentary, [1951], pgs. 33-34). 

One must be careful when invoking epikeia, for as theologians McHugh and Callan note:
There is the danger that one may be wrong in judging that the lawgiver did not wish to include a case under his law. If this is not certain, one should investigate to the best of one’s ability, and have recourse, if possible, to the legislator or his representative for a declaration or dispensation. It is never lawful to use epikeia without reasonable certainty that the legislator would not wish the law to apply here and now. (See Moral Theology [1924]1:141).

The burden of proof is clearly on those invoking epikeia to prove with reasonable certainty that Pope Pius XII wouldn't want his reforms to continue by virtue of great hardship or in view of the usual interpretation, he would want them to cease. I have seen no such evidence--only blind conjecture and speculation. 

An Examination of the Revised Holy Week: Truly Catholic 

1. Why Revise the Ancient Rites?
The Sacred Congregation of Rites put forth a document Maxima Redemptionis Nostrae Mysteria, which set forth the Revised Order of Holy Week. It was approved and promulgated by His Holiness Pope Pius XII on November 19, 1955 and would take effect starting with Holy Week in 1956. 
It states:

In the beginning these rites were celebrated on the same days of the week and at the same hours of the day at which the sacred mysteries took place. Thus the institution of the Most Holy Eucharist was recalled on Thursday, in the evening, at the solemn Mass of the Lord’s Supper. On Friday a special liturgical service of the Lord’s Passion and Death was celebrated in the afternoon hours. Finally, on the evening of Holy Saturday the solemn vigil was begun, to be concluded the following morning in the joy of the Resurrection.

But in the middle ages, for various concomitant reasons, the time for observing the liturgy of these days began to be anticipated to such a degree that – toward the end of the middle ages – all these liturgical solemnities were pushed back to the morning hours; certainly with detriment to the liturgy’s meaning and with confusion between the Gospel accounts and the liturgical representations referring to them. The solemn liturgy of the Easter Vigil especially, having been torn from its own place in the night hours, lost its innate clarity and the sense of its words and symbols. Furthermore, the day of Holy Saturday, invaded by a premature Easter joy, lost its proper sorrowful character as the commemoration of the Lord’s burial.

While the Church must never conform to the world, She sometimes has to make it easier to reach those most in need of Her doctrines and sacraments. There were very few people in the increasingly pagan, modern world who could get the time off work to attend these grace-laden rights. People also need to get up for work on Friday, and even on Saturday, so some shortened prayers and ceremonies still are holy and convey the truth while meeting the needs of the people. It is also more solemn to celebrate Good Friday during the actual time Christ died for our sins. People could now attend Maundy Thursday and Holy Saturday--maybe even taking just a half-day off work and make Good Friday services as well.

There is a tendency among Traditionalists to eschew any change as evil in reaction to the Great Apostasy and the Vatican II sect. It reminds me of the time in Church history during the 1940s, when exposure to different religions in America, combined with crypto-Modernists in the hierarchy, led to spreading the heretical idea that the Church wasn't really necessary to salvation and everyone was saved by some ersatz "Baptism of Desire." Going into heresy on the opposite side, Leonard Feeney and his evil followers denied the true teaching of Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood in an overblown reaction. We must remember the axiom, In medio stat veritas---"In the middle lies the truth."

Pope Pius XII reduced the number of lessons recited from twelve to four, reverting to the practice of St. Gregory the Great. The holy pontiff extended the duration of Lent (and thereby the Lenten fast) until midnight when Holy Saturday becomes Easter Sunday. In so doing, there was a full 40 day fast, not 39 and one-half day fast. Abstinence for Holy Saturday was all day to midnight as well. It also ensured Holy Saturday retained its mournful character, as opposed to dressing in white and singing alleluias while Our Lord's Body lies in the Holy Sepulcher. 

In 1954, Pope Pius XII revised the Divine Office, omitting several prayers before the hours (Pater Noster, Ave Maria, and Credo), the preces at Lauds and Vespers (with some exceptions), etc. The purpose of these modifications, according to the Sacred Congregation of Rites, was "to reduce the complexity of the rubrics to a simpler form." Many of these changes had already been introduced into the Monastic Breviary by Pope St. Pius X (not exactly a "Modernist"). Through the influence of the Benedictines, Pope Pius XII extended those changes to all clergy, who welcomed them to more faithfully and devoutly fulfil their recitational duty. 

Pope Pius XII allowed the faithful to receive Holy Communion on Good Friday at the Mass of the Presanctified. Fr. Ricossa dares to (erroneously) assert that this change was condemned by Pope St. Pius X. In Father's article Liturgical Revolution, he writes:

 On Good Friday, communion was now distributed, contrary to the tradition of the Church, and condemned by St. Pius X when people had wanted to initiate this practice

The decree  Sacra Tridentina: On Frequent and Daily Reception of Holy Communion, promulgated on December 20, 1905, in no way says what Fr. Ricossa claims when read in context. Jansenism, a heretical movement beginning in France during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, discouraged frequent Communion. Pope St. Pius X referred to this problem in his decree:

Piety, however, grew cold, and especially afterward because of the widespread plague of Jansenism, disputes began to arise concerning the dispositions with which one ought to receive frequent and daily Communion; and writers vied with one another in demanding more and more stringent conditions as necessary to be fulfilled. The result of such disputes was that very few were considered worthy to receive the Holy Eucharist daily, and to derive from this most health-giving Sacrament its more abundant fruits; the others were content to partake of it once a year, or once a month, or at most once a week. To such a degree, indeed, was rigorism carried that whole classes of persons were excluded from a frequent approach to the Holy Table, for instance, merchants or those who were married. 

Jansenism required such rigorous standards of preparation because of its overall belief “that there are some commands of God which just men cannot keep, no matter how hard they wish and strive” as stated in one of the five propositions of Jansenism condemned by Pope Innocent X in 1653.

Pope St. Pius X wrote that several of his predecessors in the papacy had made statements against these rigorist views:

The poison of Jansenism, however, which, under the pretext of showing due honor and reverence to the Eucharist, had infected the minds even of good men, was by no means a thing of the past. The question as to the dispositions for the proper and licit reception of Holy Communion survived the declarations of the Holy See, and it was a fact that certain theologians of good repute were of the opinion that daily Communion could be permitted to the faithful only rarely and subject to many conditions. (Emphasis mine).

The saintly pope condemned those who (like Feeneyites would do) went to the opposite extreme:

They held that daily Communion was prescribed by divine law and that no day should pass without communicating, and besides other practices not in accord with the approved usage of the Church, they determined that the Eucharist must be received even on Good Friday and in fact so administered it.(Emphasis mine). 

What Pope St. Pius X condemned was the idea by some that daily Communion was demanded by Divine precept and for that reason, demanded (and gave) Holy Communion on Good Friday against the current discipline in the Church. The pope condemned "people [who]  had wanted to initiate this practice" because they held to the heretical notion of daily Communion mandated by Divine Law. Pope St. Pius X never condemned the idea of receiving Holy Communion on Good Friday per se. 

2. Other Wise Reforms

Evening Mass and Modified Eucharistic Fast
Pope Pius modified the Eucharistic fast because (a) he had every right to do so as Supreme Legislator, and (b) there was good reason for it. With the increasing secularization of the world, people had to work on Holy Days of Obligation, and sometimes on Sundays (police officers, doctors in hospitals, etc.) with it being harder and harder to take off and make ends meet for their families. They had to miss Mass and say an extra Rosary that night and/or read devoutly from the missal. Pope Pius therefore allowed evening Masses. The ancient fast began at midnight. If I'm working and the Traditionalist Chapel near me has an 8pm Mass, I would need to go over twenty (20) hours without food. Many people due to infirmity, old age, or the need to keep their strength for work (especially in manual labor) would not be able to do it. They would have to go to Mass and abstain from Communion, or risk their health and job performance. With his decree Sacra Tridentina Synodus (referenced above), Pope St. Pius X encouraged frequent Holy Communion, not as a reward for the just but as the antidote to sin. The Saint said, "Holy Communion is the shortest and safest way to Heaven." By mitigating the fast to three hours before Communion (water and medicine don't break the fast and may be taken at any time), Pope Pius XII was ensuring the will of His Predecessor was continued. I agree with some of my readers who say that, if you can do so without harm to your health or occupation, the midnight fast should be voluntarily kept as penance. Those who cannot do so (such as my now deceased mother who was sickly most of her life), should not be the least afraid to avail themselves of the modified fast. 

Pope Pius XII changed some feast days and made some changes in the Mass rubrics.
As I stated above, yes, he did, and he had every right to do so as Supreme Legislator. He instituted the Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (August 22) and The Queenship of Mary (May 31). On May 1st, the day used by Communists as "May Day" to show the might of Marxism, Pope Pius made it the feast of St. Joseph the Workman. Here he clearly shows the proper understanding of labor exemplified by St. Joseph as opposed to the evil system of Karl Marx. With Cum hac nostra aetate (March 23, 1955), he slightly changed the rankings of feasts, eliminated some octaves and suppressed the Proper Last Gospels for the usual Last Gospel of St. John. None of the above makes him a promoter of heresy or evil. 

Please remember also that the Commission did not consist of Bugnini sitting by himself in a room and trying to get Pope Pius XII to sign things promoting evil or that could become evil. Many good, holy, orthodox clergy were on that Commission for Liturgical Reform and approved of the changes that were given to Pope Pius XII for his consideration to be promulgated. 

Conclusion
Traditionalists should rally around the Revised Rites of Holy Week, and keep all that was in place when the last known true pope of the Roman Catholic Church, Pope Pius XII, died on October 9, 1958. Does that mean it is wrong or sinful to attend the pre-1955 Holy Week of the SSPV, et al? Unlike some Traditionalist clerics, I realize I have no Magisterial authority and refuse to "make up sins." The pre-1955 Rites of Holy Week are just as beautiful, holy, and Catholic as the Pian Rites. Although I believe the Pian Rites should be followed (and this after much study), I am just a layman who runs a blog. Period. I possess no authority to make my opinions binding on anyone. 

If Pope Pius XII had been given a vision of the Great Apostasy by God, is it possible he wouldn't have made those changes? Is it possible he would not want them to bind us under today's circumstances? Not probable, but yes, possible. Therefore, as long as such is possible (and many clergy were now taught in the seminary the Pian Rites no longer apply), we should not call any clergy or laity "schismatic" for attending at SSPV or elsewhere where the pre-1955 Rites are used. Nevertheless, it is my hope that Traditionalists can all start to agree on 10/9/58 as our point of where we accept all Church practices. 

So during the week of March 28, 2021, whether you attend the Pian Holy Week, or the pre-Pian Holy Week, remember that a true pope promulgated those Rites. As such you can rest assured they are both Mason-free, Modernist-free, and, of course, "Bugnini-free." 

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  1. Excelent! I recently had a conversation abouth this topic with a priest who doesn't follow the 1955 liturgy but the St Pius X.

    Always a great job man! God bless

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  2. I think it's wise to say that you have to keep everything from the Church before 10/9/1958 and to reject what came after. I have never been to real Mass or the pre-V2 Holy Week celebrations but if you say there is nothing wrong with attending Pius XII's revised Holy Week, it's reassuring. I think Saint Pius V and any real popes would throw up if they saw the modernist false masses which more often resemble music shows or clown performances than true divine worship.

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    1. Simon,
      Consider making a trip to the nearest Traditionalist Church or Chapel when you get some time off work. To go to confession and attend Mass (also your First Holy Communion) would be the greatest trip of your life! You could speak to the priest and see if a missionary-type priest comes your way once a month or so in someone's home. You'd then have access to the Mass and sacraments every month!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  3. I think those that keep to the Pre-55 do it for preservation reasons. I haven't heard it been said that it is sinful to attend the Post-55 holy week.

    Bunini admits that the holy week changes were a prelude to the new mass though

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    1. Mirza123,
      Yes, Bugnini CLAIMS the changes were a "prelude to the new 'mass'" but it is a lie. Just like the Modernists claim Pope Leo XIII, Pope Pius XII, and St Thomas Aquinas are cited as "leading to the (heretical) ecclesiology" of Vatican II.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. How would we know it is a lie?

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    3. John Gregory,
      We know it is a lie because --as I wrote above--how could a false mass of a false pope, created by a false sect came about from true reforms initiated by a true pope? The very idea is absurd.

      ---Introibo

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    4. I don't claim to know anything more than you and probably quite a bit less. I love this site BTW. But a plan that starts within the pale but is intended to go outside it can legitimately be approved while still within the pale.

      The ones pushing for the changes had one plan, the one who approved the initial changes which could legitimately be approved (but perhaps should not have been or was not the most prudent thing to do) did not share their plan.

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  4. That was a well presented article. The problem with the anti Pian
    clergy (regarding the liturgical changes) is that they really do believe the Pian changes were harmful but do not want to admit it outright because they know they would be in trouble if they go against the last pope who they call a true pope. It's inconsistent.

    The late Fr. Cekada (RIP), wrote in a 2012 Quidlibet article: These general principles may be applied to decrees promulgating liturgical laws, including the new Holy Week, because (1) the legislation was transitional in nature, in intent and in fact; and (2) the many parallels in principles and practices between the Missal of Paul VI and the 1955 reforms now render continued use of the LATTER HARMFUL, because such a use promotes (at least implicitly) the dangerous error that Paul VI’s “reform” was merely one more step in the organic development of the Catholic liturgy. link here: http://www.fathercekada.com/2012/03/31/short-critique-of-article-regarding-the-restored-order-of-holy-week/

    Notice how he said "the 1955 reforms now render continued use of the latter harmful" and then says to use it leads to the "dangerous error" of Paul VI's reform. This is his opinion but it is an insinuation that he believes the reforms themselves are harmful.

    I don't have any faith in the anti-Pian liturgy clergy ever changing their minds one day. What gets me is how they pick and choose which liturgical changes they follow, such as having evening Masses which they are not against and yet Pius XII made that as part of the changes or Aug 22nd which is the feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. It's really a shame that they have to be so stubborn about this but its also no surprise because most of these clergy were formerly with the SSPX a long time ago and the SSPX also have a problem with the Pius XII changes made to the liturgy.

    Lee

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    1. Old (R&R) habits (no pun intended) die hard.

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    2. Lee,
      The anti-Pian clergy do not want to face up to the fact that their position is inconsistent, and the only way to make it consistent would be by declaring Pope Pius XII was a false pope--something they (rightly) are unwilling to do. Therefore, they go to great lengths to make the case that Pius XII was pope YET you can reject his reforms. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

      @ Mary's Vagabond, Funny, but true. Consider the SSPX. They claim to follow the 1962 Missal, but even there they pick and choose. For example, Roncalli SUPRESSED the people's Confiteor, and the prayers "Misereatur" and "Indulgentium" before the Communion of the Faithful, yet the SSPX RETAIN IT.

      God Bless you both,

      ---Introibo

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    3. I also liked your conclusion in the article. While I don't believe it's a sin for others to attend their Masses (I used to), I do still struggle with myself attending their Masses in good conscience. Would you think it would be a sin to avoid them (those who reject the Pian reforms and yet are sedevacantist) if they were the only option around?

      Lee

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    4. Lee,
      If your conscience tells you not to go, you must obey your conscience. Holy Week does not need to be attended under pain of sin, unlike Sundays and Holy Days.

      However, in my way of thinking, if the priest is validly ordained, possesses the Integral Catholic Faith, and simply uses the pre-Pian Holy Week because he is mistaken, why deny yourself the graces of those Holy services?

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    5. The irony is, if I'm not mistaken, the SSPX use the 1962 liturgy and rubrics from John XXIII, not even the Pian reforms.

      It is indeed shameful that so many reject these legitimate reforms and changes of Pope Pius XII. Unless they condemn Pope Pius XII as a non-Catholic then their actions are simply inconsistent. Indeed, as Mary's Vagabond said, old habits do die hard. I don't see how one can criticize the Recognize and Resisters while doing the exact same thing with the 55 liturgical reforms.

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    6. That's good advice. Thanks for your sound mindedness on the subject. I certainly don't believe in the home alone option, but there aren't many priests outside the CMRI that are pro Pian reforms.

      Lee

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    7. Neyoriquans,
      There is a definite lack of consistency. I love the SSPV, but how, for example, do they reject May 1st as the Feast of St. Joseph the Workman, yet accept the Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary?

      Lee,
      Outside of the CMRI, the only pro-Pian clergy of which I am aware are some independent priests, like the late, great Fr. DePauw, and Fr. Evangelista.

      ---Introibo

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    8. Sociedad Sacerdotal Trento (Mexico) also uses the 1955

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    9. @anon7:51,
      Thank you for the information!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    10. To add to the list of 55 liturgy users, our parish works with Bishop Morello of Argentina, and we use the 1955 calendar, and as our priests are from Bishop Morello, I am fairly certain he can be counted among these ranks.

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  5. Introibo, this is where you and I disagree. For 99.9999% of the time we are always in agreement. But here I think you are making a controversy where none exists. Laws can cease to bind. As a lawyer I am sure you know that and the situations wherin that applies. One path may be more prudent and respectful, but this issue is a matter of opinion since we are left with no competent authority to settle the question.

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    1. Tom,
      I actually think we agree here too. Yes, laws can cease to bind, and I said in the post above it was possible. However, look at these facts:

      1. Even the opponents of the Pian rights acknowledge they are not evil, contain error, or are incentives to impiety.

      2. Those who reject the Pian rights tell people to stay away from the clergy who use them

      3. Yet, if those rites came from a true pope, and they admit they are not bad in themselves, why the condemnation?

      Why can't we rally around the death of Pope Pius XII as the point where we must accept all, and nothing after?

      Since there is no one to settle the question, wouldn't that be a prudent point of unity?

      God Bless,


      ---Introibo

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    2. Tom A.

      The whole issue is about liturgical disciples made into law on behalf of the whole Church in the West (Latin Rite) by a true pope (Pius XII). It is a big deal because the pope has already settled the matter in the mid 50's. You either obey it until a new pope is in office or you do not. It's that simple. It's not a mere opinion that can be tossed around and decided one way or another by a future pope as if either opinion is acceptable.

      I knew a clergyman who actually went as far as saying that Pius XII excommunicated himself because of all the changes and didn't believe he was pope anymore after 1952. While I didn't agree with him because I didn't believe anything was wrong with the changes made by Pius XII, his position is actually more accurate and consistent than those who call him pope and say his changes were harmful (which I quoted from an above statement).

      I think the anti-Pian liturgist just simply don't like the changes because he shortened prayers and styled in such away that is to their distaste and hence come up with an excuse not to do it. It's really about honesty, consistency, good will, and obedience which the anti-Pian liturgist don't have.

      Lee

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    3. *Disciplines* not disciples.

      Lee

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    4. Introibo, I think your number 2 is incorrect.

      Bp. Sanborn's Roman Catholic Institute's liturgical directory states:
      "Nonetheless, the Institute does not regard the liturgical changes of Pope Pius XII as sinful to observe or attend"

      Source: http://romancatholicinstitute.org/liturgical-directory-of-the-roman-catholic-institute/

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    5. @anon8:21
      That's great to hear! However, when some clergy say to have a "Bugnini-Free" Holy Week, how is this not (a) blasphemous and (b) inclining people to stay away because they were allegedly not the work of the Church protected by the Holy Ghost, but somehow "tainted" by Bugnini?

      If Bishop Sanborn does not agree with these sentiments, then I apologize to him and retract #2 in my comment above--at least as far as he and his clergy are concerned.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  6. sspv and former sspv priests before expulsion from sspx rejected the 1962 reforms even though (officially at least) they still accepted John XXIII as pope at that time. (see Letter of “The Nine” to
    Archbishop Lefebvre (March 25, 1983) http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/NineLetter.pdf)

    the wrong principle is ingrained in them. they're just being consistent with their former ways.

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    1. @anon6:31
      You are correct. I just think it's time for them to realize consistency with their former ways is inconsistent with basic theological and ecclesiastical principles in some cases--like this one.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  7. I think we should get a pope first and then have the dispute definitively settled.

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    1. John Gregory,
      I think it best to get on board with 1958 as our cut-off point so the conditions for getting a true pope can hopefully begin to come about.

      ---Introibo

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    2. With all due respect John, I am of the opinion that sedevacantists will never get a pope. But if you think it is possible I am curious of your explanation.

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    3. I believe the Catholic hierarchy should elect him. The Catholic hierarchy of course, are those bishops who are in fact Catholic. We are never left without the ability to elect a valid pope. But since everyone seems to think the hierarchy as anyone but our traditional Catholic bishops we are left waiting until God does something. Thank you for the respectful way in which you asked the question.

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    4. Hi Mr Gregory,

      I suggest you look at the WM Review's latest series on Apostolicity. If you think the Church lacks the means to elect a valid Pope, then you are mistaken.

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    5. Hello Sir,

      You must have misread what I wrote:

      "We are never left without the ability to elect a valid pope."

      Very Respectfully,
      John

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  8. Those who reject the pian should not tell their parishioners to stay away from those that use them. That ranges from inexcusably misguided to cultish.

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  9. The below link is a good article to read for more information. The introito's article is excellent as well. Fair and balanced. In my opinion, based upon my feelings, not knowledge, the Liturgy we had for 15 centuries, codified at Trent, is preferable to the one we had from 1956 through 1962:

    http://www.christorchaos.com/PresagingaRevolution.html

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    1. John Gregory,
      I agree with most all of what Dr Drolesky writes, but disagree with him in that article. It is of note that when it was written, he had just become a sedevacantist circa 2006. Many of his ideas changed, and perhaps he changed his mind on this issue as well (although I do not know).

      Please note, I do NOT accept any "reforms" after 1958, as they cam from Roncalli--a false pope.

      ---Introibo

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    2. As a huge fan of Dr. Droleskey myself, I can confirm he still adheres to the view that the pre-Pian reforms are preferable to the Pian reforms and one should stick to them.

      This is one of the only issues which I respectfully disagree with him on.

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    3. I do agree that those of us who believe the clergy can, in good conscience, offer the Mass of ages which Pius V helped ensure would remain untouched for 500 more years, cannot condemn those who follow what was in place the last few years of our last valid Pope.

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    4. I meant to say 400 years above.

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  10. Also, most rational, at least semi-knowledgeable people will admit that a pope can do that which is not prudent or make a choice which is not the best yet still be fully acceptable. This is something that cannot legitimately be denied. We do not know what was going on behind the scenes as at that time they were killing Sister Lucy and wanted Pius XII gone before he revealed the 3rd secret in 1960. I have letters written to me by Father Martin Stepanich which questioned aloud several things Pius XII did. This was the only living clergyman we had with a doctorate in theology obtained pre-v2 and he never offered the new mass. It seems Pius XII was being drugged and he was ultimately killed. This is a very sad story. Nonetheless, anything he in fact approved was binding, and may still be. The CMRI position on this issue cannot be condemned. And there should not be division among us on the issue despite differing opinions, and I think even preferences. I would think we are all good willed in the matter and are being guided by our consciences. I hope so. But I'll never understand why any clergy would forbid anyone going to the Pian liturgy or a CMRI liturgy. That is condemnable and you do not need to have magisterial authority to know that.

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    1. John Gregory,
      I agree that condemnations of either side on this are wrong.

      ---Introibo

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  11. 1570: The prayer of St. Ambrose, Summe Sacerdos, is not divided into parts.

    1604: The Summe Sacerdos is divided into sections for various days of the week.

    1570: The general rubrics are not numbered. Within the general rubrics there is no mention of ringing a bell, incense or torchbearers.

    1604: The general rubrics are numbered. Ringing a bell, incense and torchbearers are included in the rubrics along with additions such as describing the preparation required for the altar.

    In 1955 were the changes just numbering the rubrics and dividing a prayer on some days?

    It would seem that any prudent changes would have to do with Saints feast days, when to have them or transfer them, or changing the ranking of the feast. Or in the Divine office, saying the 118th psalm only on Sunday's could be prudent so the other psalms could be said more often during the rest of the week. What happened in 1955 seemed less prudent though obviously acceptable. It did in fact seem to be heading in a different direction. We have no idea what was going on behind the scenes. But we can be pretty sure it was quite a lot and mostly not good. But to be clear, the CMRI stance is quite valid and seemingly, perhaps actually, is on more sure footing than those of us who prefer what was in effect for the 15 centuries previous. I condemn neither side of the issue but I do condemn those who say the CMRI stance is wrong. It seems if we are forced to pick a side we would have to say they are right, at least on the surface. In my personal opinion I think there may be more to it than that however. Let us get a pope first and he can settle it. The clergy who disagree on the issue should be able to agree on a pope despite their personal preferences. And they certainly would submit to him or they are not Catholic.

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    1. John Gregory,
      Thank you for your very thoughtful comments! They add to the quality of this blog and I thank you for commenting.

      God Bless you my friend,

      ---Introibo

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  12. I have been following the sede community for a time and I have never heard one reputable sede issue any condemnation on the Pian Holy Week reform other than they thought it better to use the pre-55. Which sede communities use the Pian reforms?

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    1. Tom,
      Using the Pian reforms;
      *CMRI
      *Sociedad Sacerdotal Trento (in Mexico)
      * Bishop Morello of Argentina and his clergy
      * Certain independents like the late great Fr DePauw, and his successor, Fr Evangelista.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  13. This is off topic but since tomorrow is St. Patrick's day I felt the need to link an incredible book about his miracles and works recorded by Jocelin: https://catholicsaints.info/the-life-and-acts-of-saint-patrick-by-bishop-jocelin/

    For a much shorter version of reading I will link this: https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B255_StPatrick.html which shows a comparison between the Vatican II version of St. Patrick's breastplate prayer and the original version of the prayer (Hint: it's not ecumenical) with a few excerpts of resurrection miracles by St. Patrick from the book "Raised from the Dead" by Rev. Albert Herbert.

    Hope you enjoy and Happy St. Patrick's Day!

    Lee

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  14. Why did almost all Catholic theologians accept Vatican II and not protest?
    For example, Cardinal Ottaviani finally accepted Vatican II and a new Mass (if I am not mistaken).
    Fr. Ludwig Ott, a German dogmatic theologian who you often cite as a theological authority, passed into the Novus Ordo Church.
    Only Fr. Gommar DePauw and few others remained Catholic.

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    1. @anon1:22
      Fr. DePauw himself told me that the clergy didn't want to believe what was happening. Those who were not Modernists went along because they (a) refused to accept the Great Apostasy or (b) they were cowards--many of whom lost the Faith completely.

      Cardinal Ottavianni NEVER accepted the Novus Bogus or Vatican II. He was manipulated by Modernists when he was old and blind into signing things.

      Fr. Ott apostatized, but (like Tertullian) that does not vitiate his work done when he was Catholic and had his work approved by bishops with Ordinary jurisdiction under a true pope.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. can i attend pre 55 liturgies in good conscience?

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    3. @anon4:40
      In my opinion, yes. Although they are wrong, they believe the law has ceased. No one can declare them wrong and the pre-1955 Holy Week is 100% Catholic.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  15. Who ordained Father Evagelista and where was his seminary training?

    About how many faithful attend Ave Maria Chapel?

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    1. @anon3:38
      He was a Benedictine hermit. He has a most interesting background. Trained in Spain, he was ordained by Cardinal Godfrey of Westminster, England in 1962. He promptly returned to Spain thereafter as a hermit.

      There are about 75 people who attend, but the Chapel has been closed for one year now due to COVID and Father's advanced age. He offers Mass there privately and broadcasts on Sundays live.

      ---Introibo

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    2. Hi Introibo,

      I would like to know who is the advanved age priest who still privately offers the Latin Mass and broadcasts on Sunday live? Is he CMRI priest
      May I know the link so I could join from LiveStreaming?

      God bless you!

      Robertus

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    3. Robertus,
      He is the successor of Fr. DePauw and completely independent. He was ordained a Benedictine priest in 1962, and his name is Fr. John Evangelista.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. Robertus,
      The link is on audio only for Sundays. At 9am EDT go to
      http://www.latinmass-ctm.org/

      ---Introibo

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  16. https://inveritateblog.com/2021/03/18/the-pre-1955-holy-week/

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    1. Tom,
      Bishop Sanborn states in that article:
      "In other words, you cannot consent to the liturgical principles in the 1955 liturgy without consenting implicitly to the New Mass, of which they are a preparation and a beginning."

      This is an implicit denial of either (a) the papacy of Pope Pius XII or (b) the Indefectibility of the Church--which is a dogma.

      He is saying: "You cannot consent to the liturgical principles approved by a true pope and guaranteed to be free from evil and error by the Holy Ghost without consenting implicitly to a false mass , because these holy rites were a preparation and a beginning for this false mass approved by a false pope for a false sect."

      I'll let that speak for itself.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Here is the whole paragraph:

      Freemason Bugnini even said that the 1955 Holy Week changes were a “bridge” to future changes in the liturgy. As the sorely missed Father Cekada commented: “If you don’t want to go to the other side, then why would you cross the bridge?” St. Thomas puts it more abstractly: He who consents to the beginning, consents to the end. In other words, you cannot consent to the liturgical principles in the 1955 liturgy without consenting implicitly to the New Mass, of which they are a preparation and a beginning.

      I read it that Bp Sanborn is explaining St Thomas’ quote.

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    3. Tom,
      Yes, and his explanation is wrong if he attempts to apply it to the true reforms of a true pope. That last sentence comes from Bp. Sanborn (obviously) not the Angelic Doctor who died in 1274. His application results in exactly what I wrote in my comment to you above.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. I think Bishop Sanborn is giving an implicit denial of both a. and b. in that statement.

      This is precisely why I have such a big problem with these clergy. They flat out tell you you're rejecting the Church by be obedient to Pope Pius XII's reforms, while they are the ones who flat out reject both Pius XII and the indefectibility of the Church.

      This is not a Catholic attitude and it mimics the SSPX mentality.

      Lee

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    5. I've just read the article by Bp. Sanborn and I cannot tell you just how disappointed I am at his, that is Bp. Sanborn's, argumentation.

      When I began discovering traditional Catholicism, I was oh-so enthusiastic about the human aspect, if you will, of the traditional movement. Now, I'm just disillusioned and, quite frankly, sad.
      How are we supposed to defend True Catholicism against the real enemy of modernism when, after all these years, the Holy Week of Pius XII is still being presented as a controversial issue? Is Bp. Sanborn implying that I'm an "implicit" modernist for accepting liturgical reforms of a true Pope?
      I truly respect Bp. Sanborn and just cannot comprehend why he decided to write what he did the way he did it.


      Introibo,
      this week's post of yours is absolutely invaluable! Thank you for your work! Your blog has always been a harbor of common sense.

      God Bless,
      Joanna S.

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    6. Lee,
      It is upsetting--to say the least. That is why I hope all can agree on 1958 as the year where everything is accepted, and beyond is rejected.

      Joanna,
      Thank you! Please remember that fallible, sinful humans run Christ's One True Church and we therefore all fall short of Him. It is a testament to the Church that God operates through them and us, because She survives to this day!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    7. In hindsight it is 100% apparent to all of us that the changes to Holy Week were meant as a precursor to destroying the entire liturgy of the Church. Bugnini himsef admits this. I personally fault no one for choosing either Holy Week Rite. Bp Sanborn is quite emphatic that his position is correct and Introibo, you are equally emphatic that your position is correct. So much so, that both of you border on condemning the other for their position. No one is able to settle this question. It would be ludicrous in my opinion to deny onself a traditional Holy Week because the local sedevacantist chapel doesn’t do the Holy Week that you prefer. I will be attending my local chapel regardless of the Holy Week Rite they use.

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    8. Introibo,
      I'm in the traditionalist movement for the sake of the True Faith and I guess I can't be scandalized by this or that cleric's opinion any more. I consider your balanced and truly Catholic writing to be one of the chief reasons for that 'immunity' of mine.
      Sparking animosities and harboring grudges by some when we should be closing ranks against our real enemy is just painful to observe. It's high time this clique mentality was gone (there's none of it in here and it's so refreshening!).

      God Bless You All,
      Joanna S.

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    9. Tom,
      A couple of points:
      1. That fact that Bugnini said the Rites were a precursor to the Novus Bogus holds no more water than those Modernist theologians who claimed Aquinas, Pope Leo XIII, and Pope Pius XII were precursors to the new ecclesiology.

      2. Ad arguendo, even if this was his plan, it would have failed miserably with a true pope on the throne of St Peter. The Rites are without blemish. The fact that he wanted things taken FURTHER (and evil) doesn't mean that where they went under Pope Pius XII was wrong.

      3.My post says that you should go to either Holy Week available. I agree with you. I'd like to see unity around 1958--not arbitrary dates prior.

      Joanna,

      Thank you for such kind words!

      God Bless you both,

      ---Introibo

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    10. Bishop Sanborn is entirely wrong on the comment you point out. Consenting to a legitimate, valid, authoritative change is not the same thing as consenting to that which is illegitimate, invalid, and not authoritative. Bishop Sanborn is a well studied man. But it seems that he is not content with his opinion, but feels that it is uncatholic to disagree with him on this point.

      Please do not be disillusioned with the traditional Catholic clergy, as I have been, so many times. These are the worst times in history and we all have our issues. Just realize that those who are not plants, are doing their best, and that we will not have unity on things which have not been definitively settled by 1958. He needs our prayers.

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  17. Tom A.

    So are you in agreement with the anti-Pian clergy who imply the Church has defected through Pope Pius XII and therefore he is as you say, "a precursor to destroying the entire liturgy of the Church?" If not, how do you not find fault in those who are not anti-Pius XII as do the clergy who do find fault with those who are?

    For me the only reason I would deny myself the sacraments from these clergy is the same reason I would deny myself the sacraments coming from the SSPX. They both reject the Church by making up their own rules and therefore are not ___________. Let's not forget the gaslighting which they also do to those who are Pro-Pius XII.

    Am I going to far for saying that? Perhaps, but it is because it is their fault for going to far when they clearly reject Pope Pius XII and put the blame on Bugnini. They can brag about being a Bugnini free zone all they want, but the reality is they are truly a Catholic absent zone during that week. There is no unity until there is obedience to Pope Pius XII. That's the way it has always been.

    BTW, are you going to fast all day on Holy Saturday or until noon as the anti-Pian clergy follow? It's a mortal sin to not follow the Church laws regarding fasting and abstinence. The question is which law are you going to follow? The Pius XII update or the Sanborn/Dolan/SSPV pre-date? If it doesn't matter why don't we just say the heck with all of it and do what we want and be protestant? Do you get what I'm saying? There is only one right way and in order for us to be united we must all do the same thing as Catholics regarding the laws and disciplines of the Church.

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    1. Lee, there is no law giver. He died in 1958. When we have one, we can ask him.

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      The law regarding the changes of the liturgy don't just cease to bind because we don't have a pope.

      What if we didn't like the pre-55 missal because we thought it led to the post 55 missal, which led to the 62 missal, which led to the Novus Ordo Mass and so we decided that since we don't have pope now because there is no lawgiver we'll just go back before Pope St. Pius V and celebrate Mass that far back? Would that be okay?

      The anti-Pian clergy are outright attacking the post 55 missal and other disciplines and implying that it is harmful. This is a real problem because the Catholic Church cannot issue something harmful to the whole Church, otherwise it would be defective and a false church.

      So no the cessation of law argument does not work. Therefore we must obey Pius XII UNTIL a future pope says otherwise. NOT the other way around.

      BTW, You didn't answer my question regarding Holy Saturday and whether we should follow either the full days fast (Pius XII) or until noon (which would be a mortal sin if not completed). Does that law cease to bind also because it was leading towards the Novus Ordo changes? Give me a break.

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    3. Thats is where you and disagree. I have had this discussion with Introibo before. There is no jurisdiction left so I cannot see how any Canon Law can continue to exist. We can follow them out of tradition but there simplly is no one left to enforce or adjudicate the law. The fact that there we are arguing over the ‘55 Holy Week is proof. You can make all the arguments you like, but at the end of the day there is not a soul on the earth we can find to settle this issue or any other Canonical issue.

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    4. Tom A.

      I get it now. You just want to do whatever you want to do just like the rest of world because at the end of the day you decide what's best for you and not what the Church has already decided. That's too bad.

      Thanks for not answering my question about the Holy Saturday fast but that's okay it doesn't really matter anyways because I've learned from you that we can just pick and choose whatever we want to do and that should suffice.

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    5. Lee, you are picking and doing what you like. You are doing what you think is best. You have become your own dogmatic authority. You have decided for yourself that the only prudent moral way to address this crisis of no Pope is to stick to what was in place in 1958. Others have decided other paths. Some people say that there should be no Mass since there is no jurisdiction. You can claim all you want that only your way is correct. But at the end of the day you are simply making your own choice. That is the consequence of being a sedevacantist. There is no authority to decide otherwise.

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    6. Tom A.

      My way? It's the called the Church's way and Introibo and myself have demonstrated what it has taught. It's the anti Pius XII clergy who are doing according to their way as they claim is the only correct way. They've made that pretty clear. They are wrong and they are leading people astray. You are an example of that.

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    7. Lee, when you need a dispensation from the Law, to whom in authority do you approach? When you can answer that question, you will have demonstrated your position. Till then, it remains your opinion as to the prudent course of action for the scattered flock who finds itself without a Shepherd. I am going to Holy Week at my local sede chapel. I have no idea which version they will be using. I simply do not care. It will be a Catholic Rite, that much I am sure. Introibo made his case, Bp. Sandborn and the late Fr. Cekada made thier case. Neither has convinced me that this is a dogmatic doctrinal issue that calls for a single response. Both are valid liturigical rites. When Pope Pius XII died, I am sure the law required Bishops to have a Papal mandate to ordain new bishops. We sedes no longer follow that law, yet that was the law when Pius XII died. And if you claim epikeia dispenses with that law, then you can claim epikeia dispenses with any law. That is why it is my opinion that we can follow as best we can the law that was left to us, but it cannot continue to bind since there is no one left to administer that law. We will always be subject to Natural and Divine Law.

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    8. Tom A.

      Why would you need a dispensation to not follow the reforms of Pius XII? Nobody is saying the pre-55 missal is anti-Catholic but that it's wrong to purposefully continue using it despite the changes made by Pius XII if one believes Pius XII was the last true pope.

      When you say you simply do not care which version will be used what you really mean is that you simply do not care to follow Catholic principles.

      If you want to go to such rites because you have no other priests around then go. I cannot because I believe it would a sin for me and would rather drive 5 more hrs (not that I will) to go where it's done the right way. Either do it right or don't do it all is how I look at it.

      Lee

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    9. It's my understanding a Pope can lose the office during his Pontificate.
      Council of Trent Session Canon 13 says if anyone changes the liturgy they incur anathema.
      The changes listed above in this article are minor.
      Pius XII post 1953 changed the immemorial after Midnight Holy Communion fast and radically altered the Holy Week ceremonies.
      Consequently,it's possible Pius XII may have lost his office anywhere from 1953-1958.
      Not saying my view is infallible just that it's possible.
      God bless
      Andrew

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    10. Andrew,

      Did Pope Clement VIII (1604) lose his Pontificate after he made some changes to the liturgy?

      The implication is that if Pius XII was not pope after 1952, it was because he introduced something harmful to the Church. He didn't. The only person who thought up that idea was Bp. Dymek who wanted to be known as "Fr." Dymek. He also believed that V. Putin was secretly baptized a Catholic and that committing a venial sin would be enough to damn a person to hell if they died in such a state. He also said Bp. Slupski asked him in confession if he wanted to be a priest even though he didn't know him and yet later he made him a bishop after ordaining him without any training. It's hard to take such people seriously.

      A pope can change parts of the liturgy, so long as it does not harm the Catholic faith.

      Lee

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    11. I'm not the only person who has serious problems with Pius XII.
      Monsignor Leon Gromier was an educated man who held a press conference in 1960 explaining in detail what Pius XII had destroyed like no other Pope before.
      God bless -Andrew

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    12. Andrew,

      The idea that he was no longer pope after 1952 came from Bp. Dymek.

      Monsignor Leon Gromier is just another priest who didn't like the changes and offers his opinions. Pius XII didn't destroy anything with the reforms.

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    13. Both Priests you mention offered their opinions just like you & me.
      God bless -Andrew

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    14. You are absolutely correct Lee, and furthermore, to deny the presence of validly ordained Bishops today who possess jurisdiction and authority is to claim that the Church as a publicly recognizable organization has faultered and defected, which is impossible.

      I will now proceed to demonstrate the validity of my assertions, by quoting both Theologians Van Noort and Fr. Sylvester Berry, and my emphasis will be added through caps lock due to a lack of bold and indent abilities to my knowledge:

      Proposition 1: Christ personally founded a Church which is a true society.

      ...

      A society is a permanent assembly of many people united for the attainment of a common goal. Not any and every group of people is a society, but only one which pursues a common goal in a permanent manner. Now this stable unification of many people is effected by means of certain bonds which unite the minds and the active efforts of the group. THE CHIEF OF THESE BONDS IS AUTHORITY. And so the matter of a society is the group itself; its form is the unifying bonds, AUTHIRTY IN PARTICULAR; its founder or author is he who unites the group by applying the bonds.

      (Dogmatic Theology, Van Noort, Volume 2, pages 7-8)


      Christ instituted the Church for the salvation of all men, and endowed it with certain powers and characteristics necessary for this work. If the Church should lose ANY ONE OF THESE NECESSARY QUALIFICATIONS, it would not be capable of doing what Christ intedned it to do; in fact, IT WOULD CEASE TO BE THE CHURCH INSTITUTED BY HIM. Moreover, if the Church could fail in any of its essentials, even for a time, it would lose all authority to teach and to govern, because the faithful could never be certain at any time that it had not failed, - that it had not ceased to be the Church of Christ, thereby losing all authority. BUT AN AUTHORITY THAT MAY BE JUSTLY DOUBTED AT ALL TIMES IS NO AUTHORITY; it commands neither obedience nor respect as is evident in churches that reject the claim to indefectibility.

      (Father Sylvester Berry, The Church of Christ, page 32)


      Hence, it can be said with certainty that wherever the true Church of Christ is (and considering our audience I believe we can all agree it is with the Traditionalist Sedevacantist Clergy and parishioners), there must be concurrently at least in some of that clergy legitimate jurisdiction and authority, otherwise the Church would cease to have any authority and claim to being the same indefectible institution established by Christ.

      Thus, the notion that there are no more law givers and hence, no more authority to which individual (if not universal) men can be bound to is wrong and impossible to apply to the Catholic Church.

      Going back to the 1955 changes, as Introibo has demonstrated, there is no valid argument that can be made against the harmfulness of the Pian changes, and no argument that can be made without tarnishing the Papacy of Pope Pius XII, which as Lee also confirmed is dogmatically knowable with certainty. Thus, it is imprudent and wrong for Catholics to cast doubt on these reforms and disparage them as well as the lawgiver who gave them to us.

      There is no argument to be made that the law ceased to bind, and laws do not cease to bind when the lawgiver dies, therefore we are bound to these changes, whether we prefer them or not. Such is the duty of obedience we as Catholics are called to do, for he who loves the Pope does not question his verdicts and laws, nor seeks any and every opportunity to ignore them.

      Griff Ruby, a sedevacantist author and writer, has written a book simply called "Sede Vacante!", which I highly recommend for its scholarly exposition of all the doctrines relating to Church ecclesiology, and considering all of them in unison when trying to deal with the present crisis we find ourselves in.

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    15. I'm not smart enough to disagree with all the clergy, such as Father Martin Stepanich, who have in good conscience stayed with the pre-bugnini changes as if I am more qualified than they after all the studying they did to come to such a conclusion. Neither am I more qualified than the CMRI and other clergy who disagree. For me this will not be an issue that will divide me from other Catholics. Though it may be an issue that divides other Catholics from me, such as when being accused of being in mortal sin from following a conscience that has been formed to the best of my ability.

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    16. Lee and Tom are both good Catholics, and sadly, there should be no anomysity between them over the issue. The devil wins here.

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    17. Nice post neyoriquans. Wouldn't it be something if Griff himself does not condemn either side of the issue and personally approves the pre-1955? The issue should not divide us. It really shouldn't. There should be mutual respect on all sides. Though I do not respect any condemnation of those who follow the Pian rite of 56-58. They stand on perfectly sturdy ground. It is fine to condemn the clearly erroneous part of what Bishop Sanborn stated but when they start to condemn all those good studied clergy who in good conscience and after much study, do not follow that rite, including the fact that not everything a pope does authoritatively (though what he binds must be followed under pain of mortal sin while he is living, and perhaps in "perpetuity"), is the best possible thing he could have done, and epekia, and based this conclusion while considering that they will have to look Jesus in the eye one day when mere feelings or preference won't carry much weight then they are not staying on the high ground. If you read Tom's article, Father Ringrose, who was not SV at the time, did not take the issue lightly, or go with mere feeling or preference. He studied the issue extensively, as did Father Stepanich and all those priests who basically started tradition transitioning from the SSPX to the SSPV to The Nine, and soon to be Twelve, to all the independent priests who disagree with you and are more qualified to have an opinion than you to have their opinion. I mean why did Pius XII make Paul Sick a cardinal? I'm not sure it is good for laypeople to condemn one another on issues that the learned clergy cannot agree on. It shouldn't be made personal, accusing people of mortal sin, and not being Catholic. I do not think it is that simple. Though again, clergy have no business condemning those who follow the rite of 56-58.

      In summary, if the good qualified traditional clergy disagree on something, people like us should not be condemning each other over the issue. I would tend to think most of those who agree on EENS and SV are good. I have not seen them refuted on this issue to the degree that the SSPV have been refuted on the Thuc issue or Sandborn has been refuted for condemning Catholics for approving of the NO just because they approve of the Pian changes. I think we can respectfully agree to disagree on an issue without the condemnation. And I do not really disagree with either side on the issue. I simply have a preference which I believe I can have in good conscience despite all the argumentation to the contrary. Argumentation that I have looked at and taken very seriously and admit cannot be refuted to the extent that it can be condemned.

      The minor changes made from the 400's or at least the 600's - 1955 are not as extreme as the valid, authoritative, and Catholic changes made after. So it should not be turned into something like belief in the Holy Trinity or the Incarnation. These are very confusing and troubling times. So we can say our part, but no need to build barriers by repeatedly condemning those who disagree with you hoping that they throw up the white flag rather than be hardened in their stance. I don't address this to you neyoriquans, but to a discussion where two clearly disagree and neither is going to change. Why keep forcing it when it will engender bitterness and perhaps be an occasion of sin.

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    18. John Gregory,

      Thank you for the compliment. I like Tom A. and have argued with him over this before. I like Bp. Sanborn, Dolan, etc. but when it comes to this position that they hold, it's borderline schismatic/heretical (not saying they actually are). It does not matter how smart they are, or how good their theology is if they are not going to be consistent and follow the one who they recognize as the last true pope (Pius XII), especially when they pick and choose which changes they will follow like having evening Masses and celebrating the Immaculate Heart of Mary's feast on Aug 22nd and which ones they will not follow like the full Holy Saturday fast (which is part of the commandments of the Church) or St. Joseph's new feast on May 1st. How is this any different than the SSPX who pick and choose what they follow?

      Liturgical disciplines and laws made by the Church can change but they do not cease to bind until they've been changed again by the approval of a true pope. It's true there can be cessation of laws but not for liturgical disciplines and laws which are not harmful as the anti-Pian clergy above flat out say and imply (otherwise they would do them).

      The only way there is true unity is obedience to Pius XII until a further pope says otherwise, not until what a future pope decides because it's a present day controversial among traditional Catholics.

      This would not be an issue had not the anti Pius XII clergy made it an issue. The devil wins when people pridefully and stubbornly refuse real authority. The pro-Pius XII clergy do not make the mistake for defending his changes and abiding by them.

      Lee

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    19. Andrew,

      Both Bp. Dymek and Monsignor Leon Gromier opinions are a form of quackery, which means they don't matter over what Pius XII already approved for the whole Church.

      Lee

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    20. God bless have a blessed Holy Week -Andrew

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  18. No offense but I thank the Holy Trinity there are still traditional Mass centers which offer the pre-1951 Missal and Holy Week.
    Council of Trent
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    -Anthony

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    1. Anthony,
      No offense taken. Realize your citation says, "CANON XIII.-If any one saith, that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, wont to be used in the solemn administration of the sacraments, may be contemned, or without sin be omitted at pleasure by the ministers, or be changed, by every pastor of the churches, into other new ones; let him be anathema."

      Pope Pius XII was not condemning the old Rites--and "every pastor" means all clerics inferior to the pope; not the pope himself, as Canon Law clearly teaches.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Is not the Bishop of Rome the pastor of a church,meaning the Roman Church?
      -Anthony

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    3. Anthony,
      That's like asking, "Isn't the Bishop of Rome a member of the episcopacy?" He's much more. The Pope is Vicar of Christ on Earth and can "bind and loose." The 1917 Code of Canon Law is a universal disciplinary law, and as such it cannot teach error because it is infallibly protected.

      According to theologian Van Noort, "The Church's infallibility extends to the general discipline of the Church...it can never sanction a universal law which would be at odds with faith or morality or would by its very nature conducive to the injury of souls...The Church's infallibility extends to the general discipline of the Church...By the term "general discipline of the Church" are meant those ecclesiastical laws passed for the direction of Christian worship and Christian living." (See Dogmatic Theology, 2:114-115)

      A true pope is protected by the Holy Ghost from all error in promulgating universal disciplinary laws for Christian worship. ("Universal" means not limited to a particular territory, it does not mean it is binding on all Catholics. Hence, since the Revised Rites of Holy Week are binding on all Latin Rite Catholics everywhere, it is a universal or general law of the Church--See canonist Bouscaren, Canon Law: A Text and Commentary, [1951], pg. 27)

      Canon 1257 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law states that "Only the Apostolic See has the right to regulate the liturgy [i.e., the ritual of public worship] and to approve liturgical books. (See canonists Abbo and Hannon, The Sacred Canons, [1952], 2:512).

      Therefore, the pope ALONE can make changes. "It follows from this that the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification."--(See Pope Pius XII, Mediator Dei, para. #58; Emphasis mine).

      Pope Clement VIII made changes to the Mass in 1604, and no one accused him of heresy or wrongdoing because "pastor" does not apply to the pope as he is more than a pastor.

      In the same way Feeneyites cite CANON II.-If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.

      They say, "See? true and natural water! There is no Baptism by Blood or Desire!" All theologians (including those at Trent knew that the Canon was not directed against Baptism of Blood or Desire. The Fathers of the Council were defining the matter of the sacrament against Martin Luther who taught that if water was not available you could validly baptize using beer or milk. Likewise, "pastor" was not meant to include the Vicar of Christ.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  19. Pope Clement VIII replaced Pope St. Pius V's missal with a new typical edition of the Roman Missal on 1604. A further revised typical edition was promulgated by Pope Urban VIII on 1634.
    Pope Leo XIII issued in 1884 a new typical edition. Pope St. Pius X also undertook a revision of the Roman Missal, which was published and declared typical by his successor Pope Benedict XV in 1920.

    Andrew and Anthony,
    Are you saying we should go back to 1st century liturgies????

    No liturgy today, eastern or roman, is not "radically" different from the ones in early Christianity.

    Andrew, you don't just go around saying "it's possible" that Pope Pius XII was not a true pope. The legitimacy of a pope falls under the theological note of "theologically certain". The censure attached to the contradictory proposition is error (in theology). The effect of denial is mortal sin against faith.

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    1. Those Popes didn't destroy multiple apostolic traditions during one of the most important weeks of the Church?
      God bless -Andrew

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    2. Tell me where the Church teaches that the pope, successor of St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ on Earth, the Visible Head of the Catholic Church, who, as supreme pastor, tied with his office as supreme teacher, has the right to arrange all that regards the worship of God, has no authority over the liturgy. Even if it meant destroying apostolic traditions not mandated by Christ. Are you denying that each pope has the fullness of jurisdiction over the Church as Saint Peter had?

      According to Catholic doctrine, the pope has full authority to interpret, alter, and abrogate both his own laws and those established by his predecessors. He has the same plenitude of power as they enjoyed, and stands in the same relation to their laws as to those which he himself has decreed.

      Actually this boils down to who said the pope has no authority to alter apostolic traditions that were not enacted in Divine Law by Christ. Who?

      The source you cited above was "Council of Trent Session Canon 13" which "says if anyone changes the liturgy they incur anathema".
      Notice it doesn't say "minor" or "radical", so if you think this canon applies to popes (which it obviously doesn't because of the context and of the nature of the papal office itself), then you can't accept Popes St. Pius V, Clement VIII, Urban VIII, Leo XIII, St. Pius X, and Benedict XV as popes.

      No Catholic has the right to disobey the pope in all that regards the Church's liturgy. Period.

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    3. Until we have a Pope this issue is best left alone.
      This discussion is proof we'll never agree on this issue.
      God bless -Andrew

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    4. (1) You said the pope can only make minor changes in the liturgy (which is heresy). (2) You said Pope Pius XII may not be pope (which is an error in theology). Denying any of these is mortal sin.

      Both of these aside the Pian reforms of Holy Week. I do not think most sedevacantists who reject them commit mortal sin.

      However, the two [heretical and erroneous] things you said above, that is, a pope can only make minor reforms in liturgy, and that Pope Pius XII may have lost his office, they're something I didn't hear from any sedevacantist, but only you, which is why I am concerned.

      Is it acceptable to "never agree" on these?

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    5. I have my own view just like you yet neither of us are the Pope.
      God bless -Andree

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    6. Andrew, as I said, that wasn't the point. I feel like you weren't reading at all, which I believe is deeply unfair, considering what you just said.

      We're not talking about views. I repeat: WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT VIEWS.

      One question, to sort all of this: Do you still believe that the pope can only make minor reforms in the liturgy?

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    7. What I believe doesn't matter.
      Save your Soul.
      God bless -Andrew

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    8. Sorry, that's individualistic, selfish, and non-Catholic. Christ never said something like that.

      Why does Introibo run this blog if he shouldn't care for what other souls believe and just save his own?

      Why do you tell me "God bless" if you don't care for my soul and only yours?

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    9. I can't save your Soul and I'm not a Priest.
      Save your Soul Lady.
      God bless -Andrew

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    10. Why can't you answer the question and stop zigzagging:

      Do you still believe that the pope can only make minor reforms in the liturgy?

      Also, I'm not a lady. Like the two heresies you mentioned above, you don't back your statement that I'm a lady (ridiculous, assuming that's not a typo)

      I don't mean to be mean but to keep this simple and fast. Why did you answer my comment in the first place.

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    11. I did answer your question.
      God bless -Andrew

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    12. No you did not. This time, I'm not getting fooled again.

      Last time: yes or no?

      Do you still believe that the pope can only make minor reforms in the liturgy?

      (If you can't answer that, at least answer why you called me a "lady" then?)

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  20. In other words, you cannot consent to the liturgical principles in the 1955 liturgy without consenting implicitly to the New Mass, of which they are a preparation and a beginning. (Bishop Sanborn) I'm just reading this now. The above statement is incorrect. Accepting what a valid pope binds on the Church is the only Catholic thing to do. I have a feeling that this will be the only error I find in the article. Not that it makes it any less annoying. He does say "implicitly". But that does not make it any better. Accepting what a valid pope binds on the Church is nothing more and nothing less than being Catholic.

    Yes we have a lot of hindsight since 1958. But sticking with what was in place in 1958 cannot be legitimately condemned. Any more than making Paul 6 a Cardinal. It was a legitimate thing a legitimate pope can do.

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  21. I erred is saying Pius XII made Monti a cardinal. He made him a bishop. I used to be very familiar with all the questionable things Pius XII did but I seem to be forgetting it like everything else. It seems bishop Sanborn makes a ton of good points in his article. Despite the erroneous statement he made, he is making me more secure in my preference. It is okay if I get condemned for this, but hopefully without others sinning in doing so. Condemn my preference for the love of God, and for love of me for love of God, or for love of those reading which stems from your love of God. I do not condemn those who follow the 1956 rite. I couldn't even if I wanted to. And I don't want to.

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  22. Is any of the following incorrect:

    Nonetheless, like all of us, he had some faults. The first is that his education as a youth was somewhat liberal. The second is that his character, although virtuous, was weak. He was described by a fellow cardinal in 1929 as “weak-kneed and indecisive,” which proved to be true. The third is that, through no fault of his own, he was absorbed almost immediately as a young priest into the Vatican diplomatic corps. This influence made him use diplomacy in ecclesiastical matters where a stronger approach was necessary. (This same fault was seen in Archbishop Lefebvre, who, although very firm against the Modernists in his words, used diplomacy with them in order to achieve a niche for tradition in the Modernist system). Pius XII also had a great admiration for modern science and research. While there was nothing wrong with this in itself, it led him to trust excessively the input of modernist leaning persons who were intellectuals in their field, such as Bea and Bugnini. He made a number of abominable appointments as bishops, particularly of the known leftist Montini as Archbishop of Milan and another known pro-modernist Roncalli as Cardinal Patriarch of Venice. In so doing, he gave them both a direct path to the papacy, and indeed, they both were elected to this position after Pius XII died. He also failed to take sufficient measures to repress the modernist theologians, such as Rahner, Ratzinger, Küng, Teilhard de Chardin, and many others, who later emerged at Vatican II as the mentors and architects of the heretical direction which it took. Pius XII also surrounded himself with Modernists in the Vatican, such as Bea, Montini, and Bugnini. Finally, he was incredibly naive about the United Nations and the attempt to unite the world under one government. In 1958, he said this:
    Our century witnesses a progressively greater and organic development of the idea of “one” humanity, in which each of the parties should look forward to a transition, in the near future, from the status of alliance to that of a community in the strict sense of the word, a living and working community.
    (Discourse to the Marian Congregations of Italy, April 26, 1958)
    He also said:
    The institution of a community of nations, such as has now been partially realized, but which is to grow and be strengthened to a more elevated and more perfect degree, represents an upward movement, that is to say, from a plurality of sovereign States to a higher unity.
    (Discourse to the Fifth Assembly of the Union of Italian Catholic Jurists, December 6, 1953)
    It is not to be forgotten that the United Nations was founded by the convicted communist agent Alger Hiss and by the communist loving Eleanor Roosevelt.
    When one considers all these factors together in the assessment of Pius XII’s reign, it is easy to conclude that despite his impeccable orthodoxy in his teachings, there was nonetheless a serious weakness of action against the Modernists, a serious lack of prudence in regard to the appointment of bishops, and a serious naiveté in regard to the pernicious origins and goals of the modern world.
    I say these things only to explain how the liturgical changes crept in during the 1950’s. In short, Pius XII had no clear vision of what was necessary to protect the Church from the onslaughts of both ecclesiastics and politicians who were bent on creating a dogma-less humanitarianism, and an ecumenical New World Order to replace Catholicism, a perfect preparation for the Antichrist. We should not be surprised, then, that Pius XII displayed a certain weakness in regard to Bugnini’s Holy Week changes. Roman Pontiffs are protected from promulgating error, but they are not protected from imprudence.
    In summary, Pius XII was no Pius X.

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  23. In 1958, I would wager to bet that Bishops needed mandates to ordain and priests needed faculties to say public masses, preach, and hear confessions. Well obviously those Canon Laws are no longer being adhered to by trads and semi-trads. The home aloners use Canon Law as their justification to stay home on Sundays. I have heard many people criticize them for their decision. When we realize we are adrift and that in God’s Providence He has chosen to cloud mens minds for this time, we can all take what prudent steps we think we must to save our souls, without hurling dogmatic accusations at each other.

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    1. Well stated my friend. We are on the same side as are you and Lee. We all want to do what is right and best and we all take the faith very seriously. You him and me, are good Catholic fellows or at least try to be. (This is an educated guess based upon what I have seen written by you and Lee) If this causes animosity amongst us we can be sure the devil had his tail in there somewhere.

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    2. Tom A.

      In this case, if the cessation of law couldn't being applied, then the Church would no longer have the ability to sanctify the faithful through the sacraments, which would mean it won't ever being able to administer sacraments again (givin' the state we are in) before Christ comes again. If that were the case, then the gates of hell prevailed and Our Lord's promised failed. It's impossible for this to happen and the absolute home aloners are in error for believing it because cessation of law in this instance is necessary in order for the Church to keep functioning. If jurisdiction were such a big issue, then Archbishop Thuc, Bishop Guérard des Lauriers (a theologian), and some others wouldn't have dared do what they did. Of course you and I are in agreement about this. On the other hand, it's not a big deal to follow the Pius XII changes, unless of course ones makes it into a big deal and cessation of law certainly not necessary.

      I think the issue is many people aren't able to go anywhere else for Mass and they get mad at me because I come across as telling them that they cannot go to these Masses without sinning. It's one thing if you go because you have no other choice and you really need the sacraments (I have no problem with that, although I wouldn't do it) but it's another thing to go precisely because you are in agreement with such clergy by being against Pius XII's reforms. If the latter is the case, than that is part of being the real problem.

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    3. Lee, I am sure the vast majority of sedevacantists are simply glad to have an independent non-Bergoglian chapel to go to Sundays. I know I am and will assist at whatever version of Holy Week they use this year. Last Sunday I asked around and found out it will be the pre-55 version. It would not matter one iota to me if where the revised version. As long as that filthy blasphemous apostate and his his local heretical henchman of an archbishop is not mentioned or acknoledged in the Holy Canon, I’m happy.

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    4. I've had more than 1 valid Priest tell me that who's mentioned with the Canon is between our Blessed Lord and the Alter Christus.
      They also stated mentioning the local novus ordo "Bishop" and anti-Pope could be a prayer for their conversion.
      Is this true Introibo?
      God bless -Andrew

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    5. @Lee
      I ask this in all due sincerity please believe me,I'm not being rude.
      What does it matter what you do and do not have a problem with concerning where and what Holy Week we attend?
      God bless -Andrew

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    6. Andrew,
      The Mass is a PUBLIC act of Worship, the public prayer of the Church, and it is not the "private possession" of the priest. You have a right to know what he says.

      As to "Una Cum"--please read my post:

      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2018/07/una-cum-real-theologian-weighs-in.html

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    7. Technically they hold the office so it makes sense being a prayer for conversions of said doubtful Bishop's and anti-Pope.
      God bless -Andrew

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    8. “We, therefore, humbly pray and beseech Thee, most merciful Father, through Jesus Christ Thy Son, our Lord, that Thou wouldst accept and bless these gifts, these presents, these holy unspotted sacrifices, which, in the first place, we offer Thee for Thy holy Catholic Church, which Thou mayst vouchsafe to pacify, guard, unite and govern throughout the world: together with Thy Servant N., our Pope, N. our Bishop, as also all orthodox believers and promoters of the Catholic and Apostolic faith.”

      I cannot in good conscience attend a Mass that puts the name of apostates and heretics into this Sacred Canon. I will not assist at a Mass “together” with Frankie or the local heretical bishop.

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    9. The Te Igitur is not a prayer of conversion.

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    10. Read the article Introibo posted above concerning Una Cum.
      It's pretty much what many of the Thuc and Lefebvre line (resistance) Priests Bishops have told me.
      SGG and Most Holy Trinity Seminary are giving new reasons for dividing Traditional Catholics.
      -A

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  24. It is not fair to blame one group or another for division in the sedevacantist camps. That’s the nature of having no Pope. What did you expect? You want unity, talk the sede clergy into holding a conclave. Until that happens, division is simply a natural consequence of no hierarchy.

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    1. So just blame having no Pope for creating new divisions within trad Catholicism.
      That's nonsense.
      God bless -A

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  25. https://onepeterfive.com/experience-pre-1955-liturgy/

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    1. 1p5 is a non catholic, novus ordo r&r website who reject secondary infallibility. pre 55 may be nice but we MUST obey the pope. This just proves that the r&r heretics only care about externals

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  26. http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=36&catname=6

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  27. Hello Introibo,

    Can someone in good faith one observe as false Bp. Sandborn's position viz. https://inveritateblog.com/2021/03/18/the-pre-1955-holy-week/:
    "In other words, you cannot consent to the liturgical principles in the 1955 liturgy without consenting implicitly to the New Mass, of which they are a preparation and a beginning."

    And still financially support the seminary he runs, on account of all the other good they do?

    Samuel

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    1. the thesis and pre 55 need to go now. The thesis is disobedience to the dogmatic decree of paul iv in cum ex apostolatus offiico and the pre 55 is disobedience to the secondarily infallible reforms of pius xii

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  28. It seems to me that Pius XII’s assertions in “Maxima Redemptionis Nostrae Mysteria” that moving the Good Friday and Holy Saturday ceremonies to the morning hours caused “detriment to the liturgy’s meaning and … confusion between the Gospel accounts and the liturgical representations referring to them” and that “the solemn liturgy of the Easter Vigil especially, having been torn from its own place in the night hours, lost its innate clarity and the sense of its words and symbols” are heresy in violation of the Council of Trent, Twenty-Second Session, Canon 7 that you posted above. I think that we can all agree that confusion and lack of clarity in religious rituals are incentives to impiety. Then, if Pius XII was a heretic, then he was not a true Pope.

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    1. @anon5:29
      If that were the case, you would need to declare Pope St. Pius V a heretic and false pope. He revised the Missal in 1570 to make it better suited for the time. It in no wise implied that what was prior was "an incentive to impiety." Laws of discipline can become non-advantageous, and change would be better--not that anything prior was wrong.

      The "confusion" and "lack of clarity" arose on THE PART OF THE LAITY who were more educated. It was not something inherent in the Rites.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  29. Hi Introibo,

    I wanted to link you to this thread as it demonstrates that Fr Cekada has conflated the instability of the changes in the rubrics, which was an ongoing process with the introduction of the revised Holy Week, which was perpetual and stable as indicated in the legislation which promulgated it.

    https://tradcath.proboards.com/thread/2482/contra-cekada-1955-stable-perpetuity

    I hope this ends all controversy over this issue.

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  30. do you think it would be a sin to celebrate or assist at a mass not according to the revisions of pius xii, the only sede chapel anywhere near where i live does pre 55

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    1. @anon4:35
      In my opinion, it is not sinful. There is no authority to declare it sinful; it is truly Catholic; the clerics believe the law ceased.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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