Nothing is what it seems to be. Consider the following:
- All classical and medieval literature is a forgery produced after the Renaissance. Troy, Jerusalem, Constantinople and London were originally one and the same place, and King Arthur was a Russian prince. The Old and New Testaments describe the same events. Jesus did exist but was also the Prophet Elijah and Pope Gregory VII rolled into one and lived in the 11th century in what is now Istanbul
- The Earth is not a globe, it is flat. Space agencies, especially NASA, are engaged in a massive effort to conceal the true nature of our planet
- There are no nuclear weapons. No atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki; it was an elaborate hoax
- The 1969 Moon landing was a hoax. One of the astronauts even admitted it
- The world is secretly manipulated by the English monarchy. They are behind all illicit drug operations. The ultimate goal is to start a nuclear war between the United States and Russia that will decimate most of the world's population. They will then re-colonize the survivors for English rule
- Giovanni Montini was a true Catholic and a true pope (Paul VI). Vatican II became evil after the real Pope Paul VI was kidnapped by Freemasons and locked away in the basement of St. Peter's Basilica. A Freemasonic agent then underwent enormous plastic surgeries to look just like him, and the fake Paul VI governed the Church to try and destroy Her
The "facts" above are what some groups of people actually believe. Like the blockbuster 1999 movie The Matrix, it's as if the entire world is manufactured and only an enlightened few realize what's going on. It's astounding how many otherwise intelligent people fall for bizarre nonsense. I haven't even touched on other conspiracies such as "Hitler was a good Catholic who was just misunderstood," and "all modern medicine is bad."
To be certain, conspiracies are real. There's even the crime of conspiracy, as spelled out in New York's Penal Code:
Section 1500.00 Conspiracy in the Sixth Degree.
A person is guilty of conspiracy in the sixth degree when, with intent that conduct constituting a crime be performed, he agrees with one or more persons to engage in or cause the performance of such conduct. Conspiracy in the sixth degree is a class B misdemeanor.
The dictionary defines a conspiracy as a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. Yet not all conspiracies are true. We need to be able to distinguish between them. At this point you may be asking why am I writing a post on conspiracies. Haven't I often stated that whether or not you believe in something like Bigfoot's existence is being hidden by the government, or that Elvis faked his death 48 years ago, has nothing to do with the Faith, therefore such beliefs need not be discussed? I found the need for this post for three reasons.
First, it can endanger your faith. I knew a Traditionalist that fell for a whacky conspiracy theory that Jesus Christ wasn't real, but an invention of the Jews to weaken the Roman Empire with "turn the other cheek" morality. He became an atheist. Luckily, by God's grace, he saw the errors and returned to the One True Church. It's another reason I don't get caught up in making apparitions the focus of faith (they are not). I believe in all approved apparitions, but I refuse to get into arguments over the "real meaning" of alleged messages, and the cover-up conspiracies which almost inevitably follow.
Second, it makes the sedevacantist position seem implausibly strange and dissuades others from converting. When some Traditionalists talk about, e.g., the flat Earth, most people will dismiss whatever they have to say about Vatican II as "kooky," just like their other ideas.
Third, some conspiracy theories are discussed as "dogma." Geocentrism and a literal six- day Creation are said by some to be "dogmatic," while heliocentrism and the Big Bang Theory are a plot by atheist scientists to undermine the faith. If you choose to believe in geocentrism and/or a literal six days of Creation, you can do so and be a good Catholic, but such belief is not dogmatic or required in any way.
The first part of my analysis will focus on how to distinguish a false from a plausibly true conspiracy. The second part will explain why Vatican II as a Robber Council (and sedevacantism) are not a "crazy conspiracy theory" as our enemies like to claim.
True or False Conspiracy?
Real conspiracies do exist. I will name two. There was a cover-up by tobacco companies to hide the proof that their product was unsafe and was linked to cancer. From The Washington Post:
In these boxes [of documents], Minnesota lawyers found evidence that tobacco companies had known for decades that smoking caused cancer, that nicotine was addictive and could be manipulated, and that filter and “light” cigarettes were not safer. The files revealed that tobacco companies targeted children and conspired to hide damaging evidence in ways that a federal court declared to be racketeering. Though the original documents dated to Minnesota’s 1994 lawsuit, they were released to the public in 1998 under a settlement between the state and five tobacco companies just before the case went to a jury. (See washingtonpost.com/outlook/minnesota-tobacco-document-depository/2021/08/25/cdc1ecfc-050c-11ec-a654-900a78538242_story.html).
In 1973, L. Ron Hubbard's cult of Scientology conspired to infiltrate the U.S. government to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and its founder. It was uncovered by the FBI. (See e.g., medium.com/@osirisuap/operation-snow-white-and-the-modern-ufo-narrative-the-complex-interplay-of-scientology-8d1badc1ebd4).
Questions to Ask Yourself in Evaluating a Conspiracy Theory
1. What evidence exists?
In the true instances cited above, there were leaked records at first in regards to tobacco, and a few Scientology operatives spoke with the FBI. In false conspiracies, the evidence is one or more of the following:
- anecdotal
- based on one or more "experts" (who may or may not be truly considered such)
- incomplete because "the powers-that-be are covering it up"
- purposefully twisted out of context
Examples:
"My uncle fought in World War II and he said no atom bombs were dropped on Japan." (Pure anecdotal speculation which proves nothing)
"Robert Sungenis is an expert in physics and knows the Earth is the center of the universe." (Sungenis holds no doctorate in physics and makes fundamental scientific errors. He is also not a theologian.)
"There's lots of evidence that Paul VI was an imposter. The Masons destroyed it all." (So how did you get this esoteric information?)
"Buzz Aldrin publicly admitted the astronauts never went to the moon."
(Pure hogwash. His quote was taken out of context; See fullfact.org/online/buzz-aldrin-moon-landing-fake/#:~:text=We%20have%20written%20about%20this,things%20need%20more%20money%20too.%E2%80%9D)
2. What evidence contradicts the conspiracy? Has said evidence been debunked?
A commenter claimed in a prior post claimed that nuclear weapons are not real and Hiroshima/Nagasaki were "carpet bombed;" there were no atom bombs. Other than his uncle's ipse dixit, he provided no evidence. Moreover, he would need to show that the proof for atomic bombings is false, to wit: There is the eyewitness account of Fr. Siemes. There's scientific proof of black rain. There is detailed medical accounts of radiation sickness. The hibakusha, the videos, the Manhattan project, etc. all need to be refuted. The usual response from a believer in a false conspiracy is that the counterevidence is "faked" (offering no proof of such), and you are benighted for believing "mainstream narratives" (yet they offer no proof for truth of the assertions of their "non-mainstream" sources/narratives other than they are "not mainstream").
3. Does the conspiracy involve everyone, and only a chosen few have knowledge?
Do you realize how many people would have to be in on a plot to:
- fake the six moon landings?
- hide the cabal of English operatives plotting WWIII?
- fake all of history?
- keep a fictitious story of a spherical Earth for centuries?
- fake nuclear weaponry for 80 years?
Yet the "gnostic few" know better; they have the secret.
4, What is the main source for the conspiracy?
"Our Lady of Bayside said..." an apparition (esp. one not approved by the Church), should never be the main or sole source for an alleged conspiracy.
Before moving on to the next section, I would like to let you know about the six conspiracies I listed at the beginning of this post.
The first conspiracy theory is the "New Chronology" conspiracy. It has two brilliant mathematicians and former World Chess Champion Garry Kasparov as proponents. This proves that just because you are very intelligent or an expert, you are in no way immune from believing something whacky and false.
(See e.g., telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1311163/Email-from-Russia.html).
The second conspiracy theory is from the Flat Earth Society.
The third conspiracy theory is from a commenter on a prior post. Some Flat Earthers believe this also.
The fourth conspiracy is from many moon landing conspiracy theories that can be found on the Internet.
The fifth conspiracy theory was from the followers of Lyndon LaRouche (1922-2019), who started a strange political movement. (See Dope, Inc., [1978] by LaRouche follower David P. Goldman.).
The sixth conspiracy theory is from the Palmar de Troya cult. Clemente Dominguez (later "Pope" Gregory XVII) claimed to have seen an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary. She allegedly told him the "real Pope Paul VI" was held prisoner by the Freemasons and replaced with a double who underwent plastic surgery. Any other "proof"? Sure! If you look carefully at pictures of Montini pre- and post- January 1964, you will see the Masons made one mistake---the ears of the evil double were crooked, unlike pictures before 1964. If that's not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, I don't know what would count as such.
Is the Rejection of Vatican II based on a False Conspiracy Theory?
In a word: NO! There were Masons and Modernists trying to change and destroy the Church for a long time. Satan, their master, has been doing so since Christ founded His One True Church. The Alta Vendita, and any other sources lay bare the goals of the Masons. The Modernists make it clear in their censured writings that they want to turn the Church into a broad and liberal Protestantism. That's lots of proof. The Pontiffs have written about their machinations:
If the right hand of God had not given Us strength, We would have drowned as the result of the terrible conspiracy of impious men. (Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, para. #1)
Some of you may perchance wonder that the war against the Catholic Church extends so widely. Indeed each of you knows well the nature, zeal, and intention of sects, whether called Masonic or some other name. When he compares them with the nature, purpose, and amplitude of the conflict waged nearly everywhere against the Church, he cannot doubt but that the present calamity must be attributed to their deceits and machinations for the most part. For from these the synagogue of Satan is formed which draws up its forces, advances its standards, and joins battle against the Church of Christ. (Pope Pius IX, Esti Multa, para. #28).
The Roman Pontiffs Our predecessors, in their incessant watchfulness over the safety of the Christian people, were prompt in detecting the presence and the purpose of this capital enemy immediately it sprang into the light instead of hiding as a dark conspiracy; and, moreover, they took occasion with true foresight to give, as it were on their guard, and not allow themselves to be caught by the devices and snares laid out to deceive them. (Pope Leo XIII, Humanum Genus, para. #4).
A third powerful factor in the diffusion of Communism is the conspiracy of silence on the part of a large section of the non-Catholic press of the world. We say conspiracy, because it is impossible otherwise to explain how a press usually so eager to exploit even the little daily incidents of life has been able to remain silent for so long about the horrors perpetrated in Russia, in Mexico and even in a great part of Spain; and that it should have relatively so little to say concerning a world organization as vast as Russian Communism. (Pope Pius XI, Divini Redemptoris, para. #18).
Unlike false conspiracies, there were many Modernists and Masons among the clergy, substantiated by multiple lines of evidence. There are those who try and demonstrate that pre-Vatican II teachings can be reconciled with post-Vatican II teachings. They have been consistently refuted. The conspiracy did not involve all Catholic clergy, and the contradictions to pre-conciliar dogma, championed by the Modernists, is there for all to see. The main source confirming a conspiracy are the authoritative teachings of the true popes. It passes all the criteria above.
However, I will not go into any of this in detail, and the reason is simple. No conspiracy is necessary to show Vatican II as a Robber Council and the Vatican II sect it spawned as a false religion.
The Effect Proves the Cause
Everyone recognizes that there are serious differences with what purports to be the Roman Catholic Church today and how She existed prior to the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965). What was always believed and taught was now outright contradicted. The Mass and sacraments were substantially altered. It is a dogma that the Church is Indefectible and will exist until the end of time. This presented a big problem for Catholics worldwide. It seemed like there was a new religion operating inside formerly Catholic churches. The clergy tried telling the people that only outward appearances changed, but the "substance" of the faith, morals, Mass, and sacraments remained.
This simply was not the case. The teaching of the Church regarding such topics as ecclesiology, religious liberty, and collegiality was completely different. The "Mass" was now identical to the invalid bread and wine "Lord's Supper" at the local Lutheran church, and it introduced practices that had been condemned pre-Vatican II. Either the Church had been wrong from its founding by Our Lord Jesus Christ until Vatican II (in which case the Church was never founded by Christ and is a lie), or the Church was wrong after Vatican II (however, the dogma of Indefectibility teaches that the Church cannot teach error or give evil and She will last until the end of the world). The answer is to be found in the traditional teaching of the approved theologians and canonists: that it is possible for the pope, as a private theologian, to publicly profess heresy as a private theologian and fall from the pontificate by Divine Law. It is also taught that a heretic cannot obtain the papacy. These very real theological possibilities are referred to as sedevacantism (meaning "the seat/See of St. Peter is vacant). Sedevacantism, broadly speaking, is the position that there is currently no pope, and the man Jorge Bergoglio, commonly accepted and called the pope, is in fact a false pope, with no known real pope at present. More specifically, it is the position that the men considered successors to Pope Pius XII are not legitimate successors, and the last known pope was Pius XII.
Vatican II was convoked by Angelo Roncalli, the man known to the world as "Pope" John XXIII. Just as a cause is known by its effects (e.g., the fine-tuning of the universe points to the transcendent God Who created it), Roncalli did things which no true pope, protected by the Holy Ghost, could do. For a complete analysis of John XXIII, see my post:
The Case Against Roncalli: introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-case-against-roncalli.html
The Church under Pope Pius XII had the Four Marks and was clearly the One True Church in continuity with all popes before going back to St. Peter. The problem began when Roncalli started to rehabilitate all the Modernist theologians censured under Pope Pius XII and called the Council to "update" the Church. Roncalli either never obtained to the papacy (in my opinion the more likely scenario) or lost his authority after the election by public profession of heresy as a private theologian. Only a false pope could have signed Pacem in Terris.
Vatican II was convoked by Angelo Roncalli, the man known to the world as "Pope" John XXIII. Just as a cause is known by its effects (e.g., the fine-tuning of the universe points to the transcendent God Who created it), Roncalli did things which no true pope, protected by the Holy Ghost, could do. For a complete analysis of John XXIII, see my post:
The Case Against Roncalli: introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-case-against-roncalli.html
The Church under Pope Pius XII had the Four Marks and was clearly the One True Church in continuity with all popes before going back to St. Peter. The problem began when Roncalli started to rehabilitate all the Modernist theologians censured under Pope Pius XII and called the Council to "update" the Church. Roncalli either never obtained to the papacy (in my opinion the more likely scenario) or lost his authority after the election by public profession of heresy as a private theologian. Only a false pope could have signed Pacem in Terris.
Solid Catholic Theology
The Church has always taught that the pope, as a private theologian, can profess heresy and fall from office immediately by Divine Law:
Proof:
Doctor of the Church St Alphonsus Liguori: "If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate."Oeuvres Completes 9:232.
Theologian Iragui: "...theologians commonly concede that the Roman Pontiff, if he should fall into manifest heresy, would no longer be a member of the Church, and therefore could neither be called its visible head."
(See Manuale Theologiae Dogmaticae. Madrid: Ediciones Studium [1959], pg. 371).
Canonist Badii: "A publicly heretical pope would no longer be a member of the Church; for this reason, he could no longer be its head."( See Institutiones Iuris Canonici. Florence: Fiorentina [1921], pgs. 160, 165).
Theologian Prummer: "Through notorious and openly divulged heresy, the Roman Pontiff, should he fall into heresy, by that very fact [ipso facto] is deemed to be deprived of the power of jurisdiction even before any declaratory judgement by the Church....A pope who falls into public heresy would cease ipso facto to be a member of the Church; therefore, he would also cease to be head of the Church."(See Ius Canonicum. Rome: Gregorian [1943], 2:453).
1917 Code of Canon Law: Canon 188, section 4: "There are certain causes which effect the tacit (silent) resignation of an office, which resignation is accepted in advance by operation of the law, and hence is effective without any declaration. These causes are… (4) publicly defects from the Catholic faith.”
N.B. Theologian McDevitt writes:
"The defection of faith must be public. It is to be noted immediately that adherence to or inscription in a non-Catholic sect is not required to constitute the publicity that the canon demands." (See The Renunciation of an Ecclesiastical Office, [1946], pg. 139).
The great canonist Ayrinhac taught in his General Legislation in the New Code of Canon Law,:
Loss of Ecclesiastical Offices. Canons 185-191 “...applies to all offices, the lowest and the highest, not excepting the Supreme Pontificate.” (p. 346).
Heretics cannot attain the papacy
Canon 188 simply restates that a heretic is barred by Divine Law from obtaining the papacy. The pre-Vatican II canonists affirm that it is not canon law, but rather God's Law that prevents a heretic such as Bergoglio from obtaining the office of pope in the first place.
Proof: According to canonist Coronata, "III. Appointment of the office of the Primacy. 1. What is required by divine law for this appointment: … Also required for validity is that the appointment be of a member of the Church. Heretics and apostates (at least public ones) are therefore excluded." (Institutiones 1:312; Emphasis mine)
According to Wernz-Vidal: "Those capable of being validly elected are all who are not prohibited by divine law or by an invalidating ecclesiastical law… Those who are barred as incapable of being validly elected are all women, children who have not reached the age of reason; also, those afflicted with habitual insanity, the unbaptized, heretics, schismatics…" (Jus Canonicum 1:415; Emphasis mine).
Notice that no citation here mentions (or requires) the existence of a conspiracy.
Conclusion
Conspiracies have happened and continue to take place. However, all conspiracy theories are not true; especially when those theories make it seem as though the entire world is fictitious and nothing is as it appears. Use reasoning skills to see how an alleged conspiracy holds up to critical thinking.
Modernists and Masons have been proven to plot against the Church, yet we know Vatican II to be false wholly apart from any conspiracy. If you still want to believe the Earth is flat and the center of the universe, you can do so and still be a Traditionalist Catholic. Just please don't (a) tell others they must believe it and don't (b) share it with others unless/until they know you well. These conspiracy theories will only make obtaining converts very difficult, and make an already complicated position (sedevacantism) seem crazy to those who don't understand both the facts and theology behind it.
Before I became a traditionalist, I fell gullible to conspiracy theories. Now, I can see that those conspiracy theories are just deceptions. Even +Bishop Williamson's group fell to the trap.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget that Satan is the father of lies. No one is immune to his deceptions; even traditionalist Catholics can be fooled. The proof is that the vast majority of Catholics adhered to Vatican II, but we are the small remnant faithful to the true religion.
DeleteRyan,
DeleteYes, Bp. Williamson was quite the strange man. I knew him when he was a priest and he was arrogant and was susceptible to whacky ideas---yet refused the truth of sedevacantism!
God Bless,
---Introibo
https://youtu.be/PllP0o41rqE?si=t7fXFNE0OIzlsIUD
ReplyDeleteJust so you know I have not read the article yet. But I want to get peoples opinion this.
Yes the moon landing is also false. Many evidences one can find about this nonsense. So much is to distract while evil marches on with one world order. This is all operation mockingbird...media, TV, entertainment propaganda to lull the masses into hypnosis/control.
DeleteJohn,
DeleteYes, the moon landings were quite real!
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anon5:33
Delete"Many evidences." Let's hear some. We have Aldrin's words clearly taken out of context. Clips of the moon landing showing non-parallel shadows--that can be scientifically proven to happen. Nonsense about the Van Allen Belt not allowing anything to escape Earth, etc. An alleged "death bed confession" by Cyrus Eugene Akers who "saw the faked moon landing" but was "visited by Men In Black" (!) ---who would think Will Smith would be in on the PLOT!!
---Introibo
Where is your evidence it is true, from NASA and government narratives and all is as it seems according to you? Ha. Sad and hilarious. The TV showed it so it must be real? Hope you don't get 97 vaccines they recommend.
Delete@anon8:18
DeleteOk, how about:
* Retroreflectors on the moon that can bounce lasers
*SELENE photographs from Japan
*The missions were tracked by radar from several countries on the way to the Moon and back
*Existence and age of Moon rocks
Yet, ALL OF IT IS FAKED!! That's all moon conspiracists have, an empty assertion. They even twist words out of context in the case of Aldrin to protect their precious conspiracy.
---Introibo
Why haven't they been back you the moon? Why do you believe they were there?
Delete@anon9:34
DeleteThey went back five more times. Why not continue to do it ad infinitum? Wasteful government spending on nonsense and cutting space research funding. JFK wanted to go to win the Space Race against Communist Russia. No surprises there.
---Introibo
Conspiracy theories are considered far-fetched in our time because of the many conspiracy theories that are not credible, but there are real conspiracies. It is important to be able to discern the true from the false.
ReplyDeleteI am reposting a post from Novus Ordo Watch about a book by Msgr. Henri Delassus on the anti-Christian conspiracy. I think it might be of interest to readers of this blog:
https://novusordowatch.org/2025/03/henri-delassus-antichristian-conspiracy-english/
Simon,
DeleteThank you for posting that. Well worth the read. He is spot on as usual. John Gregory
Thanks Simon. The first Sanborn video I listened to had some things I never heard/learned. In 1600s 2 Masses per day was church law, low then high.
DeleteSad where we are now...
And much is not true and even Introibo is fooled on many fronts from what I can gather by his post today. Yet I cannot find one other soul (other than this blog and sede priests online) who knows the NO church is false and evil...the biggest conspiracy of all!
Simon,
DeleteThank you for the link! You said it best "It is important to be able to discern the true from the false."
God Bless,
---Introibo
Great article: I'm not sure if anyone thinks the USS Liberty ordeal was a set up.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/PD5gtM1A990?si=rhsumpe4ekMF4MfN
Yes 911 is part of new world order agenda to get the sheeple under control with fear so all give up their "rights"...there are plenty of examples of these kill operations, yes, convid is too. This one is killing many but it won't be enough to please the depopulators so get ready for a new psyop soon.
DeleteQuestioning 911 on this forum is bad, but don't even think about implicating the jews on anything here, John.
Delete@anon6:05
DeleteI don't believe the entire truth of 9/11 has been told. Definitely the government was in on it. As to the Jews, yes, they are the Deicide Race and have done/continue to do many bad things. That doesn't mean Every. Single. Jew.
I even had commenters claiming that no Jew can sincerely convert they all go to Hell of necessity (a denial of God's universal salvific Will--heresy). Then as "proof" someone is lying some will comment that their grandmother was one-quarter Jewish---as if that "proves" the person evil!
St. Teresa of Avila is therefore a "phony saint"--Her paternal grandfather was a converted Jew, so he wasn't really Catholic, and St. Teresa's spirituality was meant to lead people to Hell!!
I have been accused of being "a Jew lawyer" or my wife "must be Jewish" if I don't believe this nonsense.
Give it a rest.
---Introibo
The Jews caused 9/11, hate people and fund terror organizations to start wars in the middle east.
DeleteThey also fund communists when it benefits them
DeletePoni,
DeleteBe careful. I know of no evidence that the Jews caused 9/11. When you say Jews "hate people" does that include St. Teresa's grandfather? Yes, many Jews do fund Communism and terrorist organizations.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Israel was likely involved in 9/11. When I say Jews "hate people" I mean it in the same way we say Muslims "hate people". If St. Therese grandfather did or didn't hate people, that's not my problem. When I speak of "the Jews" I speak generically and without specifics
DeletePoni,
DeleteSpeaking generically, you are correct.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Anon 6:05 - your statement is a mere ipsi dixit, I provided an explanation for my claim. Intriobo is a a real man who can handle himself quite well without an anon boot licker kissing up to him. He is a good friend of mine that encourages respectful debate.
DeleteUnlike you who just call things "bad" because you say so. And threaten people not to state truth that much of the evil in this world stems from judeo/masonic roots.
Go back to bed.
Also 911 was an inside job. Buildings do not just sink into themselves when the top of them are hit by airplanes. Ask any engineer. Also convids and JFK clearly were. Also certain types of people have been screwing things up since the time of Christ.
ReplyDeleteThat being said. I fully agree not all conspiracy theories are true. Some people refuse to believe anything UNLESS it is a conspiracy theory.
John.
DeleteI agree that the government was in on 9/11. Some things we can know are wrong without needing a conspiracy like Vatican II. I was against the vaxx from the outset because of the medical/scientific standard, that to be deemed safe, ANY medical treatment MUST be subjected to clinical trials for five years at MINIMUM. That in itself made me refuse the vaxx.
What you said is so true (and sad)---"Some people refuse to believe anything UNLESS it is a conspiracy theory."
God Bless,
---Introibo
If you say/imply any vaxx or mnra poison is good or neutral, you are spreading terrible lies to people which will lead to their death. Are you seriously saying 5 years (or 1 month) was not enough time to test? Murdered babies in all those vaxxes. Time and testing ain't gonna make those shots moral or good in any way. Poisons intending to kill. I know over 400 dead.. you?
Delete@anon8:46
DeleteI'm not saying or implying that the vaxx is good or moral. My point was that if anything medicinal is not subjected to 5 years of clinical trials, it is unsafe--no more need be said for me to reject it. Yes, it is immoral and bad for health. No one should get it. I'm simply saying YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO FAR TO KNOW IT NEEDS REJECTION.
---Introibo
I don't know how it is in the United States, but in my country, Brazil, there is a worrying trend among some traditionalists to treat everything as “gnostic” or “esoteric.” They accuse most of the saints and theologians prior to Vatican II, such as St. John of the Cross, Thomas à Kempis, and St. Bonaventure, of being Gnostic infiltrators seeking to corrupt the Church from within. They believe that the mysticism of St. Teresa of Avila, who was of Jewish descent, of course, is inspired by the Jewish Kabbalah. They also believe that most of the Traditionalist clergy are heretics or involved in some way with Freemasonry and other secret societies. It sounds crazy, but it serves to show how far falling into these type of conspiracy theories can take you.
ReplyDeleteMichael,
DeleteVery scary, indeed, my friend! You are a very level-headed person. Thanks for commenting.
God Bless,
---Introibo
TradWarrior
ReplyDeleteI have something to ask you.
You said in past comments that you raised numbers of questions to lay people about the Novus Ordo Church when you were attending discussion meetings.These folk would look to their "priests" for answers which they would not or could not answer.What were some of these questions?
I know a local Novus Ordo "priest" who can't see he is in a non Catholic sect.He is one of the so called conservative types and often preaches with a forked mouth.
Thanks,PW
PW,
DeleteThank you for writing to me. There were several different theology discussions that I attended. I mean a LOT of theological discussions through the years! Some of them I was not yet Sedevacantist but I was fully aware of the horrendous differences between pre and post Vatican II. The later times, I had come to embrace the Sedevacantist position and was posing questions to the most “knowledgeable” conservative Novus Ordo clergymen that I knew. One such instance was simply a list of heretical statements that Francis had made while he was “pope”. They were so damaging that I wanted to see how this Novus Ordo priest would respond. He was quite possibly the most knowledgeable Novus Ordo “priest” in his archdiocese. He had nothing to come back at meet with and there was no satisfaction from the crowd that was present there that night at the talk. He appeared to be very nervous when responding to me and all the points I raised for a few minutes. They were looking to him to provide something. And I must mention, this man was VERY intelligent. He authored many books and much of his research was fascinating I will admit. As a Sedevacantist now, I do not agree with it all, but he was definitely a very learned man, there is no question. He had nothing when he spoke at the microphone in response to my questions/comments that I presented that night against Francis. It was apparent to everyone present there that night. There were between 75 to 100 people present that night for that talk. (Many of the topics that I raised that night, I did send Introibo an email about this topic. He may use this information in a future post, which I am completely fine with.)
On one other occasion, I was at a theological discussion with another Novus Ordo priest. The “priest’ and lay people present already knew that I had a very good handle on the faith. I raised just one issue after one particular talk that he gave. It was very simple. It was how Pope Pius XII said that the Church of Christ and the Catholic Church are one and the same thing. I raised the “subsists in” issue from the Vatican II ecclesiology (which was clearly a contradiction). The priest made a quick, snide remark at me, everyone laughed, and he said “we can discuss this later as I told you before.” It was to that effect. He never said before to me “we can discuss this later as I told you before”. He completely dodged the issue and was just trying to make himself look good. The crowd laughed and found him funny. Internally I said to myself, “You can bring your ‘archbishop,’ your ‘auxiliary bishops,’ and every ‘priest’ in this diocese to this church, numbering a few hundred, and I will take all of you clowns on at once and I will destroy all of you in front of all the lay people that could pack this church or any church of your choosing, and I could do this absolutely effortlessly to the shock and dismay of all the lay people present, if I so chose.” Externally, I just smiled and let him take further questions from the crowd.
Regarding your comment about the Novus Ordo “priest’ you know that cannot recognize that he is in a non-Catholic sect, I too know many in the same boat. I know a LOT of Novus Ordo priests. For the most part, I don’t even waste my time with the whole Novus Ordo vs. Sedevacantist debate. It’s not worth my time and effort unless they are actually interested in seeing the Truth. Their pride gets in the way of that and I am not going to waste time helping them when I could help others. There is one Novus Ordo clergyman who I invested a lot of time and effort into. I really tried to help him. He is a very confused man to this very day. He thinks that everyone is a Catholic whether they are Novus Ordo, Recognize-and-Resist, or Sedevacantist. It is sad. He absolutely refuses to pick 1 of the 3 positions. They are all Catholic to him.
One final point, the apostolate “Tradition In Action” never responded to my letter I wrote the other week. I am not surprised.
God bless you and thank you again for your questions.
-TradWarrior
Interesting stories TW! I have much of the same. Even NO folks do not even know what novus ordo means so...
DeleteSad about TIA...thanks for uodate!
They didn't respond to my last email either but they usually do.
John Gregory and others
ReplyDeleteHave you read any of Victor Thorns books?
@anon3:23
DeleteNo.
---Introibo
I have not. Some conspiracy theories simply cannot legitimately be denied. The started using "conspiracy theorists" in a derogatory manner after JFK. John Gregory
ReplyDeleteYou didn't even mention covid scam here so.. I am thinking you lack much knowledge.
ReplyDelete@anon7:47
DeleteI do mention it in the comments, but no conspiracy is necessary to know the vaxx is bad. Not mentioning something is not the same as denying it's a scam.
---Introibo
It is the biggest scam in last decade so to exclude it from this post seems...intentional or...
Delete@anon8:52
DeleteSay it.. A CONSPIRACY!! Yes, I left it out because I'm a secret Jew lawyer working for the reptilian aliens who are taking over the world!!
Does that version of "reality" help you sleep better? Good on you!
---Introibo
Such a bizarre answer...and elusive like some NO priests I encountered. Now I see why a sede priest told me he will not read your posts.
Delete@anon9:14
DeleteBizarre like your implication---and not elusive. There's no need to go into COVID as it is a great example of a believable conspiracy. Not many know about tobacco and Scientology. There are sede priests who read me and those who don't. I'm not here to please people, only help the best way I can. Fr. DePauw had his detractors among Traditionalist clergy too. It proves nothing, just like moon landing conspiracy "evidence."
---Introibo
How is covid a "believable conspiracy"‽ Govt and big pharma conspired to kill people willing to line up...True or false?
Delete@anon10:14
DeleteLike Vatican II it is a conspiracy that you can believe based on the evidence, not like the Palmarian "Crooked Ears" theory regarding Montini!
---Introibo
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteDid you forget this question from 4 days ago?
Do you know what Thomas Droleskey's opinion on where to go to Mass currently is?
@anon8:03
DeleteI knew the good doctor back when he ran for the US Senate here in NYS! Unfortunately, I have no idea what his opinion is on where to attend Mass. Is there a way to contact him through his website, Christ or Chaos?
Sorry I forgot to respond before!
God Bless,
---Introibo
I can tell you he would never go to an una cum heretic Mass. Lux Vera lists all such Masses in the country and world.
DeleteI am tired of people being so blind. 911 and fake wars are Rockefeller new world order creations...and fake viruses! Good luck to all believing the lies and conspiracies (like novus ordo nonsense)!
ReplyDelete@anon8:07
DeleteThe V2 Sect is not at all like the conspiracy theories I mention. Read the post.
Interestingly Rockefeller was compromised and was doing the bidding of others. But he was not adverse to doing evil without prodding.
Deletehttps://youtu.be/flp4UufZALI?si=24J9U6shpA5pXxjP
Delete15 min video re Rockefeller
Introibo,what are your thoughts on the writings of Anne Catherine Emmerich?Safe to read?Thank you and God bless
ReplyDelete@anon8:29
DeleteIn my (layman's non-Magisterial) opinion it is good to read. I have it in my library, and it inspired "The Passion of the Christ."
If you want to read it for edification, that's fine, but please do not substitute the works of, e.g., St. Ignatius Loyola, St. John of the Cross, etc.
God Bless,
---Introibo
May everybody please pray for the repose of the soul of Thomas A Nelson who has died.He started Tan books back in 1967.He must of sold thousands of Traditional books.
ReplyDeleteA good video on youtube to watch called Pope Leo's latest Move has shocked "True Catholics" I put sceptical quote marks around True Catholics as it's about Indult type Novus Ordo folk.They need to wake up and get out of Novus Ordo.
God bless everyone
TradSedeCath,NZ
TradSedeCath
DeleteMay Mr. Nelson rest in peace. I spoke with him at length about 35 years ago. Mr. Nelson refused to publish a small book Fr. DePauw had written on the dangers of the new so-called "Mass," which Nelson rejected as "schismatic" yet published two books on the topic; one by Fr. James Wathen (a Feeneyite) and one by Rama Coomaraswarmy (a doctor turned married priest and ersatz theologian). Later, a book on the propers of the Mass written by Fr. Cekada (open sedevacantist) would be published. Fr. DePauw, an approved theologian, was the most competent of the three by far.
Nelson sold his business to the Vatican II sect and they immediately halted further publication of those three books. What position did Nelson hold? Only God knows. When I spoke to him, he seemed to be a "conservative" member of the Vatican II sect--but his publication decisions are all over the place.
Thank you for commenting, my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the wonderful article. It is very fair and well balanced. There are conspiracy theories that are certainly true, there are conspiracy theories that are so far out there that they are just plain stupid, and then there are some in the middle that you don’t know which ones are true and which ones are false. Maintaining the Traditional Catholic faith is the most important thing for us to do. Everything else is just secondary. The discussions are definitely intriguing and worth talking about, but they are still secondary. I accept all true apparitions that the Catholic Church has approved and I do find them interesting. No one of course has to believe any of them, public revelation is enough. There are people that take them so far that they get upset if you disagree with them when they claim, “But Our Lady said this!” and “Our Lady said this would happen!” When they start using private revelation as a starting point over public revelation instead of using authentic private revelations as a mere supplement to public revelation (which is binding), you know they have gone off the rails.
-TradWarrior
TradWarrior,
DeleteThank you, my friend! You are one of the most sound and reasonable Traditionalists.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Yes TW! I know folks who say they traditional bit believe all the NO apparitions, such as Bayside. I asked point blank why this person believes Mary would instruct anyone to go into NO false churches? Never any answers. They don't even think about what they are defending. Just like people didn't think or look into taking poison experimental shots. I still think and pray for the NO priest I was trying to teach. He was also very intelligent. He was very pro life so I was shocked he took shot. I told him so and begged him to stop. He was one of the believers of the medical industry and now of course he is dead.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, From Rome guy posted this...
https://www.fromrome.info/2025/08/19/why-paul-ivs-cum-ex-apostolatus-officio-was-not-abolished-by-1917-code/
Generally speaking, the "operation of error" which is the propaganda arm of the "mystery of iniquity" is the devil's war against what is true.
ReplyDeleteThere are certain errors which are made a kind of secular dogma and once established, they prepare the way for further error. The theory of evolution is one, the haxx is one of the latest. One becomes a 'heretic' of sorts by dissenting from the 'official' story made official by the media who quote corrupt officials, etc.
(As an aside, there are quite a few events of which it is apparent something happened, but I don't believe the official story; either in details or in its narrative interpretation, as the case may be.)
The 'narrative' is the product of the operation of error. It is an interpretation of what 'appears to be' which is geared toward a predetermined goal - globalism - and it is underpinned by what I've come to regard as the false god, equality/equalism, to which all things must be bent (like communism) and is, in a way, the devil in plain sight while he'd convinced the world he doesn't exist.
As for some of these esoteric conspiracy theories I am sure the operation of error does not mind them.
I call non-esoteric theories to be "evil plans or actions revelations" (if they are reasonably proven though not of course admitted by the msm operation of error) and "evil plans or actions soeculations" if there is no way to be close to reasonably sure. (Just my way of re-framing the terminology 🙂)
cairsahr_stjoseph
DeleteThank you for commenting--you always make an interesting point!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo
ReplyDeleteThe funeral for Mr Nelson is being held in a indult Church in Rockford,IL of the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign priest.Yes,he was a member of the Vatican Two Sect.
Are you aware of what has happened to the once Traditional Redemptorists who are based in northern Scotland and were with the SSPX till they sold out to Apostate Rome.Well,they had a house,chapel and monastery here in New Zealand in the South Island.They have been given their marching orders by the local "bishop" backed by Leo XIV.I wrote to Father Michael Mary back in 2008 and told him he was making a HUGE mistake with his sell out.I knew this was going to happen.
God bless everyone
TradSedeCath,NZ
Unfortunately, most Catholics (and non-Catholics) do not realize that there even is a conspiracy (a conspiracy that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ warned us about, when He said: „If THEY persecuted me, THEY will persecute you too“ – and that was way before the „Freemasons, Illuminati and Modernists“!). Life on Earth is a battle between Good and Evil – but how many people even believe that there is a devil, and that Satan is the lord of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)?
DeleteA good friend of mine, who didn’t believe in "conspiracy theories" and even thought that the covid vaccine was safe, is dead now - he died about 1 ½ years ago at 56 years of age. After visiting his mother after his passing, I learned that he had received 4 covid shots altogether (the company where he worked had required it of him). As his mother told me, he had left (what he thought to be) the „Catholic Church“ years before. – So, as this example shows, it can be dangerous NOT TO BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACIES (in this case: the conspiracy to get people vaccinated with the dangerous "covid shot" [as I learned later, there were different batches of the vaccine – that’s why not everybody died or got sick; the more shots someone got, the higher the risk of receiving a dangerous shot]. – "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge …" (Hosea 4:6).
But of course one has to be careful/intelligent enough not to fall for fake conspiracy theories (nonsense like: "Christianity is a hoax", "flat earth", "aliens rule the earth" etc.).
"Someone asked me the other day if I believe in conspiracies. Well, sure. Here's one. It is called the political system. It is nothing if not a giant conspiracy to rob, trick and subjugate the population." – Jeffrey Tucker, American libertarian writer and publisher
"What is a political party but a conspiracy?" – Gore Vidal (1925-2012), American writer
"The general population doesn't know what's happening, and it doesn't even know that it doesn't know." – Noam Chomsky, American professor and public intellectual known for his work in linguistics and political activism
"The CIA could not face up to the American people and admit that its former employees had conspired to assassinate the President; so from the moment Kennedy's heart stopped beating, the Agency attempted to sweep the whole conspiracy under the rug.“ – Jim Garrison (1921-1992), District Attorney of Orleans Parish, Louisiana, from 1962 to 1973 and later a state appellate court judge
"I’m not a conspiracy theorist – I’m a conspiracy analyst." – Gore Vidal
God Bless you and all your Catholic readers!
- Frank (Germany)
(PART 2 OF 2)
Dear Introibo,
DeleteThank you for your article.
Just a few thoughts:
In Jeremiah 11:9-10, even God reveals a CONSPIRACY: "And the Lord said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem."
What is a conspiracy? The core of a conspiracy is the agreement between TWO or MORE individuals to commit an unlawful act.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ: "I said to you: servants are not greater than their masters. If THEY persecuted me, THEY will persecute you too" (John 15:20).
So none other than the Son of God Himself warned us, that the CONSPIRACY which was aimed at silencing (and ultimately murdering) Him would also try to silence/persecute/murder His followers.
Unfortunately very few Christians seem to know about THIS CONSPIRACY which has been ongoing for the last 2000 years.
We have lots of literature on the topic of "secret societies“/“conspiracies“, including:
"Proofs of a Conspiracy: Against All The Religions and Governments Of Europe, Carried On In The Secret Meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati, and Reading Societies“ (1797) by John Robison (1739-1805).
"The Anti-Christian Conspiracy“ (1910) by Mgr. Henri Delassus (1836-1921).
"World Revolution: The Plot Against Civilization“ (1921) and "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements“ (1924) by the English author Nesta Webster (1876-1960),
"Occult Theocrasy“ (1933) by Edith Starr Miller (Lady Queenborough) (1887-1933), which contains "a wealth of information about secret societies and occult philosophy“ (according to the book's synopsis).
"The Plot Against the Church“ (1962) by Maurice Pinay (pseudonym), which was "published prior to the beginning of the Second Vatican Council as a warning of what the dark powers had in store for the Church“.
We have the statements of representatives of secret societies themselves, for example Arthur Edward Waite (1857-1942), prominent figure in the study and practice of Rosicrucianism and member of the occult "Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn“: "Beneath the broad tides of human history there flow the stealthy undercurrents of the secret societies, which frequently determine in the depth the changes that take place upon the surface.“
Benjamin Disraeli (1804-1881), British statesman: "The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.“
We even have insights by US-Presidents:
"Some of the biggest men in the United States know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.“ – Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924), 28th President of the USA from 1913 to 1921
US-President John F. Kennedy on the 27th April 1961: "The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. … For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections …“
(PART 1 OF 2)
Frank,
DeleteYou and I are in basic agreement. Some conspiracies are true. However, as you wrote:
"But of course one has to be careful/intelligent enough not to fall for fake conspiracy theories (nonsense like: "Christianity is a hoax", "flat earth", "aliens rule the earth" etc.)."
That is exactly my point.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Very good Frank! Right on so many levels. Many do not know the USA is really incorporated either. We are not what people think. So much is a scam. I gave up trying to educate people about realities. No one cares beyond their next meal or amusement. I have mentioned many times I know over 400 dead from vaxx and my brother dying from it now. It is horrendous. Some had 1 vaxx...many had 3 9r 4. It depends on your body and other environmental factors. It will kill many more and create lifetime patients. So sick are these realities. Today I met with one my deceased mother's friends whose husband died suddenly last year on vacation and this year her sister. I tried last year telling her about Novus Ordo scam but she seemed baffled and just thinks I left the church and don't worship God. This is the case with all I know! Sad times!
ReplyDeleteExcellent Frank! Yes on many levels people know nothing including on this forum. I am tired trying to show people the way...most don't want to know about NO or the rest of the sickness that persists. Much is a lie. God speed people.
ReplyDeletePs..."conspiracy" mentioned 11 times in Bible
ReplyDeletehttps://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=Conspiracy&x=0&y=0&b=drb
Does the conspiracy involve everyone, and only a chosen few have knowledge?
ReplyDeleteDo you realize how many people would have to be in on a plot to:
fake the six moon landings?hide the cabal of English operatives plotting WWIII?fake all of history?keep a fictitious story of a spherical Earth for centuries?fake nuclear weaponry for 80 years?
Yet the "gnostic few" know better; they have the secret.
Your quote above.
Hmmm...sounds just like.sede land. Only the people on this blog and NOW know truth re True Church!! That a billion are fooled by. This is one reason sedes make no sense...whatever, we all get nowhere fast.
@anon7:04
DeleteYou display crass ignorance. Had you read my post (and understood it) rejection of Vatican II is not based on a conspiracy, but founded on solid Catholic theology.
Here's another quote of mine above:
"Unlike false conspiracies, there were many Modernists and Masons among the clergy, substantiated by multiple lines of evidence. There are those who try and demonstrate that pre-Vatican II teachings can be reconciled with post-Vatican II teachings. They have been consistently refuted. The conspiracy did not involve all Catholic clergy, and the contradictions to pre-conciliar dogma, championed by the Modernists, is there for all to see. The main source confirming a conspiracy are the authoritative teachings of the true popes. It passes all the criteria above.
However, I will not go into any of this in detail, and the reason is simple. No conspiracy is necessary to show Vatican II as a Robber Council and the Vatican II sect it spawned as a false religion."
Clerics in your own sect have questioned the legitimacy of Bergoglio; Carlo Maria Viganò has publicly claimed that Pope Francis was not the legitimate pope because of heresy.
Can you name any prominent scientists claiming the moon landing was fake?
So the Vatican II sect is false quite apart from any conspiracy, AS I EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE POST. It's no wonder people such as yourself are fooled. Objection overruled!
---Introibo
I am not fooled by novus ordo. I left 5 years ago. I have no uncompromising priest anywhere near me. The closest sede priest is 3 hours away and was vaxxed so not an option for me. My point was that the billion plus novus ordites are fooled despite facts and believe sedvacantism is conspiracy. Most have zero clue there are even any facts to look at. They are brainwashed with the "your truth" and "my truth" nonsense. Therefore, sedes and the facts make no sense to the fooled. The argument that other massive lies being hidden for so long, like the past 60 years for those who failed to look into the true Catholic faith, isn’t a good argument. There are many longstanding worldwide hoaxes. Many sede camps seem to ignore the One world order/one world religion that is manifesting at high speed thanks to the cooperation of govts worldwide and of course with the Vatican leading the way, since V2 or before.
DeleteIf you want to trust govt narratives go right ahead. You didn't lose your business like I did and a multitude of others, thanks to the govt/world covid scam. Glad you are good. You don't think the govt played role in V2? Yes, globalists are a team and deceive /brainwash / poison/ destroy the masses. And they will kill anyone who no longer serves them or is deemed high risk.
Prominent scientist? Someone brainwashed by a Rockefeller school? Much can be found online just like the True Church can be found online. God is so great.
Here are some interesting places to start if one chooses to explore...many astronauts and experts in videos. People were killed of course, both videos discuss murders of astronauts who wouldn't cooperate...I like how reporter in 2nd video mentioned how people equate the so called moon landing with emotions and treat it like a religion. Funny how the novus ordo does same and also same time frame. No coincidences.
https://youtu.be/NRmDS0X86OQ?si=rNYRyT6Ifuuh1RYI
https://youtu.be/4kiBvdYO4yw?si=5uLR4Y9yNdTytWGv
https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/deathbed-confessions-reconfirm-that?utm_source=post-email-title&isFreemail=true&triedRedirect=true
When the aliens show up...please know it is a govt/vatican/globalist psyop as John 23 already knelt to one aka the new world order.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/History/G_022_PopeET.htm
"His Holiness and I knelt down. We did not know what we were seeing, but we knew that it was not of this world, so it should be a celestial event," reported the religious, who witnessed with the Pope the incredible episode.
@anon4:45
DeleteYou write: "If you want to trust govt narratives go right ahead."
I clearly did not state that. Each alleged conspiracy needs to be evaluated and I specifically condemn COVID.
I allowed the citations to these videos, which are laughable. The one by TIA on Roncalli and ETs is purely anecdotal and involves "An Argentine visionary who discerns energies invisible to the average man … asserted that Pope John XXIII had direct contacts with extra-terrestrial beings such as the one that was witnessed and documented by a priest who officiated as private secretary of the Pontiff."
Where is the documentation from that priest? "Discerns invisible energies"...a kook or occultist and never named. This is the kind of "proof" you get with false conspiracies.
---Introibo
Your writings clearly show you trust nasa and many govt narratives, just not covid you claim. Great. Good to know.
Delete@anon6:22
DeleteMy writings show I discern carefully what to believe based on the evidence. There are multiple lines of evidence that support the moon landing independent of NASA. Not everything the government says is false anymore than everything someone writes in "non-mainstream media" is automatically true.
That is good to know.
---Introibo
I think Roncalli's long-standing secretary published his memoirs some years back and recounted the night that he and 'Good 'pope' John' were visited by aliens, claiming Roncalli and the leader alien took a stroll through Vatican gardens.
DeleteRoncalli is said to have been an occultist, as are the vast majority of people who encounter demons dressed as aliens.
TradWarrior
ReplyDeleteThank you for your reply.What 10 questions would you suggest I ask that Novus Ordo "priest" to tell him he is a member of a non Catholic sect.I am sure he will not answer me.
God bless,PW
PW,
DeleteI would probably need more time with this but I will go off the top of my head here to answer your questions. And you are probably right that the Novus Ordo “priest” will not listen, but since you asked my opinion, I will answer to the best of my ability and I sincerely hope that this helps your friend.
1-Religious Liberty. How will your priest friend account for the differences in the pre and post Vatican II teachings? Religious liberty was condemned by Popes Gregory XVI in ‘Mirari Vos’, Pius IX in ‘Quanta Cura’/The Syllabus of Errors, Leo XIII in ‘Libertas’ and ‘Immortale Dei’, St. Pius X in ‘Vehementer Nos’, etc. Religious liberty was championed at Vatican II and in post conciliar writings. John XXIII’s ‘Pacem in Terris’ is just one example.
2-Ecumenism. It was condemned by Popes Pius IX in ‘Iam Vos Omnes’, Leo XIII in ‘Satis Cognitum’, Pius XI in ‘Mortalium Animos’, etc. It has been championed at Vatican II and in post conciliar writings.
3-Collegiality was condemned by many pre conciliar popes writings yet it was championed at Vatican II and by the post conciliar “popes.”
4-The primary and secondary ends of marriage have been reversed. The 1917 Code of Canon Law, Pope Leo XIII’s ‘Arcanum Divinae’, Pope Pius XI’s ‘Casti Connubii’, etc. all taught the correct order here regarding this issue. Vatican II’s ‘Guadium et Spes’ para. #48, Paul VI’s ‘Humanae Vitae’ para. #12, and John Paul II’s 1983 Code of Canon Law, Canon 1055, Section 1 have all made the secondary ends of marriage superior to the primary ends of marriage and have reversed them.
5-Paul VI created 7 new rites for all the sacraments. 5 of the new sacraments are automatically invalid and baptism and marriage are not always valid either. There are defects in the form, matter, intention, administer, and an obex with these new sacraments. Any 1 of these 5 invalidates the sacrament. Many sacraments in the new rite have more than one of these problems. How does your priest friend get around this?
6-The Church of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same as taught by Pope Pius XII and the ecclesiology of the church going back to Christ. Vatican II changed this to “subsists in”. How does your priest friend get around this?
7-The original schemas were thrown out after a few years preparation and the 16 new documents at Vatican II replaced them. These documents contain heresies and ambiguities all throughout them. They were cheered by freemasons, communists, and modernists. How does your priest friend get around this?
8-Prior to Vatican II, Rahner, de Lubac, de Chardin, von Balthasar, Congar, Kung, Schillebeeckx, Chenu, Bouyer, Daniélou, Mouroux, and Ratzinger were all censured by Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, and MORE importantly Pope Pius XII, yet John XXIII made many of these modernists ‘periti’ (experts) at Vatican II. Your priest friend cannot see that we are dealing with 2 different religions here pre and post Vatican II? It is RADICALLY different!
9-Freemasonry was condemned by Popes Clement XII, Benedict XIV, Clement XIII, Pius VI, Pius VII, Leo XII, Pius VIII, Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, and St. Pius X. The post conciliar “popes” met with, took pictures with, laughed with, etc. MANY freemasons in the last several decades. Does your priest friend realize this? If so, does he still have no problem with this?
10-The visuals. The post conciliar churches are ugly as sin. They are 4 walls slapped together with a roof on them. The pre conciliar churches were gorgeous. Anyone can see that there is something wrong here. The architecture, art, music, etc. has all changed from something beautiful to something absolutely hideous. Yet this is still the same Catholic Church to your priest friend?
I hope that these answers helped you PW.
God Bless you,
-TradWarrior
Regarding the earth being flat or otherwise, I live in a bay area and when there are clouds in the horizon, they appear as if they are rising out from the sea out yonder. This display and its absence of any vanishing point, clearly shows the world to be round.
ReplyDeleteI don't think ancient man regarded the world as flat. The Latin word for the earth is orb, also meaning round.
On another point, INTROIBO: I just listened to your wonderful story about Fr. Depauw in the 'hospital mix-up' whereby he was able to administer Last Rights to the jogging man. I note, the words of the prayer card specified " a priest of Thy one true Church" and ask that you please post up images, front & back, of said card.
Such would be most keenly appreciated.
@anon10:48
DeleteMy friend, I do not have the card--Fr. DePauw kept it. He just gave me access and I copied it down. I stated it verbatim on the podcast.
God Bless,
---Introibo
For any one interested, here is the prayer and it appears to have worked (see YT video, '3 Stories, Fr. Gomar De Pauw'):
DeleteO LORD Jesus Christ, I beg of Thee, through the intercession of Thy most Immaculate Mother, to grant me the great grace of final perseverance.
May a priest of Thy one true Church give me the Last Rites before I die. Amen.
@anon4:27
DeleteThank you for copying it down! I want everyone to remember that those EXACT words need not be said. You must pray everyday for the grace of Final Perseverance, invoking Our Lord and Our Lady. Asking for the grace of the Last Rites is also excellent!!
God Bless,
---Introibo
I agree it would be nice to see that card.Introibo from all your fine writings and comments like above I can tell you are a excellent lawyer.You know how to win a case.Keep up the fine work of this blog.You are a lifeline for so many in the desert.Few see and most don't want to know.Sad and hard times.God bless you
ReplyDeleteJames
James,
DeleteThank you, my friend! See my comment above re: prayer card. Comments like yours keep me writing!
God Bless,
---Introibo
More govt narrative to interest you:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.nasa.gov/history/55-years-ago-the-apollo-1-fire-and-its-aftermath/
So laughable as you stated above.
@anon7:44
DeleteIt's laughable they died? What kind of conspiratorial nonsense "really" happened? They were murdered by MIBs? They faked their deaths and hooked up with Elvis at the local supermarket in 1977? Please.
---Introibo
Some of the events that you listed as conspiracies are actually important media strategies to undermine belief in God & religion and promote a cult of scientific man.
ReplyDeleteThey rely on long-term propaganda campaigns that have the greatest influence over the mind of the child which is highly impressionable but not yet capable of reason. You think that they are based upon solid evidence, but they fall apart when tested against known reality.
They aren't as important as what happened to the Church, but it doesn't hurt to understand how long-term media programming works in order to avoid being programmed in the present: because their strategies have only gotten more effective over time.
@anon7:55
DeleteWhich events listed as conspiracies in this post are "important media strategies to undermine belief in God & religion and promote a cult of scientific man"? What is your proof?
You claim: "You think that they are based upon solid evidence, but they fall apart when tested against known reality."
Ok, demonstrate how it "falls apart" and what constitutes "known reality" which demolishes it.
---Introibo
Introibo
ReplyDeleteTradWarrior made a comment above to PW about how the original schemas were thrown out and replaced.Do you have any idea what they were?
Thanks
Delete@anon5:54
I did a post on it. Please see
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2023/07/what-vatican-ii-could-have-been.html?m=1
God Bless,
—-Introibo