Personally, I don't think Traditionalists should concern themselves over private revelations. To make the terminology clear, "private revelation" has nothing to do with the number of persons that claim to have seen and/or experienced something. "Public Revelation" refers to the Divine Deposit of Revelation given to the Church for all human beings to believe, so that they may be saved. Public Revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle, St. John, in 100 AD. Private revelation refers to all communication by God (directly or indirectly) with humans after Public Revelation ended. I can't stress strongly enough that no private revelation, including those deemed "worthy of belief" by the Church, need to be accepted by Catholics. You can reject any or all Church-approved apparitions and you would not be a heretic, nor would you commit a sin.
This does not mean that private revelations are "useless." Obviously, if the Church approves something as worthy of belief, we can believe it without fear of sinning against faith or morals. God communicates to us for a reason. However, I refuse to get drawn into arguments over what a particular apparition or a particular revelation "really means." Moreover, it is by studying the approved theologians that we can learn the One True Faith and make our Catholic way the best we can through these most difficult times.
To be certain, I believe in approved apparitions without making them the focus point of faith. I have devotion to Our Lady of Hope and Our Lady of Fatima. I wear the Five-fold Scapular, pray the Rosary daily, insert the "Fatima Prayer" at the end of each Rosary decade, and try to attend Mass every First Saturday of the month. These are great Catholic devotions all Traditionalists should try to maintain. I do not view "Consecrating Russia" as some panacea to the Great Apostasy. Nor will I quibble over specific declarations Our Lady is supposed to have said.
There are other dangers involved with even approved apparitions. Satan will do all he can to stymie the genuine good that comes from authentic apparitions. This post will focus on the false apparitions which followed two of the true apparitions. Let this serve as a warning to all against trying to find "true meanings" of apparitions with no Magisterial guide in this time of Great Apostasy.
Causes of False Apparitions
(The following information is condensed from theologians Farges, Mystical Phenomena, [1926], and theologian Poulain, The Grace of Interior Prayer, [1901], which had the approbation of no one less than Pope St. Pius X---Introibo).
There are five principle causes for individuals having false apparitions and visions. It should be noted that among adults visions and apparitions are always very rare, and therefore must always seem suspect and attributable to illusion or Satan, unless there is strong proof to the contrary. Mostly Mary and/or her Divine Son appear to innocent children. Adults must be of extraordinary holiness as was the case with Our Lord appearing with His Sacred Heart to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque.
Thus we must conclude that genuine apparitions or visions are extremely rare. This is further proven by the fact that of the countless millions of reported apparitions of Mary, there are only only seventeen (17) apparitions of Mary that have explicit or implicit Church approval. Below are the five principle causes for false apparitions (something real and external to the one who sees it) and visions (wherein God produces a concept or image without there necessarily being anything external to the viewer).
1. Hallucinations.
With the more “exterior” Marian apparitions it seems that the main dangers are illusion and hallucination. It would be a case of illusion if the visionary thought that a physical object was acting in an apparition-like manner, as in the case of those who think they have seen statues of Mary moving.
Hallucinations can thus be reckoned as pathological occurrences in which an inward image is falsely projected by the mind but regarded as real. Normally the senses receive outward stimulations and pass these to the brain where they are processed. But in certain abnormal and morbid states this process is reversed and images arising in the brain, for whatever reason, are projected outwardly and perceived by the individual as real objects.
Thus people suffering from hallucinations can believe they are seeing things which are not real, or hearing imaginary voices, and so on. It is something like the difference between a camera and a slide projector. The camera captures an image on the film, through its lens, of an external object, whereas the slide projector outwardly projects an image from the photographic slide onto a screen.
Thus hallucinations and normal vision are complete opposites. This explains how hypnotists are able to deceive their subjects into believing that they are really seeing imaginary objects. They are able to influence the imagination such that it produces images, sounds, smells, etc., which are felt to be real by the subject. This also indicates that hallucinations can be governed by the will, either that of the individual, or someone else, such as a hypnotist.
And if the wills of individuals can be influenced by other people to produce hallucinatory states then that principle also extends to the devil. However, it always needs to be borne in mind that hallucinations can also be produced artificially by drugs, excessive emotional excitement, and mental illness. These are more likely causes than direct diabolical influence, and the Church cautions us against assuming the demonic until all natural causes are ruled out.
2. Illusory memories.
This is a psychological phenomenon whereby an individual recalls an event that never happened, or an actual occurrence substantially differently from the way it transpired. People with a history of trauma, or depression, are at risk for producing false memories when they are exposed to information that is related to their knowledge base.
3. Charlatans.
False claims of apparitions and visions have been inspired by motives of political or pecuniary interest, or by the desire to mystify the public by evil persons. (Such can be seen in the phony visions of the Palmar de Troya cult---Introibo).
4. Overactive Imaginations--even in true seers.
This occurs in otherwise psychologically sound people who sometimes mingle their own action with the divine revelation. However, when the temperament is badly balanced or overexcited, they may do still more: they construct an altogether false revelation. Thanks to their feverish imaginations, such persons, during the most ordinary prayer, can pronounce interior words with such distinctness that they seem to be said by someone else. This can occur with those who had a bona fide vision/apparition, or those who never had such.
5. Diabolic origin.
Satan has the power to cause false apparitions and visions. That is why recourse to the Magisterium must always be had.
False Seers at Lourdes
(The information below comes from Fr. Rene Laurentin and his voluminous works on Lourdes. Although he defected to the Vatican II sect, this work was in the 1950s---Introibo).
Our Lady of Lourdes is an approved apparition. However, a slew of other "visionaries" popped up along with St. Bernadette. All of this led to a great deal of confusion, causing some to believe in all these new “apparitions,” as well as St. Bernadette’s, while others rejected all talk of apparitions as nonsensical. It served Satan well.
One "seer," Marie Bernard, claimed to have seen three persons in the grotto at Lourdes, an old man with a white beard, a young woman and a child. She said that the man held a bunch of keys in one hand and twirled his moustache with the other! This vision was repeated, but this time, according to Marie Bernard, the figures indulged in indecent gestures.
Obviously, all this was very unhealthy, and the way events were developing is apparent from a description of another visionary, the Mayor’s servant, Marie Courrech. She struck a contemporary as completely inferior to St. Bernadette in terms of deportment and manner, and in addition, was subject to sudden twitchings and convulsive movements. Often, when she saw her visions on the other side of the Gave, she would rush forward, explaining afterwards that the vision had been calling her to the grotto. If we had not restrained her with great difficulty, she would have thrown herself into the river.
Clearly, it would have suited the devil’s purposes very well if someone had been drowned at Lourdes while trying to reach an imagined or diabolical vision. The number of visionaries, both male and female, continued to grow, and their antics persisted until the beginning of 1859. Many school children had claimed to see visions at the grotto, and witnesses described how they saw a girl of ten or eleven, shouting and screaming and claiming to have seen a vision. One young girl cried out that the “Lord” was going to recite a rosary, apparently oblivious to the fact that it was not possible that God would pray to Mary. On other occasions, visionaries claimed the power to bless rosaries.
False Seer at Beauraing
Our Lady of Beauraing was an authentic series of 33 apparitions to five children in Belgium between November 29, 1932 and January 3, 1933. The Blessed Virgin asked for sacrifice, prayer, and penance to convert sinners. The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office approved the apparitions in 1949.
In June of 1933, a 58 year old man, one Tilman Come, claimed to have been cured of illness after seeing the Blessed Virgin at the hawthorn in the convent garden at Beauraing. He alleged that Mary had said she had come to protect Belgium from the invader, which people naturally applied to Hitler, and he announced another “apparition” for June 25th, when a crowd of 50,000 turned up.
Unfortunately, his apparition of "Mary" apparently can't spell, since Come stated that on asking her name, he saw this title in golden letters on her sash: Notre-Dame de Boring, or “Our Lady of Boring.” He would go into a sort of "trance" and on this occasion he claimed that the vision had told him to organize a great pilgrimage for the Feast of the Assumption. Although 200,000 people turned up, by now the focus had shifted to people wondering about Tilman Come instead of what "Mary said," and within a year, he faded from view as it was established that he was mentally ill and not really responsible for his actions.
So although his “visions” were false, he played a part in drawing large crowds to Beauraing for nothing, and they should be a salutary reminder to those who support modern adult “visionaries” who have claimed to see Mary, Jesus, angels or saints. When adults claim such things, unless they display evident signs of sanctity, it is highly likely that they are either deceived in some sense, unbalanced, or lying. (Source: Sharkey & Debergh, Our Lady of Beauraing, [1959]).
Conclusion
The number of true apparitions and visions is few, but the number of "seers" and "visionaries" is numerous. There were false visions and seers, even around true apparitions. Read the approved theologians to learn the Faith. Don't try to find out what's "really going on in our times" according to the "true meaning" of some apparition or vision--even those approved by the Church.
Special Addendum: Movie Recommendation
Until now, the only movie to which I gave an unconditional recommendation to watch was Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ. A couple of my friends told me to watch a movie, now streaming, entitled Nefarious. It is a horror movie, and most horror movies are full of the occult and/or graphic violence. I was informed this movie had Traditional Catholic theology throughout. Intrigued, when I finished my work late at night, I rented the movie through a movie channel.
I started watching and couldn't turn my eyes away. Without giving too much away, the movie is 97 minutes in length, and it flies by. It stars Sean Patrick Flanery as a man convicted of multiple murders sitting on death row. He needs to be declared mentally competent by a psychiatrist for his scheduled execution to proceed that night. Dr. James Martin (played by Jordan Belfi) is the psychiatrist enlisted to decide his fate. The convict claims he is a demon called "Nefarious" and he made Eddie (the condemned man) commit those acts. Dr. Martin informs Nefarious that he is an atheist and will not fall for his acting crazy.
At one point Dr. Martin calls in a Vatican II sect "priest" apparently wearing a scarf or stole that is sodomite rainbow colors. Nefarious becomes upset until the "priest" informs him that demonic possession isn't real, he's just a sick man. Nefarious is no longer afraid, calling the alleged priest a "poser" (i.e., someone who pretends to be something he is not). The film is unabashedly pro-life and theologically accurate. As Nefarious says, "I know more about theology than any human being that ever existed."
Mimicking The Screwtape Letters, Nefarious refers to God as "The Enemy" and Satan as his "master below." When asked why the demons have not won against humanity, Nefarious says, "The Carpenter. We made the biggest mistake getting Him killed." Dr. Martin asks how Nefarious possessed Eddie. Nefarious then talks about Eddie's mother getting him a Ouija Board as one of the reasons he was possessed (indeed, the occult Ouija Board is an open door to demonic obsession and possession).
The film openly attacks the atheist worldview and takes shots at "woke" ideology. There was a Vatican II sect exorcist on the set when the movie was filmed, and he claimed it accurately portrays diabolical possession. Near the end of the movie, there is an appearance by Glenn Beck, an apostate who is Mormon, but the film's theology remains Traditional Catholic (Beck was validly baptized a Catholic in 1964, and joined the Mormon sect in 1999).
There were also eerie happenings during the filming. According to the Internet Movie Database (IMBD.com):
Some of the challenges of shooting [the movie] was when the federal government in Oklahoma almost shut down the project due to a strike though no grievances were expressed, electricity came down, the sound mixer died, nine car crashes occurred with the crew despite being under 100 drivers, [executive producer] Steve Deace became infected with a cyst under his arm, an on-set priest/exorcist suffered a life-threatening ruptured appendix, and the roof of one of the office buildings was ripped off in a storm.
Seems like Hell wasn't happy with this production!
The movie has been derided as "Christian propaganda." All the more reason to go watch it--you won't be disappointed! WARNING! This movie has scenes of intense violence and the nature of demonic possession makes it extremely frightening. Viewer discretion advised. Not for those under age 21.
Nor am I a great devotee of apparitions, even the approved ones. Indeed, many are false, such as those that occurred after the beginning of the Great Apostasy. The devil is very clever and could imitate Our Lord or Our Lady to deceive naive people. Jesus warned us against false messiahs and false prophets, so we must remain vigilant, for there is no longer any legitimate authority to decide on the veracity of the apparitions that are happening in our time. From Our Lady of Fatima's message, I retain the vision of hell, which is truly frightening and sobering. And as I can't attend real Mass, I say five decades of the rosary every day.
ReplyDeleteSimon,
DeleteThe Vision of Hell given at Fatima serves as a stark reminder that we must do all we can to save our souls.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Here's the message. I am disturbed every time I read it !
Delete"As Our Lady spoke these last words, she opened her hands once more, as she had done for the previous two months. The rays of light seemed to penetrate the earth, and we saw a sea of fire. Immersed in the fire were demons and souls in human form, who were like glowing, transparent embers, all blackened or like burnt bronze, floating in the conflagration, there, lifted into the air by the flames that came out of themselves, here, falling back on all sides like sparks in a great fire, without weight or balance, all this amid howls and moans of pain and despair; which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. (It must have been this vision that caused me to scream, for people later said they heard me). The demons could be differentiated by their horrible, repulsive appearance of frightful, unknown animals, black and transparent as glowing coals. This vision lasted only a moment, thanks to our good Mother in Heaven, who had promised to take us to Heaven during the first apparition. Without that, I think we'd have died of fear and terror."
Simon,
DeleteWe would all do well to read that from time to time!
God Bless,
---Introibo
The Blessed Virgin wanted to remind the world that hell exists, but people live as if it were just a made-up tale to keep people in fear. And the V2 sect maintains this fateful idea by telling people they can live as adulterers and encouraging the sin of sodomy ! Isn't it clear proof that this is not the Catholic Church, but a creation of hell ?
DeleteCan I send you an email on a private legal matter to get your opinion on the moral matter of it.
ReplyDeleteOzon,
DeleteYou may send me an email via these comments. I promise not to publish it. I will then contact you with an email that preserves my anonymity It will read "From Introibo" in the subject line. Please note that I do not (and will not) give legal advice. It would be unethical for me to do so under these conditions. If you have a hypothetical and want to know if something is moral according to Church teaching, that I can do.
God Bless,
---Introibo.
Hello Introibo:
ReplyDeleteIf somebody has received the sacraments from SSPX, because that is where they can get to, and then they later they go to a chapel that is anti una cum, how will the latter place react when they are told that the person went to SSPX, rather than go without the sacraments completely?
Thank you. Anonymous
@anon1:13
DeleteI cannot predict how any given cleric will react. I can't read minds. In my experience MOST will give you the sacraments. The SSPV, which does not mention Bergoglio's name in the Canon, have no problem giving the sacraments to those who went to the SSPX. The Nine priests who founded the SSPV, were all members of the SSPX.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@anon 1:13
DeleteI can say from experience that the reaction from the laity will nearly always be more severe than the reaction from the clergy. I've hesitated to mention about me going to an SSPX chapel for sacraments at a CMRI mission because the one time that a few people found out at another mission, it greatly scandalized them.
With that said, I think that Bishop Sanborn and some of his priests would be among the few that would actually deny you communion in this case since His Excellency has explicitly stated that as apart of his sacramental policy (and out of charity, I will refrain from commenting my colorful opinion on it).
Honestly, if you don't have to mention that you've gone to the SSPX for sacraments before, then don't do it. My confessor advised me to not bring it up around other Sedes at the mission to avoid scandal.
Sneedevacantist,
Delete"Honestly, if you don't have to mention that you've gone to the SSPX for sacraments before, then don't do it."
100% agree.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I have great devotion to La Salette and Fatima, recently I am becoming more devoted to Our Lady under the title Our Lady of Good Success.
ReplyDeleteI notice these private revelations have many messages that pretty much line up with our times.
This is an honest question, because I admit I struggle a little on this. Why would Our Lady appear to these people and tell them of these coming disasters if it's only a private revelation? What was the point?
God bless,
Jeremy Van Auker
Jeremy,
DeleteThe main messages have always been prayer, penance, and sacrifice--all good things Traditionalist Catholics should do. The Blessed Mother may be sent so that God's wrath may be averted wholly or in part. Wonderful, grace-filled devotions are also given, such as The Fatima Prayer at the end of each Rosary decade and the First Five Saturdays.
Trying to assess the messages for end times is dangerous. For example, Our Lady is alleged to have said at Fatima that "Portugal will always keep the dogma of the faith." Portugal is (unfortunately) just as pagan as the other formerly Catholic countries after Vatican II. To the best of my knowledge and belief, there are no more Traditionalists (in raw numbers or proportionately) in Portugal than elsewhere. So in what sense has Portugal "kept the dogma of the Faith." Who knows? I, for one, will not spend my time trying to pin down the "true meaning" of such.
As to LaSalette, while it is an approved apparition, in 1915, the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office issued the following decree, approved by Pope Benedict XV:
"It has come to the attention of this Supreme Congregation that certain ones are not lacking, even from among the ecclesiastic assemblage who, responses and decisions of this Holy Congregation itself having been disregarded, do proceed to discuss and examine through books, small works and articles edited in periodicals, whether signed or without a name, concerning the so-called Secret of La Salette, its diverse forms and its relevance to present and future times; and, this not only without permission of the Ordinaries, but, also against their ban.
So that these abuses which oppose true piety and greatly wound ecclesiastical authority might be curbed, the same Sacred Congregation orders all the faithful of any region not to discuss or investigate under any pretext, neither through books, or little works or articles, whether signed or unsigned, or in any other way of any kind, about the mentioned subject. Whoever, indeed, violates this precept of the Holy Office, if they are priests, are deprived of all dignity and suspended by the local ordinary from hearing sacramental confessions and from offering Mass: and, if they are lay people, they are not permitted to the sacraments until they repent.
Moreover, let people be subject to the sanctions given both by Pope Leo XIII through the Constitution of the offices and responsibilities against those who publish books dealing with religious things without legitimate permission of superiors and by Urban VIII through the decree “Sanctissimus Dominus Noster” given on 13th March 1625 against those who publish asserted revelations without the permission of ordinaries. However, this decree does not forbid devotion towards the Blessed Virgin under the title of Reconciliatrix commonly of La Salette.
Given at Rome on 21st December, 1915.
Aloisius Castellano, S. R. and U. I. Notary."
Therefore, the point is to remind us to be the best Traditional Catholics we can be, and give us some good devotions to help. It is not for laymen (in my opinion) to squander time on how (or if) they relate to the End Times.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you for answering my question, Introibo. The last thing I want to do is end up an apparitionist. I am trying my best to be a better Catholic and get to Heaven. Plus, much of my devotion to Our Lady under those particular titles is to foster devotion.
DeleteBut on a side note, have you ever considered doing a blog post on religious life? I've only seen some blog posts on the Single state and Marriage state on here so far.
I am considering a vocation to be a Religious (A priest in a religious order, to be more specific.)
Much thanks,
Jeremy Van Auker
Jeremy,
DeleteAs St. Francis de Sales said, "The desire to love God IS the love of God." By trying to be a better Traditionalist Catholic, you are showing your love of God ! It is good and pious to be devout to the Immaculate Mother of God under any of her approved titles such as Our Lady of LaSalette.
I will consider doing a post on the religious life, but I can't promise when. I'm happy to hear you think you may have a vocation to the priesthood. Although, in this time of Great Apostacy, there are no religious order priests left, nor can you become one in the strict sense. Being a Traditionalist priest is a great vocation--order or not!
May I suggest reading the book, " The Priest: The Man of God; His Dignity and Duties" by St. Joseph Cafasso? It's a spiritual classic and well worth reading for any young man discerning a vocation to be an "alter Christus."
I'll be praying for you!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Why do you use the words traditionalist Catholic or traditional Catholic? Wouldn't it be appropriate to just say I'm Catholic?
DeletePope Benedict XV said this,
"It is, moreover, Our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations which have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided not only as “profane novelties of words,” out of harmony with both truth and justice, but also because they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics. Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: “This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved” (Athanas. Creed). There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism: it is quite enough for each one to proclaim “Christian is my name and Catholic my surname,” only let him endeavour to be in reality what he calls himself." Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum #22
@anon5:59
DeleteI use the term "Traditionalist" and "Traditional Catholic" for two reasons: (1) proselytism and (2) to make clear the stance of this blog.
1. When people ask me "What's your religion?" I say, "I'm a Traditionalist." The response I've ALWAYS gotten is "What's a Traditionalist?" This gives me the chance to explain the One True Church to them and why Bergoglio is not pope. If I said, "I'm Catholic," they would assume I belong to the Vatican II sect and wouldn't inquire further. I lose a chance to convert someone.
2. I want to make clear to anyone reading this blog that it is NOT "recognize and resist," Those websites and blogs use "Catholic" to refer to the V2 sect.
When His Holiness Pope Benedict wrote "Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum" he was NOT considering these unique times of the Great Apostasy where you have a false pope and false sect of Counterfeit Catholicism. What he wrote certainly applied to his time when the Catholic Church ALONE laid claim to the venerable name "Catholic."
God Bless,
---Introibo
I have heard of the book, currently I am reading more about my favorite saint, Saint Gemma Galgani's life. But I will put that book on my reading list.
DeleteThank you, Introibo and yes please do pray for me.
God Bless,
Jeremy Van Auker
God Bless you in your discernment of a vocation in the religions life, Jeremy!
Delete-Seeking Truth
Anonymous,
DeleteWhy did we start calling ourselves Catholic? Why not just say Christians? As errors and heretics crop up, distinguishing terms must be added for clarity. To us, Christian, Catholic, and "Trad Catholic" are all synonymous with one and the same thing: followers of Christ and members of the One, True Church He established. Nonetheless, each term is more clear about this than the last.
That's how I see it. Beautiful quote, though; one of my favorites.
God bless,
Dapouf
Hello Introibo:
ReplyDelete1. Are there any instances in which a couple getting married at a traditional Catholic chapel WOULD NOT have the banns of marriage announced? For example, if the couple's family are anti Catholic, and widespread knowledge of the couple's marriage would put their safety in jeopardy.
2. You have said that you attend SSPV. Do you think that if a couple wanted to get married at an SSPV chapel, and both were traditional Catholic members of an SSPV chapel, BUT their families were not Catholic, the couple would be allowed to have a nuptial Mass?
3. If a person is rarely or never able to attend Mass, do you think that a traditional Catholic priest would come to the person to give them the Last Rites? Should the person try to get a priest to come to them at least once before the person is in danger of death, so that the person can have the sacraments at least once while they are not dying?
Thank you. Anonymous
@anon8:15
Delete1. According to theologian Davis, the Banns of Marriage may be omitted when a marriage will be done in secret, so as to preserve the safety of the couple. There are other reasons as well. (See "Moral and Pastoral Theology" [1935], 4:90-92).
2. Yes.
3. Yes. Does it help to receive the Sacraments before danger of death? Yes, and hopefully more than just once.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo:
DeleteWhat are the other reasons that the Banns of Marriage would be omitted?
Thank you. Anonymous
@anon8:09
DeleteTheologian Davis states that Banns for mixed marriages may be omitted; also when marriage must be hastened because one of the parties in is danger of death; and for "sanatio in radice" (the process whereby an invalid marriage is validated retrospectively)---Ibid.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your post.
Pope Benedict XV: “…Moreover, let people be subject to the sanctions… against those who publish books dealing with religious things without legitimate permission of superiors… and… against those who publish asserted revelations without the permission of ordinaries.
I’ll write it again, I believe Montini and his crew opened the floodgates for the promulgation of many false, or at the very least potentially dangerous, visions and apparations through his 1966 decree. It is my belief that many have been led to hell or have their faith severely hampered by devotion to all of these “seers” over the last 30odd years. There seems to be nothing stopping me or my neighbor from publishing media with claims of my visions, as long as I make the disclaimer that I will submit to any decision the “church” makes on the matter in the future, (should ever such a day come, ha!)
This post is a good reminder, as I think we may be seeing diabolical signs and apparitions in the not so distant future. Caveat emptor!
God bless you,
-S.T.
Seeking Truth,
DeleteI agree that diabolic workings, posing as "signs and miracles" will be not that far away. May we be prepared and spared by the grace of God!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo:
ReplyDeleteI would like to mention that SSPX regard as valid confirmations done by Novus Ordo ordained bishops.
Also if somebody has received sacraments in the Novus Ordo, SSPX will let somebody receive sacraments with SSPX with no waiting period.
A Traditionalist is not required to attend SSPX, who have their own problems.
Thank you. Anonymous
@anon11:20
DeleteYou are correct in your assertions. A Traditionalist is not REQUIRED to attend SSPX, it is true. However, they MAY go (as long as they are aware of the problems) and avail themselves of the graces of the Sacraments.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo:
Delete1. Do you think that if somebody requested it, SSPX would give instructions, and/or conditional sacraments, to somebody who requested it? I have heard that SOMETIMES SSPX will ordain conditionally priests who come from the Novus Ordo.
2. What do you think of Novus Ordo bishop Strickland of Tyler, Texas? I wonder if he has sympathy for Feeneyism. He has welcomed a branch of the Feeneyite nuns(St. Benedict Center) to his diocese. Here is a link: https://sisters.saintbenedict.com/morning-star-in-east-texas/
3. You have said that racism is wrong. Do you think that if a LARGE number of, say, Black or Jewish people, came to SSPV where you attend, and wanted to convert to traditional Catholicism, that everybody would accept them?
4. If somebody is dependent on the Novus Ordo for charitable assistance, AND is interested in traditional Catholicism, AND is expected to regularly spend time around the Novus Ordo, what are your suggestions?
5. Were there ever guest priests at Ave Maria Chapel after Bishop Kurz died and when Father DePauw was still there?
Thank you. Anonymous
@anon3:22
Delete1. The SSPX will conditionally ordain clerics from the Vatican II sect IF SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED BY THE CLERIC. I have not heard of any policy regarding layman and the other sacraments (i.e., Confirmation, Baptism). You should ask.
2. Mr. Strickland is a member of the V2 sect, albeit "conservative." It doesn't surprise me that he "blesses" and welcomes Feeneyites. There is something wrong with every cleric who remains in the V2 sect.
3. I would hope so. Why would any Traditionalist NOT rejoice at the conversion of a large number of people? God created one race--the human race. Anyone who does not accept a sincere conversion by a former Jew or an African-American former non-Catholic, had better stop calling himself "Catholic" in any sense of the word.
4. If "spend time around" means passive attendance, you may licitly do so without sin.
5. Only once when Fr. DePauw was very sick and bedridden, his older brother, Fr. Adhemar DePauw, OFM offered the three Masses in his brother's place.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo
ReplyDelete*Is it okay to read the pre vatican two books of Bishop Fulton Sheen?
*A traditional Bishop just preached that there is no grace coming from valid SSPX Masses.I do think this is wrong.Your thoughts?
*Do you have many pre vatican two seminary manuals?
Thank you and God bless
@anon7:24
Delete1. Sheen was a "closet Modernist" but his pre-Vatican II books are safe to read.
2. That bishop is certainly wrong. Did he say why? The dreaded "Una Cum"?
3. Yes.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Bishops which have zero jurisdiction making Papal pronouncments are dangerous. I say this as someone who holds the Sede Impedita opinion.
DeleteGod bless,
Andrew
Introibo
ReplyDelete*The bishop was Charles McGuire.It was in his sunday sermon.He said you can't be in union with Francis.
*Can you give us some examples of your seminary manuals.
Thank you and God bless
I'm just going to let the truth come out as God wills, because I'm out
ReplyDeleteDo Eastern Orthodox,who receive Sacraments from valid Bishops/Priests,receive Sanctifying Grace from said Sacraments? Does Transubstantiation take place during their Divine Liturgy? Do the clerics & faithful receive Sanctifying Grace from Holy Communion if it's valid? I'm not leaving the Church,simply curious after interacting with some E.O.online.
ReplyDeleteI've looked into this before yrs ago but can't remember the answer.
Pray for a Catholic Pope Hierarchy & traditional Catholic unity. The infighting and never ending division is sickening.
God bless,
Andrew
@anon3:32,
DeleteTo receive sanctifying grace, you must be within the Church. Hence, while EO might receive ACTUAL graces, they would not be in the state of grace, except by Baptism of desire, and then only at the moment right before death.
Does Transubstantiation take place during their Divine Liturgy? Yes.
Do the clerics & faithful receive Sanctifying Grace from Holy Communion if it's valid? Actual grace conceded; sanctifying grace denied.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Are you from Mississippi? The majority of places have 18 as the age of majority
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