The Bright Side of the Choleric Temperament
If the choleric develops his faculties and uses them for good and noble purposes, he may do great things for the honor of God, for the benefit of his fellow men, and for his own temporal and eternal welfare. He is assisted by his sharp intellect, his enthusiasm for the noble and the great, the force and resolution of his will, which shrinks before no difficulty, and the keen vivacity which influences all his thoughts and plans.
Saul, the persecutor of the infant Church, became Paul, the great Apostle who, as he himself said, did more than any other apostle for the spread of Christianity. He made himself "all things to all men that I might save all." (1. Cor. 9:22.) He suffered all kinds of trials and persecution (See 2 Corinthians 12) in order to preach Christ, and Him Crucified, and sealed his mission by his martyrdom for the Gospel.
Many Saints, men and women, have done likewise, dedicating their unremitting labor and intense sufferings under severe persecutions to the service of Christ, as is proved by the thousands and thousands of martyrs of years past and of the present, outstanding among them Joseph Cardinal Mindszenty of Hungary.
The choleric may with comparative ease become a saint. The persons canonized, with few exceptions, were choleric or melancholic. The choleric who is able to control his temperament is recollected in prayer, because by his strong will he can banish distractions and especially because by force of his nature, he can with great facility concentrate his attention upon one point. The latter may also be the cause why the choleric so easily acquires the prayer of simplicity, or as St. Francis calls it, the prayer of recollection.
With no other temperament do we find the spirit of contemplation, properly so called, as often as with the choleric. The well-trained choleric is very patient and firm in endurance of physical pains, willing to make sacrifices in sufferings, persevering in acts of penance and interior mortification, magnanimous and noble toward the indigent and conquered, full of aversion against everything ignoble or vulgar. Although pride penetrates the very soul of the choleric in all its fibers and ramifications, so much so that he seems to have only one vice, i.e., pride, which he shows in everything he undertakes, he can, nevertheless, if he earnestly aspires for perfection, easily bear the greatest and most degrading humiliations and even seek them.
Because the choleric has not a soft but a hard heart, he naturally suffers less from temptation of the flesh and can practice purity with ease. But, if the choleric is voluntarily addicted to the vice of impurity and seeks his satisfaction therein, the outbursts of his passion are terrible and most abominable.
The choleric is very successful also in his professional work. Being of an active temperament, he feels a continual inclination to activity and occupation. He cannot be without work, and he works quickly and diligently. In his enterprises he is persevering and full of courage in spite of obstacles. Without hesitation he can be placed at difficult posts and everything can be entrusted to him. In his speech the choleric is brief and definite; he abhors useless repetitions.
This brevity, positiveness, firmness in speech and appearance gives him a great deal of authority especially when engaged in educational work. Choleric teachers have something virile about themselves and do not allow affairs to get beyond their control, as is often the case with slow, irresolute, melancholic persons. A choleric can keep a secret like a grave.
The Training Needed for a Choleric to Make Spiritual Advancement
1. A choleric needs high ideals and great thoughts; he must draw them from the word of God by meditation, spiritual reading, sermons, and also from the experience of his own life. There is no need of a multiplicity of such thoughts. For the choleric St. Ignatius it was sufficient to think: All for the greater glory of God; for the choleric St. Francis Xavier: What does it profit a man if he gain the whole world, but suffer the loss of his soul? One good thought which deeply impresses the choleric acts as a miraculous star which leads him, in spite of all obstacles, to the feet of the Redeemer.
2. A choleric must learn day by day and repeatedly to implore God fervently and humbly for His assistance. As long as he has not learned to beg he will not make big strides on the road to perfection. To him also apply the words of Christ: "Ask and you shall receive." The choleric will make still greater progress if he can humble himself to ask his fellow men, at least his superiors, or his confessor, for instructions and direction.
3. The choleric must above all keep one strong resolution in his mind: I will never seek myself, but on the contrary I will consider myself: a) An instrument in the hands of God, which He may make use of at His pleasure. b) A servant of my fellow men, who desires to spend himself for others. He must act according to the words of Christ: "Whosoever will be first among you, shall be the servant of all", (St. Matthew 20:27 or St. Mark 10:44), or as St. Paul says of himself: He must become all things to all men, in order to save them. (1 Corinthians 9:22).
4. The choleric must combat his pride and anger continually. Pride is the misfortune of the choleric, humility his only salvation. Therefore he should make it a point of his particular examination of conscience for years.
Thank you Intriobo.
ReplyDeleteJohn,
DeleteGlad you find these posts helpful, my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Simon's going to be angry with you, John Gregory.
DeleteI am the person who has been trying to get the sacraments and nothing yet. I am going through a lot and the people on this blog should not be mocking me. I really can't figure out who to ask to give me conditional Baptism. And Introibo of course is anonymous so I can't invite him to my baptism. I don't know his real name or where exactly he lives.
ReplyDelete@anon8:33,
DeleteI am sorry for your plight. I can't remember all of the advice given, but perhaps you can review the past comments while ignoring anything you find mocking or uncharitable, as the advice was truly beneficial. At least recently, it was suggested having a neighbor baptize you. Write down what they need to say for the conditional baptism and have a pitcher of water handy, or even a bottle of water. Make sure they understand that the water must flow over the scalp/forehead as they say the words. Having a towel handy would be good if doing it outside. I bet even a stranger at a park would do it for you. It would be a numbers game - sooner or later someone would agree to do it.
Make sure you know about perfect contrition. This information is on the Novus Ordo Watch website as well as other places.
I know this doesn't address your other issue of receiving sacraments from a priest. However, the aforementioned items, as well as knowing and believing the Faith, should be sufficient. I sympathize with your desire to remain anonymous. Perhaps, instead of revealing your state, you can provide a region, or tri-state area. For instance, NY/PA/NJ would help narrow things down while retaining your anonymity, and then people could help with options.
"It is absolutely certain that whatever befalls us will always be the best for us." -St. Augustine
God Bless you, and remember also, "He who prays is saved," -St. Alphonsus de Liguori
-S.T.
Seeking Truth,
DeleteWell said!
-TradWarrior
Seeking Truth,
DeleteExcellent comment!
God Bless,
---Introibo
No one on this blog is mocking you .Introibo and many others have given you sound advice.You just keep going on and on every week . Take their advice .Praying for you
ReplyDeleteGreetings to Introibo and the blog readers. Thanks for the article, first of all.
ReplyDeleteI would like to ask a question, since I believe I have read that you believe that the people who hold the R&R theses are Catolic -"You can pray a Catolic prayer with non-Catolics (I don't consider R&R Non-Catolic, but they are in serious error)"-. I don't understand it, I hope you don't get offended, but it's pure logic. If a person recognizes Francis as Pope, which according to the Sedevacantist theses he is not, and is part of the "official Church", which according to the Sedevacantist theses is a false Church like any Protestant Church, for example, I do not understand why you claim that it is Catolic. For example, if someone is part of the Palmar de Troya in my country, I do not believe that any serious sedevacantist, no matter how "traditionalist" the Palmarian person may seem, would say that they are Catolic.
Thank you.
Young reader from Spain
Young reader from Spain,
DeleteI never said I believed the R&R were truly Catholic. They may claim it and to some extent act like it but in reality betray themselves on many different levels. I heard Kennedy Hall (SSPX layman youtuber) say the other day that the 1917 Code of Canon Law may have been a mistake! Declared or undeclared heretics, these people are not much different than the Feeneyites with mental gymnastics. They SHOULD know better but compromise with the new religion and are themselves inimical to the Catholic Faith.
As a commenter put it to me in an exchange at the Novus Ordo Watch combox (to which I agree):
"I treat them as heretics and schismatics, and thus they are irregular.
You can look up irregularities by delict in Bouscaren and Ellis. You can get another commentary from Woywod under paragraph numbers 933, 934, 1284, 1346, 2155 and 2159 (those are paragraph numbers, and not canon numbers).
The $?PX are not just mixed-up Catholics who have been punished by competent authorities (publicly or privately). Rather, they are a subset sect of heretical schismatics, who stubbornly adhere to the larger non-Catholic sect of the New Religion of Roncalli, Montini, Vatican II, Luciani, Wojtyla, Ratzinger, and Bergoglio."
Lee
Excellent view on the SSPX Lee.
DeleteOne of the biggest sham's of the Society was the two Rosary crusades called by Fellay for the " freeing" of the Traditional Mass and the "lifting" of the so - called excommuncations.Why pray for something that was null and void.
Yes ,they are a sect and pick and choose .
Just crazy Lee
Young Reader from Spain,
DeleteI agree with Lee, but remember R&R are undeclared heretics and many believe themselves to be Catholic.
As Lee correctly stated, "They SHOULD know better but compromise with the new religion and are themselves inimical to the Catholic Faith."
The same cannot be said of Palmar de Troya cult members.
God Bless,
---Introibo
It would seem weird for me to ask a total stranger to conditionally baptize me.
ReplyDeleteIt is time for you to defeat your shyness
Delete@anon10:58,
DeleteThere are certainly weirder things one can do. At the end of the day, what's more important - getting conditionally baptized or seeming weird to a stranger?
Just practicing and living our Faith is going to seem weird to many. I sympathize that it may feel awkward, or perhaps embarrassing to ask a stranger.
Perhaps God would use the event - how could you know? Perhaps the stranger baptizing you would be led to the Faith by the event!
If it needs to be done, please do it. Don't presume you have as much time as you need in order to find the most suitable circumstances in which to do it.
I eagerly await you telling me the good news that you were conditionally baptized, and that you have attempted to make perfect contrition with our Lord. God Bless you!
-S.T.
@anon10:58
DeleteI agree wholeheartedly with Poni and Seeking Truth. You can do this!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Please remember that I have been denied the sacraments.
ReplyDeleteYes, very unfortunate, but first things first. I refer you to our previous discussions.
DeleteI know the Act of Contrition. I can't find anybody to do conditional Baptism.
ReplyDelete@anon9:07
DeleteI doubt you have gone to all your neighbors.
---Introibo
@anon9:07,
DeleteYes, I thought you did, but knowing about perfect vs imperfect contrition is important. Even if you already knew this, a review is very beneficial. I think I first learned about it here:
https://novusordowatch.org/2017/11/perfect-contrition-key-to-heaven/
For more:
https://novusordowatch.org/?s=perfect%20contrition
Here are some options for finding someone to help you with the conditional baptism:
-Mailman
-Health aide (if applicable)
-Somebody at a park
-Someone who lives in your building (superintendent, hang out in the lobby and ask someone)
-Your neighbor (otherwise)
-Order a package and ask the UPS/FedEx/DHL, etc carrier to do it when the come
-Contact your local Area on Aging agency, or similar agency, if applicable. If not applicable and you are homebound, there are very likely gov’t welfare or non-gov’t charitable organization that could help.
-You must eat. Unless you live entirely off of your own land, you either go to a store or have food delivered. This provides yet another option (someone at store or delivery person).
I am presuming you don’t live on a deserted island, of course, so surely one of these options will work. Just work down the list. I like the idea of the mailman. Have everything ready, including a thank you gift if you want. God will provide. Do you part and leave the rest up to him – but you must do your part. What did God tell St. Anthony of the desert when he cried out to Him about his plight, asking God what He expected of him? God told him, “Anthony, I expect you to fight.” I may not have these details (including the Saint) right, so someone can correct me, but you get the point. This applies to all of us.
Finally, [Luke 11:5-13]:
“…Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go to him at midnight…7 And he from within should answer, and say: Trouble me not, the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee 8 Yet if he shall continue knocking, I say to you, although he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend; yet, because of his importunity, he will rise, and give him as many as he needeth. 9 And I say to you, Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you. 10 For every one that asketh, receiveth; and he that seeketh, findeth; and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened.
11 And which of you, if he ask his father bread, will he give him a stone? or a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?... 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father from heaven give the good Spirit to them that ask him?”
I look forward to hearing about your efforts.
Praying for you,
-S.T.
OK, I think I probably know what this lady is trying to say. She can't find anybody to do the conditional baptism because she wants the TRADITIONAL conditional baptism (as she once stated in a comment to some previous post).
DeleteIf I remember correctly, she was baptized Protestant, then received into the Novus Ordo and baptized conditionally by them (as an adult I presume). Doesn't she remember any circumstances of that conditional baptism?
I think she should contact a kind and well-trained Traditionalist priest. She can do this through this site:
https://cmri.org/cmri-contact-information/general-contact-form/
Or Fr. Benedict Hughes CMRI (he's in Rathdrum, Idaho). His email address:
FrBenedict@cmri.org
You need to just go door knocking, it may seem weird but we are not dealing with light things, we are dealing with your eternal soul here. Your eternal soul is far more important than your neighbourhood brownie points.
ReplyDelete@anon10:19
DeleteYou're exactly right!
God Bless,
---Introibo
I recently bought a book by Narciso Irala who was a psychiatrist and Jesuit missionary. The book is called “Achieving Peace of Heart”. In this book he talks about how to overcome certain defects and faults from both a Catholic perspective, but he also, seems to concentrate, more on the psychological method in trying to resolve faults or defects like anxiety. I’m not too far into the book yet. He talks about “mindfulness”, and I know he was in China before and seems to have been influenced by the pagan culture there and this wicked Buddhist idea of “mindfulness”. This can open the door to the demonic and the occult and I’m not sure why it’s in a book that Traditional Catholic groups promote and sell. I know you wrote about “mindfulness” and its dangers not too long ago and linked it with The Novus Ordo. But this is not a Novus Ordite as far as I know, although he did die after V2. Not much information on him. I think I should probably stop reading it.
ReplyDelete@anon11:32
DeleteI was able to find an original copy. Very worn and in poor shape, it was published in 1964. That was the year of the Great Apostasy. Although I have not read the book, I would avoid anything published after 1963. I agree that having been from China and discussing "mindfulness" are both red flags. It might be one of the first occult texts introduced under the guise of being "from the Church," but I can't be sure without reading it.
My advice: Stay away.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I will be interested to know what others and Introibo thoughts are on this book.I have seen it for sale in some Traditional Catholic bookstores but have not brought it yet.God bless
ReplyDelete@anon2:44
DeleteAs stated by me in the comment above: stay away is my advice.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Someone wrote last week:
ReplyDeleteAnonymousFebruary 9, 2025 at 11:27 PM
“Thank you.
However, how could one possibly attend an FSSP liturgy and not actively participate? Sit instead whilst everyone else is kneeling? Or do you mean just not go up at Communion?”
Yes… no: kneeling, handshaking, “communion”, visible prayer, etc. You are not there for public worship, and even praying the Rosary visibly would give the appearance of your tacit consent.
-S.T.
From the CMRI’s Adsum:
Question: Is friendship a sufficient title to justify passive attendance at a non-Catholic funeral or wedding, in view of the fact that the Code (Can. 1258 § 2) requires “a grave reason, civilis officii vel honoris causa”?
Answer: The mere fact that a Catholic has had a slight acquaintance with the non-Catholic whose marriage or funeral is taking place in a non-Catholic church is not a sufficient reason to justify the Catholic’s attendance at the function. But intimate and long-standing friendship would be a sufficient reason, provided there is no danger of scandal or of perversion. The phrase honoris causa can be reasonably interpreted to include the expression of honor which we naturally wish to manifest to our intimate friends, especially on the occasion of a marriage or a funeral. Bouscaren-Ellis translate the phrase given by the questioner as “for the sake of civil courtesy, duty or respect, for a grave reason” (Canon Law [Milwaukee, 1946], p. 639). It should be remembered that under no circumstances may a Catholic participate actively in any public non-Catholic religious service.
by Very Rev. Francis J. Connell, C.SS.R., S.T.D., LL.D., L.H.D
https://www.cmri.org/adsum/adsum-2024-04.pdf
seeking Truth,
DeleteThat is the correct principle. I gave the "short form" answer and said, "You can attend the funeral of any deceased friend/co-worker/neighbor provided there is no active participation on your part."
I should have been clear that "any friend" is not a mere acquaintance. Fr. DePauw, a canonist, also taught that in our times, attending a wedding or funeral of a non-Catholic co-worker or neighbor can be justified if to be absent would cause you trouble at work or troubles with your other neighbors.
Thanks for the follow-up, I dropped the ball in not answering his second query!!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
Deletehow I wish we still had priests, theologians, and canonists like Fr. DePauw who had the solid pre-Vatican 2 training and common sense to guide us. Please do share his teaching anytime, it's always highly appreciated!
R.I.P. Fr. De Pauw.
Joanna,
DeleteThank you. Not a day goes by that I don't miss Fr. DePauw.
Always good to read your comments! Hope all is well with you.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you one and all for following this up; I was the poster.
DeleteHowever,... I can't really imagine sitting in the FSSP church that I used to attend and, doing exactly that, just sitting and not kneeling, standing at the appropriate parts of the liturgy.
I am,... Imagine it.
O, what wretched times!
Introibo,
DeleteI'm doing alright, just somewhat under the weather emotionally. Thank you for your concern. my friend.
I think it's no exaggeration to say that Fr. DePauw is sorely missed even by those who never met him in person. I can only imagine how hard it's been for you to lose a friend and mentor like him.
I came across some information in Fr. DePauw's obituary (https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/07/classified/paid-notice-deaths-depauw-fr-gommar.html) that he met with President Reagan on several occasions. Do you know what those meetings were about?
God Bless,
Joanna
Joanna,
DeletePrayers for you to feel better.
I have a picture of Fr. DePauw in the Oval Office with President Reagan in 1987. President Reagan was fascinated by Traditionalist Catholicism and would discuss it with Fr, who had hopes for his conversion.
They would also discuss the importance of prayer and "keeping God alive in the public square," so to speak. President Reagan, on several occasions, sent letters to the Ave Maria Chapel, asking specifically for "the prayers of your Traditionalist soldiers" in helping him fight a particular evil--most notably Communism.
Father would read those letters aloud from the pulpit, and we would pray for the president and for God to crush the evils of the world and Communism in particular.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Very interesting!
DeletePresident Reagan is always being portrayed with Wojtyła as his religious anti-Communist ally so it's good to know of his interest in Traditional Catholicism and respect for Fr. DePauw.
Keep sharing these historical tidbits, they're invaluable!
God Bless,
Joanna
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteVery interesting post, thank you. Reading some of this material, I can see how the tests said I was part choleric. I think I have the enviable position of having a good dose of the weaknesses of all of the temperaments, with minimal expression of their strengths, ha. Self-deprecation aside, I am thinking of TradWarrior’s commentary regarding our Blessed Mother having the perfect combination of traits, and however dominant we may be with a temperament, we most likely have elements of all. Whatever our dominant temperaments are, it is beneficial to learn about the others and derive any spiritual fruit that we can.
Thanks for sharing that info from Fr. DePauw. I did not mean to imply you did not answer, but I had the information and thought they might not have understood what active participation meant. You’ve certainly helped me with the topic in the past.
You mentioned how not to admonish a choleric, and that it is helpful to let them cool off when they’re in a state. What about how to best befriend them? Or really, just how to treat them charitably in a manner they prefer without seeming ingratiating or anything like that? Like how not holding the sanguine accountable for some of their faults. Perhaps I missed it.
God Bless,
-S.T.
i dont suppose that introibo knows. these admonitions were the words of the accredited authors whom he cited
DeleteSeeking Truth,
DeleteI liked reading your self-deprecating comment. It is good that you see yourself humbly, yet humorously. Yes I would agree with you, that while we have a dominant temperament, we most likely have elements of all 4 temperaments. I most identify as a melancholic, but I do see traits from the other 3 temperaments too in myself. It would be nice to be like the Blessed Virgin Mary, where the 4 temperaments were always perfectly balanced and in perfect harmony at all times. But unfortunately, we are poor sinners and we do not have that luxury. It is always nice to read your comments.
God Bless you,
-TradWarrior
Seeking Truth,
DeleteI'm always happy when a knowledgeable reader leaves a great comment. You gave great advice that was in keeping with the teaching of the Church, and a citation to back it up. You have also given excellent advice to the commenter who comes here each week about needing conditional baptism and not getting the sacraments. Thank you!
@anon5:32 is correct. I'm no expert on the temperaments. As stated at the beginning of each of these posts, the information is taken directly from theologians Hock and Schagemann. All I do is format and edit it into a terse post. I won't venture to answer a question or give advice in an area where I lack the requisite knowledge to do so as a layman.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Can you respond to the arguments given by MHT seminary about why v2 anti church is not a sect? They are pretty convincing
ReplyDelete@anon4:01
DeleteCan you please send the link to those arguments?
God Bless,
---Introibo
Delete“Those defending that the “Novus Ordo Church” is a non-Catholic sect, in the full canonical strength of the word, are faced with flagrant intrinsic contradictions.
For according to this opinion, we would have to logically conclude:
(1) That, either with the election of John XXIII or with the promulgation of Vatican II, the whole Catholic Church disappeared suddenly, entirely swallowed up in a false Church.
(2) That at this point all Catholics were canonically part of this non-Catholic sect, in communion with and submitted to non-Catholics. This would mean that there were therefore no true Catholics left on earth.
(3) That everyone leaving the “Novus Ordo” is leaving a non-Catholic sect, and must make an abjuration of error and a public profession of Catholic faith to be absolved from excommunication and be received again in the true Catholic Church by a priest who himself is not a member of the sect, or if he was, has himself abjured and was received into the Catholic Church.
(4) That there would have been no clergy left (since all were part of this non-Catholic sect) to receive the “converts” in the true Catholic Church.
(5) That the Catholic hierarchy would have entirely disappeared from the face of the earth, not only formally, but even materially.
(6) That, consequently, the mark of apostolicity of the Catholic Church would have been lost.
(7) That those who defend this idea were themselves members of this non-Catholic sect, and have never been duly received into the Catholic Church. They would themselves be clergy to be shunned by “true Catholics”. Who would be these pure and true Catholics, though, no one knows.
These conclusions are utterly unacceptable, they are absurd, and some of them are openly incompatible with the Catholic Faith. Led by a praiseworthy but misled zeal for the Catholic Church, defenders of this idea are logically committed to conclusions which would blatantly contradict the very Church’s indefectibility.”
From - https://thethesis.us/chapter-xiii/
God bless
@anon9:55
DeleteAs I suspected, these arguments are based on sedeprivationism. It would take more than one post to adequately answer, let alone a comment! However, while I believe sedeprivationism to be possible, these arguments do not eviscerate "garden variety" sedes like myself.
For example, #1 & 2 gratuitously assume that there was no one who rejected V2 from the outset. The errors of V2 and the "popes" were rejected by several clergymen. Some were confused as to the identity of the pope, but they remained Catholic. The sedeprivationists must prove something they cannot do; that the Great Apostasy had hoodwinked ALL. They also play a "numbers game" where a certain amount of clergy are needed to preserve the visibility of the Church and Apostolicity. If memory serves me correctly, the Church was founded on Pentecost with 72 members worldwide and the pope with ten bishops. Would anyone like to argue that the Church was not visible or Apostolic in 33 AD? " But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?" (St. Luke 18:8).
God Bless,
---Introibo
I studied and found that the first bishop to accept sedevacante did this after montini promulgated lumen gentians I think MHT seminary is saying that the entire episcopacy cannot have been part of this false sect, since the true church would have no bishops
DeleteAnd this is all based on the idea that the false sect was created by montini not by Roncalli, if it was created by Roncalli their argument is even stronger, since not even a priest recognised sedevacante if I remember correctly under Roncalli - if I remember correctly Fr Joaquín Sáenz y Arriaga was teh first to publicly recognise sedevacante and this was under montini.
@anon11:29
DeleteYour study (no citations) is flawed. Fr. DePauw NEVER accepted the heretical teachings of V2 and he was not alone. While some remained quiet about it, they maintained the Catholic Faith along with the True Mass and Sacraments. Bishop Kurz, likewise, rejected the heretical teachings of Vatican II.
Indeed, no study could ever prove what every cleric was thinking and doing.
God Bless,
---Introibo
MHT are right: the entire visible structure of the Church was suddenly swallowed up and ceased to be, organisationally, a 'going concern', wretchedly reinforced all the more by Bugnini's 1968 change to the Sacrament of episcopal consecration which destroyed valid form and stated intent; and as a function of the decades since passed, have effected a 'cutting off' of the Apostolic 'pipeline'.
DeleteThe Latin Church, at least, on a wholesale structural basis, was wiped out by the wrath of God.
Things are so very much worse than any NO man of good faith could fear to consider, let alone fathom. The visible Church is face down on the canvas and the ref is about to count '10'. Blessed be God; His Spotless Bride shall rise to greater glory than ever before seen.
Let me just say something
DeleteI am anon who posted this comment
Anon 1249 is somebody else
@anon12:49
DeleteIf what you wrote is to be understood as saying, the Church defected--that cannot ever happen. That the Church seems to be near extinction because of Vatican II; Conceded.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Yes; of course.
DeleteIntroibo
ReplyDeleteYou recommend reading no books after 1963. Okay,which bookstores would you say are safe to buy from?
I am new to the Faith.Thank you
@anon4:40
DeleteAny reprint of a Catholic book 1963 and before carrying a Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur is good no matter who sells it. Preserving Christian Publications (https://www.pcpbooks.net/prestashop/) is an outstanding place to shop for great Catholic books!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteThank you for the generous compliment.
Understood – I thought that perhaps either I missed something in the two posts or that you had an opinion on this particular temperament. One of my failings is controlling my thoughts towards others, so trying to treat others more effectively based on their temperaments is something I’m working on. As I’ve written before, I’ve gotten much more value from your posts on this topic than any research I’ve done previously, so thank you again.
TradWarrior,
Thank you for the kind words. The commentary here is very edifying, and I’m grateful you comment here. I believe I am mostly melancholic as well. Along with Lee, Joanna S., Simon, Dominic, John Gregory, and many others, you add much to this great blog. When I was learning about the Faith and sedevacantism, commentary sections across various platforms were extremely helpful.
God Bless,
-S.T.
Introibo...do you know anything about Easter water? Gregorian water?? I heard a sede priest mention it in a sermon and I asked him for info. He said he learned from a NO priest Ripperger! I can only find info from NO sources online, nothing traditional.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I recall you said Fr DePauw was summoned by JPI to possibly convert and then he died or was murdered? Bishop Sanborn has said he does not believe that at all bc JPI modernist. Fr Radecki alluded to same thing in a talk I heard. He said JPI murdered likely due to freemasons finding out who was on chopping block. Was this in the Radecki book? Have you heard anything else about this?
God bless all!
@anon3:46
Delete1. I have never heard of "Easter water." Any reader with information on this, please comment!
2. Luciani (JPI) was indeed a Modernist. Yes, upon his election, he summoned Fr. DePauw to come to Rome and begin the work of undoing Vatican II. Father always publicly maintained he was murdered by Masons. There is evidence to support this and at least one book about it was written by a non-Traditionalist. I believe Luciani may have converted (reverted?) to the Catholic Faith. I find it supremely ironic that Bp. Sanborn doesn't believe it, since sedeprivationism (to which he subscribes) maintains that the material pope can convert and become the formal (true) pope!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Remember that we need an infallible sign, bishop sanborn bas said it before. He must burn the documents of Vatican 2 in St Peter’s square
Delete@anon11:23
DeletePerhaps he was planning to do just that..until he was murdered!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you both...looking forward to hearing if anyone knows about Easter water. God bless!
ReplyDeleteFrom Catholic Encyclopedia's entry on Holy Water (1910):
Delete"There are two Sundays on which water is not and seems never to be blessed: these are Easter Sunday and Pentecost. The reason is because on the eve of these two feasts water for the baptismal fonts is blessed and consecrated and, before its mixture with the holy chrism, the faithful are allowed to take some of it to their homes, and keep it for use in time of need."
God Bless,
Joanna
Joanna,
DeleteThank you!!
---Introibo
Regarding Gregorian Water, I was only able to find this information on an R&R website:
Delete"The consecration of an altar, and the internal aspersion of the walls of a church, are done with a special form of holy water, which is mixed not only with blessed salt, but also blessed ashes and wine. This is popularly known as “Gregorian water”, a term which is not used in the rubrics of the Pontifical of Clement VIII, but is found in those of the 1961 revision."
https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2013/02/compendium-of-1961-revision-of_20.html
The Novus Ordo Modern "Catholic" Dictionary (first ed. 1980) says this:
"The blessed water used in the ceremony for the consecration of a church. It contains wine, salt, and ashes and requires a special formula for its blessing. The name comes from the fact that its use was prescribed by Pope St. Gregory I."
The Collins Dictionary of English also defines it as such:
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/gregorian-water
Seems like the term "Gregorian Water" for the mixture of holy water, salt, ashes, and wine did not exist prior to Roncalli but this is just my guess based on limited research.
God Bless,
Joanna
Easter water: Maybe baptism water blessed at the Easter Vigil?
ReplyDelete@anon7:56
DeleteSee Joanna's comment above; your hunch is right!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thoughts on “Europe a nation”
ReplyDelete@anon1:52
Delete"One World Government"
God Bless,
---Introibo
also, stupid because europe is divided into multiple small countries with different languages and cultures
DeleteYes,correct.The new baptism water blessed at the great Easter Vigil.
ReplyDeleteGreetings to Introibo and the other readers. I already received a response from Jorge - I referred to him in the previous publication -. I transcribe it:
ReplyDeleteJorge Garrido:
""Hello, Marcos.
The answer they gave you is based on several errors.
The first is that the non-infallible Magisterium is not therefore a despicable Magisterium, as you have been told. Who says it is? When did I say that it is? Never. It is a Magisterium that demands Christian compliance. Now, since it is not infallible, it is fallible. It doesn't have to be, but it could be (if proven). And in very specific aspects (not in general) there are problems of compatibility with the preceding Magisterium, whether due to ambiguities, bad definitions or inaccuracies, or in some specific case, due to possible errors... And if in any specific case (religious freedom, ecumenism, collegiality) an incompatibility is detected, preference must be given to the preceding clear and dogmatic Magisterium. Nothing else. That is not to despise the non-infallible Magisterium.
Regarding "Lumen Gentium" I am struck by the fact that in your response you extract a specific phrase without referring to anything else, when that document (about the Church - which seems problematic in its treatment of collegiality and the Pope-Council relationship) includes a "Prior Explanatory Note" and some clarifying "Notifications" to try to avoid any controversy. Thus, its non-dogmatic character is expressly clarified in this document due to the doubts that its nature generated in the council fathers: it was preceded by a "Previous Explanatory Note" that attempted to cut off any problematic interpretation from the outset, in addition to adding some clarifying "Notifications" that "Taking into account the conciliar custom and the pastoral purpose of the present Council, this holy Synod defines that only those that it declares as such should be maintained by the Church as matters of faith or morals." openly", so the most controversial statements are clearly excluded, not being dogmatic and infallible, although in principle they must be received as ordinary Magisterium. This places us before a paradox: the Dogmatic Constitution "Lumen Gentium" in its own content claims not to be dogmatic ("Explanatory Notifications") and tries to cut off, with dubious effectiveness, any heterodox interpretation ("Previous Explanatory Note") in the face of evidence that the text contains problematic statements.
Now (and this concerns the phrase that the person who responded to him comes up with), the text is approved with a formula that makes it ordinary Magisterium (even if it is pastoral and with the qualifications it includes), because it appeals to the authority of the Pope, effectively. Nobody says otherwise...
But let them cite everything, it included the "Previous Explanatory Note" and the "Notifications"!! Or did you forget that part?
All the best."
I take this opportunity to ask why a Mexican priest named Father Vergara and many sedevacantists affirm that the thesis of the "materialiter pope" is heretical. What does it mean?
Thank you very much!
Young reader from Spain
Young Reader from Spain,
DeleteI cannot give this the treatment it deserves in a simple comment, but I will keep it terse: Jorge is the one in error.
1. Once more, like the Feeneyites, he believes that a true pope can teach HERESY and said heresy can be ignored ("resisted"). More on this point later.
2. He tries to save V2 by claiming that the footnotes rescue parts from being the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium.
3. Who gets to claim the "correct interpretation" of Lumen Gentium with footnotes and all? Well, if you are not sedevacantist, it is the man you recognize as pope.
Jorge Garrido does not explain the meaning, his "popes" do, for THEY and not he, are the rule of Faith.
4. ALL the bishops came home from the Vatican II and, in union with the Vatican II popes, taught the Council’s doctrines, which John Paul II then duly enshrined and imposed as obligatory in his universal catechism of 1992; so, if you believe the V2 popes are true popes, Vatican II is universal ordinary magisterium.
If you think "footnotes saved it," someone forgot to tell Wojtyla, who attended and voted as a bishop, and as Jorge's "pope" is the one who gives official and binding interpretations.
5. Wojtyla's Catechism states:
"Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity." (section 819--and it cites Lumen Gentium para. #8, section 2 containing "subsists in")
Compare: Pope Benedict XV:
Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: "This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved" (Athanas. Creed). (Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum, para. #24).
6. Therefore, V2 (footnotes and all) is the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium. It has been taught as such by "Pope" "St" John Paul "the Great" in union with his "bishops" and published with the correct meaning in his Catechism of 1992. At no point does Wojtyla claim that any part of the "Dogmatic Constitution" is not binding, and he cannot be ignorant of the footnotes.
7. The Catechism of Wojtyla is clearly heretical on many points--all corresponding to the teachings of Vatican II.
Therefore, Jorge believes that a pope can be a heretic, leading souls to Hell and yet still be pope. He believes that Christ put St. Peter in charge of the Church, but he (Jorge) gets to "correct" him and reject his pope when he believes he does something wrong. This is not Catholicism.
8. Jorge Garrido erroneously turns a consequence into a condition. In fact, a teaching is “in accord with tradition” and infallible BECAUSE a true pope and his bishops universally teach it — that’s how Christ’s promise works — not because you, Mr. Jorge Garrido or Father R&R, have checked out the hierarchy’s pronouncement and decided that it is consistent with “tradition.”
**I don't have space or time to explain sedeprivationism being considered heretical by some. It would require a long post.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you very much! I will share your answer with Jorge.
DeleteYoung reader from Spain