Monday, June 16, 2025

Suicide: The Wrong Exit

 

It is with heavy heart that I composed this post. I had never personally known anyone who had committed suicide---until last month. I received a phone message that my friend "Peter" (not his real name---Introibohad tragically taken his own life. I had written on the painful and incredibly sad life of Peter before; See introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2022/04/covering-up-obvious.html. I cannot do his story justice here in a short synopsis, so I kindly ask you to read the whole story at the above referenced post.

Suicide is tragic in the extreme. I'm still reeling from the shock and sorrow in the aftermath, and wondering if there was anything more I could have done. He showed no signs of being suicidal and left no note. I'm writing this post to honor Peter's memory. I will set forth Church teaching on the topic, explain the possible causes of suicide, and expose the modern world's attempt to make taking your own life seem acceptable (at best) or even noble (at worst). In this way, maybe I can prevent someone from taking their life, no matter how bad their circumstances may be; and although we all must all leave this world one day, they may realize that suicide is the wrong exit.  

Church Teaching on Suicide

Suicide is either direct or indirect, according to both the intention and mode. A person who kills himself from knowledge and choice makes the act direct. The mode is direct if what is done tends by its very nature to cause death (e.g., taking a lethal dose of cyanide). Someone who is mentally ill would only kill himself indirectly. The mode is indirect if that which is done tends from its nature to another end, i.e. to struggle with a criminal wielding a gun. It is wrong to assume that all people are mentally ill, and the suicide is only indirect (although one is free to assume a majority may be psychologically disturbed). N.BIf someone mentally disturbed  kills himself, it would, in most cases, not constitute mortal sin, and they may not be damned. For sin to be mortal, the matter must be serious, and it must be done with full knowledge it is wrong and full consent of the will. The mentally disturbed will most likely lack the full knowledge and/or full consent of the will for mortal sin---Introibo

 Direct  suicide is always a mortal sin that deprives the person of ecclesiastical burial unless they were able to give signs of repentance before death (See Canon 1240, section 3). If the person who attempts suicide is unsuccessful, they are subject to various penalties pronounced in Canon 2350, section 2. If it is doubtful that the person killed himself, the doubt is decided in the decedent's favor that he did not, provided there would be no scandal. 

Suicide is a grave sin for three (3) reasons:

1.It is a most grave offense against the rights of God. The act usurps God's authority over life and death. "Thou, O Lord, hast the power of life and death." (Wisdom 16: 13). Human life has intrinsic worth because it comes from God, and God wills the salvation of all. The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity took on a human nature and died for humanity, to give all a chance to get to Heaven. 

2. It is a grave offense against society. A community has the right to be benefited by the lives of their members. It has a demoralizing effect on those who loved the person. People valuable to society would rashly kill themselves in a fit of depression thinking they are not valuable. Even members of society not able to contribute in any substantial, material way would deprive others of an example of fortitude, or the opportunity to show charity and mercy to the needy. 

3. It is a grave offense against the natural law. You cannot "love thy neighbor as thyself," unless there is love of self (not inordinate). Those who kill themselves to escape pain and miseries, incur the greater evils of death and moral cowardice, to be followed by eternal damnation--the greatest of all evils and suffering.  

(Material above condensed from theologians McHugh and Callan, Moral Theology, [1930], 2: 117-123).

The Alarming Statistics

Between 2020 and 2021, suicide rates alarmingly increased.  According to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, the statistics are startling:

  • Suicide is the 11th leading cause of death in the U.S.
  • Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death for individuals ages 20 to 34.
  • Suicide rates increased 37 percent between 2000 and 2018 and decreased 5 percent between 2018 and 2020. However, rates nearly returned to their peak in 2021. 
  • Each year, nearly 48,000 Americans die by suicide – that is 132 per day or 1 death ever 11 minutes.
(See brownhealth.org/be-well/rise-suicide)

Those are scary numbers. Next, consider the suicide statistics concerning young people from jasonfoundation.com:

  • Suicide is the SECOND leading cause of death for ages 10-24
  • Suicide is the SECOND leading cause of death for college-age youth and ages 12-18 
  • More teenagers and young adults die from suicide than from cancer, heart disease, AIDS, birth defects, stroke, pneumonia, influenza, and chronic lung disease, COMBINED
  • Each day in our nation, there are an average of over 5,240 suicide attempts by young people grades 7-12
Common Causes/Risk Factors of Suicide
  • mental health conditions
  • serious or chronic health conditions, particularly chronic pain
  • traumatic brain injuries
  • recent suicide attempts or recent discharge from a psychiatric unit
  • access to lethal means
  • prolonged exposure to stress
  • stressful life events, such as a death, relationship break-up, or job loss
  • exposure to another person’s suicide
  • a history of suicide attempts
  • a family history of suicide
  • experiencing childhood abuse, neglect, or trauma
  • use of alcohol and/or drug abuse
(See Op. cit.)

Things Connected to Suicide and Almost Never Discussed
There are four (4) contributing factors to suicide in today's culture that are hardly ever discussed. Each will be examined in turn. They are:
  • Involvement with the occult
  • Protestant and Modernist theology
  • Glamorization of suicide in the media
  • Acceptance of assisted suicide for the sick and elderly
Involvement with the Occult
I came across this article, written in 2017, which demonstrates exactly this point. The website containing the article is non-religious, and well worth reprinting here:

As occult practices are on the rise, contemporary theologians become increasingly interested in psychology, with many Christian authors wrestling with the question of how demons can influence mental disorders.

It is only fair to say, people with psychological problems should receive psychological treatment: and indeed the majority of therapists will point blank refuse to link depression with virtually any form of witchcraft, magic or occult involvement. But an increasing number of theologians appear less inclined to accept occultism as an innocuous pastime.

So, the question is: Can we screen episodes of mental illness from, literally, the devil's work?

While many forms of depression result from a chemical imbalance, it is usually a combination of events and a variety of long-term or personal factors, rather than one immediate issue that breed anxiety and depression. And as any mental disorder goes, it will be medical practitioners and therapists who administer treatments upon tracing the root cause of the problem.

But whereas it may be difficult to tell whether certain patterns of depressive behavior are innate or inherited, the article published last week in Open Theology suggests, a contact with the Satanic and occult rituals may trigger off psychopathological reactions. Psychopaths are generally less likely to suffer from typical depressive disorders, but drawing upon an extensive research, Dr. Zlatko Sram from Croatian Center for Applied Social Research argues, that people who practice black magic or have otherwise occult bondage in their history are particularly susceptible to comorbidity of depression and psychopathy.

The author conducted a survey on over one thousand participants and found strong evidence that people suffering from depression and psychopathy simultaneously are attracted to satanic practices as a means of obtaining magical power and control over their destiny—regardless of their sex or ethnic origin. The research categorized different esoteric practices that spanned from psychic séances, through black magic, to engaging with an occult society or reading books and magazines dealing with esoteric and occult issues. Psychopathy and depression were significantly predictive of "satanic syndrome" in individuals who had been subjected to the occult involvement, suffering bouts of depression and mental disorders nearly twice as often compared to the rest of society. Given the nature of the satanic syndrome, namely the fact that it is measured by specific occult practices, the author suggests to verify the scale of the problem in psychiatric hospitals and clinics.

This key correlation yields new perspective on the early-onset depression. "This is an important study in that it takes ontological claims seriously and supports the real possibility that demonic forms of bondage may be linked to psychopathology as [...] evil forces can interfere in human behavior." comments Prof. Ralph W. Hood from University of Tennessee at Chattanooga.
(See medicalxpress.com/news/2017-01-occult-depression-psychopathy.html; Emphasis mine). 

Protestant and Modernist Theology
The Protestant doctrine of "salvation by faith alone" lends itself to suicide. After all, if you believe in Christ and are guaranteed Heaven, if your life on Earth is miserable, why not kill yourself and go to paradise? The typical Protestant response to get out of that logical extension of their doctrine is to say, "If you REALLY believed, you wouldn't commit suicide" (so you can never be sure your faith is "real"), or "Once you are born-again you will not want to kill yourself" thereby implying you're not really "born-again" if you commit suicide. 

The Vatican II sect has eliminated any idea of Hell (or if it does exist no one--or almost no one--goes there. Peter was hit by a double dose of heresy, from the Vatican II sect in which he was raised (and abused), and from the "born-again" heresy to which he converted. It might have convinced him suicide would put him in a better place.

Glamorization of Suicide in the Media
Here, I give but two examples:

In 2017-2020, there was the Netflix series, 13 Reasons Why, which was based on an internationally bestselling book of the same name by author Jay Asher. It chronicles the story of Clay Jenson who has received cassette tapes in a package and hears the voice of deceased classmate Hannah Baker. He's one of 13 people who receive Hannah's story, which details the circumstances that led to her suicide. The show glorifies teenage suicide. Hannah was a victim of rape, cyber-bullying and other evil acts. She kills herself to "get revenge" on the thirteen people who wronged her. This female "protagonist" is shown as a "martyr," thereby displaying the show's complete disregard (and a warped understanding) of martyrdom. It also romanticizes suicide as "heroic."

The 2016 movie Me Before You is a PSA for assisted suicide. The movie tells the story of Will Traynor, who is a good-looking, wealthy, and intelligent young man. Will's spinal chord is irreparably damaged when a motorcycle strikes him as he crosses the street chasing a cab. He cannot accept his new life as a quadriplegic facing profound physical limitations, pain, and recurring episodes of pneumonia that undermine his efforts to rehabilitate what is left of his upper body function. He is determined to end his life even after meeting and falling in love with Louisa Clark (Lou), a quirky, young working-class woman from his hometown whom his mother employs in the hopes her companionship can help Will find the desire to live. He eventually argues that his death is his gift to Lou to free her from the bonds her devotion to him would place on her life. It seems a strange way to say “I love you.”

He is committed to dying because he used to be an athletic, adventurous, sexual player with considerable resources to thrill-seek in stunning international locales. One cynically could conclude if Will had been introverted, clumsy, and less attractive, the tragedy of his loss might have been more bearable for him. There is frequent mention of how much pain he is in, but it is difficult to determine whether this is primarily psychological pain. At one point Nathan, Will’s in-home medical healthcare provider, illustrates Will’s suffering for Lou by explaining Will often dreams he is his old self skiing, then endures the pain of waking up to this terrible reality. That is reason enough for Nathan to voice his full understanding of Will wanting to die.

The primary moral justification offered to support the choice for suicide is that this is Will’s decision, a direct appeal to the principle of autonomy. In this regard, Me Before You continuously begs the question in relation to the issue of physician-assisted suicide. All protestations are met with assurances that this is simply Will’s choice. No character is ever asked to argue whether this is a morally legitimate choice. No alternative voice is offered from other people living with this same condition that enjoy life. The film assumes the very thing that must be argued in continuously framing the issue as a settled matter of autonomy--and you, the movie viewer, should agree.

Acceptance of Assisted Suicide
A form of euthanasia, physician assisted-suicide is legal in many countries and in ten (10) U.S. states as well as Washington D.C. The term active euthanasia in this section is the same as assisted suicide.

Most Common Assisted Suicide Arguments:

1. The Autonomy Argument. Since biological life is not the real, moral issue, then life is not intrinsically valuable or sacred simply because it is human life. The important thing is that one has biographical life and this involves a person's ability to state, formulate, and pursue autonomously chosen interests, desires, and so on. If a person autonomously chooses to end his life or have someone else assist him in ending his life, then such action is morally permissible. One should be free to do as one chooses as long as no harm is done to others.

2. The Mercy Argument. It is cruel and inhumane to refuse the plea of a terminally ill person that his or her life be mercifully ended in order to avoid unnecessary suffering and pain.

3. The Best Interests Argument. If an action promotes the best interests of everyone concerned and violates no one's rights, then that action is morally acceptable. In some cases, active euthanasia promotes the best interests of everyone concerned and violates no one's rights. Therefore, in those cases, active euthanasia is morally acceptable. 

4. The Golden Rule Argument. Moral principles ought to be made universal. If I don't want someone to apply a rule to me, I shouldn't apply it to them. Similarly, if I want someone to apply a rule to me, I ought to be willing to apply it to others. Now suppose I were given a choice between two ways to die. First, I could die quietly and without pain, at the age of eighty, from a fatal injection. Or second, I could choose to die at eighty-plus-a-few-days of an affliction so painful that for those few days before death I would be reduced to howling like a dog, with my family standing helplessly by. The former death involves active euthanasia, and if I would choose it, I should be willing to permit others to choose it too. 

Replies to the Common Assisted Suicide Arguments:

A) Reply to the Autonomy Argument. First, it begs the question that there is no God and no Natural Law/Divine Law. The same could be said for all five arguments. However, all fail on separate and independent grounds as well. As to this argument, if we only need to protect people with "biographical lives," it would seem, then, that a person who no longer has such a life, who has no point of view, is no longer covered by the duty not to kill. However, if the person has lost the right not to be killed, it would seem that other rights would be lost as well, since the right to life is basic to other rights. In this case, it would be morally permissible to experiment on such a person or kill him brutally. Why? It is because we are no longer dealing with an object which has the relevant rights. 

B) Reply to the Mercy Argument. First, there are very few cases where modern medicine cannot alleviate suffering and pain. It is wrong ethical methodology to build an ethical doctrine on a few problem cases. The mercy argument violates this methodological principle by placing too much weight on an argument which only applies to a small number of situations. 

Second, though this can be abused, there is a point to suffering. One can grow through it; one can teach others how a wise, virtuous person handles life's adversities including suffering and death. The person can expiate his/her sins and offer the suffering up in union with the suffering of Christ.  One can also show that one cares for his or her membership in community with others and that is not right to withdraw from one another in time of need. Further, one can affirm the fact that people have value and purpose beyond happiness, the absence of pain, or the ability to pursue autonomously chosen goals.

Third, life is a gift and we are not the sole, absolute owners of our lives. We are made in the image and likeness of God. He decides matters of life and death, not us. 

C) Reply to Both the Best Interests and Golden Rule Argument. Two responses have been offered which apply equally to the Golden Rule argument and the Best Interests argument. First, the arguments beg the question against a sanctity-of-life view in favor of a quality-of-life view. In other words, if life is sacred, or if persons have intrinsic value simply by being human and, thus, are ends in themselves, then active euthanasia inappropriately treats a person as a means to an end (a painless state of death). Not everything a person takes to be in his own best interests is morally acceptable. Similarly, not everything a person would wish to have done to him or her is morally good. Quality-of-life judgments are often subjective and can be morally bad.

Put differently, a person can dehumanize himself--- and actually does so--- in active euthanasia by intentionally killing himself (or if someone else intentionally kills the person). Hence, when one engages in active euthanasia, one abdicates one's privilege and responsibility to live out one's life in community with and for others. This signals a failure of the community to be present to the sick person in a caring way. It also signals a failure of the person himself to die in a morally appropriate way (e.g., to teach others how to suffer and die) and to undergo a manner of dying which does not hinder those left behind from remembering the person in a morally helpful way. 

Conclusion

I grieve for Peter and pray for the repose of his soul. I ask all of my readers to please do the same. I wonder if I did enough to try and get him out of his apartment and help him. If anyone you know seems depressed and going through a hard time, please listen to him and let him know you are there to help. Don't be afraid to ask if they have thoughts of suicide. There are hotline numbers to call (now you can call 3 digits here in the U.S. --988). PRAY FOR THE PERSON. 

Suicide is a great way for Satan to get a soul in Hell. Never let anyone convince you otherwise. Call on the Blessed Virgin Mary when you feel alone and depressed. God will win in the end, not suffering and evil. However, you must stay close to Him and never despair in His help. "I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your seed." (Deuteronomy 30:19). 

39 comments:

  1. I have heard from a channel called ''Mother and Refuge of the end times'' claiming that people who commit suicide don't go to hell, which is false. Last June 5 to 6, Father Augustine Walz of the CMRI visited my house and said mass for us.

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    1. Ryan,
      That's a heretical and dangerous teaching by that person (do you mean the person "channels" a "spirit guide"?)
      I'm glad you have a Traditionalist priest to offer the Most Holy Sacrifice.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  2. Hello Introibo

    I am so sorry and sad to hear of your friend taking his life.I had a former school friend whom I knew had done the same thing.His mother came home to find him in the house dead.

    In my country of New Zealand we have one of the highest youth suicide rates in the developed world.Our youth are lost and have no thought of the next life.They are mixed up with Satanic rock music,drugs and sex.

    Thank you very much for writing on this sad subject

    God bless you and all readers

    TradSedeCath,NZ

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    1. TradSedeCath,
      The world is in terrible shape; thank God we have the Faith.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  3. I sympathize with you in this painful loss. God only knows what difficulties this man was going through that drove him to take his own life. Today's world promotes the culture of death and considers it a great step forward, when in fact it is a consequence of its apostasy. Even the V2 sect no longer condemns evil but approves of it, as in the case of the blessings of sodomite “couples”. These are dark times !

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    1. Simon,
      Thank you. It was painful to lose Peter, and he was another Victim of Vatican II.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  4. Suicide is definitely a horrific sin against the 5th commandment which will send people straight to Hell. The reasons you listed for suicide (Occult, Protestantism, Glamorization, and Euthanasia) are certainly reasons but you failed to make some very important points in this post about who is committing suicide and why. If we look at The West, most of the suicides are being committed by white males. They make up about 30 percent of the population but commit approximately 70 percent of the suicides in America. And we can look at suicides as a whole throughout the world, but this is clearly an epidemic that now exists in The West and we should know why this is happening. Here are a few reasons.

    Degenerate Culture and Technology: Th nihilistic music, bad movies, attachment to gadgets, hedonism as a religion and way of life, no higher purpose, just a cog in the machine working for a Fortune 500 company in a dead end job, fighting in unjust wars oversees for military industrial complex and Israel, low wages, competing with foreign labor, outsourcing, etc….)

    Feminism: No fault divorces mostly filed by entitled modern day women, abortion, the breakdown of the traditional family, men having to work for vindictive, power mad, and unhinged career women as their bosses in every sector of the economy, men and women competing with one another, etc….)

    Multiracial and Multicultural Society: White men being told they are evil and born guilty for being born white, affirmative action and DEI hiring, foreign nationals waving the flags of their third world homelands and starting antiwhite race riots in cities that our white forefathers established and built, The Sackler family and the opioid crisis, HB1 visas, No Go Zones, academia, the media, political leaders, incessantly talking about “White Fragility and White Privilege” and they rewrite history and talk about dispossessing whites in their own homelands.

    This all certainly has an effect on white suicide rates. Again, many people of many different backgrounds commit suicide. But suicide among western men is an epidemic and needs to be discussed at length or at least mentioned. We should help people who fall in despair no matter their background. Pray for them, give them a rosary and teach them to pray, help them convert. Suicide is a horrible sin that Satan leads many to commit. People will be condemned for these evil deeds but it is also worth mentioning the evil that leads people to commit the evil of suicide. I listed a few more here and a group that is greatly effected by it in America and the western world.

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    1. @anon5:55
      Thank you for your comment. I agree that the reasons you list are at least indirectly causing suicide by adding stress and pressure to an already stressful world. I would say that "Degenerate Culture and Technology" could definitely be considered a direct contributing factor.

      Thank you for the analysis, my friend.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  5. Introibo, I’m so very sorry to learn about your friend Peter’s suicide. Your 2022 post refreshed my memory of this man with his tragic history losing friends on 9/11 and as a victim of Novus Ordo priestly sexual abuse in his youth. It seems he had been isolated in his condo perhaps ruminating about the abuse, plunged into despair. Satan misses no opportunity to exploit severe depression, yet your friend rejected the information you continued to share with him about the one true Faith. It would have been his refuge in those dark hours.

    My sister had a good friend who committed suicide many years ago. The deceased friend had a Novus Ordo funeral which consoled my sister who couldn’t fathom the cruelty (in her mind) of traditional church teaching on suicide.

    Sadly, in California our evil governor oversees a state that has enacted assisted suicide legislation. Newsom and Justin Trudeau are buddies who share the exact globalist ideology that inspired California to mirror Canada’s assisted suicide law.
    Alanna

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    1. Alanna, I am Canadian and, indeed, our Liberal politicians like Trudeau and Carney, who claims to be Catholic, are fervent supporters of individual “rights” like abortion, sodomy and assisted suicide. The Conservative Party is weak on these issues, and in the last federal election I voted for the People's Party of Canada. Here in Quebec, it's even worse: it's a paradise for left-wing ideas, after having been Catholic until the disastrous 60s.

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    2. Simon, there are many similarities in the ultra liberal policies. It was just a matter of time for assisted suicide.
      Alanna

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    3. Alanna,
      Thank you for your condolences. It's interesting that you mention "It seems he had been isolated in his condo perhaps ruminating about the abuse, plunged into despair."

      Peter told me that as bad as 9-11 was, nothing hurt him more than what that "priest" did to him in his youth. He would still have nightmares about it. That "priest" ("sorry excuse for a human being" is more appropriate) is still alive at age 82 and being helped by the "bishop."

      None of the V2 sect clergy helped Peter.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  6. I really don’t know what to say, Introibo. I do hope that Our Lady interceded for Peter at the moment of his death on account of all of the prayers which had been offered by you and everyone who ever prayed for your friend.
    If this is of any comfort to you, Peter has been in my prayer intentions since you asked for them in the post detailing his tragic life story.

    A Vatican 2 pervert had destroyed the life of your friend. I pray he did not destroy his soul…

    Mother of mercy, have pity on Peter’s soul and on all of the victims of Vatican 2!

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    1. Joanna,
      Thank you, my friend. We must now all pray for the repose of his soul, as you did.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  7. Brother, I used to intercede for him every day. This makes me very sad. May the accursed sect descend to Hell!!

    Anyway, being that your friend was a police officer, it is possible that he didn't do it, that it was faked and a murder. Or that he had a psychotic moment and died before he could recover it. This is especially true if he left no note. I know this isn't the best way of consoling you but it is what works for me the best

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    1. I wouldn't be surprised by that. Poor police officers...good ones anyway. Many are freemasons. The work they do can also lead to mental issues/distress/despair.

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    2. Poni,
      Thank you for praying for Peter; continued prayers for the repose of his soul. Indeed, may the accursed Vatican II sect descend to Hell !

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. @anon5:15
      Good cops here in NYC are constantly under extreme pressure. They have a dearth of officers--no one wants the job. NYC is about 10,000 cops short of the police force it needs. What Peter endured in 9-11 compounded by his sexual abuse by a Vatican II sect "priest" would be enough to drive anyone mad.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. May his suffering merit his salvation! ?And our prayers. So sad!

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  8. Sorry for your loss! I recall reading your post about him. Will re‐read and pray for all as I do.

    Sadly I know many who have done same, especially in my novus ordo circles. The first I recall from my youth was a younger brother of a friend who went to our novus ordo catholic school. He was maybe 12. The family had no clue why. Many have killed themselves after having the covid vaxx, also a side effect especially among the young. So very sad.

    Does anyone know if taking the vaxx (or any vaxx made with murdered babies) is a mortal sin? This outlet says yes. I know they are R&R.
    https://catholiccandle.org/2021/01/01/reject-the-covid-vaccines/

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    1. @anon1:25
      Thank you. I never heard of the vaxx causing suicide; if you have any citation please pass it on so I may read it. I rejected the vaxx and would never take anything made from murdered children. I don't know if there's anything directly on point written by the approved theologians, but it certainly seems mortally sinful to me.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. https://protocolocoimbradrcicerogalli.com/2025/04/15/scientific-evidence-that-vaccines-currently-used-worldwide-cause-autism-spectrum-disorder-third-editorial-on-this-website-on-the-cause-of-autism/

      This doctor and others write/speak on suicide in youth, from general vaxxes not just covid vaxxes. All vaxxes are poison. The Poisoned Needle from the 1950s can be found online. One must read alot of non mainstream information to find the truth.

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  9. Introibo,

    I am very sorry to hear about the tragic loss of your friend “Peter”. I will keep the repose of his soul in my prayers as well as you my friend. Suicides are definitely on the rise more and more. I have dealt with more suicides than I have cared to deal with in the last several years. It just leaves the survivors who are left behind with one giant question of WHY? There are no answers. I always felt sorry for people who committed suicide and I pray that God has mercy on these souls. We don’t know in their last moments what goes through their minds or if they turn to God. We certainly hope they do. Taking one’s life is a very serious offense to God; however, only He can judge the soul of the person and knows the heart. We are only left to wonder.

    -TradWarrior

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    1. TradWarrior
      Thank you, my friend. Yes, we are sadly left to wonder.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  10. You surely know the story of St. John Vianney: a man committed suicide by jumping off a bridge; his wife (not of the parish) was waiting in line for confession with the great saint - they had never spoken - and St. JMV, leaving the confessional for a break, approached the widow directly and said "your husband is saved. He made a perfect act of contrition before hitting the water; he is in purgatory: pray for him".

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    1. @anon2:48
      I do indeed know that beautiful story. Thank you for bringing it up here.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  11. Oh, no! Introibo, I don't post here that often, but is he the one that I periodically would ask about?

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    1. Dave,
      Yes. He's the one you'd ask about here.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. I am very sorry for your loss. I felt a sort of kinship with that man which is why I would ask about him.

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  12. I'm going to say something unpopular, but completely true, about what sometimes leads to suicides. Unpopular because Traditionalists are afraid to discuss; true, nonetheless, because it happens in the real world....and traditionalists are NOT immune. Again, traditionalists are NOT immune.

    A lot of people who commit suicide are questioning their sexuality. They may think they are homosexuals, and a lot of this thinking comes from the fact that they were sexually abused by someone of the same sex. Combine that with being very young where without sexual abuse, some question themselves anyway, and now you have someone ---an uncle, a older brother, some other male who abuses you. It compounds what is already a confusing period of life.

    It is not unheard of, especially for boys, to go through a period, typically in their young teens, where they wonder if they might not be attracted to other males. Fortunately, the vast majority , probably some 97%, I would guess, come out of it just fine.

    Some never really do come out of it, but instead lead a double life, where they marry, have children, but secretly are still attracted to members of the same sex.

    Not a traditionalist, but I know of a case where a married man, with 7 children, left his wife and family...for a man.

    Rule of thumb: Being a man, married to a woman doesn't make you straight; being single, without a girfriend, doesn't make you gay.

    Now you add the cognitive dissonance of being in a very grievous sin but still having attractions; and, for some people, that can be enough to push them over into something so permanent as suicide.

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    1. Dave,
      I agree. Confusion about sexuality, if not resolved, can make one despondent. Homosexuality is a mental disorder and a moral disorder--it needs to be treated. Yet, as it has become "normalized," the sick and sinful inclinations are affirmed and lead to disaster for both the individual and society.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Dave, you may not be a traditionalist but you can always find helpful and friendly people here. God Bless.

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    3. I never said I wasn't a Traditionalist.

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  13. Sorry for your loss Introibo. I posted earlier, the St. JVM story, and hope such gives consolation to those who have lost others in similar circumstances. I believe firmly that Padre Pio is enjoying the beautific vision and note that, even as an old man, he used to pray and offer Mass that his grandparents would die holy deaths, decades after they had gone to judgement. God exists outside of time and what is past tense to us is not to Him. I have friends & family who have died outside the Faith and oft offer my Rosary that they received the graces, at death, to die in God's friendship and I understand this to be a right & proper thing to do. Indeed, I am reminded of a story recounted by... perhaps St. Alphonsus (perhaps another learner saint) of a Jewish man who converted and became a very holy priest and who laboured in many foreign missions. Anyway, he always prayed for the conversion of his obstinately Jewish mother and, when abroad on such a mission, he returned to learn that she had died, displaying no signs of conversion. However, it was related that the B. V. M. interceded at the time of her death and procured the necessary graces: the mother was saved.

    I have a wholly unrelated question(s) and hope the timing is not inappropriate: how do you personally regard the Litany of the Precious Blood (promulgated under Roncalli)? Obviously you wouldn't recognise its 'public' status, though do you regard it as questionable in itself? It wasn't composed by Roncalli and arguably his Vatican could lay claim to being a 'competent' source of composition.

    Similarly, what of Roncalli & Montinis' additions to the Divine Praises? That is, the verses "Blessed be His most Precious Blood / Blessed be the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete"

    Thank you in advance.

    JR

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    1. JR,
      In my opinion as a simple layman, I find nothing wrong or heretical with the Litany of the Precious Blood. However, since it was not promulgated by a true pope, it cannot be recited PUBLICLY, only privately. To be consistent, I also don't believe the additions to the Divine Praises should be recited publicly.

      The 1962 Missal is not a lawfully promulgated form of Mass. Fr. DePauw went back to the exclusive use of the 1958 Missal beginning 1/1/1965. It was the last Missal promulgated by a true pope. I believe as Father did, that whatever was approved and whatever was forbidden on 10/9/1958 (the day Pope Pius XII died) should remain that way.

      Some may object, "But you see nothing wrong with attending SSPX Masses as long as the priest is valid and they use the 1962 Missal." True, but Catholics are permitted to approach undeclared heretics for the sacraments when in need.

      As to prayers for those in the past, there's nothing heretical about it. It could be seen as God responding to all prayers for graces that person received-not going "back in time" to reverse something that already took place. I have a very different take on Padre Pio than you do. As sedevacantists, we must hold he cannot be a canonized saint as there was no pope to do such. However, unlike e.g., Fr Damien, who I believe would be a canonized saint were there a true pope, I cannot say the same for Padre Pio. One should never base an opinion on the faith because of something a saint did or said, unless he was an approved theologian or canonist. Padre Pio was neither. See my post https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2017/01/was-padre-pio-ecumenist.html. Yet, praying as you do, I do not think it is problematic, but not because of Padre Pio.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thank you Introibo. I assure you Padre Pio is one of God's holy ones, though, yes, obviously, he can not - and definitely should not - be referred to as such for the reasons you have outlined; I refer to him as 'Saintly Padre Pio'.

      God bless you and the Virgin protect you.

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  14. Introibo.Someone made the comment above about hip hop music.What is wrong with it?

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  15. What’s wrong with hip-hop?!! Is this a troll? What isn’t wrong with hip hop? The beats are produced to stir up the lower passions and bring man’s darkest impulses to the surface. The lyrics glorify murder, greed, obscenity, gang culture, the objectification of women, revenge, the occult, and utter depravity that is straight from the pits of Hell. The hip hop culture is about being a loud mouth who wears flashy and gawky jewelry, speaking like an illiterate fool (Ebonics). It’s vanity to one of its most disordered ends. Many think hip hop culture is masculine, but it’s effeminate. It’s grown men spewing filth and unable to restrain or control themselves in any way. It’s the 7 deadly sins celebrated in type of culture. Hip hop talks about the inner city struggle and the woes of blacks in America. These problems are almost all self inflicted on this segment of society and Hip Hop culture is a major reason why they are in such dire straight as a demographic. No civic responsibility, graffiti on their buildings, I could fill a book.

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