I really should really be writing a screenplay or novel about COVID-19. We all know that this pandemic will be the subject of countless movies, TV shows, and books. Just the sight of New York City looking like a veritable ghost town for the first time in my life is unsettling. I now do all my work via computer and phone from home until the lock-down is over. I was on the phone, talking to another lawyer I know, and she mentioned how glad she was that her children are reading more than ever since schools are teaching virtually and giving more reading assignments. When I inquired as to what they were reading, she responded, "The Harry Potter series. They read the first one, and now they want to read them all!" I told her those were not good books to read. Knowing my religious Faith, she replied with laughter in her voice, "Oh, I know! You're afraid their going to turn into witches and practice the occult, right?" What I said next was something she wasn't expecting. "No. I'm afraid they will not be able to distinguish right from wrong and do bad things."
The silence on her end of the phone was deafening. Then she slowly spoke up, "..what do you mean by that?" Whenever I'm confronted with someone who looks upon the supernatural with disdain, I try and explain the consequences of a non-Catholic worldview. Ideas have consequences. While it is very true that Harry Potter is evil because of its portrayal of Wicca and the occult, it is also wicked for promoting moral relativism. When I explained it all to her, she was shocked. A couple of days later, she called and left a message telling me that I was right and she would be taking the Harry Potter books away from her kids and replacing them with something else.
Fourteen years ago, at the request of a friend, I gave a presentation to a school board upstate New York explaining what moral relativism was, why it was bad, and how Harry Potter books teach children the wrong lessons. I recently found that paper. In this post, I will not attack Harry Potter (as countless others have rightfully done) for Wicca. Rather, I will hopefully demonstrate to you how that series of books encompass moral relativism, and why no child should read them. Despite cries of "separation of Church and State," what a person believes inevitably has consequences. What follows is the paper (edited by me) that I had researched and presented combined with my own current commentary. I hope this post will be a reminder that we must be vigilant as to what we read--and especially what children read. It is not without reason the Vatican II sect abolished the Index of Forbidden Books.
The Immoral Saga Begins
The Harry Potter craze began with the publication of author Joanne Kathleen (aka J.K.) Rowling’s first novel released in England as Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, which was renamed Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone for American readers, in September 1998. The book, about a young wizard-in-training, soon was on the New York Times best-seller list. Her life is as interesting as her fictional character. Her “mini-bio” runs thus:Joanne Rowling was born on July 31, 1965 in Yate, near Bristol, a few miles south of a town called Dursley (Harry Potter's muggle-family). Her father Peter Rowling was an engineer for Rolls Royce in Bristol at this time. Her mother, Anne, was half-French and half-Scottish. They met on a train as it left King's Cross Station in London. Her sister Diana is about 2 years younger than Joanne. In 1971, Peter Rowling moved his family to the nearby village of Winterbourne (still in the Bristol vicinity). During the family's residence in Winterbourne, Jo and Di Rowling were friends with neighborhood children, Ian and Vikki Potter.
In 1974, the Rowling family moved yet again, this time to Tutshill, near the Welsh border town of Chepstow (in the Forest of Dean) and across the Severn River from the greater Bristol area. Rowling admits to having been a bit of a daydreamer as a child and began writing stories at the age of six. After leaving Exeter University, where she read French and Classics, she started work as a teacher but daydreamed about becoming a writer. One day, stuck on a delayed train for four hours between Manchester and London, she dreamt up a boy called Harry Potter. That was in 1990. It took her six years to write the book.
(See "J.K. Rowling" mini-bio at www.imbd.com, see also official web site www.jkrowling.com).
What is not mentioned is that Rowling claims to have received her inspiration for Harry Potter from an other worldly source. Rowling, during that train ride in 1990, has stated hoe the character of Potter came to her: "I was staring out the window and the idea of Harry Potter just came. He appeared in my mind's eye fully formed." (See Reuters, "Harry Potter Just Strolled into My Head" 7/17/00) She also alleges to hear in her head the conversations she writes: "Dialogue just comes to me as if I'm overhearing a conversation."
(See http://www.januarymagazine.com/profiles/jkrowling.html)
With a total of seven (7) books in the series, it began with Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone (hereinafter HP-1). The books that followed in order are:
- Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (1998) (HP-2)
- Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (1999) (HP-3)
- Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2000) (HP-4)
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2003) (HP-5)
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince(2005) (HP-6)
[The seventh and final book was released in 2007, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, I will not touch upon that particular book directly, as it was published after my research---Introibo]
Briefly summed up: Harry Potter is a boy who learns on his eleventh birthday that he is the orphaned son of two powerful witches (or "wizards") and possesses unique magical powers of his own.[Those who are not witches are called "muggles"]. He is summoned from his life as an unwanted child to become a student at Hogwarts, an English boarding school for wizards. There, he meets several friends who become his closest allies and help him discover the truth about his parents' mysterious deaths. (Synopsis from Tribune Media Service).
So why is Harry Potter a bad character? The author bases Potter upon the teachings of Wicca. Even if someone were to disbelieve witchcraft, or deny witchcraft is really bad, the fact remains that Wicca teaches moral relativism. This relativism comes out throughout the series of books in the actions of the characters. Relativism and its relationship to Wicca, Rowling, and her characters will be demonstrated below.
It's All Relative?
Moral Relativism is not one doctrine, but rather can be classified into two (2) distinct and broad theses, both of which deny an external, unchanging Moral Norm. I will now present a short description of each thesis immediately followed by the reasons they are wrong, even apart from Divine Revelation.- Cultural/Normative Relativism is the teaching which holds that a person must behave in accordance with the accepted norms that have evolved in his/her society. It is an observed and recorded fact that cultures disagree over what is right and wrong, even when the terms in dispute are clearly defined and accepted by both groups of people. This proves that moral codes are mere social conventions invented by people. What is good for one culture might be considered bad by another. To be moral simply means to act in accordance with one’s society. Even the U.S. Supreme Court speaks of a "relevant community" for determining what constitutes "obscenity." (See Miller v. California 413 U.S. 15 [1973]). In Miller, the Court says to look towards the "contemporary community standards" and rejects attempting even a "national standard" for determining what materials shall be deemed "obscene."
Refutation: First, cultural relativism is descriptive, not prescriptive. It merely describes the way things are factually, without reference as to why things ought to be a certain way. Many disagreements are really factual, not moral. In the battle over abortion, the pro-abortionists never concede the unborn child is human. That would put them in a position of advocating for the killing of innocent babies, which everyone understands to be wrong. Instead they de-humanize the pre-born into mere "cells" and make the issue about "choice." Even the evil Justice Harry Blackmun, who authored the infamous majority opinion in Roe v. Wade (legalizing abortion in the United States, 1/22/73), admitted in his very opinion that if the fetus was a person abortion could not be made legal. This proves that many underlying moral precepts are shared by all humans irrespective of society. As another example, no culture has ever valued cowardice in battle.
Second, it does not follow from the premises of the thesis that no moral code is correct or can be known by people. Different cultures have disagreed in the past as to the shape of the Earth, but it does not follow that no one can ever know the correct shape of the world.
Third, the Supreme Court has done nothing to clarify moral judgments. Miller can easily be attacked for obfuscating the issue. Why is any given "relevant community" correct in its ethical assessments? If there is no external Moral Norm, how could the Nuremberg Trials condemn Nazis for following the moral dictates of their relevant community? It might also be asked where, precisely, we find the apposite community. People hold simultaneous membership in several communities, each with differing moral codes. In New York City, one could belong to his/her family, extended family, social club, place of employment, religion, and New York State. Which one is the "relevant community?"
Fourth, normative relativism suffers from what has been deemed the "Reformer’s Dilemma." If cultural/normative relativism is true, then a reformer who wishes to correct a perceived injustice becomes a logical impossibility. The reformer, such as a Martin Luther King Jr. or Gandhi, must stand outside the society’s moral code and pronounce some feature of it to be wrong. However, if you are moral if and only if you conform to society’s standards, the reformer is immoral by definition and there is no allowance for any substantial change to practices like apartheid. (See "Sociological Approaches to Ethics: Cultural Relativism" at http://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil220/relativism.html).
Fifth, there are at least two logical inconsistencies with normative relativism. Suppose Society X believes that killing deformed babies is immoral, but Society Y thinks it’s moral to do so. How should a member of Society X view the killing of deformed babies in Society Y? According to the moral code of Society X, he should condemn the acts as murder, but if the member of Society Y can only be ethical by following the code of his own community, how can you condemn that person for being moral by his society’s standards? The implication is that you can never condemn the acts of another relevant community. The logical extension is that the U.S. had no right to condemn the acts of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, and the North had no right to condemn slavery in the Confederacy. Lastly, cultural/normative relativism violates the Law of Non-Contradiction: To assert that "All morality is relative" (to culture or in general), you’ve just made an absolute statement that applies to all people in all cultures! How can you deny the existence and/or ability to know moral oughts, and then pronounce that we ought to do/abide by the standards of our relevant community? This line of thought is self-refuting.
- Conceptual Relativism holds that societies can differ not merely in the judgment of right and wrong, but when Society X says, "Act Z is wrong;" this is a manifestation of the complete idea that "Act Z is wrong for Society X." In reality, there is no such property as good or evil; rather goodness is a function or relation between an action and society. The very meaning of "right and wrong" is relative to any given society.
Refutation: Conceptual relativism is more radical than normative relativism insofar as the very meanings of moral terms of appraisal are themselves relative. At the heart of this theory is a pragmatic epistemology (epistemology is the study of how we know what we know) which doubts that we can ever attain truth, therefore what works is what is true. Hence, what works for one set of people might not work for another. This form of relativism is open to the same defeaters leveled at normative relativism above.
There is one additional objection: it makes it theoretically possible for cultures to never have a moral disagreement, and this is patently absurd. If Society X says, "What counts as murder for us, is wrong for us," and Society Y says, "What counts as murder to us, is right for us," no moral argument occurs as both could be true. The societies equivocate on the meaning of the terms murder, right, and wrong. Any theory that negates the real possibility of any cross-cultural moral disagreements is mistaken in fact because there are too many wars/conflicts fought for such differences throughout history (e.g. WWII, the U.S. Civil War, War on Terrorism, etc.).
When Harry Met Relativism
Rowling’s beliefs play a role in her books because of the practical consequences that necessarily follow. Rowling claims a "belief in God," without further elaboration. In an interview 5/14/00 for AOL the following exchange took place:
Raw3Pete asks...I have read a few articles saying Christians object to the occultic themes weaved into your stories. I was just wondering, what are your spiritual beliefs?
JKR::::deep sigh::: Well, as it happens, I believe in God, but there's no pleasing some people!”
Raw3Pete asks...I have read a few articles saying Christians object to the occultic themes weaved into your stories. I was just wondering, what are your spiritual beliefs?
JKR::::deep sigh::: Well, as it happens, I believe in God, but there's no pleasing some people!”
For many years she had delved into witchcraft as a hobby of sorts. Ian Potter, and his sister Vicky (childhood friends of Rowling), recount that she always loved dressing up as a witch and making pretend potions. (See interview of 7/16/02 at telegraph.co.uk). Further proof of the influence of Wicca in Rowling’s life:
1. Although not an actual practitioner of the Wicca (aka "The Craft"), she openly claims, "I know quite a lot about it."
2. Believes the number seven is "a magical number."
3. Has incredible knowledge and use of all things occult. (See https://www.livescience.com/64427-harry-potter-history-of-magic-photos.html)
3. Has incredible knowledge and use of all things occult. (See https://www.livescience.com/64427-harry-potter-history-of-magic-photos.html)
4. Uses an anagram for Madame Blavatsky (founder of the occult religious system known as “Theosophy” which shares many Wiccan beliefs) in HP-3. Rowling’s character, Cassandra Vablatsky is the author of a book on divination called Unfogging the Future.
5. Whenever asked if she believes in Wicca, Rowling will never explicitly say "no," and leaves the distinct idea that she does indeed give credence to some form of "magick." (Spelled with a “k” at the end, practitioners of the Craft distinguish their belief in the ability to direct reality for their own goals—“magick”—from sleight-of-hand "magic" tricks; See e.g., Elizabeth Schafer, Exploring Harry Potter (Osprey, FL: Beachem Publishing; 2000).
Wicca is relativistic. Wiccan influence in Rowling’s life has gone into her writings, thus Harry Potter is not suitable reading for children..
It remains to be shown: (a) that Wicca is relativistic in its moral teachings, and (b) Harry Potter demonstrates this relativism.
Bubble, Bubble, Wicca Spells Moral Trouble
When someone hears the word "witch" scenes of an ugly hag riding a broomstick most likely comes to mind. In reality, a practitioner of Wicca is likely to be seen as a nature-worshiping, peace-loving person, who believes in a "live-and let-live" mentality. Wicca is:
- anti-authoritarian: they don't like rules in general.
- anti-dogmatic: they have a general belief system that each adherent is free to adopt wholly or partially.
- the "Wiccan Rede" or "Pagan Ethic," which states "If you harm none, do as thou please." There is no one correct set of ethics. Each witch decides for himself /herself what is right and wrong and what constitutes "harm" to another.
They believe in "tolerance," towards all beliefs, which is seen as a virtue because all beliefs "contain some good." (sounds like the Vatican II document Lumen Gentium). Most interestingly, the "Thirteen Principles of Wiccan Belief," adopted in 1974 by the Council of American Witches states:
- We seek to live in harmony with Nature, in ecological balance offering fulfillment to life and consciousness within an evolutionary concept. (See Francis' "encyclical" Laudato si).
- We value sex as pleasure, as the symbol and embodiment of life, and as one of the sources of energies used in magickal practice and religious worship (Therefore homosexuality, bisexuality, and all perversions are encouraged).
- Our only animosity towards Christianity, or toward any other religion or philosophy of life, is to the extent that its institutions have claimed to be "the only way," and have sought to deny freedom to others and to suppress other ways of religious practice and belief.(Emphasis mine; the hatred they bear for the One True Church should be apparent, and it should be equally obvious why they like the Vatican II sect which eschews dogma for ecumenism).
(See https://www.learnreligions.com/american-council-of-witches-2562880).
Under the rede, Wiccans adhere to a completely subjective morality based on self-interest. An act is good as long as the witch subjectively believes that "I’m not hurting anyone." This subjective, relativistic moral code opens the door to all kinds of behaviors, ranging from sexual promiscuity, to drug/alcohol abuse, to prostitution, to lying and cheating— as long as he/she subjectively feels no one is really being hurt.
(Not So) Wild About Harry
The Harry Potter series is full of subjective, situational ethics where what is “right” is really what is expedient to Harry. In HP-1, Harry begins breaking rules as soon as he arrives. We are also informed in HP-3 that his father, James Potter, "didn’t set much store by rules." (HP-3; pg. 284) Harry consistently lies, cheats, and breaks rules, all with minimal—if any—consequences. Sometimes he is actually rewarded! The only difference between Harry and his enemy, Voldemort, is one of degree, not kind.
Harry Potter comes off as a "hero," not because he is good, but because he is less evil than Voldemort. It’s really just a matter of which rules to break, what lies to tell to whom, and who commits the crime. Sure, there are times when Harry and his pals exhibit courage, loyalty, etc., but so does Voldemort! Power is good or bad merely because of who uses it. Everything is therefore reduced to but one consideration: self-interest.
Some examples of characters behaving badly:
Harry Potter: Disobedient (HP-1, pgs. 148-150), Liar (HP-2, pg.128, and 209), thief (HP2-pgs. 186-188), cheater (HP-4, pgs. 324-329)
Hagrid: Law Breaker: (HP-1pgs. 230-233), Drunkard (HP-1, pgs. 202-203)
Mr. Weasley: Keeps secrets from his wife (HP-2, pg. 66), Uses Profanity (HP-4, pg. 43)
The list could go on and on with all the characters from the book--not just the ones labeled "evil." I want to be clear that in no instance was something done (e.g., steal) in order to save someone's life or avert a disaster in order to make such acts seem acceptable. It was done out of mere convenience and self-interest.
Some examples of characters behaving badly:
Harry Potter: Disobedient (HP-1, pgs. 148-150), Liar (HP-2, pg.128, and 209), thief (HP2-pgs. 186-188), cheater (HP-4, pgs. 324-329)
Hagrid: Law Breaker: (HP-1pgs. 230-233), Drunkard (HP-1, pgs. 202-203)
Mr. Weasley: Keeps secrets from his wife (HP-2, pg. 66), Uses Profanity (HP-4, pg. 43)
The list could go on and on with all the characters from the book--not just the ones labeled "evil." I want to be clear that in no instance was something done (e.g., steal) in order to save someone's life or avert a disaster in order to make such acts seem acceptable. It was done out of mere convenience and self-interest.
As one writer puts it:
Obedience, to Harry Potter, is not ‘obeying one's lawful superiors.’ Rather, it is more along the lines of ‘making it look like you're not doing anything wrong.’ Usually Harry and/or his friends are rewarded for disobeying a professor or a school rule, not reprimanded. If they are reprimanded, it is usually by the professor that is law-abiding, and therefore "out to get them." Of course, this is also the professor that is most often disobeyed, lied to, and stolen from. The reason for this is simple. If you don't like a superior, or if he is unfair to you, your obligation to obey him vanishes. We see this time and again. Harry does not have to obey his aunt and uncle because they are mean to him. He does not have to obey Professor Snape, because Snape hates him. He does not have to obey the prefect, Percy Weasley, because he is just Ron's nerdy older brother.
Courage, according to Harry Potter and friends, means looking for danger, usually after being told not to do so. Loyalty is breaking the rules for another. Justice means you can get away with anything if you're famous, and temperance is that virtue whereby a person gets drunk only when he's really happy or really depressed.
(See "Harry Potter" by Andrea M. Stoltz published in the September 2001 issue of The Angelus. While I, needless to say, disagree with the R&R position, Mrs. Stoltz' article was spot on regarding these books).
What lessons could a child learn from Harry Potter?
What lessons could a child learn from Harry Potter?
(1) Laws are only to be obeyed if and until they serve your self-interest.
(2) The morality of an act depends solely on the circumstances.
(3) The end justifies the means.
(N.B. On Rowling's website, she has given free licence for teachers to use her books during the COVID-19 pandemic. She wants to imbue as many as she can with her occult and relativistic writings).
JK Rowling and other ethical relativists acknowledge no moral absolutes. Look at some recent "heroes:" Walter White from the show Breaking Bad wants the audience to be sympathetic to a teacher turned meth dealer and murderer. On Dexter, we are supposed to root for a serial killer who kills other serial killers. These are shown to be "good" because (like Harry Potter) they are the lesser of two evils (their opponents). To such people there can only be one correct response: "The lesser of two evils is still evil."
(N.B. On Rowling's website, she has given free licence for teachers to use her books during the COVID-19 pandemic. She wants to imbue as many as she can with her occult and relativistic writings).
Conclusion
We must be careful as to what we (and especially children) read. The errors and evils in this time of the Great Apostasy come not only from the rotten rock/pop/rap music, television shows, and movies. It is in popular books and preached in Vatican II sect churches. What we believe has a direct impact on what we do. It's a truism that "What goes into a mind comes out in a life."JK Rowling and other ethical relativists acknowledge no moral absolutes. Look at some recent "heroes:" Walter White from the show Breaking Bad wants the audience to be sympathetic to a teacher turned meth dealer and murderer. On Dexter, we are supposed to root for a serial killer who kills other serial killers. These are shown to be "good" because (like Harry Potter) they are the lesser of two evils (their opponents). To such people there can only be one correct response: "The lesser of two evils is still evil."
Quick question on the last sentence of the post Introibo. In regards to politics, I have always heard we should vote for the "lesser of two evils", so for instance President Trump is good in a lot of ways but also is immoral in many others(like his promotion and defense of LGBTQVJDIRG345). How should we approach the political landscape these days in your opinion, are their sound Catholic principles we can follow?
ReplyDeleteThey way I've heard it phrased is not "vote for the lesser of two evils", but rather "vote for whomever will accomplish the most good."
DeleteEven if it doesn't actually change anything in the practical order, it actually means quite a bit in the moral order, and it also gets you out of the mental habit of categorizing decisions in terms of "which one is the least evil", which can lead to a habit of compromise if indulged too much.
Sincerely,
A Simple Man
"Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter." Isaiah 5:20
DeleteJoAnn
David, Simple Man, Joann,
DeleteAccording to Theologians McHugh and Callan, “it is lawful to vote for an unworthy candidate when this is necessary to prevent a greater evil, as when the opposing candidate is much worse.” (See “Moral Theology” 2:620).
However, these same theologians teach on the very next page that good people have an obligation to seek office. My personal opinion is that if we don’t vote for what we believe in we will never get what we want. I will never vote for pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, and pro-sodomite candidates. I write in my name. If the write-ins became significant the parties would have to reconsider whom they nominate.
God Bless ,
—-Introibo
This article recalls to mind of 2018 when this happened: https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/c046_Wizards.htm
ReplyDeleteVatican II's new church is relativism in action as seen in the link.
Lee
Lee,
DeleteOn point as usual!
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Bergoglio is Potter-style relativism in a white cassock. It's all there, except for the 'magick'. On second thought, if you caught his "disappearing" act, videoed after the blessing he gave at the balcony window the other day, you may be tempted to believe he really is a dabbler in the magick arts. LOL.
ReplyDeleteJannie
Jannie,
DeleteIn all seriousness, Bergoglio does dabble in evil forces! See my post:
http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2017/12/francis-and-dark-side-of-force.html?m=1
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Beside being besieged by relativism, I have been bombarded by the "tolerance movement". One can't express displeasure or unacceptable behavior
ReplyDeletewithout being accused of being labeled "intolerant" . Is the "tolerance movement" apart of relativism, or is it a separate movement designed to get the masses to accept the unacceptable?
JoAnn
JoAnn,
DeleteThey're both related in terms of subject matter, but they differ in terms of method and underlying beliefs.
The modern Relativists argue on a more fundamental level, that we essentially cannot know the truth on an objective level (and if they do allow for some form of truth, they tend not to go beyond anything which can be empirically observed, which means morals, ethics, metaphysics, and culture - for example - have no inherent truth values in and of themselves. As such, a moral Relativist could not say that Nazism is inherently evil as an ideology).
The Tolerance jihadists, on the other hand, tend to come from an angle tied to leftwing political correctness, wherein anything one says or does must be filtered through that lens. Anything beyond that is deemed "hateful."
Essentially, the Tolerance movement can't really profess to be relativists, because they claim (through action, if nothing else) that traditional Christian values are inherently bigoted or hateful (which a true moral relativist would not say).
Sincerely,
A Simple Man
It is the inherent operational error of all relativist systems and philosophies. Another version goes something like this, “the only dogma is that there is no dogma.” It is an internal contradiction which has only one ultimate conclusion, tyranny. Since anything can eventually be justified, anything can be acceptable. This is modernism in a nutshell and why it was forcefully condemned (until 1958 of course.)
DeleteSimple Man and Tom,
DeleteGood points!
God Bless,
—-Introibo
The Tolerance movement seems just like the old Temperance movement. It says "I don't, so neither can you"; or "I do, so you must, too".
DeleteA visit to an internet advice column com-board shows how much public opinion has gotten degraded by tolerance. Moral-relativist "counselors" and experts have been elevated and God demoted.
The acceptance and promotion of bad reasoning in order to rationalize some want, is what the tolerance movement is about. It is checking your brain at the door. It is to repudiate one's God given ability to think clearly and draw proper conclusions and then act accordingly, based on His laws.
God forbid, but He truly will leave us to be confounded if we turn our backs on Him to follow our own base interests.
Jannie
Jannie,
DeleteIn a nutshell, the Tolerance movement desires cognitive automation via buzzwords (racist, sexist, bigot, transphobe, etcetera) instead of actual thinking.
They are the equivalent of Humpty Dumpty when it comes to their attempts at asserting control over language itself:
xxxx
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master — that’s all."
xxxx
Sincerely,
A Simple Man
Jannie,
DeleteSimple Man said it all!
—-Introibo
11. "For this mother and teacher of all the churches has always preserved entire and unharmed the faith entrusted to it by Christ the Lord. Furthermore, it has taught it to the faithful, showing all men truth and the path of salvation. Since all priesthood originates in this church, the entire substance of the Christian religion resides there also. The leadership of the Apostolic See has always been active, and therefore because of its preeminent authority, the whole Church must agree with it. The faithful who live in every place constitute the whole Church. Whoever does not gather with this Church scatters... 15. "Also perverse is the shocking theory that it makes no difference to which religion one belongs, a theory which is greatly at variance even with reason. By means of this theory, those crafty men remove all distinction between virtue and vice, truth and error, honorable and vile action. They pretend that men can gain eternal salvation by the practice of any religion, as if there could ever be any sharing between justice and iniquity, any collaboration between light and darkness, or any agreement between Christ and Belial." Pope Pius IX Qui Pluribus 1846
ReplyDeletebut Vatican II says...
4."On the other hand, Catholics must gladly acknowledge and esteem the truly Christian endowments from our common heritage which are to be found among our separated brethren. It is right and salutary to recognize the riches of Christ and virtuous works in the lives of others who are bearing witness to Christ, sometimes even to the shedding of their blood. For God is always wonderful in His works and worthy of all praise. Nor should we forget that anything wrought by the grace of the Holy Spirit in the hearts of our separated brethren can be a help to our own edification. Whatever is truly Christian is never contrary to what genuinely belongs to the faith; indeed, it can always bring a deeper realization of the mystery of Christ and the Church." DECREE ON ECUMENISM UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO
The Catholic Church = intolerant of every error/heresy and evil and has nothing to do with it.
Vatican II church = tolerant of every error/heresy and evil while at the same time embracing it.
Lee
Lee,
DeleteTruth vs. phony “tolerance”!
—-Introibo
"Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left the weightier things of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone. [24] Blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel. [25] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness." Matthew 23:23-26
ReplyDeleteThe above strong words spoken by Jesus are hardly tolerant of an intolerant situation.
JoAnn
Joann,
DeleteSo true!
—-Introibo
Excellent excellent post, thank you very much!!!!
ReplyDelete@anon12:32
DeleteYou’re welcome my friend! Comments like yours keep me writing!
God Bless,
—-Introibo
The discussion of moral relativism brings to mind a recent matter thundering across the traditional Catholic blogosphere: Church Militant's recent investigative report on their cover-up of alleged sexual abusers going back many years (and this report includes correspondence and direct witness testimony, so it is not a matter of mere allegation).
ReplyDeleteWhat do the other readers think of this turn of events (beyond obvious horror if what has been alleged did occur)? How will this impact others' view of traditionalists in general?
Sincerely,
A Simple Man
Simple Man,
DeleteCould you please link to the story and clarify what you mean—I’m not certain of the story (drowning in work at home).
Thank you!
—-Introibo
Introibo,
DeleteN.O.W. comments on the original report here: https://novusordowatch.org/2020/04/sex-abuse-coverup-by-sspx-clergy/
I would highly recommend reading the transcript of the Church Militant report that they link to (if only because it's an example of actual investigative journalism, even if the subject matter is rather depressing).
Sincerely,
A Simple Man
Simple Man,
DeleteI am not surprised by the horrific report. SSPX always wanted to emulate the Vatican II sect to one degree or another. They allow “priests” from the sect to now join without being validly ordained.
The problem of perverts is not new. My spiritual father, Fr Gommar DePauw, JCD, was in charge of admissions to Mt St Mary’s Seminary for the Archdiocese of Baltimore from 1955-1962. He told me he would reject more than 80% of all applicants based on the slightest hint of Modernism or perversity. The seminary was still full! When Archbishop Keough died in December of 1961 and replaced by the despicable Modernist Lawrence Sheehan, the first thing he did was to pull out Fr DePauw and replace him with a priest in his 20s (ordained less than three years), who was “pastoral” towards those with “same-sex attraction.” The seminary in Baltimore is now called “The Pink Palace.”
I knew someone who applied for admission to SSPX seminary in Ridgefield, Connecticut back circa 1986. Richard Williamson, was rector, and not yet a bishop.
The man had serious medical issues and didn’t think he’d be accepted. Upon his arrival, he asked Fr Williamson about what he would do in place of manual labor (expected of first year seminarians). Williamson reacted with shock. “Why do you need to be excused?” He told him, “I sent you all my medical information when I applied.”
Williamson actually said, “You can’t expect me to read every application!” He asked what would happen if he needed hospitalization. Williamson basically told him not to worry and “get more into God.” The man left the next day.
They don’t vet their candidates and when sodomites try to fill the ranks, they do what their “pope’s” sect does. If they cannot understand faith, they will not understand morality.
The SSPV is very careful as to whom they take in, and I personally believe they would blow the whistle on those who would (God forbid) do something wrong.
I never attack the Vatican II sect for the scandal itself, but for what they did to promote it. I reject V2 on theological grounds. Likewise for SSPX. Let’s not forget Christ showed us that corrupt clergy would always exist by choosing Judas as an Apostle.
Let’s hope the SSPX wakes up on several levels and stops making the remnant Church seem as corrupt as the V2 sect.
Let anyone else feel free to comment.
—-Introibo
I agree, Intro.
DeleteThe NOW moderator said much the same at the link ASM provided above. It is a good read.
Jannie
To My Readers,
DeleteIn the interest of fairness, below is the link to the SSPX response to Church Militant.
https://sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/us-district-responds-church-militant-57641
—-Introibo
I read Church Militant occasionally and I have read their reporting going back months ago concerning the SSPX and abuse. I tend to take Church Militant and alot of their reporting with a "grain of salt", especially concerning the SSPX or any other Traditionalists. First and foremost is the fact that Michael Voris and Church Militant are conservative Novus Ordos. Second, is the fact that although the SSPX has flirted with joining the Novus Ordo, they have not done so. Plus, with the history of the SSPX with Bishop Leveber and Church Militant being such strong Novus Ordos, it is not hard to ascertain that Church Militant has an axe to grind. I tend to err on the side of caution with believing Church Militant's reporting in regard to the SSPX, or any other Traditionalists. Just my 2 cents.
DeleteJoAnn
Joann,
DeleteAll good points. Mr. Voris is also an admitted “former homosexual.”
—-Introibo
Introibo,
DeleteAccording to the Novus Ordo a homosexual is either celibate or practicing. Therefore, there is no "former homosexuality". I contend that perhaps non-practicing homosexuals are alot like some former smokers or drinkers who begrudgingly gave up their sin and therefore, tend to go after those who are still practicing the sin they reluctantly gave up. Just a thought.
JoAnn
Although I do not endorse "Tradition in Action", I wish to draw attention to the four articles that they have published, so far, on this sad business - starting with:
Deletehttps://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f177_Homo_1.htm
I see that "Church Militant" have replied to the SSPX response. Regardless of what we think of CM - and I strongly disagree with their theological position - let the facts speak for themselves.
"In medio stat veritas". The truth stands in the middle.
DeleteJoAnn
Joann and Leo,
DeleteI definitely believe there was wrongdoing by SSPX and I stated my reasons above. I definitely think there are those who hate anything traditional and will try to make it look worse, and apologists for SSPX who will try to make it look better. So, yes, the truth lies in the middle—and that middle ground does not bode well for SSPX. They must break from Modernist Rome and Bergoglio, and place TIGHT REIGNS on admissions. Anyone who breaks the law must be immediately removed and punished without exception.
That’s the only way to clean house and keep it that way.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Sedevacantists taking Michael Voris' side over the SSPX, imagine that!! I guess the one common denominator between Michael Voris' and Sedevacantists is their dislike of the SSPX!!
Delete@anon8:29
DeleteThis is not about “taking sides” it’s about doing what's morally correct. The manifest weight of the credible evidence shows there was abuse and it wasn’t handled properly by the SSPX. They have to take their lumps for it and hopefully wake up. This is in no way an endorsement of former sodomite Michael Voris.
When someone does something wrong it must be pointed out and condemned. Period.
—-Introibo
What about the CMRI and their pervs? I suppose you have heard nothing about them.
DeleteAnon1:33
DeleteNo. I have not seen the credible evidence. Without question it was a cult before they reformed. I don’t know of any molestation and cover-up accusations with strong evidence.
—-Introibo
I am sure you have heard of the below linked book by an ex-nun of the CMRI. Evidently, you do not find the ex-nun's accounting of events at the CMRI as being credible. Why not?
Deletehttps://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Blackmail-Journey-Through-Catholic/dp/0692331972
@anon3:50,
DeleteI fully admitted that at the beginning (under Schuckhardt)CMRI was a cult. THAT is the organization to which she belonged. Furthermore, the author, Sherri Shettler, makes comments such as "Despite all that had happened in the convent, I felt grateful for all the beautiful things it bought into my life." Hardly the words of someone who was repeatedly molested as a child in the Vatican II sect, or abused like the Feeneyites in the 1950s-1960s. I know two men who are involved with the CMRI and love the clergy. The late Michael Cain of DailyCatholic.org was a member and also loved the clergy.
What happened at SSPX was abuse of minors and bungled in reporting (to say the least). The CMRI changed. Time for SSPX to do the same morally and theologically.
---Introibo
I have personal knowledge from experience with a CMRI Priest of things not being so above board as you would like to believe. You have nothing more than anecdotal conjecture that the CMRI are morally upright. Just because the CMRI are Sedes does not automatically give them an "all clear" because so and so attends their Mass, or so and so says so. I am sure you don't want to believe what I have to say is true, so why should I believe you because you say they are fine? I wonder why Michael Voris hasn't delved into the CMRI, just the SSPX? I am sure if Mr. Voris dug deep enough he would come across some skeletons. Then, again the CMRI aren't in negotiations with Rome, Mr. Voris' Novus Ordo home.
Delete@anon4:54
DeleteI will say this:
1. In committing crimes, such as molestation and failure to report, everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence. This is a CATHOLIC concept in civil law. What most people don’t realize is that it was introduced in France by my Patron Saint, King St Louis IX of France.
2. I don’t need ANY evidence to prove the CMRI clergy innocent. Their detractors need to prove them guilty. They need more than anecdotal evidence.
3. SSPX has admitted both wrongdoing and failure to report when confronted with the evidence. There is no doubt as to their guilt.
4. If the same is done to the CMRI as it stands TODAY (not under Schuckhardt), I will condemn them exactly in the same way I now do the SSPX.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Bp. Sanborn comments on the SSPX scandals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm09CEa9JWo&feature=youtu.be
ReplyDeleteLee
Lee,
DeleteThank you for the information!
—-Introibo
The Novus Ordo and all their adherents who support them need to get their house in order before they go about seeking the ruin of others As far as I am concerned anyone who supports the Novus Ordo monetarily or who sit in their pews are just as guilty as the pedophile perpetrators. How the NO adherents can then go about throwing allegations around concerning others to try to bring them down to their level is beyond me. They should be doing penance and petitioning God for forgiveness for being complicit in the support of the NO pedophile Priests. Just my 2 cents.
DeleteJoAnn
Joann,
DeleteTrue. If the V2 sect members want justice to be done they need to hit them in the wallet. Unfortunately, most don’t care.
—-Introibo
Is it likely that in the last days there will be no Priests to administer sacraments?
ReplyDelete@anon2:50
DeleteProbably for most there will be no sacraments.
—-Introibo
I'd agree Introibo.
DeleteThe prophet Daniel says the devil will be given power over the "continual sacrifice."
But the Catechism of St. Pius X teaches that the priesthood will last to the end of time.
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteSome Traditionalists have no other option but to attend the SSPX. What are they supposed to do in such a case, go without sacraments because of allegations made by Michael Voris and Church Militant? Also, what about the scandals that came out about St. Gertrude the Great in Ohio? I believe they involved a school and children?
Thanks.
JoAnn
Joann,
DeleteIf there is a legitimate scandal, you stop donating and let them know why. They wouldn’t be quick to push someone out and make them a “martyr” for exposing evil. If you see genuine reforms, congratulate them and support them when you attend Mass.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
JoAnn,
DeleteFor the sake of fairness, Fr. Cekada's account regarding the Ohio events mentioned can be read here: http://www.fathercekada.com/2009/11/23/school-dazed/
Sincerely,
A Simple Man
A Simple Man,
DeleteThanks for the link. I never read much about what occurred at SGG or followed it.
JoAnn
Simple Man,
DeleteThank you. It is only fair to Fr. Cekada. Many of his detractors are motivated by personal animus, and some outright lie.
---Introibo
I'd like to note that the SSPV really got a lot of parishoners thanks to the useless fights
Deletein Ohio. There's Bp. Dolan and Bp. Ramolla having parallel churches. There's Bp. Ramolla's Athanasius Seminary opposing Bp. Pivarunas' seminary. There are useless blogs like Pistrina, Lay pulpit, and CMRI Watch, who are busy attacking prelates. Relative to them, the SSPV's really peaceful. So many parishoners just exited the fight amoung the Thuc-line prelates and just attended SSPV chapels.
Quam Oblationem,
DeleteYes. Very sad. I wrote more than one post against the calumniating blogs Pistrina Liturgica and Lay Pulpit. They are both (thankfully) now defunct.
—-Introibo
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteI suppose your fifth point alone suffices to disprove normative relativism. I had actually been entertaining a similar line of thought but always ended up confused because I wasn't sure whether or not to regard the statement "All morality (i.e. moral statements) is relative" as a moral statement itself, but I suppose it would be a moral statement since it would dictate the actions of people it's applied to (it would tell them to act in accordance with their society) and moral statements dictate an individual's actions.
I'd also add that by eliminating all intrinsic goods and evils, the "morals" of societies aren't even binding, and it would logically conclude in the idea that as long as an action is convenient for you, even if society (in a relativist's universe) regards it as wrong, if you can get away with it there's no reason why you shouldn't do it.
I had a conversation with a friend of mine who was relativist and I proposed the following example:
Suppose you're in the middle ages, and you had the opportunity to kill your brother, who was a duke and had no children yet, in a fashion such that no one would be able to conclude it was you. By killing your brother, as he had no children, you would almost certainly take over his position, as no one could link the murder to you, and you'd become wealthier. What reason, based on your moral system (to the relativist), would you have not to kill your brother?
If the relativist was consistent, he'd conclude that murder is totally permissible if it's beneficial and you can get away with it, regardless of who you're murdering. We could establish similar scenarios for other actions such as rape, or even on the other end of the spectrum like helping an old lady cross the street) and the relativist system would just collapse as it doesn't account for nearly as much as it's made out to account for, nor does it explain *why* or *how* certain moral statements came to be. Any sane person would understand that the conclusions of such a moral system are absurd and would never derive any ideas from it. Yet I find it so unfortunate that so many idiocies are deeply rooted in relativism, such as religious liberty, and they are widely accepted as a result of the everyday man's failure to acknowledge the principles behind them and take them to their logical conclusions.
God bless.
Dapouf
DeleteGood insight!
—-Introibo