As any regular reader of my blog knows, I've spent many years studying and exposing the occult. Since Vatican II, there has been what I have dubbed "The Occult Explosion," "The Occult Invasion," and "The Occult Revival." Any of those phrases fit. The occult has taken-off ("exploded") and seems ubiquitous in modern life since the end of the Robber Council in 1965. The occult has invaded the homes of the unsuspecting, who are receiving no warnings from the Vatican II sect on occult symbols and practices. The occult is enjoying a revival like never before--perhaps being more pervasive than in Old Testament days before Christ came to redeem us, and when the world was very pagan (and it has become such once more).
This is the first of a couple of posts I will publish on occult symbolism. I've written much on occult practices and how it influences things like music and movies, but not so much on occult symbols. Sometimes my friends will ask, "I want to buy [certain item they show me] but a writing or a picture on it looks strange. Is it occult?" Good question. Sometimes someone will know something is occult, but they don't know exactly why it's bad, other than the general condemnation of the occult by the Church and found in the Bible.
This post (and at least one more to follow) will expose occult symbolism, and offer some general advice on what to do if you suspect something may be occult. After all, while many things today are occult, not every symbol or writing we don't understand is automatically "occult." We must learn to discern. You may also be better equipped to help a family member or friend who has some occult symbol in his/her possession and may not realize it, thinking it harmless.
I claim no credit for any of the material in this post. All I did was compile the research on the occult into a terse and reader-friendly installment on this blog. The material comes from many online and print resources. I hope you find it useful. Please comment and let me know if you got something out of it.
Occult Symbolism
Occult symbols that once belonged to hidden societies and old spell-books are now everywhere—on store shelves, in fashion, in tattoos, and across social media. The Pentagram, the Hamsa, the Ouroboros, the Ankh—what once felt fringe has become familiar. Since Vatican II sent the One True Church underground (so to speak), the occult has been repackaged and popularized by those doing Satan's work.
In our modern world, the same symbol can function very differently depending on intent, understanding, and context. There are many who wear or have occult symbols. These people fall into one of three (3) categories:
- The casual user wears or has them for style, culture, or personal meaning, largely unaware of their spiritual claims
- The occult "dabbler" looks for help, healing, protection, identity, or “energy,” without considering the source of that power
- The committed occultist understands the symbol’s meaning and intentionally uses it within an occult/pagan worldview
The differences don't make the symbols any less occult, but they can (and should) change how we respond when trying to rescue someone from occult influences. Symbols communicate. They carry meaning even when the wearer has no intention of making a statement. In medio stat veritas--"in the middle lies the truth." Two equal and opposite errors arise from some Traditionalists and others, (a) "it's just art" so you can use any symbol and it's OK, not to worry; (b) "every symbol is dangerous and a sin to have/display." I can not possibly cover all symbols, even in multiple posts.
So how do we discern symbols? There are four (4) vital questions you must ask yourself as outlined below.
Discerning Symbols
When deciding whether to buy, wear, or display a symbol, consider these four questions.
What does it communicate?
Even if you mean “it’s just a design,” what does it signal to others? Some symbols overtly align with an occult worldview—self-divinization, power through-ritual, or impersonal divinity. Symbols such as the Pentagram, Sigil of Baphomet, Leviathan Cross, and Sigil of Lucifer fall into this category. These can be rejected without further evaluation.
Other symbols are more flexible and require discernment. Ask:
Does this create confusion about what I believe? Does it publicly associate me with a false worldview that is non-/anti- Traditionalist? If so, that alone is reason to reject the symbol. It could cause scandal.
What is it connected to---i.e., consider both its function and setting.
For example, a crescent moon on a child's pajamas most probably represents nighttime and going to sleep for the night. A crescent moon on a pendent and sold as a "charm" is most probably an occult talisman, or if it has Arabic letters, it is probably offering praise to "Allah" the false moon god of Mohammedans. A crystal on display in the context of many different rocks is probably connected to geology, whereas a crystal sold to give you "good vibes" is occult.
What is your intent?
Be honest with yourself. If you are seeking power, protection, guidance, identity, control, or peace from the symbol itself, you are assigning it spiritual power. Spiritual power does reside in e.g., a blessed statue of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, which power comes from God through the blessing of His priest. We must not do this with symbols not expressly approved and blessed by the Church.
What kind of reaction do you get from it?
After displaying it/wearing it/engaging with it, do you notice fear, anxiety, or obsession with it? Does it cause you to consider looking up certain spiritual practices (non-Church approved) that you wouldn't otherwise do? This is the test given to us by Our Lord Himself: "By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit." (St. Matthew 7:16-17).
Ancient Pagan Symbols Tied to the Occult
These symbols originate in pagan religious systems that located divinity within creation itself, treating the natural world as sacred rather than as a gift pointing beyond itself to the Creator. The occult and pagan worldviews have much in common. The occult teaches, "God" is within you. Pantheism (God and the world are one) and panentheism (God is in creation as a soul in a body) pervade both occult and pagan teachings.
The Ankh
Meaning: Clutching at immortality. It represents the “breath of life” as a force to be possessed rather than a gift to be received. It is the ultimate symbol of vitality and fertility, a visual hope that life can be extended and death cheated through the right knowledge and power.
Origin: Dating to around 3150 BC, it appeared in Egyptian art as gods bestowed the ankh to pharaohs, symbolizing immortality. Its precise origin is debated—theories include a sandal strap, the Knot of Isis (a fertility symbol), or the union of Osiris and Isis representing life’s creation.
Uses Today: Worn as jewelry or tattooed as a charm, often signaling an affinity with esoteric wisdom, Neopaganism, or African cultural identity; it typically expresses belief in an impersonal “life force” that can be drawn upon for energy or protection. Some women use it to signal they are fertile and available--especially if worn as long earrings.
Why it should not be used: Eternal life comes from Christ through His One True Church. The Ankh is pagan in origin, and is a sign that eternal life comes from an impersonal force. For women it sends an impure message, even if unintended.
Eye of Horus
Meaning: A watcher that never blinks. It is a talisman of paranoia, worn to ward off the “evil eye” and darker spirits. Its design mimics the falcon’s eye with a teardrop marking, symbolizing fractions of the senses (sight, smell, thought). It promises that if you wear the right drawing (the Eye of Horus, aka Wedjat), you are safe from the invisible malice of the spiritual world.
Origin: Born from a god’s mutilation. In Egyptian myth, the falcon god Horus has its eye torn out in a violent battle with Set and magically restored. It became the prototype for the “amulet”—a damaged thing made whole, used to protect the living and the dead.
Uses Today: Worn as jewelry and tattoos, often signaling affinity with ancient Egyptian wisdom or protection beliefs. Popular in occult contexts as a talisman for warding off harm and accessing spiritual insight.
Why it should not be used: It has a decidedly pagan origin and offers "protection"--not from God---against "spirits." It is an implicit calling upon evil, and also is an indirect denial of God's protection by substituting an impotent pagan symbol.
Meaning: The dizzying spin of existence. The three interlocking spirals suggest that reality is an endless loop of motion—life, death, rebirth; past, present, future; land, sea, sky. It denies the “End” of history, offering instead the comfort (and trap) of eternal recurrence. A symbol of heretical/pagan/occult reincarnation
Origin: Carved into the rock of Newgrange 5,000 years ago, these spirals predate the Celts. They are the ancient world’s attempt to map the feeling of time moving forward while seasons cycle back. Celts adopted and expanded the motif into intricate knotwork appearing on stonework, manuscripts, and jewelry.
Uses Today: Popular in jewelry, tattoos, and festival branding. Used as a devotional emblem in Neopagan communities to represent the goddess’s triple aspect and cyclical rebirth.
Why it should not be used: It's a symbol of reincarnation; nothing more need be said.
Kabbalistic Tree of Life
Meaning: The "ladder to godhood." This complex diagram maps the human attempt to climb back to heaven. It claims that through intellectual effort, we can ascend the ten spheres (sefirot) connected by 22 path; climbing from the earthly Kingdom (Malkuth) to the Divine Crown (Kether).
Origin: Jewish mysticism’s answer to the problem of distance. Later adopted by Western ceremonial magicians (like the Golden Dawn), it became a roadmap for “pathworking," i.e., using the mind to travel spiritual dimensions.
Uses Today: Appears as home décor, pendants, yoga-studio art, and occult diagrams. Used as a map for pathworking and astral projection, where practitioners symbolically ascend the spheres to access higher consciousness or gnosis.
Why it should not be used: Jewish-occult symbol that mocks God. We don't "ascend to become God," rather God descended to become one of us and reconcile sinners to Himself (St. John 1:14).
Conclusion
Symbols have deep meaning and are important. They link things tangible to realities that are intangible. We can't see love, but when a man brings red roses to his wife, love is symbolized. The ultimate symbol of love is the crucifix, God died so we may live forever. Those are wonderful symbols. However, when the symbol is linked to intangible evils by symbolizing heresies, immoralities and calling upon (evil) spirits for "protection" they become an invitation (wittingly or not) for evil to enter your life. Invite evil in and it will take you up on your request.
Dear Introibo,
ReplyDeleteThe reason why wicked celebrities cover one eye is because they are following the eye of Horus. I had seen that not only in the US but also in my own country.
This April 28 would be the anniversary of the finding of the Santo Nino image in Cebu in 1565,
Sincerely,
Ryan
Ryan,
DeleteInteresting story of the Santo Nino image.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I have a hindu woman at work who wears several silver medals around her neck with other bead necklaces. The medals seem strange . She also has several lines painted down her nose from the fore head and a large red mark at the top of the forehead. She gives off a very bad vibe and others who are protestants have said that too.
ReplyDelete@anon5:02
DeleteHindus are pagans and seeped in evil symbols representing their demon gods and false doctrines. Wear a blessed St. Benedict Crucifix Medal. Pray for her.
God Bless,
---Introibo
There is no longer any moral authority to condemn evil, so it runs rampant. And the so-called Catholic authorities, who should be condemning evil, are helping it to flourish under the guise of love for the world, mercy, and charity. Rome is occupied by wolves in shepherds clothing !
ReplyDeleteRyan,
DeleteWhat you wrote is 100% true!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteGreat post, very informative and I can't wait to read the next installment!
I first saw the eye of horus on the cover of an album by the Alan Parsons Project, best known for their hit single "Don't Answer Me". The album was titled "Eye in the Sky". I found that image quite odd, but, hey, aren't rock album covers full of weird imagery anyway? I dismissed it and didn't dig any further.
By the way, Alan Parsons was the sound engineer behind Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon". Birds of a feather?
God Bless You,
Joanna
Joanna,
DeleteInteresting you mention Alan Parsons! Yes, I know that album well from my research in music. The Alan Parsons Project was a duo consisting of Alan Parsons (b. 1948) and Eric Woolfson (d. 2009). They used the occult symbol purposefully. I have a friend who's an entertainment attorney. About three years ago, I was going to see him at his firm when I saw Alan Parson's himself! Obviously, he couldn't tell me why he sought counsel, but I asked him what he thought of him. His answer (and he wouldn't elaborate) was "strange."
Glad you like the post. I want it not to be a mere list, but looked at from a Traditionalist point of view.
God Bless you, my friend
---Introibo
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteHave you checked out the CMRI location in NYC? What do you think of it?
@anon1:59
DeleteHaving just learned of it (I was told there was a Traditionalist chapel, but not that it was CMRI), I have not yet gone there, but I will do so when I get a chance; most probably in the summer.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you for this Introibo. Look forward to the next installment. It is very sad that most people have no idea of the meaning of these symbols .
ReplyDeleteWhen you say evil symbols of the hindu's . Are you meaning the pictures and images of their false " Gods" I believe they also have images in their temples of the human sex organs which they worship.
Is it correct that some branches of the hindu's like the vishnu devotees offer their food to their 'God" before eating.They will not eat others food.
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@anon2:16
DeleteM friend, Hindus have all kinds of vile symbols. Yes, many Hindus offer their food to their demon gods, and the demon Shiva is worshipped in the form of Shiva Lingam, a penis-shaped statue. Pure evil.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hi Introibo,
ReplyDeleteOff-topic I'm afraid, though have you written a piece in the Whore of Babylon specifically or, perhaps, as this may portend to the Vatican II Sect?
If not can you, or any of your readers, suggest an (online) commentary on such?
Thank you in advance.
@anon10:47
DeleteNo, I have not published anything on that topic--but I may. Other than theologians in pre-Vatican II manuals, I don't know of any online commentary that is solidly Catholic. If any reader knows of such a resource please comment here.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Not to worry, thank you all the same.
DeleteHi Introibo
ReplyDeleteI made a comment some time back about the same problem that Anon 27th 5.02AM speaks of. Correct, I wear a St Benedict Medal. I have noted she is wary of me now. I think you did say the Hare Krishna sect is a cult. They look demonic in their dress and dance. Gods blessings on you
@anon11:41
DeleteYou are wise to wear the St. Benedict medal! The Hare Krishnas are indeed a cult within Hinduism. They look and act very demonic.
God Bless,
---Introibo
This is worth a read:
Deletehttps://www.scapulars-au.com/use-of-the-st-benedict-medal
How would you folk feel if your young son who was brought up in the Traditional Catholic Faith came home to tell you that after all these years of waiting to meet a woman to marry he had become infatuated by a young woman at work who was a devout Hare Krishna. He said that he had fallen in love with her because she was kind ,loving and pretty. He had been going to temple worship with her for the last three months and joining with her in singing their chants, etc.
ReplyDelete@anon2:11
DeleteHe is under the snare of the "love bombing" Hare Krishna women do to seduce men into their cult. There should be an intervention with family, friends, and clergy before he ends up a full-blown cult member. Try and get him to wear a St. Benedict medal and pray for him.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo
DeleteThis is the first time to read about this. Can you go into more detail of 'love bombing" that Hare Krishna women do to seduce men into their cult. I am a young man and I feel great concern for this mans soul. Many thanks and God bless
@anon7:39
Delete'Love bombing" occurs when the targeted male (target) is put on a pedestal and showered with affection to lower their defenses. Many Indian women are very beautiful, intelligent, and charming. They make the target feel special and build up his ego.
The target starts to have strong feelings and even begins falling in love with the Hare Krishna woman.
The "only thing" she asks when he gets hooked, is to "come to my religious services because it's very important to me." Once he starts attending, the love bombing becomes more intense. She'll tell him, "If you want to be with me and marry me, you have to join my religion. If you really love me, you'll do it for me."
That's the essence of love bombing, and I've seen it work on someone. Beware.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Was Delilah a "love bomber" too?
DeleteEnquiring minds want to know.
@anon8:48
DeleteInteresting...in a certain sense I suppose! He certainly was blinded by her (and the Philistines)
God Bless,
---Introibo
When I was in high school, I did a rendering of a hand holding an ankh as part of a presentation for a world history class project, the usual ancient Egypt section. My teacher commented during the presentation, "the similarity (of the ankh) to the cross is interesting; do you think there was any relation?" I honestly could not say, but it was intriguing that at least on a superficial level there is the impression of some kind of prefigurement in these pagan symbols. Or perhaps perversion.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the Kabbalah "tree of life," those obsessed with the Knights Templar often cite their apparent incorporation of this geometry into everything they may have touched or constructed. The more Church history I read, the more I find the fervor that order has gotten is so much to do about nothing and a claim by Masons and liberals to some kind of gnostic gravitas.
Finally, and not particularly occult, but more regarding adornment and symbolism, there is a Novus Ordo parish near where I live whose tabernacle is inscribed with Hebrew lettering and prominently at that. I can clearly understand the Vatican 2 significance of such a thing.
Gjergj Kastrioti,
DeleteYes, the symbolism of Vatican II could be the subject of an entire post! There is also a trend among the more Modernist V2 sect ministers to call Jesus by the Hebrew
"Yeshua." Somehow that makes Him sound "more authentic and emphasizing the Jewish roots of Christianity" or some such nonsense.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Growing up, there was a visiting priest in my parish who was a convert from Judaism. I believe his father was a rabbi, who understandably disowned him when he converted. At the time, we all thought he was the best priest because he offered the Novus Ordo with a weight and reverence that was particularly Jewish in intensity. His sermons were, again at the time, powerful because of his knowledge of scripture. Totally unlike the drivel the other priests offered.
DeleteAnyway, when he said the name of Christ during the "consecration" he referred to him as "Emmanuel," not "Jesus" or even "Jeshua."
Introibo, Fr. Jenkins just said he doesn't believe Archbishop Lefebvre asked Bishop Thuc to ordain and consecrate with the Palmar de Troyas. Do you agree?
ReplyDelete@anon12:45
DeleteIf Fr. Jenkins said that, he's way off base. It was common knowledge of the Traditionalist clergy in the 1970s that Abp. Lefebvre asked Bp. Thuc to go to Palmar de Troya.
I'd like to see Fr. Jenkins' proof. Abp. Lefebvre, who did much for the Traditionalist movement was not as "perfect" as some clergy try to make him out to be.
He really was timid compared to others like Fr. DePauw and Bp. Kurz. When Bp. Kurz was sick in West Germany in 1973 and couldn't come to the United States to administer Confirmation to the members of Fr. DePauw's Ave Maria Chapel, the good bishop called Lefebvre and asked him to do it for him.
Archbishop Lefebvre replied that Fr. DePauw was "too high profile" and he "didn't want to be involved with him." How's that for gratitude to a bishop who stood with him at V2 against the Modernists? So, it comes as no surprise that Lefebvre would want another bishop to check out Palmar de Troya and keep his "low profile."
God Bless,
---Introibo
If anyone wants to see go to last week's WCB what Catholics believe video at 52min in. One minute lead in.
DeleteNice article, Introibo.
ReplyDeleteGod bless,
-TradWarrior
TradWarrior,
DeleteThank you, my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo, I hope you have been well?
ReplyDeleteI know this is very off topic, I apologize. But I wanted to know a bit more about your claim that you believe the eastern rites to be invalid? I have seen you claim it on a few occasions.
I just wanted to run it by some people who are knowledgable about this stuff and see if they agree with it or not. Thank you and may God bless you.
Jeremy Van Auker
Jeremy,
DeleteI'm doing well, my friend! Just a bit overworked and tired.
My problem with the Eastern Rites is that in 1990, they had their Canons "updated" to reflect V2 (heretical) doctrine. Many Eastern churches moved from liturgical languages like Church Slavonic to local vernacular languages to "improve understanding." These changes were obviously not approved by a true pope and could have invalidated the form of the sacrament substantially.
Once a church changes a Rite, and there is no pope to approve the changes, it throws doubt on the rite.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Changing words to a local vernacular language as long as the same words are used wouldn't make a sacrament invalid. Can you show what words changed?
Delete@anon5:22
DeleteI have not researched it in depth. I would never consider anything that's part of the V2 sect as an option for anything. You basic contention is correct. However, there are other problems as well. The matter was "de-latinized" so as not to reflect the Latin Rite (valid). Does the rite have an inherent positive contrary intention?
My opinion.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Eastern Orthodoxy is not an option either yet they have valid bishops and priests. If a sect as bad as the EO has valid Orders why wouldn't the Eastern Rites?
Delete@anon9:35
DeleteThe EO retained the rites of when they were Catholic. The Magisterium pronounced their validity, and as long as they don't change the rite, validity is certain. The Eastern Rites are part of the Vatican II sect--worse than EO---and no one can pronounce upon the rites they changed in a time of sedevacante.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Many thanks Introibo for giving details on 'love bombing" .The person you saw it being worked on, did they wake up and get out of the situation. The poor man in the situation above that Anon 2.11 speaks of must be naive. I am sure once a woman gets the man "hooked" into her cult, then she will make him adopt her veg diet,etc.How gullible and stupid some people are to be "brainwashed"
ReplyDelete@anon3:24
DeleteThe man I know got out, but endured much heartache, mental anguish, and lost a large sum of money. It really is a form of brainwashing, but the men are by no means stupid. The feeling of euphoria that comes with the attention and ego-stroking of a pretty girl becomes addictive---like an actual drug. Before they realize it, they are blinded to what's going on, and don't want to lose the woman and the way she makes him feel. It's quite sad.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteSomeone said recently that the Ottaviani intervention was written by Mgr. de Lauriers, but I read here it was written by Ottaviani and Bacci I think. What do you think? thanks
@anon4:15
DeleteThe named authors were Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci, but it was a group of theologians and canonists behind them as well. Among them Fr (later Bp) de Lauriers and Fr. DePauw.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteYou said that Terri Schiavo was murdered by withholding the ordinary means of food and water. I agree with you.
Is it okay for somebody to request "extraordinary means"? I myself would want extraordinary means.
@anon6:47
DeleteYes. Ordinary means of care are required by the Fifth Commandment under pain of mortal sin. Extraordinary means **MAY** be withheld at the patients request, but if the patient wants those extraordinary means used, then that care must be employed.
With many of today's doctors being medical murderers, I have requested extraordinary means to be used. If you want to make sure your wishes are carried out, go to an attorney in your state and have them draw up a very comprehensive and detailed Health Care Proxy. Make sure the person who is your proxy is someone you can trust and will honor your wishes, no matter what anyone tells him.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo
ReplyDeleteLate Easter-tide blessings to you.
Great Post on the symbols of the occult. I have a number of good books exposing all this. It is very sad how most can't see.
As typical as it gets, Father Jenkins is spreading false and misleading info about Thuc. He really does have a problem.
Regarding the Hare Krishna cult. I feel somewhat sad that a man would get hooked into that garbage. It is a form of psychological and emotional abuse. Did your friend lose much money? How long after he was hooked, did he break free. What made him see the light?
I look forward to your 2nd installment. God bless from Down Under
TradSedeCath, NZ
TradSedeCatholic,
DeleteMy friend lost approx. $50,000. A year after being a member, she dumped him and started "love bombing" another target. Sometimes when you're "all in" they feel it safe to hook someone new. He was devastated and left promptly.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thanks for your info about someone being hooked to the HR cult. Have you noted when looking at these women they have charming bad eyes. A classic sign of demonic possession.
ReplyDelete@anon9:28
DeleteInteresting. I wasn't aware of that.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Although this isn't on topic with regard to the "occult symbolism" subject of this post, it should be more than apropos enough for a forum such as this one. To wit, on April 12 at 8:03PM, the MAGA Macho Man, DJT, published the following outburst on his "Truth Social" platform:
ReplyDelete"... I like his brother Louis [Prevost] much better than I like him, because Louis is all MAGA. He gets it, and Leo doesn't! I don't want a Pope who thinks it's OK for Iran to have a Nuclear Weapon... Leo should be thankful because, as everyone knows, he was a shocking surprise. He wasn't on any list to be Pope, and was only put there by the Church because he was an American, and they thought that would be the best way to deal with President Donald J. Trump. If I wasn't in the White House, Leo wouldn't be in [= head honcho at] the Vatican..."
So after dropping who knows how many thousands of bombs on Iran, Trump decided to drop that bomb on the Vatican. How kind of him. Of late, Trump and Prevost have been engaging in a war of words (of sorts), depicting each other as being political perverts. By now, there is no shortage of Internet commentary about this, including an April 23 "Newsweek" article stating that "Trump's approval rating rises with Catholics after bashing Pope Leo."
https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/the-midterm-psyop-in-a-cassock (April 13)
https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/straining-at-trump-swallowing-leo (April 16)
@anon6:45
DeleteVery interesting! Thank you for sharing the links.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo and others, I suppose many of us could say many things about Trump's tweet bombing (instead of Hare Krishna love bombing), of the Vatican, but is his claim that Prevost "wasn't on any list to be Pope" true? No. In fact, if you look carefully, you will see that Prevost WAS correctly predicted to become a Nope, right here in THIS blog!! It is seen in a May 2 comment of 10:07 made to the "Pick a Heretic" April 28, 2025 post. A year ago. Blaze Soup-Itch (aka, Blase Cupich) of Chicago, probably would never receive even one vote in a conclave unless he voted for himself. So Blaze of She-caw-go = B. of Chicago = actually, Bob of Chicago. Now do you see it?!
DeleteWhen I google searched : conclave odds prevost , various website results popped up, including one for the Wikipedia page "Gambling on papal conclaves". Grokipedia too, now has a page of that same title. The consensus of the betting or wagering markets, was that "Cardinals" Parolin, Tagle, Pizzaballa, Erdo, Sarah, Turkson, and Zuppi, were the top seven horses in the 2025 Vatican Derby race. Prevost was indeed a "dark horse" and was given about a 1% to 1.5% chance of being allowed to dress up in white. Trump apparently thinks that Prevost had zero chance of prevailing. It was Cupich who had zero chance.
Those May 2 musings about potential conclave results, as alluded to in the 1:48 comment above, do look somewhat strange in retrospect. Using the prediction diversification strategy known as "hedging bets", it was also "jokingly wagered" that Mario Draghi, who studied at a Jesuit school in Rome, could be elected and take the name "Pope Dragon". Per 'Google Translate', "Draghi" is indeed Italian for "Dragons". Anyway, those May 2 musings are perhaps just as strange -- if not stranger? -- than the vibe(s) once purportedly given off by Alan Parsons (as noted above by Introibo, in response to Joanna). Curious, but strange.
DeleteP.S. And, speaking of derby races, the Kentucky Derby (often called the first leg of horse racing's Triple Crown) will take place on May 2, 2026, on what by sheer coincidence, it seems, is the "first anniversary" day, of that "strange" comment. That derby was held on May 3 (not May 2) in 2025. The Wikipedia page "2026 Kentucky Derby" has a listing of the horses involved and their odds of winning. (I'll simply sidestep the related issue here of "Gamblers Anonymous".)
May God abundantly bless all of the readers here.
Introibo I was somewhat sad to read what happened to your friend.
ReplyDeleteMay I ask did he want to marry this woman and that is why he joined the HK cult. Was he engaged to her when she dumped him?
He must of been really hood winked to hand over that type of money- 50,000 dollars
How long after leaving the cult did he get his life back on track? Did he have on going problems of realising he had been misled? Do you still see him? Did he find and marry someone else?
God bless
@anon7:14
DeleteYes, he wanted to marry her. He was "head over heels" in love. He proposed and she dumped him. She revealed she was "seeing" ("love bombing") someone else. He would have done anything for her--lucky for him it stopped after 50K.
It took three years for him to get his life together--although you never leave something like that unscathed; there are emotional wounds that don't fully heal.
Yes, I see him and he married a nice woman.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo
DeleteReading the comments above about the Hare Krishna cult. Are you aware that they keep bottles of cow urine and dung which they use in their temple ? Talk about being sick. They are indeed a Demonic cult.
The info that you gave in your last comment, how long after your friend left them and got his life in order did he met his future wife?
God bless
@anon8:00
DeleteIt took him about 3 years to get his life together, and he met his wife about 2 years after that.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo I see online lot of talk about a gathering of Catholic bishops and thesis too. Have you read any of it? I know you have written on the thesis in the past, have you updated your view? Some say it is a simple question if you believe in thesis or not but i dont know what to think sometime. It sound kind of silly to look for Vat II heretics to save us with a true pope. many thanks to you and blessings. TradWarrior and others your thoughts too please.
ReplyDelete@anon10:18
DeleteI stand by my position which is this: I am OPEN to sedeprivationism, but I am not convinced. The reason I am open is because of the FACT that Fr. DePauw was summoned to Rome by Luciani (JPI) for the purpose of helping in restoring the sect to the Church pre-Vatican II.
JPI was murdered shortly thereafter. Could he have renounced Modernism, become Catholic, and attained to the papacy? I believe it was possible.
However, unless and until something like that happens again, I am a sedevacantist who believes in an imperfect General Council to restore the papacy.
God Bless,
---Introibo
So, if Bob Prevost like Luciani changed his ways, it would be ok? Aren't the Vat II cardinal electors heretics and lose their jurisdiction? It is good that Luciani wanted to restore the sect and Fr. DePauw was asked to help him but how does this prove anything? I still dont understand how he attains papacy even after renouncing modernism and becoming Catholic. and if Luciani situation was different please say how and if so how can we say the same thing can happen with Prevost? thanks
Delete@anon12:45
DeleteLet me explain it like this: Suppose, ad arguendo, Bob Prevost were to make a public pronouncement this summer. Before the whole world, on live television, he declares that the Vatican II sect is NOT the Roman Catholic Church, but a man-made institution. He was enlightened by God to realize that it is Modernism. He then publicly renounces Modernism, takes the anti-Modernist Oath and the Profession of the Catholic Faith.
He declares Vatican II to be null and void, and the last true pope was Pope Pius XII. He promotes the Traditionalist Bishops to Cardinals and asks to be ordained and consecrated in the Traditional Rites of the Church. Everything will pick up where it left off on October 9, 1958 when Pope Pius XII died. He excommunicates and deposes any/all sect clerics who refuse to submit. He then DOES what he said he would do.
If all this happened, would YOU consider him pope? I would. "By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" (St. Matthew 7:16).
I would wait and hear Provost's (now a real pope) explanation as to the how and why of sedeprivationism.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anon10:18am,
DeleteI agree with what Introibo wrote. I will add a bit more. The Thesis to me seems very goofy. It always has. You are looking to V2 heretics as if a true pope could emerge from one of them. They remain outside the church. One must be inside the church and a Catholic in good standing to become pope. It must be a baptized male, who is not disqualified for a variety of reasons e.g. heresy, insanity, etc.
Introibo lists a very interesting scenario and if by a miracle from God this happened to Prevost, or a future V2 successor to him, than perhaps it could happen. It is not a probable situation. If I am holding the Ace of Diamonds and the King of Diamonds and I throw in 3 cards and ask for 3 more, the likelihood of me getting the Queen of Diamonds, the Jack of Diamonds, and the 10 of Diamonds is highly unlikely! A Royal Flush is not likely. Neither is it likely for a V2 heretic to renounce his errors, become a Traditional Catholic, depose all those clerics in the V2 sect as heretics, elevate the Traditional bishops to cardinals, and then hold an election to elect a true pope. It probably is not going to happen. The election of a true pope by natural means (an Imperfect Council), by supernatural means (Ss. Peter and Paul appear in the sky and elect a pope), or there never being a pope again and we go into the General Judgment one day – are all more probable situations. Could the Thesis one day come true? It is possible but it is not probable. It’s asking too much from outside the church when we already have possibilities inside the church that are FAR more likely. The Traditional Catholic clergy are the leaders of the church. We have no ordinary jurisdiction, only supplied jurisdiction, and this suffices because the salvation of souls is the highest law of the church and the church must go on until the end of time.
The situation with Luciani was tragic because by many accounts it seemed like he was going to “right the ship” if he was only given the chance. His summoning of Fr. DePauw to Rome cannot be minimized here. When he was murdered, it put an end to any hope of restoring the traditional church at that time. He was surrounded by too many freemasons and the men whose names were prominent around him in Rome at the time were all extremely problematic for one reason or another. Men such as Villot, Casaroli, Bea, Suenens, Bugnini, Marcinkus, and many others in the Roman Curia were not going to allow any return to tradition. If Luciani was seriously going to attempt this, then he had to go. And go he did!
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DeleteThe institutional church is just too far gone today. It has been so far gone for so long now. It was too far gone when Luciani “reigned.” It was too far gone when Roncalli and Montini governed over Vatican II. It was too far gone when Pope Pius XII died, and we had the fewest cardinal electors in 100 years because the church was already so heavily infiltrated and Pius XII wasn’t sure who he could trust. It was heavily infiltrated when Pope St. Pius X died and Pope Benedict XV was elected and a softer approach was taken on modernism and the guard was let down. Rather than del Val being elected pope, we got della Chiesa instead. Rather than Benedict keeping del Val as Secretary of State, he went with Gasparri instead, and the church moved in a different direction. Going back further to Pope Pius IX in the previous century, we see the infiltration was so heavy then that he barely escaped with his life when he was forced to flee.
The infiltration by the enemies of the church has been going on for far too long now. This is one reason why an Imperfect Council should be tried. It honestly should have been tried years ago in my opinion. If I was a Sedevacantist bishop, I would have done everything in my power to have tried to make this happen. Bringing together the fellow traditionalist bishops is not an easy task but it should seriously be attempted. The Holy Ghost is with the Catholic Church and these men lead the Catholic Church, though in an imperfect way with no monarchical head to govern the church. What if they did, through the power of The Holy Ghost, elect a true pope? What was temporarily suspended in 1958 is now regained in 2026 and there is a vicar once again on the throne to rule. If this doesn’t come about, there can still be much headway made by the various factions coming together. They are not going to agree on everything, and this goes without saying, but they could help each other, and perhaps more importantly, the laity they govern respectively, with providing the sacraments on a much wider basis than they already are. Worst case scenario – no progress is made anywhere and we remain exactly where we are. If nothing came about, then at least they tried. The attempt is worth it.
-TradWarrior
Introibo thanks for your reply.
DeleteYou say-
He promotes the Traditionalist Bishops to Cardinals and asks to be ordained and consecrated in the Traditional Rites of the Church. Everything will pick up where it left off on October 9, 1958 when Pope Pius XII died
Why does he have power or jurisdiction to promote them? and i think everything will pick up where it left off whether it be prevost or someone else as it relates to getting a true pope.
would i consider him pope? i will consider the true pope to be who our true bishopes say is pope if they come to moral agreement or whatever exactly the Church teaches on it. bob prevost or no bob prevost. I will say novus ordo people will be much more accepting of prevost and we will have unity, but then again will the novus ordite people want to be true Catholic anyways after new pope prevost denounces their false religion? i don't think so they will live how they want as usual but I am straying from topic. It is well to see good fruits but that doesnt prove anything.
TradWarrior thank you for you good input and I agree with you, they are outside the church. ok so possible this whole scenario happens with prevost - so what has this got to do with thesis? i say nothing unless you think that the true bishops need prevost to promote them and that is big assumption.
I agree with you when you say- Traditional Catholic clergy are the leaders of the church. I dont think they need prevost or thesis to work to make them thus. now that thesis is challenged more all sorts of errors are finally coming to light with non-needed colored titles, jurisdicion of common error, ordinary jurisdiction, and on. i don't say i fully understand everything but i don't need to when someone shows with theology when these things aren't true. bishops arent just sacrament vending machines with authority of the local garbagemen.
I agree with you i am surprised they haven't tried to make the imperfect council happen before but then again maybe some thought they were being prudent and wanted to get their churches going first and then you know one year becomes the next and so on, but i thinks others like it just how it is and don't want a pope honestly. i didn't say names so I don't think I am speaking wrong. Yes I think so too they should at least try this is no pope michael situation.
thank you both again I value what you say. God bless all.
@anon11:05am,
DeleteThank you for the reply. Per your response, this is why I have problems with the Thesis. It just doesn’t make sense to me. It never did.
Your point about some Sede clergy being content and not wanting a pope is a point that Lee brought up a while back in a post and I agree with him. Some of them are just too comfortable the way they are, but that is not helping the situation. The church needs a visible ruler for things to work properly. Absent that, and it makes it much harder on everyone.
I have said this before and I will say it again. If the Sede clergy want it bad enough, then they will try to meet and solve this problem. When you want something bad enough and are willing to have it at all costs, you go for it! I have not seen this from them on a whole. Hopefully, this eventually changes and something gets attempted. If not, then we remain right where we are and people continue to suffer in the state they are in.
-TradWarrior
In light of the comments of Introibo and TW preceding, nobody has yet seen fit to cite this:
Deletehttps://akacatholic.com/is-the-church-militant-paralyzed/ which is a April 22, 2026 blog post, wherein Louie Verrecchio endorses what could be called, the "ersatz conclave" thesis, of Bishop Roy.
Introibo:
ReplyDeleteIf you were not married, and had a religious vocation, AND all religious orders and dioceses were traditional, what diocese or religious order would you join?
@anon10:58
DeleteEither: (a) a priest of the Diocese of Ghent (where Fr. DePauw was ordained; (b) a Franciscan; (c) a Dominican.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I would live in the woods lol
DeleteClose to Mass tho.
DeleteIntroibo,
DeleteHow far down your list would the Jesuits be? Lol!
-TradWarrior
TradWarrior
DeleteIn the basement! Lol As Fr. DePauw would say, "The Jesuits are always good for a laugh or a heresy. Usually both."
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo, How about a Benedictine?
ReplyDelete@anon6:45
DeleteA noble order, but I think I'm soured on them because of the ersatz "Benedictines" Fred and Bobby Dimwit.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo.I was somewhat sad to hear of what happened to your friend. I have read some good material on the subject of guarding against the dangers of romantic illusions.
ReplyDeleteThe CMRI church in New York, who ordained these two priests?Do many people attend there? I have noted there is no church website.,God bless.Peter
If they are with CMRI, they most likely have been either ordained by Bishop Pivarunas, or somebody he approves of.
Delete@anon8:08
DeleteI have yet to check it out, but I agree that if they are CMRI, it would be Bp. Pivarunas.
God Bless,
---Introibo
HELP REQUIRED!
ReplyDeleteI recall reading an alleged quote attributed to Roncalli, said in advance of the 1958 conclave, to the effect of:
"In a week's time, I'll be the pope."
I can find no trace of this via search-engine, though I'm most certain that such a source exists.
If anyone, Introibo, TW, Joanna, Leo (if you're still here) or any reader can assist, please do!
Thanks in advance,
HJ
HJ,
DeleteI have been looking for that quote for a while here and so far I cannot find it. I thought that Roncalli made a statement like that too. There is much evidence against Roncalli.
*He was under suspicion of modernism by the Holy Office going back to the reign of Pope Pius XI.
*His name was linked to Masonic lodges in Paris and Istanbul.
*Franco Bellegrandi stated that one week prior to Roncalli being elected he had an exchange with a high ranking freemason. The freemason told Bellegrandi that the choice had already fallen on the Patriarch of Venice – Roncalli. Perhaps, this is what you were remembering and referring to. The freemason told Bellegrandi that the church was in the hands of the freemasons (and this was back in 1958).
*Cardinal Tisserant admitted that there were irregularities in the 1958 conclave. He said “The election of John XXIII was illegitimate because it was willed and planned for by forces alien to the Holy Spirit.” There were certainly shenanigans that took place and there was communication with the outside due to freemasonic and communist influence.
*Giulio Andreotti said that Roncalli had told him that he was already being congratulated on being elected “pope” before the conclave even voted. The whole thing was rigged.
*Dr. Elizabeth Gerstner said that Roncalli was invalidly elected in 1958.
*Roncalli was dismissed from his teaching position at the Lateran Seminary.
*Pope Pius XII sent him to Venice, in the hope of keeping him out of trouble for the remainder of his life.
*Roncalli kept close friends with freemasons, communists, and modernists – all enemies of the Catholic Church.
The list of indictments against Roncalli goes on and on.
He was problematic for decades, long before his so-called “election” to the papacy.
-TradWarrior
HJ,
DeleteAbout Leo, yea, I agree with you, what did happen to him? As far as I can tell, he suddenly "popped up" as a commentator here, on Oct. 13, 2025, and was last heard from (??) on March 8 at 8:05PM. To me, it is uncharacteristic for him to simply vanish for so long. His comments were always helpful and interesting. Anyone can revert to "Anon" mode, but I don't sense that Leo is doing so.
As for Roncalli, who I recall Leo saying that his father referred to as "Jolly John", I greatly doubt that Roncalli would ever have said what you think he did. It's probably "fake news". I plan to say some more about this, in response to you, tomorrow. God bless.
Thank you both so very much.
DeleteTW, your knowledge astounds..
I am most certain I read the quote for which I search. It was said in, if I recall correctly, a boastful manner and, the writer obviously brought up the issue of conspiracy. Yes, the Masons (or more accurately their masters, BB) wanted Montini though that was not possible as Pius had chased him out of town, so they decided on Roncalli and it's incredulous to think he was unaware. He knew.
Do you have any further information on Roncalli's conduct in Venice? I am given to understand (again from something I read in the past) that he scandalised the faithful by partaking, whole-heatedly, in the EO schismatic's liturgy. I think they even reserved him a special seating arrangement, his attendance was so frequent and effusive.
And re: Leo, yes, strange. I found his input perhaps a touch forthright at times, however he was most knowledgeable and an asset to this community.
Thank you again.
HJ
To HJ (and others too) :
DeleteThis is 11:58 again, responding, as promised.
There is an old Roman proverb which, in its most abbreviated or concise form, states: "Chi entra Papa esce Cardinale". This is phrased in a handful of different ways in the Italian. In English, it means: "Whoever enters the conclave as pope, leaves it as a cardinal." Exactly when this proverb originated, I don't know, but it probably goes back centuries, and all (or virtually all) cardinals, are aware of that proverb. And which is why no cardinal would actually say, the quote you are putting into the mouth of Roncalli, unless it was meant to be understood merely as a joke. But if the quote is nothing more than a joke, then presumably it would be of no use for the purpose to which you want to apply it.
There is a Wikipedia page "Giuseppe Siri conspiracy theory" and a corresponding Grokipedia page "Giuseppe Siri papal election claims". Those who claim that Siri was the pope from 1958 (or 1978) until his death in 1989, advance a variety of (sometimes or often) tortured or twisted evidence and arguments for that. I wouldn't put it past one of them, as being the culprit in concocting your Roncalli quote, to help bolster the pro-Siri arguments. Cui bono?
That noted, I agree with most of TW's 10:07 comment, concerning which I was unaware while typing my own of 11:58. Introibo was probably sleeping then, and published both in the morning. TW notes Franco Bellegrandi, the author of "Nikita Roncalli". You can read (much about) that book online, and ferret out exact quotes from it. I don't doubt that Roncalli was "tipped off" before the 1958 conclave balloting, that outside forces were conspiring to get him elected. So in the privacy of his own mind, he could be thinking along the lines of your quote, but I doubt he would say those, or similar such words, out of his mouth.
Thank you very much, that is most helpful. Thank you for going to such effort, and thanks again to TW too.
DeleteYou make a good point re 'chi entra Papa...', perhaps, if he did say it, it was meant jokingly. I think he once quipped "God always knew I would be pope. Why did He make me so ugly?"
I think there is something to the Siri Thesis, with the operative word being 'something' because, irrespective of whether it was Siri or somebody else, something major occurred to usurp the (temporal) papacy; and as far as I can reason, that must have involved a clever scheme to, literally, steal it.
Thank you again
HJ
HJ,
DeleteThank you for your kind reply. Offhand, I do not have further evidence of Roncalli’s conduct in Venice, but it probably wasn’t good (just looking at the man’s track record, going back decades prior to the 1920’s).
I agree on the poster Leo. I miss his comments and wherever he is, I hope that he returns soon to the online forum. He came out of nowhere (kind of like me) and then just disappeared a little while ago. He added much to the discussion on here.
Going back to my comment to you – I didn’t mention the white smoke issue in the 1958 conclave in my bullet points because that is the obvious and most troublesome red flag in all of this. There was white smoke for 5 minutes that emerged from the Sistine Chapel on October 26, 1958 and the crowd was going crazy because a pope had been elected (or so everyone thought). 2 days later, Roncalli came out as “Pope” John XXIII. There has been much talk about both Cardinals Siri and Tedeschini being elected in1958 (among a few other names), but what we know for sure is that the trajectory of the church changed from this point forward, and not in a good way! For the record, I do not hold that Siri was secretly pope until his death in 1989 (the Siri Thesis). He submitted to Roncalli and Montini, and their successors, accepted Vatican II and the New Mass, and did not act the way a true pope could ever act.
The B’nai B’rith was certainly linked to what was going on as there was communication with the outside. These were the charges anyway and when we take the direct and circumstantial evidence all together (including, but not limited to, all of the bullet points I listed in my original comment to you), it is not hard to draw the logical and necessary conclusions that many nefarious things occurred during this time here.
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DeleteI could add several other points. A few lesser known things that deserve mention, and I could have listed them in my earlier bullet points (I will do so now), is that the number of cardinal electors was the lowest in about 100 years, as it was in 1958. I have seen reports that at the time of the 1958 conclave, there were only 55 cardinals. Of them, 2 of them were in Communist countries and could not attend the conclave, leaving the number of voting cardinals at 53. Cardinal Constantini died a few days before the conclave and to make matters worse, Cardinal Mooney, Archbishop of Detroit, died [literally] hours before the conclave. It was 1 day before white smoke emerged from the Sistine Chapel. He appeared to be in perfect health and then he went to his room and he was found dead a little later. Two other unfortunate accidents (?) occurred during this conclave. A Chinese cardinal arrived to the conclave with broken ribs after being hit by a car and a German cardinal supposedly fell and fractured his spine. Earlier in the year, Cardinal Stritch died, the Archbishop of Chicago. Both Detroit and Chicago saw two cardinals die in 1958 (one just hours before the conclave), and they both were replaced with liberal successors in Detroit and Chicago, respectively. Their successors were men who were very much onboard with Roncalli’s sweeping changes and Vatican II. Interesting, isn’t it!
There’s more though. Pope Pius XII died in 1958 and his own doctor said that his heart and lungs were perfectly healthy and he could have lived for 20 more years. He simply was worn out. What does that mean??? And the real Sr. Lucia seemed to disappear [was killed?] around 1958 too. Way too many things line up here.
I’ll add one more additional point and then I will leave it here (because there is MUCH more I could say). Paul Scortesco was the cousin to two members of the Vatican’s Noble Guard. He said that there were communications with the outside world during the elections of Roncalli and Montini in 1958 and 1963, respectively. He obtained this information from members of the Noble Guard. He said there was outside communication with the B’nai B’rith (Jewish freemasons). Right after this, he was found burned alive in his bed. He was murdered.
The evidence surrounding the 1958 conclave when taken in totality is completely damning and a strong case can be made that many nefarious events took place. As a whole, it led to the creation of the Conciliar Church, which had been in the work for many, many years prior. This was the pivot point though that spearheaded the Conciliar Church to eclipse the True Church (as had been referenced to at La Salette).
God bless,
-TradWarrior
Thank you very much TW, I did not know most (if not all) of that. Thank you very much indeed.
DeleteFr. Martin was no friend of the Church and Introibo's essay last year (and some of the comments) were most illuminating.
I think Sr. Lucia is said to have died in 1959 which, if you think of it (and without being macabre), makes some manner of sense in that, as I understand, she said the 3rd Secret must be released either in 1960 or upon her death.
Thank you again, I'm most grateful.
HJ
HJ
DeleteTradWarrior did a great job on the evil of Roncalli! I don't have a citation to that exact quote, but please see my post:
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-case-against-roncalli.html
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you very much Introibo.
DeleteHJ
Hi Introibo, sorry off-topic, though have you ever written on the invalidity of the Anglican consecrations, as per Leo XIII?
ReplyDeleteOr, could you explain precisely why he condemned them; and, further, just how similar are they to the Montinian of 1968?
@anon5:36
DeleteIn 1896, Pope Leo XIII definitively declared Anglican Orders to be “absolutely null and utterly void” in Apostolicae Curae.
This was because of a substantial defect of both form and intention. The form must univocally state the order and the grace of the Holy Ghost. As to the form, it removed all references to a sacrificial priesthood. As to the intention, it states that when a Catholic Rite is changed as to manifest something clearly contrary to what the Church teaches in the administration of the Sacrament, it is an external manifestation of an inherent defect of intent to do what the Church does. Any bishop who intends to do what the Anglican Ordinal does, is thereby not intending to do what the Church does.
Hence, it is invalid on both counts—and only one defect in matter, form, intention, or proper administer renders the Sacrament invalid. (On the part of the recipient there can be no obex, or “invalidating defect” on the part of the recipient. For example, the female sex is an obex to the valid reception of Holy Orders).
Are these defects similar to the Pauline Rite in the Vatican II sect? Yes. See my post:
http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2025/09/holy-orders-and-sedevacantism.html?m=1
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Of particular interest, in what is now the fourth to the last comment of that Sept. 22, 2025 post, and dated Sept. 29, is mention of a wmreview.org archive of literature, devoted to the subjects of 5:36's concern.
DeleteThank you very much Introibo. Thank you.
DeleteThank you, 11:14.
Deletehm looks like last week's discussion on womens' roles is on novus ordo watch comments too. even steven speray is referring to people as fake Catholic sedes lost with the Vatican 2 if you think women can be judges or governers. what say you Introibo? sounds like serious words when he says so-called catholics aren't catholic at all since they reject natural law. Trad warrior always love your thoughts too.
ReplyDeletehttps://novusordowatch.org/2026/04/leo14-receives-sarah-mullally-archbishop-canterbury/
@anon6:35pm,
DeleteI have followed this commentary over at Novus Ordo Watch. I would very much like to see Introibo respond to this. Steve Speray has chimed in, as has Lee. Mario at NOW replied to Lee that he is still researching this topic. Steve was also on Catholic Family Podcast with Kevin Davis over this issue. I watched that entire podcast and I thought that those three guys did a nice job. It is definitely an important issue to discuss because the dominant role of women in the workplace permeates our culture everywhere. I would agree with Steve that this is contrary to the natural law.
A few weeks ago, Introibo had a very lengthy back and forth discussion with someone on this very issue. Introibo brought up some very good points. In our society today, there are millions of people who barely scrape by and have to have a dual income with husband and wife working. The cost of inflation is WAY out of control and the price of food, gas, etc. is putting people below the poverty line. There are more and more homeless people that are begging on the streets and many of these people were in the workforce not that long ago. This is destroying families. I thought that Introibo made some fantastic points in that lengthy discussion and I agree with him on many of them. In the current state of the world today, how do you get millions of people in mass numbers to go back to just men working and women going back to staying at home? You are not going to. The world is too far gone. Many women no longer care about marriage, children, etc. For them, money and power and corporate jobs are what rule them and feminism has destroyed both sexes. I agree that much of the workplace today is totally against the natural law. How does one remedy this and go back to how things were decades ago? In my opinion, you can’t. The world doesn’t even operate the same way it did decades ago when things like milk and bread were 5 cents. This is only getting worse. At the very top are extremely wealthy elites who have so much money and power that they literally control everything. On a natural level, there is no stopping them. On a supernatural level, prayer, grace, and perseverance are what one has to rely on to get through these dark times (and they are getting darker).
Again, I would love to see Introibo write an article on this topic because it is affecting everyone nearly everywhere throughout society today, particularly in the West.
-TradWarrior
"Last week's discussion" ? Probably we can assume that you're referring to "last month's discussion" found in the March 30 "Dismantling Marriages" post.
DeleteVery good Tradwarrior, I concur with much of what you wrote. Even if we can't go back because society is too far gone, we should at least now if we should go back on a number of finer points regarding women's roles. Clearly there are different opinions, or should I say different interpretations, of Church and papal teachings. An article by Introibo would be very beneficial and useful for many who want to live good Catholic lives.
DeleteThe modernist who runs this blog calls people “Nick”, referring to Nick Fuentes, if you plainly and simply state that women do not belong in the workplace unless it is out of necessity. They certainly, without exception, do not have any place in positions of power. The examples he gave about Catholic Queens and Joan of Arc, were quickly argued against and refuted by a few commenters during that discussion. The man who makes these arguments just uses ad hominems and modernist blather to try and make excuses for why women can be lawyers, judges, and governors. Is he calling Speray “Nick Fuentes” now? I watched that podcast exchange about feminism with Speray, and when he talked about not wanting to work under females and leaving jobs because of it, I can totally relate, as do many masculine and ordered men. No man wants to work for female bosses. We are sick of feminism and this disordered dystopian society where crazy harridans are running things and weak men sit by twiddling their thumbs.
DeleteTradWarrior
DeleteWe are of the view that things have gone too far that the only solution is divine intervention. God bless
@anon8:28am,
DeleteI agree with you.
-TradWarrior
@anon6:32pm,
DeleteI agree with you too. The world is too far gone. Only divine intervention can fix this mess. We may not get that though until Christ comes again. We could remain without a pope ever again, and the church survives in little pockets of Remnant believers here and there around the globe. The unification of believers under a true pope may never occur. We will see in time.
God bless,
-TradWarrior
TradWarrior and those in this thread,
DeleteI will do a post on men and women as it relates to their roles later this year.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@Dimondite1:06
DeleteYou write: “The modernist who runs this blog calls people “Nick”, referring to Nick Fuentes, if you plainly and simply state that women do not belong in the workplace unless it is out of necessity.”
Reply: I’m no Modernist, however, you are a Dimondite heretic who denies the dogma of Baptism of Desire and of Blood. Many of the men who discuss women are like the pseudo-Traditionalist, incel, misogynist Nick Fuentes.
You write: “They certainly, without exception, do not have any place in positions of power. The examples he gave about Catholic Queens and Joan of Arc, were quickly argued against and refuted by a few commenters during that discussion”
Reply: No, they weren’t and that’s why you think Fred and Bobby know what they’re talking about when (like you) they are clueless.
You write, “The man who makes these arguments just uses ad hominems and modernist blather to try and make excuses for why women can be lawyers, judges, and governors”
Reply: You think BOD and BOB are “Modernist blather.” I make no “excuses” for women—I demonstrate why they can do these things. As far as “ad hominem” You call Traditionalists “Modernists” and have insulted my wife in your past comments.
You write: “Is he calling Speray “Nick Fuentes” now? I watched that podcast exchange about feminism with Speray, and when he talked about not wanting to work under females and leaving jobs because of it, I can totally relate, as do many masculine and ordered men.”
Reply: No, because Steve and I disagree, he is a Catholic, and I think mistaken on this point.
If you think Fred and Bobby are “masculine and ordered” –please excuse me while I laugh hysterically!!
You write:” No man wants to work for female bosses.”
Reply: Speak for yourself. I’ve worked for female partners and a female principal. With a couple of exceptions, they were better people, lawyers, and educators than the men I work/worked for over the last 35 years.
Praying for your conversion,
---Introibo
TradWarrior
ReplyDeleteYou make good points. Thank you always for your help and advice.
Just listened to a video that says 25 percent of American men over 40 are single. I was amazed to hear this but am not surprised. I am 61 and never married. I would of loved to have had a good Catholic wife and children but it never happened. I did have interest in a few women but they married men who did not take an interest in the Faith which I thought later I had dodged a bullet. Others didn't think I was good enough. In my younger years I would often cry broken hearted especially at night but have now come to accept everything. I often wondered why some had great sucess finding a spouse and others had no luck like me.
As a middle aged man I would suggest you go back over the last few months and read the comments of TradWarrior to the writings on this site. He goes into in depth about his own problems with dating and idea of courtship. The best thoughts on the subject I have seen in years.
DeleteDon't give up hope. I have seen men and woman get married in their 60's and 70's .
Praying for you brother. May our Lady help you and God bless
James
@anon5:45am,
DeleteI completely empathize with your situation! I may also be single for my entire life. I accepted this several years ago, as a real possibility. Never lose hope because anything can happen to anyone at any age and we don’t know what God’s plans are for our individual lives. It definitely is frustrating at times and I agree with everything you wrote. I have never seen so many mismatched couples as I do today. I have literally seen situations where I said to myself “This female, that female, and that other female would go FAR better with me than who they are dating/married to. Are they that blind?” The answer is “Yes.” Grace has been severely withdrawn from the world and as a result people are making worse and worse decisions, as they have no proper moral compass to guide them in these godless times in which we are living. And sadly, it will only get worse. Stay strong and let’s keep each other in prayer. We need as much grace as possible and to pray for each other. We are the church. It is we who are its members, small in number though we are. We need each other.
God bless you my friend,
-TradWarrior
James,
DeleteThank you so much for the kind comments. Yes, I have had my share of problems with the dating/courting scene. I believe at this particular time that I am 100% meant to be single. Will this remain like this forever? God only knows.
God bless you,
-TradWarrior
@anon5:45
DeleteI married later in life and I was resigned to being single when I (literally) bumped into my future wife at an art museum one Sunday afternoon! It's true: No one but God knows the future or His plans for us. You might get married--people do get married at all adult ages. You're in my prayers, my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
God Bless
Praying the Litany of St Joseph 9 days straight and going to Confession on the 8th or 9th day has been known to help single people meet a spouse.
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Do you wear a blessed Saint Benedict medal Introibo? Many Traditional priests suggest placing them above your doors of your home.
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DeleteAlways I'm wearing a blessed St. Benedict medal! They are around my home too!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Place Miraculous Medals (St. Benedict & St. Michael too if you like) around the perimeter of your abode. The same on your computer.
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the post. We did get something out of it. Sadly, I suspect we have a few Catholic "dabblers" in our mist in terms of healing and energy. Looking forward to your next post.
God Bless,
-S.T.
Seeking Truth,
DeleteGlad you got some good from it! Comments like yours keep me writing!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo: this might be slightly off topic, but my wife swears by ChatGPT, and over the past few months, she uses it more and more; I can’t explain my reaction to it per se, but something about that doesn’t feel right to me. Anyway, I was watching an old TV show from the 70s that portrayed the protagonists using a ouija board, and it hit me, the way she asks ChatGPT questions, is similar to how people use a ouija board. So, are there any resources you may know of, or have you published anything, on the similarity of AI to occult divination practices. Am I on to something or am I way off base? Thank you for all you do!!
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DeleteAI is addictive and people tend to give it a "god-like" status where it "cannot be wrong." AI can be programmed by those in the occult---and used for occult purposes. Please see my post:
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2026/02/contending-for-faith-part-48.html
God Bless,
---Introibo
Ok, thank you for your help. God bless you!!
DeleteLong-time reader, first-time comment. One of the things that made me suspect that all was not right with the Church was Midnight Mass, 1971. My 8th grade parochial school chorus sang Hare Krishna during Midnight Mass. Loudspeakers were set up outside and we blasted it to the neighborhood. You can’t make this stuff up.
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DeleteThank you for being a long-time reader and for commenting! No, you can't make it up. There were Novus Bogus "masses" when I was growing up using secular rock music with degenerate and occult messages. Sick and evil.
Look forward to more comments from you, I hope!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you for your kind words, Introibo. I have a whole host of similar memories. Just unbelievable. My family was the proverbial frog tossed into the boiling pot. By God’s grace we jumped out. Fr. DePauw’s radio Mass was our lifeline for many years. I’ll always be grateful to him. I can still hear the squeak of the tabernacle door. You were so blessed to know him (I know you know that!). We were on the other side of the country, so would never have able to go to his chapel. God bless you!
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