Monday, October 6, 2025

Contending For The Faith---Part 44

 

In St. Jude 1:3, we read, "Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." [Emphasis mine]. Contending For The Faith is a series of posts dedicated to apologetics (i.e.,  the intellectual defense of the truth of the Traditional Catholic Faith) to be published the first Monday of each month.  This is the next installment.

Sadly, in this time of Great Apostasy, the faith is under attack like never before, and many Traditionalists don't know their faith well enough to defend it. Remember the words of our first pope, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1Peter 3:16). There are five (5) categories of attacks that will be dealt with in these posts. Attacks against:
  • The existence and attributes of God
  • The truth of the One True Church established by Christ for the salvation of all 
  • The truth of a particular dogma or doctrine of the Church
  • The truth of Catholic moral teaching
  • The truth of the sedevacantist position as the only Catholic solution to what has happened since Vatican II 
In addition, controversial topics touching on the Faith will sometimes be featured, so that the problem and possible solutions may be better understood. If anyone had suggestions for topics that would fall into any of these categories, you may post them in the comments. I cannot guarantee a post on each one, but each will be carefully considered.

Leo Suenens: A Villain of Vatican II
In defending the Faith, it's important to know who the chief architects of the Robber Council were who put us in the Great Apostasy. This post will feature a horrific man: “Cardinal”Leo Suenens of Belgium. 

Leo Suenens was born in 1904 of a pious Belgian family. Belgium was one of the most Catholic countries in the world, with numerous vocations and large families. Suenens' family wanted him to go into economics and manage their large fortune, but he decided to become a priest. Ordained at age 23 in 1927, Suenens would obtain a Doctorate in Sacred Theology, and was consecrated auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Mechelen in 1945 by order of Pope Pius XII. He became the new Archbishop in 1961 under Roncalli, and the archdiocese was renamed Mechelen-Brussels. Suenens received the "cardinal's hat" from false pope John XXIII in 1962. 

At Vatican II, he would reveal himself to be one of the most influential Modernists, hell-bent on destroying the One True Church. Suenens was a close friend of Masonic pervert Giovanni Montini ("Pope" Paul VI), and was one of the leaders of the Modernists with Cardinals Alfrink and Frings. It was Suenens who named the first heretical document of Vatican II Lumen Gentium, as he had crafted much of the language in the opening paragraphs, which contained the false ecclesiology of the newly spawned Vatican II sect he helped to create. Here is a very unflattering picture painted of Suenens from his autobiography Memories and Hopes, his work on collegiality Co-Responsibility in the ChurchVatican II Revisited--Reflections by One Who was There, by Bp. Aloysius Wycislo, and Twelve Council Fathers, by W. Abbot.

 Suenens:

  • Was inspired by Modernist theologian Edward Schillebeecxk, a Dominican priest who was suspect of Modernism prior to Vatican II. After the Council, Schillebeecxk denied Transubstantiation, and derided the bodily Resurrection of Our Lord as a "crude and naive realism" that has "nothing to do with a corpse."
  • Was motivated by ecumenism in everything he did. He rejected the idea there was only One True Church of Jesus Christ
  • Supported the heretical idea of a "democratic" collegial Church, which destroys both the hierarchical structure of the Church instituted by Christ, and denigrates the pope to an Eastern Schismatic status as "first among equals" 
  • Worked most closely at the Council with periti (theological experts) Fr. Karl Rahner and Fr. Joseph Ratzinger, the future "Pope" Benedict XVI--both arch-heretics
  • Had a meeting with four Anglican "bishops." He knelt before them and asked for their "blessing"
  • Gave the opening address at the second session of Vatican II, blasphemously comparing Roncalli to St. John the Baptist, with the speech entitled There Was a Man Sent by God Named John
  • Asked Montini (Paul VI) to reject the traditional teaching condemning artificial contraception and was furious when his former friend didn't. Montini was told by Cardinal Ottaviani that he would lose all credibility if he did so, and he listened to him instead, issuing Humanae Vitae. Too bad Cardinal Ottaviani did not reject Montini's false "papacy"
  •   Did all he could to undermine Church teaching on contraception which earned him praise from Planned Parenthood
  • Spoke in favor of a "new understanding of marriage" at Vatican II whereby the sexual union of the spouses could be considered legitimate without any reference to procreation
  • Rejected unchanging Catholic moral standards when he said, "Morality is first and foremost alive, a dynamism of life, and therefore subject to interior growth that rejects any kind of fixity." (Emphasis mine)
  • Triumphantly proclaimed, "Vatican II is the French Revolution in the Church..."
Suenens: Destroyer of Vocations
In 1962, on the eve of the Robber Council, Suenens published a book entitled The Nun in the World. It has been credited with causing countless nuns to leave the convent, and radicalize those who remained. 

On pg. 75, Suenens writes:
To revalue the religious life of today means to bring the religious life into harmony with the evolutionary state of the world and womankind, to retain from the past everything of lasting value that can be adapted to circumstances, and to accept the positive contribution of feminism in order to improve the apostolic yield. (Emphasis mine). Had this been written under Pope Pius XII, Suenens would have been censured. Roncalli's favorite Modernist had been very careful to keep his Modernism close to his vest and only speak as a Catholic, until it was safe to show his true colors. 

The results of his book and the "reforms" he pushed through at Vatican II were felt almost immediately. Here's what was reported in The Ladies Home Journal in 1967--a scant five years after Suenens' book and only two years after the Robber Council ended:

It began in the winter of 1962-63, when the spark of the Second Vatican Council caught fire around the world, when, in his memorable encyclical, Pacem in Terris, Pope John XXIII preached a modern revolution of truth, justice, freedom and love. That same winter, a remarkable book appeared, called The Nun in the World. Written by Belgium’s Cardinal Suenens, considered one of the Church’s leading progressives, it called upon nuns everywhere to emerge from their convents and play a more active role in easing the tensions and problems not only of the Roman Catholic Church, but of all mankind.

“A community of nuns often gives the impression of being a fortress whose drawbridge is only furtively and fearfully lowered,” wrote Cardinal Suenens. “Her world shrinks, and, if she is not careful, will end up no more than a few square yards in size…The religious of today appears to the faithful to be out of touch with the world as it is, an anachronism.” Cardinal Suenens’ book swiftly became, according to scholars Edward Wakin and Father Joseph F. Scheuer, “a manifesto for progressive-thinking nuns in America.”

According to reliable estimates, at least 3,600 professed sisters left their convents for good. These were not uncertain novices or postulants, but mature women who had taken their vows and served the Church for years. Most importantly, they did not leave because they did not want to be “religious” any longer—but because they did...Here are some of the things they told me:

• “I just thought I’d be more of a Christian if I left. Instead of saying that I want what Christ wants, I began to feel that the good things I want might be the same as what Christ wants.”

• “I left to be free, to be able to live my own rhythm. Now life is new. It’s like being a newborn baby in a fifty-year-old body. Before, I didn’t know what I meant to be a citizen of the United States.”

• “I had to leave the convent to do what I entered it to do—live for others.”

• “Being a sister is great when you are young. But once you start observing older sisters, you begin to see where it all leads. I started to wonder how long it would take me to become as bitter as some of them.”

(Taken from unamsanctamcatholicam.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/the-nuns-that-quit.pdf)

As to the radicalized nuns who remain:
Amidst the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s, many nuns felt their vows called them to dedicate themselves to social causes. Sister Helen Prejean explains how she came to lead a life devoted to reforming the prison system: “Start looking at the signs of the times, look at where the people are suffering, look at where the people are in need," Prejean says. "And I'm kind of a story, or an embodiment, of what happened to nuns out of Vatican II, because it brought me eventually to poor people in New Orleans and to death row.” Given broadened autonomy in convent life, nuns found themselves posed as radicals, living a communitarian life aside from the confines of a modern capitalist society. Adam Horwitz, a millennial activist whose “Nuns and Nones” program puts young social justice advocates into convents— living with and learning from nuns—explains, "These are radical, badass women who have lived lives devoted to social justice,” said Mr. Bradley, "and we can learn from them. (See studiotheatre.org/plays/play-detail/2019-2020-doubt/religious-radicals; Emphasis mine) 

Suenens asked Jeanne-Paule Marie Deckers, a former nun who wrote a hit song Dominique in 1962, to write songs for the so-called "Catholic Charismatic Movement." Deckers wrote a song in praise of contraception, blasphemously called Glory be to God for the Golden Pill in 1967, which is what caught Suenens' attention. Deckers would become a lesbian and, falling into financial problems, she and her lesbian lover would commit suicide together in 1985. 

Suenens: A Charismatic Apostate
In 1967, during the nascent Vatican II sect turmoil of ecumenical frenzy and near universal apostasy, students at Pittsburgh’s Duquesne University began exposing themselves to Pentecostal influences because of "spiritual aridity." They were envious of the "changed lives" among many Protestant friends and decided to pray for similar "graces." A weekend "retreat" gave them what they wanted. Various people approached Protestant ministers, laity, and prayer groups. All received "Baptism in the Spirit" after having heretical hands laid on them in prayer. The movement began to grow in leaps and bounds. Today, they even call themselves "Charismatics" instead of Catholics, showing their disdain for even the name of the sect posing as the True Church. They despise anything associated--even remotely--with the beliefs and practices of authentic Catholicism. The Vatican II sect allowed them to form groups and spread their heresies as a "Charismatic Movement." Suenens almost immediately became their number one supporter. 

For the 50th anniversary of the Catholic (sic) Charismatic Movement (CCM) in June 2017, Francis asked the Charismatics to organize the celebration at the Circus Maximus in Rome. On this occasion, Bergoglio quoted the late Belgian "Cardinal" Leo Suenens, the strongest episcopal promoter of the movement in its early days, who called it "a current of grace, a renewing breath of the Spirit for all the members of the Church." (See ncregister.com/daily-news/vatican-creates-new-office-to-serve-catholic-charismatic-renewal-movement)

According to Church teaching, the charismata or "special gifts" of the Holy Ghost such as prophecies, healings, miracles, etc., were given to prove the claims of the Church and to foster conversions. With the achievement of the Church’s moral universality, the need for such phenomena ceased because of the presence in the Church of people of every nationality and because of the Church’s proven record as the One True Religion. Likewise, speaking in tongues was given so that all could hear and understand the preaching of the Gospel. None of these gifts were given for the personal sanctification of the individuals who received them. St. Augustine, Tract. xxxii, states, "Whereas even now the Holy Ghost is received, yet no one speaks in the tongues of all nations, because the Church herself already speaks in the languages of all nations: since whoever is not in the Church, receives not the Holy Ghost."

According to theologian Scheeben: The internal perfection [of the Apostles] arose from the fact of their being eye-witnesses and ear-witnesses of the whole Revelation, and of their being so filled with the Holy Ghost that each of them possessed a complete and infallible knowledge of revealed doctrine; while the external perfection was the gift of miracles, by which they were able to confirm the authenticity of their testimony...As soon as the original and fundamental promulgation of the Gospel was complete there was no longer any necessity for the extraordinary Apostolate. (See A Manual of Catholic Theology, [1890], 1:37-38; Emphasis mine). 

Theologian Van Noort teaches: Therefore, as apostles, each of them had (a) a direct divine mission to carry out both of the aforementioned tasks all over the world. Furthermore, (b) they enjoyed the charisms (1) of revelation, (2) of infallibility (in matters pertaining to their mission), and (3) of miracles. The apostolate was, to begin with, by its very nature an extraordinary gift, confided to these men alone. (See Dogmatic Theology, [1961], 1:39; First emphasis in original, second emphasis mine). In end-note #19, Van Noort references the work of heretical theologian Oscar Cullmann (d.1999). Cullmann, a member of the Lutheran sect, was an "observer" at Vatican II and a driving force behind the One World Church ecumenical movement. Cullmann advanced the heretical view that apostolic grace must perish with the Apostles or survive them in its entirety. Van Noort responds that the dilemma is resolved in Catholic theology by distinguishing between a mission of the Apostles which is an extraordinary, noncommunicable charism relating to the founding of the Church, and an ordinary communicable and non-miraculous charism relating to the preservation of the Church. It is only the latter that is carried down through the ages by the Apostolic Succession of Catholic bishops.

The charismata is therefore not in use after the founding of the Church. Yes, there have been certain saints in the Church that had various miraculous gifts, but this is not (as the Charismatics claim) true of all members of the Church. The vast majority are devoid of any miraculous deeds. 

The CCM is heretical to the core, and has its origin in the Pentecostal Protestant sect of the 19th century. The Pentecostal sect revived what they believed to be glossolaly or "speaking in tongues." On the Feast of the Immaculate Conception 2018, false pope Jorge Bergoglio announced the formation of "CHARIS," or "Catholic Charismatic Renewal International Service." This new body within the Dicastery for Laity, Family and Life will replace the two existing services known as the International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Service and the Catholic Fraternity.

Why would Suenens care so much about the CCM? One word: Ecumenism.

Leading the People into a One World Religion

There are four major problems with the Charismatic Movement:

1. It implicitly denies there is only One True Church. 
If these "gifts" of the Holy Ghost (allegedly speaking in tongues, "healings," etc.) are true in the "Catholic" Church and they also happen in various Protestant denominations, then it stands to reason that there are "elements of truth and sanctification" outside the True Church by which people can achieve holiness and salvation. (Sound familiar?).

2. It replaces the hierarchy with an alleged direct contact with God, and denies the Indefectibility of the Church.
Priests are seen as "one of the guys." Being able to roll on the ground "speaking in tongues" is more important than the ability to offer the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Charismatics will also say things like, "God has put it on my heart that I should..." Or, "God told me..." If you have direct contact with God, why do we need the Church and Her hierarchy as intermediaries between God and people? If the Church teaches one thing, but God has supposedly told you something different, guess which one will be obeyed. The charismatics also deny Indefectibility by claiming that an integral part of the Church (charismata) was absent for centuries, so the Church was somehow deficient. This is impossible if the Church is Indefectible.

3. It denies traditional Catholic spirituality and leads to deception (and even possession) by evil spirits.
Say goodbye to the Rosary, novenas, and The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius. St. John of the Cross, one of the greatest masters of the spiritual life had this to say:
  • "And I greatly fear what is happening in these times of ours: If any soul whatever after a bit of meditation has in its recollection one of these locutions, it will immediately baptize all as coming from God and with such a supposition say, 'God told me,' 'God answered me.'  Yet this is not so, but, as we pointed out, these persons themselves are more often the origin of their locution."  (See St. John of the Cross: The Ascent of Mount Carmel. Book II Ch. 29) 
  • "Through the desire of accepting them one opens the door to the devil.  The devil can then deceive one by other communications expertly feigned and disguised as genuine.  In the words of the Apostle, he can transform himself into an 'angel of light' (II Cor. XI:14). (...)  Regardless of the cause of these apprehensions, it is always good for a man to reject them with closed eyes.  If he fails to do so, he will make room for those having a diabolical origin and empower the devil to impose his communications.  Not only this, but the diabolical representations will multiply while those from God will gradually cease, so that eventually all will come from the devil and none at all from God.  This has occurred with many incautious and uninstructed people."  (See St. John of the Cross: The Ascent of Mount Carmel. Book II Ch. 11)
4. It has the same goal as Modernism and Masonry: A One World Church Without Catholicism
Charismaticism is pan-denominational, with an alien and non-Catholic theological idea of "baptism in the Holy Spirit" as if you come into direct contact with God. It vitiates the need for the Mass and Sacraments. It is also rooted in the Modernist ideal of experience over reason. Charismatics cannot give a reasoned theological explanation of how jumping, dancing, rolling on the floor, laughing uncontrollably, and (allegedly) speaking in tongues brings one closer to God or even why God would manifest Himself in behaviors usually associated with mental patients. Finally, your beliefs don't matter. As long as you profess belief in some vague form of "Christianity" (The Great Architect of the Universe, perhaps), you are all part of "the Church" and can have an "experience of God." 

Conclusion
My spiritual father, the late, great canonist Fr. Gommar A. DePauw, showed me a picture taken at Vatican II with himself standing between Bishop Blaise Kurz and "Cardinal" Suenens. Father was one of the theological experts (a peritus) at Vatican II who helped Bp. Kurz and the other traditional prelates who fought the Modernists. Fr. DePauw was heartbroken that a fellow Belgian would work to destroy the very Church he loved so much and served so well. He and Bp. Kurz spoke in private with Cardinal Suenens in a long meeting during which they implored him to repent of his Modernism and return to the Catholic Faith. Suenens turned a deaf ear and showed them the door, asking that they never come back to talk to him. 

Today, as a result of Vatican II and the Charismatic movement, the percentage of Belgians who claim to be Catholic (V2 sect) is less than 60%. Only 5% attend the Novus Bogus "mass" on Sundays, and nearly one-third of Belgians declare themselves atheists or agnostics. The ravages of the Charismatic movement are not limited to Belgium. What Suenens started is nothing less than the rejection of anything even remotely Catholic, and he wanted the True Church to be replaced by a One World Church of "direct experiences of God." This is pure Modernism.

Suenens was one of the principle architects of Vatican II and the damnable documents Lumen Gentium and Gaudium et Spes. His promotion of worldly life and his blasphemous writings have helped decimate the religious vocation, and his teachings led nuns of the 1960s to abandon their vocations and become radicals. His CCM helps destroy traditional Catholic teaching and promote ecumenism. Suenens, a Villain of Vatican II, went to judgement in 1996. I shudder to think of his fate if he did not sincerely repent. Suenens promoted speaking in tongues. Like the "cardinal's" master, Satan, the tongue with which he spoke was decidedly forked.  

36 comments:

  1. Dear Introibo,
    An earthquake just struck my province of Cebu last Sept. 30.
    Firstly, what is the Catholic teaching on paranormal and ghosts? I usually get the Ephesians 6 12 vibe when I read on paranormal.
    Secondly, what was the relationship between the Latin and Byzantine churches?
    Thirdly, what about a group called Jocists founded by a Belgian cardinal?
    Sincerely, Ryan

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    1. Ryan,
      Praying for all earthquake survivors and for the souls of any who died. I hope your famil, friends, and you are all OK!

      1. A great book, which I also recommend to a commenter below is "Ghosts and Poltergeists" by theologian Thurston--along with "Occult Phenomena in the Light of Theology" by theologian Wiesenger.

      2. It depends. Sometimes quite volatile and sometimes peaceful.

      3. They were the most influential wing of the Catholic Action movement, which came about circa early 1920s. Basically, a good group at that time.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  2. In Pope Leo XIII's vision, Satan demanded time and power to destroy the Church, and he used men like Suenens to do so. And we see the result today.

    It should also be mentioned that “The Singing Nun” and her lesbian partner were given “Catholic” funerals despite their suicide. The celebrating priest even said: “He who judges a human being without appeal judges himself and immediately condemns himself. God alone judges, for he alone knows the secrets of the heart.” This is typical of Bergoglio: “Who am I to judge ?”

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    1. Simon,
      Yes, they received a "mass" and funeral. In the external forum, they lived evil lives and should not have been lauded.

      God Bless, my friend

      ---Introibo

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  3. I am wondering when it is that he was turned to modernism. Came from a wealthy family but decided to become a priest, then ended up being one of the most effective apostates of all time ? Was he recruited, perhaps, by one of Stalin's anti-apostles or was his family already involved in masonry, and thus was compromised from the start ?

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    1. Interesting commment. I think you right, many wealthy infiltrates. They can do as they please when not in their ape role. Wasn't Fr DePauw family wealthy too? Didn't he purchase the chapel? So if a wealthy real priest can't buy a chapel near you, we are exposed to the evil NO world AD NAUSEUM.
      Thanks Introibo! I was duped and suffered oppression by a NO charismatic false priest. I almost lost my life after a "healing mass"...oh and if Steven Speray reads this...he claimed to get his '"healing powers" from Our Lady Guadeloupe! Another falsity! There are many of these charismatic in DC diocese so BEWARE!

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    2. cairsahr__stjoseph
      Check out the comment by Grace below!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. @anon2:05
      So glad you (by the Grace of God) came out of all that!
      (Yes, Fr. DePauw came from a very wealthy Belgian family; but he was the antithesis of Suenens!).

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  4. From this website:
    https://anticattocomunismo.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/demolation-men/
    In 1969 he became the standard bearer of an appeal by Hans Kung against ecclesiastical celibacy, precisely in the years in which “sexual liberation”, also understood to include pedophilia, took center stage, outside and inside the Catholic world.

    Today the fruits of Suenens' work are evident: the Belgian seminaries have emptied, starting precisely from the years of his teaching; the University of Louvain, of which Suenens was also rector, refuses to define itself as ’Catholic“ again; Belgium is a secularized and anti-Christian country like few others in the world, with a very high rate of family disintegration; the large part of pedophilia crimes in the Belgian church, as demonstrated recently, they can be ascribed, not without reason, “especially to the sixties”, that is, to the time of his reforms (Republika, 10/09/2010).

    Wikipedia:
    In June 2010, Belgian police raided the tomb of Cardinal Leo Jozef Suenens, along with that of Cardinal Jozef-Ernest Van Roey, during a search for documents related to allegations of child sex abuse by priests and potential cover-ups within the Catholic Church in Belgium.

    From this website:
    https://ephesians511blog.com/2016/10/09/cardinal-leon-jozef-suenens-charismatic-freemason-and-liberal/
    In September, 1978, during the brief pontificate of Pope Luciani (Pope John Paul I), the “List of Pecorelli” appeared on “OP”
    (Political Observer), the magazine of lawyer Mino Pecorelli.
    It was not a great surprise for Father Luigi Villa (Chiesa Viva) to read many names of senior officials as they had already been removed from their positions, some time before, since he had provided the documents to the Holy Office of their membership in Freemasonry.

    One of the most famous cases was that one of Cardinal Joseph Suenens, driven from his headquarters in Brussels because he was found to be a Mason. He was also married and living with a son named Paul!

    107. Suenens, Leo. Cardinal
    Title: Protector of the Church of St. Peter in Chains, outside Rome.
    Paul VI, at Vatican II, chose as moderators to replace the presidents appointed by John XXIII, Cardinal Agagianian, a cardinal of colorless personality from the Curia, and Cardinals Lercaro, SUENENS, and Dopfner, all three liberals and the pope’s friends.
    Promotes Protestant Pentecostalism (Charismatics)
    Destroyed much Church dogma when he worked in 3 Sacred Congregations: 1) Propagation of the Faith; 2) Rites and Ceremonies in the Liturgy; 3) Seminaries
    Was responsible for initiating the practice of communion in the hand. The practice of communion-in-the-hand was “first introduced in Belgium by Cardinal Suenens, in flagrant disobedience to the rubrics given by the Holy See. Not wishing to publicly reprove a brother bishop, Paul VI decided to lift the ban prohibiting Holy Communion in the hand, leaving the decision to individual bishops” (Dietrich Von Hildebrand, The Latin Mass Society, Nov 1995).

    Date initiated into Masonry:
    6-15-67
    Code number:
    21-64
    Code name:
    LESU

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    1. Grace
      Much to look over here! Thank you for the links!!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thank you Introibo for the important work you do each week, in researching and preparing your articles, on topics that expose and alert us to the Spiritual dangers we face everyday. God Bless you!

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    3. Grace
      Thank you so much! Comments like yours keep me writing!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. So he was made a mason only in 1967 ? I would have thought it long before.

      My guess he was a communist long before, and the 1967 initiation was just a formality.

      His family wanting him to run the family fortune but he deciding to be a priest instead sounds like "the official story". Perhaps being on the side of the revolution runs in the family. With his wealth, he didn't need ties to masonry.

      I doubt he ever had a real vocation, rather than being corrupted along the way. Speculation, but not improbable.

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  5. Many years ago, I went out for a night with some friends. There were some people who I knew who were doing a social event and there were others I knew who were doing a church event. Many people were very much into the “Catholic” Charismatic Movement. Even then, I was very much against it and I went against people I knew who supported this strange phenomenon. But I said to myself, “Okay, I want to see this firsthand myself.” I chose to go to the church event (perhaps I should have chosen the social event). I did not go to join them because I was onboard with this but rather because I wanted to see this and observe it very carefully.

    The behavior of people at these charismatic events is extremely bizarre. Basically, everyone does whatever they feel “The Spirit is leading them to do.” They had instruments that did not belong in a church. Drums were constantly being beat on. One person got up and laid prostrate right in front of the tabernacle. Another person got up and lied against the Novus Ordo pillar of the “so called altar”. People were babbling with their “gifts of tongues”. The whole event was goofy and incredibly stupid, but underneath it all it was of course deceptive and demonic. Even years ago, I was familiar with Suenens being the primary person who spawned this nonsense within the institutional church. But I wanted to go and observe this for myself.

    There are unfortunately many people I know who are involved in the charismatic movement. I have argued against them and tried to show them the error of their ways many times, but once they get sucked into it, they do not come out of it. At least, that has been my experience. There was one individual I was debating this issue with. I told him that these extraordinary gifts were only given to the early church and once the church grew, they ceased in the post-apostolic age because there was no more need for them. There were exceptions here and there such as St. Francis Xavier, etc., but for the most part, they were done (just like Introibo illustrated with St. Augustine, Scheeben, and Van Noort). I told this guy that you do not see any of this behavior among the early church fathers, nor the medieval theologians, nor mystics like St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross, nor later saints like St. John Bosco. I told him that prior to Dequesne University in 1967 in Pittsburgh, you never saw this anywhere. He just looked dumbfounded and said, “But it is biblical” and went right back to the ‘Acts of the Apostles.’ I explained to him about Charles Parham and the movement’s roots within Pentecostalism and how it’s funny this came about in the 1960’s right after Vatican II. The guy just didn’t get it because after all “but it’s biblical” was all he had.

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  6. CONTINUED…I said to him, “So why didn’t we have St. Augustine rolling around on the floor or St. Thomas Aquinas jumping up and down constantly or St. Teresa of Avila doing baby babble (that’s how I referred to it as), or St. John Bosco laughing uncontrollably.” He just had a blank stare on his face. I said “Whatever anyone says or does, they will justify it by stating that ‘The Spirit’ led them to say or do this or that thing. What if I said that ‘The Spirit’ told me to punch you in the face because you were being led by a false spirit and I had to beat it out of you?” My point was that none of these actions could be justified. I showed him that one person could say “The Spirit” led him to do this while another person claimed “The Spirit” led him to do this other thing. I said, “Without a person guided by the Magisterium (and reason!), who is to say that this person is correct and that person is not? This is just like ‘Sola Scriptura’ where every Protestant interprets the Bible for himself.” He said, “Well, there are well trained interpreters who can determine what is truly coming from ‘The Spirit’ and what is not.” I wanted to laugh in his face and I think he knew it! But to this day, he and many others believe this stuff and there is no telling them any differently. I know MANY people that have been taken in by this and one person I know personally has been SEVERLY messed up by this stuff (and he was further messed up by going to MANY 12 steps programs too!). This is putting an experience over theological Truths of the Faith and reason. Not good and so sad!

    -TradWarrior

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    1. TradWarrior
      Thank you for that powerful testimony, my friend! What you say is true; the "spirit" leading the CCM is anything BUT "holy." People get involved at the risk of their soul.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  7. There was a lot of back and forth discussions on last week’s post with Feeneyites. I’m not sure if everyone saw it but please read my post on there from last week that dealt with a Feeneyite going for a job interview. Many people found it hilarious (and it is!). That may have been my best post ever on Introibo’s blog! It is certainly WAY up there! It is humorous (and we all need a little humor in these dark times we are living through), but it is also factual with so many people out there who have been drawn into the Feeneyites strange world in which they live.

    Introibo, I agree with you that what I wrote last week could definitely be a comedy skit!

    Joanna, I did read your comment to what I wrote too and I enjoyed it! You are completely correct with your assessment of the movie “Rocky.” I will take this further.

    Reasons why Feeneyites would not like the “Rocky” movies:

    Rocky:

    He was scantily clad. He abused his body by being punched in the head. He spoke with a speech impediment (therefore his parents must have sinned as the Pharisees mentioned in Jesus’s day). He drove a car recklessly. He worked for a loan shark. He abused his hands and body by punching meat. He punched people in the head for a living.

    Conclusion by the Feeneyites: Rocky is in hell.

    Adrian:

    She continued to work at a pet store while she was pregnant and slipped into a coma. She should not have been doing that kind of work (even though they needed the money) but rather have stayed home. She also yelled at Rocky on the beach and was not submissive to him.

    Conclusion by the Feeneyites: Adrian is in hell.

    Paulie:

    He is a drunk and doesn’t take care of himself. He is verbally and physically abusive at times to Rocky and Adrian. He is responsible for them losing their house and their money.

    Conclusion by the Feeneyites: Paulie is in hell.

    Apollo Creed:

    He is named after a false god and he follows a false creed. We do not even need to go any further. His name says it all!

    Conclusion by the Feeneyites: Apollo Creed is in hell.

    Clubber Lang:

    He made improper remarks to Adrian and was responsible for Mickey being shoved down and dying. He shoved down a reporter on the way to the ring and he cared only about himself.

    Conclusion by the Feeneyites: Clubber Lang is in hell.

    Mickey Goldmill:

    He was Jewish and died Jewish in the external forum.

    Conclusion by the Feeneyites: Mickey Goldmill is in hell.

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  8. CONTINUED…Ivan Drago:

    He injects himself with steroids and he went way overboard in a simple exhibition match by killing Apollo Creed.

    Conclusion by the Feeneyites: Ivan Drago is in hell.

    The Soviet crowd in Moscow:

    Despite the fact that they changed over the course of the fight (as Rocky said, “If you can change, and I can change, EVERYBODY CAN CHANGE!”) and they cheered Rocky at the end of the movie, they remained Soviets in the external forum.

    Conclusion by the Feeneyites: The Soviet crowd is in hell.

    I write this humorously but it is a good example of repeated behavior that I have seen from people over the years. There have been several scenarios (many times!) where I have been in conversations with people and the entire crux of the issue was missed because ‘In Medio Stat Veritas’ was something that people had long ago forgotten. I have been part of heated discussions and debates where two opposing sides were “going at it” and both sides were going to extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum and it was only getting worse and worse! In some cases, I was not even part of one side or the other side, but rather I was trying to show that both parties went WAY off base and ‘In Medio Stat Veritas’ was desperately needed to bring people back to sanity.

    I like how Introibo has written several times on his blog (over a plethora of issues) that ‘In Medio Stat Veritas’ is very important to remember. And he is completely correct – it is important!

    There are some people that will reject all forms of entertainment and there are other people who will watch every modern (and garbage) form of entertainment and they both are vehemently arguing with each other and they both miss the bigger point. There are some things that are clearly sinful but in other scenarios, there are things that are not sinful at all, yet one side will oppose the other of committing sins A, B, C, and D and damn them to hell immediately. Prudence is important and following the teachings of the Catholic Church is vitally important, but where there can be areas of disagreement, let there by “healthy” discussions and disagreement.

    (I will respond for the Feeneyites so that they do not have to – I am a John 3:5 mocker, I should be called the ecumenical warrior, and I am the false “trad” warrior worlding. There, I hope they feel better now.)

    -TradWarrior

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    1. TradWarrior,
      Well done! But the Dimondites will not feel better; happiness comes from Satan in this world. As to Rocky, everyone went to Hell because Mickey was a secret Jew (never found out until Rocky III) working (as every Jew does) for the destruction of all things good, noble, and true. He even comes back from Hell torment Rocky in Rocky V, and urges him to fight when he was injured!

      God Bless you, fellow John 3:5 mocking, ecumenical apostate!

      ---Introibo

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  9. Introibo,what Catholic books do you suggest one read on the subject of ghosts and the paranormal?God bless

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    2. Cyrus,
      I cannot edit your post--please remove and repost!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. @anon4:40
      "Ghosts and Poltergeists" by theologian Thurston--along with "Occult Phenomena in the Light of Theology" by theologian Wiesenger.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. As someone who was involved in the occult quite heavily, I would steer away from anything related to the paranormal, ghost, magic(k), and anything related to it. Speaking from personal experience, it only leads one further and further into the darkness. I would suggest reading good, Catholic spiritual books like "The Spiritual Combat and a Treatise on Peace of Soul" by Scupoli, or "An Introduction to the Devout Life" by Saint Francis de Sales. Reading these books will lead you to holiness and peace, something that I'm working on myself. O, Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, have mercy on me a sinner.

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    5. Cyrus,
      I agree with you not to read about the occult UNLESS it is to learn how to expose and combat it! So glad, by the grace of God, you escaped the occult!

      "The Spiritual Combat and a Treatise on Peace of Soul" by Scupoli is my favorite spiritual book of all time!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  10. Have you read about the murder of a little boy named Logan Tipton? It wasn’t an Irish dairy farmer from Wisconsin who did it. It was a black savage home invader who stabbed him to death and just got off because they say the feral beast was “insane”. The “Justice” system you are apart of is a disgrace. Your antiwhite sentiments are part of the problem as well.

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    1. I don't want to be that person... But how do we know you are not a FED?

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      Ok, what's YOUR major malfunction? Dimondite? Hitler Fanboy? Both?

      I have no problem with people who write off the topic of the post as long as they stay on something relevant to being a Traditionalist, e.g., commentary on Prevost's comparison of abortion to capital punishment, etc.

      Nor do I mind questions about the Faith; I answer as best I can after putting in the research.

      Your comment (a) attacks me personally, (b) is totally unrelated to Traditionalism, and (c) is not asking a sincere question about the faith.

      I have "antiwhite sentiments"? I am of white European descent. Where in this post did I denigrate anyone because of race (white, black, or other)??

      I don't know about the "feral beast" being insane, but if you live in NYC, here's information about the Manhattan Psychiatric Center: omh.ny.gov/omhweb/facilities/mapc/

      Please go there, take your meds, and find a new blog to visit.

      ---Introibo

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    3. Introibo

      Why these sick folk come on your website is beyond me.I have never read such garbage.Please block any more of this.The other coments are always good.

      On a different subject as you live in the Big Apple,have you ever been to Smith and Wollensky steakhouse?They clim to have the best steaks in NY.

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    4. Introibo,it should say they claim to have the best steaks in NY.Thanks

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  11. People can say all criminals are insane. What people in their right minds commit heinous murder? But we don’t say that because these horrible criminals must be held fully accountable for their actions. Modern psychology will give you junk science to explain so called chemical imbalances. None of it is true or believable. Death penalty, hard labor, maximum security mental hospitals NOW!!!!

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      Assuming you're responding to the comment above, I agree that the vast majority of criminals are sane and I favor the death penalty.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  12. Hello Introibo from far away England.Great piece of writing as always.Perhaps in the future if you have time,more expose of these evil men like above.Thank you

    I have a question fot TradWarrior.I found your thoughts regarding the dating and marriage situation very interesting.I was at peace to know you and others have had a bad time too.I am 29 and still single.Someone made the comment about being rejected by a woman and having her flaunt her new boyfriend in front of them by sitting in front them at church with the father present.That relationship never proceeded to marriage and then she comes back to pursue them.What would you do?Would you like to be treated 2nd best.Introibo comment was to tell her to get lost.I would value your thoughts.

    I attend the SSPX here in England as there are no other options available at the present time.

    Our Lady Queen of the Most Holy Rosary,pray for us

    God bless

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    1. @anon7:13pm

      Thank you for writing to me. Do not feel bad about being 29 and still single. There are more single people today than ever before and they are all different ages. You are perfectly fine.

      What would I have done had that situation happened to me? I would not have gone back with that girl. I echo Introibo and would have told her to get lost. I’m not sure I would use that exact wording, but no, I would not go back with her.

      It is very hard to find someone like yourself today. You don’t want to settle for less and you may find someone right, but just not right for you. Introibo has written on this topic several times before. I go back to my previous post where I mention the sampling of people that came into my life (and there have been more than just the ones that I listed).

      Female #1 was not right for me. She wanted to marry me but I knew that we were not meant to be together. She took the breakup very hard. She is married today. I hope she’s happy.

      Female #2 and I never dated but we had so many things in common that it was absolutely unreal! She is married today. Is she happy in the life she chose? I have no idea. That whole situation with her will bother me until the day I die. There is no other way around it. There is much more to that story than I shared in my previous post, but I will leave the rest of it private.

      Female #3 was more of a friend/acquaintance and I didn’t see myself marrying her. Her mom certainly wanted us married (just like Female #1’s parents wanted us married) but this was just not going to happen. She is in a Novus Ordo religious order and I saw her going in that direction years ago. She most likely will never become a Sedevacantist (although anything is certainly possible). She knows that I gave her so much information that demonstrated that Sedevacantism was the only true position. She admitted it made perfect sense. And then she goes and becomes a Novus Ordo nun. In the words of Charlie Brown, “Good Grief!”

      Female #4 was a Sedevacantist. I could not figure her out, she had some other personal hang-ups that I did not like, and I don’t care if I ever see her again.

      Female #5 I hope to see one day again. That entire situation remains a mystery.

      I have resigned myself solely to God’s will as best I can. I know that in my own personal situation, it is very likely that I will be single for my entire life. If this is where I am meant to be then fine, I will accept it. I have not ruled out marriage and children but it seems like it would have probably already happened. I could be wrong though. Discerning God’s will can be very difficult. There were times when I really felt that God was leading me in this direction or that direction and then the situation ended extremely badly. There were situations in my life where I felt very strongly that I was following God’s positive will for me in my life and I was very close to finding real happiness, but instead they ended really badly and I saw that it was God’s permissible will for me, where He allowed me to go through hardships. I guess this was to strengthen my Faith, but so much of life remains a mystery that we will never understand it, this side of heaven. It can be very painful!

      I just try to be the best person I can be and live the best possible life I can. I pray a lot and try to remain as open as possible to wherever God is leading me. My most important thing in life is trying to grow in holiness and to keep learning more and more about the Faith. If marriage and children are meant to happen, then one day they will. If not, I will continue down the single vocation and try and grow holier and holier as best I can.

      I hope this advice helped you.

      Please feel free to write anytime.

      God bless you my friend.

      -TradWarrior

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  13. TradWarrior's Feeneyite vs Rocky analysis is hilarious. Goes to show that there are opponents even the great Rocky cannot withstand.

    If they've ever watched "Scarface" I'd like their prognosis for Al Pacino's character. Surely -he- must have prevailed; yes, no ?

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  14. Hi TradWarrior
    A good reply to that english man's question.

    I would be interested to know your reasons why if you were in that situation with a woman who rejected you for another man who then flaunted him with the dad present which then ends and then comes back to pursue him,why you would not want anything to do with her.
    Thanks
    R

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