Monday, March 14, 2022

Baptismus Flaminis

 

To My Readers: One of my readers sent me this article he wrote combating Feeneyism. As any regular visitor of my blog knows, I have written many times against this pernicious heresy. Nevertheless, this individual noted that he sees a spike in those professing the errors of the excommunicated priest, Leonard Feeney, to one degree or another. His article is concise and clearly written, and I have decided to use it as a post. The author wishes to remain anonymous, and he shall be credited simply as An Anonymous Traditionalist. For the picture accompanying this week's post, I have chosen the great Saint and Doctor of the Church, St. Alphonsus Liguori, considered by the majority of theologians to have been the most erudite champion of the Faith, second only to St. Thomas Aquinas. 

St. Alphonsus did a magnificent job explaining the decrees of Trent and the Church's teaching on Baptism of Desire (BOD) and Baptism of Blood (BOB). I hope you enjoy this refresher on a matter of Church doctrine. It also gives me a needed break, especially with my expanding work duties, and in a week when I'm losing a precious hour to Daylight Savings Time. Please feel free to comment as usual, and I will be responding. 

God Bless you all, my dear readers---Introibo

Baptismus Flaminis
By An Anonymous Traditionalist
Written in honor of St. Alphonsus de Liguori and St. Thomas Aquinas on the Feast Day of St. Agatha, Virgin and Martyr, 4th of February 2022 AD. I, an anonymous author who is una cum sede apostolica, offer the following writing, submitted to the future decisions of the Magisterium of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, for the salvation of souls and the destruction of heresy.---An Anonymous Traditionalist. 

The Baptism of Desire, simply put, is the perfect act of contrition or charity of the unbaptized that receive the theological virtue of faith; which is received by hearing the faith preached by a preacher sent from God or by receiving the virtue of faith by an internal inspiration of grace from God. When the unbaptized make this perfect act of contrition or charity, united with the supernatural virtue of faith, they are (by definition) in the state of sanctifying grace. If the unbaptized dies in this state, then it follows that they go to Heaven, or in the case of those souls that need to still expiate their sins, Purgatory.

St. Thomas Aquinas, De Veritate, 14, A. 11, ad 1: Objection- “1. Granted that everyone is bound to believe something explicitly, no untenable conclusion follows even if someone is brought up in the forest or among wild beasts. For it pertains to divine providence to furnish everyone with what is necessary for salvation, provided that on his part there is no hindrance. Thus, if someone so brought up followed the direction of natural reason in seeking good and avoiding evil, we must most certainly hold that God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed or would send some preacher of the faith to him as he sent Peter to Cornelius (Acts 10:20).” (Emphasis added).

The controversy surrounding Baptism of Desire begins with a certain Leonard Feeney. He was ordained a priest, as a Jesuit, on June 20, 1928. He became a professor at Boston College, and then became the chaplain of the Saint Benedict Center in 1945. Soon after his appointment, he preached against the doctrines of the Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood. His Jesuit superiors ordered him to leave the Center for a post at the College of the Holy Cross, but after initially going there, he returned to the Center and repeatedly refused to comply with the ecclesiastical order. Feeney was summoned to Rome to answer for his teachings, but he refused to go. By 1949 he was building an illicit religious order filled with married folk without canonical approval. On February 13, 1953, Feeney was solemnly excommunicated by His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. In 1972, Feeney reconciled with the post-Vatican II hierarchy without recanting his errors. Tragically, Leonard Feeney’s story of error ends with his death in the year 1978, AD, externally in union with the Modernist hierarchy. (N. B. Although a valid priest, once he was solemnly excommunicated by the Holy Father, Leonard Feeney forfeited his right to be known by his ecclesiastical title of “Father.” Hence, we do not speak of “Fr. Martin Luther.” ---Introibo).

While it is true that Leonard Feeney saw the Modernist theological attempts to use Baptism of Desire in a heretical manner, that manner being a sort of universalism, this foresight does not give one the liberty to deny Catholic doctrine. This denial of Catholic doctrine affects Traditionalists in America to the current day, and those influenced by the global impact of American culture.

At the time of writing this (the year being 2022 AD), a man claiming to be a bishop, Neal Webster, along with his clergy, an illicit so-called Benedictine Monastery called Most Holy Family Monastery, the St. Benedict Center of New Hampshire, a certain Charles Coulombe of Tumblar House (author of Desire & Deception), and Loreto Publications, all to some degree hold to the position of Feeney, which is the condemnation of the Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

Due to these facts of Feeney’s life, and the fact of his enduring legacy found amongst heretical offspring, may God have mercy on Leonard Feeney’s eternal soul. Today, the heresy of Feeney, the rejection of the perfect act of charity or contrition for the unbaptized, must be refuted because it is a pernicious, mortally sinful heresy that attacks the authority of the Catholic Church; the substance of this error condemns the very salvation of those souls united to the soul of the Holy Roman Catholic Church (1) , outside of which there is no salvation.

Every heresy, to some degree, attacks the Catholic religion in Her doctrines, disciplines, and liturgy. The Protestants, for instance, reject Catholic dogmas (notably the dogma of papal authority), Catholic disciplines (as a general rule, they do not keep laws of fast or abstinence), and Catholic liturgy (Protestant “reformers” created false liturgies stripped of Catholic prayers). As another example, the Modernists of Vatican II reject Catholic dogmas (the false religious liberty of Dignitatis Humanae contradicts the Magisterium in Quanta Cura which condemns religious liberty), Catholic disciplines (the 1983 Code of Canon law allows the mortally sinful practice of praying in common with heretics and schismatics), and Catholic liturgy (the new “mass” substantially differs from the Traditional Latin Mass to have a spirit comfortable to the most liberal of Protestants). The heresy of Feeneyism, more precisely the position of Most Holy Family Monastery (the rejection of Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood), shares in this same attack against the doctrines, disciplines, and liturgy of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, which this Church is habitually assisted by the Holy Ghost for the salvation of souls.

Thus, how the heresy of Feeneyism attacks the Catholic religion is to be defined.

Decidedly, Feeneyism rejects the Catholic doctrine of Baptism of Desire (the perfect act of contrition or charity). The Feeneyites base this rejection on their interpretation of the Magisterium. They quote directly the various magisterial statements on the necessity of sacramental baptism to justify their position. However, such quotations lack the official interpretation given by the ordinary teaching authority of the Church (in other words, the Magisterium). A Feeneyite could send these quotations all day, but if it lacks the official interpretation of the Church, then such quotations are all for naught.

 The correct means to understand theological quotations correctly requires one to consult the writings of approved Church theologians. It should be noted that they, approved theologians, do not officially and authoritatively teach doctrine, unless their voices are raised in a universal and ordinary manner on matters pertaining to faith or morals (2); but rather show where the Church teaches doctrine from the official interpretation of the Magisterium. 

The Feeneyites have yet to quote a single theologian, with the requisite credibility, that has adequately shown where the Church has officially condemned Baptism of Desire or Blood as heretical. Such a condemnation does not exist because the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium has consistently taught Baptism of Desire down through the centuries, and the Council of Trent infallibly taught it as well. Many quotes can prove this point, (such as from St. Hippolytus of the 3rd century or St. Prosper of Aquitaine of the 5th century), but previous works have already proven this point.

Indeed, the followers of Feeney attack the universal disciplines, which are attached to the universal liturgy of the Church, of the Roman Church. This rejection involves denying the passive infallibility of the 1917 Code of Canon Law because the Code expresses Baptism of Desire within certain canons. The logical conclusion of rejecting the canons, that support Baptism of Desire, necessarily implies that the public worship of the Requiem Mass offered for unbaptized catechumens is evil and condones heresy, yet the Church cannot give that which is evil to Her members. Furthermore, the Dimond Brothers and/or those clergy under Neal Webster, because they would have to logically condemn and censure the “heretical practice” of offering such Requiem Masses believe that the Church can sanction evil.

 Another absurdity, that absurdity which brings the dear reader to a main theme of this post, must be exposed, that is, if it is not infallible, then it can be heretical. The Dimond Brothers are notorious for doing just this, their literature is filled with objections being answered with “such a document is not infallible.” By doing this, they aim for the trees but end up destroying the whole forest. When one, whether they be of the Dimond Brothers or of the Gallican SSPX variety, or of Neal Webster’s clergy, says that the Church, in her official disciplines/liturgy, can give poison, pernicious error that sends souls to Hell; such a one implies that the Roman Catholic Church has defected, (the forest, being the Church, is destroyed). Every false religion defects, that is, a religion which is a means of damnation, in their doctrines, disciplines, and liturgy. The Roman Church is set apart from other religions, because it cannot defect; therefore the Catholic Church has not taught, ruled, or sanctified, a pernicious error when on the subject of the Baptism of Desire down through the centuries, because the Baptism of Desire is taught, ruled, and sanctified by the Church's teaching authority (3) 

The heresy of Feeneyism is to be rejected because it logically argues, in its conclusions, that the Catholic Religion has defected in Her doctrines, disciplines and liturgy down through the centuries. Furthermore, it is absurd to believe that the Doctors, theologians, Popes, and Church Fathers, of the Holy Roman Faith, have all failed to timely condemn, through the use of the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium, the “pernicious error” of Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood. May the heretical children of Leonard Feeney, who follow these absurdities, be converted back to the One True Church through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God.

Our Lady, Destroyer of Heresies, pray for us.

Endnotes and Addendum

1.      New Catholic Dictionary, Soul of the Church definition (1929): "From the 16th century, the Catholic theologians expressed more definitely the theological doctrine of the distinction between the Soul and Body of the Church. . . This distinction. . . is formally expressed by Bellarmine in his study on the members of the Church. According to him, men belong to the Body of the Church by virtue of external profession of the faith, and participation in the sacraments, and to the Soul of the Church through the internal gifts of the Holy Ghost, faith, hope, and charity. He draws three general conclusions relative to the members of the Church. There are those: (a) Who belong always to both the Body and Soul of the Church; (b) Who belong to the Soul without belonging to the Body; (c) Who belong to the Body but not to the Soul. This teaching has generally been followed by Catholic theologians.”

2.     A Commentary on Canon Law, (Augustine, 1918, Canon 1323, pg 327) states: "The universal and ordinary magisterium consists of the entire episcopate, according to the constitution and order defined by Christ, i.e., all the bishops of the universal Church, dependently on the Roman Pontiff". It also states, "What the universal and approved practice and discipline proposes as connected with faith and morals must be believed. And what the Holy Fathers and the theologians hold unanimously as a matter of faith and morals, is also de fide."

3.     Pope Pius XII, Address to the Midwives, official allocution of the Roman Pontiff: “An act of love is sufficient for the adult to obtain sanctifying grace and to supply the lack of baptism; to the still unborn or newly born this way is not open.”

COUNCIL OF TRENT (1545-1563) Canons on the Sacraments in General (Canon 4): “If anyone shall say that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary for salvation, but are superfluous, and that although all are not necessary for every individual, without them or without the desire of them (sine eis aut eorum voto), through faith alone men obtain from God the grace of justification; let him be anathema.” (Emphasis added).

Decree on Justification (Session 6, Chapter 4): “In these words a description of the justification of a sinner is given as being a translation from that state in which man is born a child of the first Adam to the state of grace and of the ‘adoption of the Sons’ (Rom. 8:15) of God through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Savior and this translation after the promulgation of the Gospel cannot be effected except through the layer of regeneration or a desire for it, (sine lavacro regenerationis aut eius voto) as it is written: ‘Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit, he cannot enter in the kingdom of God’ (John 3:5).” (Emphasis added). 

 ST. ALPHONSUS LIGUORI (1691-1787) Moral Theology (Bk. 6): “But baptism of desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things accompanied by an explicit or implicit desire for true Baptism of water, the place of which it takes as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character or as to the removal of all debt of punishment. It is called “of wind [flaminis] because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost Who is called a wind [flamen]. Now it is de fide that men are also saved by Baptism of Desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam De Presbytero Non Baptizato and the Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 4, where it is said that no one can be saved “without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it.” (Emphasis added).

 1917 CODE OF CANON LAW Canon 737: “Baptism, the door and foundation of the Sacraments, in fact or at least in desire necessary unto salvation for all, is not validly conferred except through the ablution of true and natural water with the prescribed form of words.” (Emphasis added)

On Ecclesiastical Burial (Canon 1239. 2) “Catechumens who, through no fault of their own, die without Baptism, are to be treated as baptized.” — The Sacred Canons by Rev. John A. Abbo. St.T.L., J.C.D., and Rev. Jerome D. Hannan, A.M., LL.B., S.T.D., J.C.D. Commentary on the Code: “The reason for this rule is that they are justly supposed to have met death united to Christ through Baptism of Desire.”(Emphasis added). 


54 comments:

  1. Thank you for this post from An Anonymous Traditionalist. I started my path as a sedevacantist by visiting the Dimond brothers' website but I didn't know that their ideas about BOB and BOD were wrong. I don't go to them anymore. In such a matter and in these times of apostasy, we must always ask ourselves what the Church teaches and conform to it.

    God bless you Introibo !

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    1. Simon,
      I'm glad you liked the guest post! Not many make it out of the MHFM cult of Fred and Bobby; or if they do, they lose all faith. God saw you through to the One True Church! Deo Gratias!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. I know two people who, by the grace of God, have left the hideous cult of MHFM. One of them attends SSPX now, not sure of the other (I've lost contact with him since, but I think he was unfortunately considering the Eastern Schismatics)

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    3. @anon4:23
      Thank God they're away from Fred and Bobby. Let's hope the damage isn't so bad that they can find their way home to the True Catholic Church.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  2. Never in a million years did I imagine this would become such a hot button popular issue.
    Excellent article.
    God bless -Andrew

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    1. Andrew,
      Feeneyism is probably the biggest heresy going under the name "Catholic" outside the Vatican II sect (there are even "Vatican II sect Feeneyites!).

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  3. A serious question, not just an attack on them: What's with the attitude of Feeneyites? Why do they act so differently from other heretics? I'm talking about their their unique obstinacy, their unique fervor, and their eerie similarity (they talk in the same way [use of the word "liar", inability to use their own rhetoric, inability to use something other than Dimond rhetoric] and act in the same way).

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    1. @anon6:15
      You make an excellent observation; one that many notice--myself included. My friend Steve Speray said they have a "sickness of soul." I even wrote a post two years ago under that very title exposing how evil and sick Leonard Feeney was with a self-made "religious order" composed of married "nuns" and "brothers" who raised their children in a commune contrary to both Divine and Natural Law. Those 39 children were physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually abused. See http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2020/03/a-sickness-of-soul.html.

      Your calling their behavior "eerie" is spot on. There is something particularly pernicious about Feeneyites. Why? I don't know!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. The wicked apostate Steve Speray debated one of The Dimond Brothers some years back and was totally exposed for being an enemy of The Catholic Faith when he made one horrific contradictory statement after another to the point of demolishing his totally false position for all to witness. In this debate Speray compares Saint Paul’s conversion while he was alive and baptized, to Christopher Hitchens possibly being in the state of grace in the internal forum, or that Hitchens could have been enlightened at or after death, and might have been saved which goes against The Catholic Dogma that one must convert before death. Speray foolishly contradicts himself a few times when questioned about Hitchens and the internal/external forum and the state of Hitchens’ soul who was a a vile and unapologetic atheist who could not be internally Catholic while being an AntiCatholic debauched atheist in the external forum. Speray had quite a hard time in this discussion and was utterly incoherent throughout the debate. And later on, after losing this debate he was on The Catholic Family Podcast making excuses as to why his performance was so bad. He talked about how it was raining out, he was in the car, it was late, etc. etc. If the best defenders of BoD are Steve Speray and Introibo, we can all understand why so many are coming to The Truth that Outside The Catholic Church there is Absolutely No Salvation, and that BoD is a theory/opinion of a few theologians.

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    3. @anon11:02
      Steve Speray is no apostate, but a faithful Traditionalist Catholic. I had to laugh out loud when I read the typical Feeneyite nonsense.

      1. Feeneyites, including Fred and Bobby Dimond, will NEVER have a formal online debate. Feeneyites "bravely run away" every single time. Why? Because arguments can be careful examined and read by the debaters and any person who reads it thereafter. Some Gen Z Feeneyite made the mistake of challenging me here in the comments of this post:

      https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2024/01/human-origin.html?sc=1706845317019#c5330363909629117363

      You'll see a citationless regurgitation of Fred and Bobby's fallacies. Steve was brave to take them on where there can be great miscommunication. Steve's book "Baptism of Desire and of Blood" is first rate.

      2. If you want an online debate with me in a neutral forum, I accept. If the best you have are two pseudo-educated, make-believe "Benedictines" and an excommunicated priest who started a cult, abusing children, THAT is pathetic (and all you really do have).

      3. BOD and BOB are infallible dogma as per both the Extraordinary and UO Magisterium.

      4. If you consider EVERY SINGLE THEOLOGIAN SINCE TRENT to be "a few theologians" you're also bad at math!

      Finally, people join Fred and Bobby for the same reason many worship Adolph Hitler--a psychological need to be extreme, and a lack of knowledge.

      ---Introibo

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  4. Introibo, I've read a lot of your articles on Feeneyism. Can you talk about their "born again" argument?

    The argument is:

    (a) "For, in those who are born again, there is nothing that God hates; because, There is no condemnation to those who are truly buried together with Christ by baptism into death; who walk not according to the flesh, but, putting off the old man, and putting on the new who is created according to God, are made innocent, immaculate, pure, harmless, and beloved of God, heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ; so that there is nothing whatever to retard their entrance into heaven." (Council of Trent, Session V)

    (b) But BOD does not necessarily remit temporal punishment

    (c) Therefore, those with BOD are not born again

    (d) But "if they were not born again in Christ, they would never be justified" (Council of Trent, Session VI)

    (e) Therefore, those with BOD are not justified

    Thank you.

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    1. @anon6:38
      A brief observation: they never bring this up in response to BOB which DOES remit all sins, and therefore is an exception to Baptism of water.

      Being "born again" is the Grace of Baptism. You did an excellent job putting it in syllogistic form. Let me do the same:

      There is confusion on the meaning of the term "grace of Baptism."

      1. An adult who receives water baptism validly and who dies before committing a sin goes immediately to Heaven because the "grace of baptism" washes away all sin and all punishment due to sin.

      2. An adult who receives baptism of desire does not have all punishment due to sin washed away.

      3. Hence, an adult who receives baptism of desire is receiving something other than the "grace of baptism."

      4. Therefore, an adult who receives baptism of desire, is not actually receiving the "grace of baptism," and will not go to Heaven were he to die before receiving water baptism.

      It seems valid, but the problem lies in the term "grace of baptism" not being properly understood. The term applies to a bundle of gifts that the Sacrament alone gives to the recipient. Those gifts are:

      The infusion of sanctifying grace (which washes away all sin, both Original and actual [mortal and venial])

      The infusion of the three theological virtues (these actually never exist in a soul without sanctifying grace, but are distinct from sanctifying grace)

      The removal of all temporal punishment for sin

      The communication of the baptismal character on the soul which gives the soul a right to participate in the Church's sacramental life

      Incorporation into the Church (See theologian Ott, "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma" [1955], pgs. 350-360)

      BOD does not communicate "the bundle" that is always communicated via the "grace of baptism."
      BOD does communicate the first two items in the bundle, however, and as a consequence puts the recipient within the One True Church. So while it does not communicate "the grace of baptism," it communicates enough of the gifts included in the grace of baptism to justify. This is because justification consists simply in the existence of God's life in the soul and the habituation of the virtues of faith, hope, and charity. While it is true that a man who receives baptism of desire receives something other than the "grace of baptism" technically considered, the person who receives BOD does receive the justifying effects of baptism.

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    2. That the "bundle" exists is proven insofar as the Sacrament of Baptism can be validly received by someone in mortal sin who does not have at least attrition. In such a case the last two items (character and incorporation into the Church) but not the first three. The Sacrament would "revive" after reception by the person of a valid Confession.

      n revisiting the Feeneyite objection above, #4 does not logically follow from numbers 1-3. They actually beg the question when they assert "BOD does not communicate the grace of baptism," because they are really saying, "BOD is not the same as being justified by water baptism. Water baptism is the only way to be justified. Therefore, BOD does not justify." The whole point of dispute is whether water baptism (the sacrament) is the only way to be justified, and they gratuitously assume it to be true in making their objection to BOD.

      Finally, there is the condemned proposition #31 of Michael du Bay (Condemned in the decree Ex omnibus afflicionibus of Pope St. Pius V on October 1, 1567) which states:

      CONDEMNED: Perfect and sincere charity, which is from a "pure heart and good conscience and a faith not feigned" [1 Timothy 1:5], can be in catechumens as well as in penitents without the remission of sins.

      So a catechumen can have perfect and sincere charity which necessitates the remission of sin. It says nothing about the remission of temporal punishments. BOB, on the other hand, is considered by theologians as removing all temporal punishments. This is most likely because death in the service of Christ is a kind of penance whereby those debts are remitted. Such a penitent type of willful surrender of one's life to Christ is different than a catechumen who has a heart attack or a car accident causing death prior to Baptism.

      Hope this helped!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. Thank you for the reply.

      So those who receive BOD are not born again?

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    4. @anon9:44
      As I wrote above:
      “ While it is true that a man who receives baptism of desire receives something other than the "grace of baptism" technically considered, the person who receives BOD does receive the justifying effects of baptism.”

      By receiving the justifying effects of baptism they are “born again.”

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    5. What about the Council of Trent's "if they were not born again in Christ, they would never be justified" (Session VI)?

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    6. @anon4:34
      What about it? The infusion of sanctifying Grace effectuates it as I already stated. Proof: If a person validly received baptism, but had no attrition for sin, their sins would remain but they would get the character of baptism and incorporation into the Church. Later, they confess and receive grace BUT NOT FULL REMISSION FOR TEMPORAL PUNISHMENT.

      According to Feeneyites, this validly baptized person was not “born again” according to their logic. Therefore, even baptism with water cannot get you to Heaven even if in the state of grace because you did not get “born again” as interpreted by THEM.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    7. I think you're right: According to them, this validly baptized person is not born again and is not justified, because he didn't have attrition for sin.

      Shouldn't we also agree that this validly baptized person is not born again? As you stated, their sins remained.

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    8. @anon7:52
      I agree the validly baptized person in the above scenario would not be "born again" since he has no sanctifying grace. Upon his confession and valid absolution, he would be born again even if temporal punishments remain. Trent does not mean what the Feeneyites think it does.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    9. I think also, that BOD does not confect a sacrament. Only water can do that. It does not give sacramental grace. But gives remission of sin. This spells it out.

      https://archive.org/details/ManualOfChristianDoctrine1910/page/400/mode/2up?q=baptism+

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  5. I've argued this point with the Dimonds before. No response so far as I recall (this was some years ago). I also disagreed with them on whether the 1952 Consecration of Russia by Pius XII actually fulfilled the Fatima request (they believe it did). Other than that, they seem to have everything else correct.

    It ought not to be such a great leap for them to recant this error.

    In your response to Andrew, you mentioned "Vatican II sect Feeneyites". I have trouble picturing this phenomenon, as if it is a square circle.

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    1. cairsahr__stjoseph
      Fred and Bobby have many things wrong--and it only takes one drop of poison to destroy an otherwise refreshing glass of water! MHFM also calls the title "Co-Redemptrix" applied to Our Lady as "heretical," which it is clearly not.

      Unfortunately, apart from a miracle of grace, I don't see Fred and Bobby giving up Feeneyism anymore than Jehovah's Witnesses will accept blood transfusions. They built their cult-empire on Feeneyism.

      As to Vatican II Feeneyites, they are real! It may strike many as strange, that a sect which proclaims universal (or near universal) salvation outside itself, would be home to those who hold the heretical views of Feeney where almost no one gets to Heaven. The Vatican II sect will tolerate anything except the Truth! The false popes and their teachings are a bundle of contradictions. Many who follow Francis and Vatican II refer to the Feeneyite heresy as "the restrictive interpretation" as opposed to the "liberal interpretation" (universal salvation where everyone becomes an "anonymous Christian" as per the heretic Fr. Karl Rahner). Notice the CORRECT interpretation is jettisoned. One of the biggest apologists for the Vatican II sect, Pete Vere, employed by them as a "canon lawyer," has defended the Feeneyite position as acceptable to be held by "Catholics"(!)

      According to Vere:

      "What of those, like the spiritual descendants of Fr. Feeney, who hold to a more restrictive understanding on these issues? Are they Catholics in good standing with the Church? The answer is yes for a number of reasons:

      1) There is no question Fr. Feeney died in full communion with the Catholic Church. Pope Paul VI lifted Father’s excommunication while Father was still alive, and there is no evidence that Father recanted his understanding of EENS, BOB, or BOD. The actual lifting of Father’s excommunication was executed by Fr. Richard Shmaruk, a priest of the Boston Archdiocese, on behalf of Bishop Bernard Flanagan of Worcester. While visiting Boston about ten years ago, I spoke with Fr. Shmaruk and he personally corroborated the events that led to him reconciling Fr. Feeney with the Church.On pages 259 to 262 of his book They Fought the Good Fight, Brother Thomas Mary Sennott diligently chronicles the reconciliation of Fr. Feeney, as well as the subsequent reconciliation of several of Father’s spiritual descendants. Brother Sennott quotes from two respectable Catholic news sources (The Advocate and the Catholic Free Press). I have independently confirmed the quotations and context of the primary sources.


      Brother Sennottt also notes that Father’s memorial mass was celebrated by Bishop Bernard Flanagan in the Cathedral of St. Paul, Worcester. This would have given rise to scandal had Father not been fully reconciled with the Church. Br. Sennott’s book received an imprimi potest from Bishop Timothy Harrington of the Diocese of Worcester, meaning the book is free from doctrinal or moral error. Thus unless one is willing to declare oneself sedevacantist or sedeprivationist, the evidence is overwhelming that Fr. Feeney died in full communion with the Church without recanting his position..."

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. It is the same accursed sect which declares that Luther is a witness of the Gospel and that he was not mistaken. In other words, it is the Catholic Church that was wrong. It's evil !

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    3. Oh, I've forgotten about their rejection of Mediatrix and Co-Redemptrix. Those were supposed to be proposed to the Council before it was cancelled by Roncalli and/or his cohorts.

      It is a strange phenomenon, but very revealing, that only the true Catholic position (in between the two heresies as it were) on the matter is jettisoned. Evading true Catholic doctrine is the science and the art of the V2 sect.

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  6. xtra prayers for my granny she is nearing death

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    1. @anon8:19
      Your granny remains in my prayers as she nears death, and I ask all my readers to pray for her as well.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Grannies first name?

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  7. This is a most excellent posting.

    "the substance of this error condemns the very salvation of those souls united to the soul of the Holy Roman Catholic Church (1) , outside of which there is no salvation."

    New Catholic Dictionary, Soul of the Church definition (1929): "From the 16th century, the Catholic theologians expressed more definitely the theological doctrine of the distinction between the Soul and Body of the Church. . . This distinction. . . is formally expressed by Bellarmine in his study on the members of the Church. According to him, men belong to the Body of the Church by virtue of external profession of the faith, and participation in the sacraments, and to the Soul of the Church through the internal gifts of the Holy Ghost, faith, hope, and charity. He draws three general conclusions relative to the members of the Church. There are those: (a) Who belong always to both the Body and Soul of the Church; (b) Who belong to the Soul without belonging to the Body; (c) Who belong to the Body but not to the Soul. This teaching has generally been followed by Catholic theologians.”

    Belonging to the "soul" of the Church is only correct by analogy. Obviously the Holy Ghost is the Soul of the Church.

    Bellarmine's "unfortunate paragraph" has been interpreted in a way that he did not intend. If you read his writings on this is he speaks of "as it were" the soul of the Church. He was taken literally by theologians when he did not mean it literally as is conveyed in his other writings where he makes the distinction between the inner and outer bonds of unity.

    The danger of saying one is united to the "soul" of the Church makes it seem as if the Church is not a corporate being animated by the Holy Ghost. As if its parameters are not clearly defined. As if there is a spiritual aspect of it that expands beyond its body. And worse than all as if one can be a "member" of the soul of the Church without being a member of its body. This is not the case. It is better to say that these souls "die within the Church" with an efficacious or salvific desire rather than claim they were attached to the "soul" of the Church. Bellarmine's teaching on the topic, if correctly understood would substantiate that.

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    1. John Gregory,
      Your explanation is flawless. I agree and use the theologically most precise terminology of dying "within the Church" and in the state of grace.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. My Friend, good to "see" you again. Keep up your great work!!! May God bless you and Our Lady keep you, now and forever.

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    3. What?? How is this a flawless explanation?

      There is nothing wrong with saying that one is "united to the soul of the Church". That phrase is even used in the Catechism of St. Pius X.

      What's wrong is to say that one can be a MEMBER of the soul of the Church. Bodies have members (hands, feet, etc.), but souls do not.

      You may want to read John Daly's excellent book (endorsed by Novus Ordo Watch) against SSPX star apologist Michael Davies: "Michael Davies - An Evaluation" (https://novusordowatch.org/wp-content/uploads/michael-davies-evaluation.pdf)

      Here is an excerpt:

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      Moreover, it is even permissible to say of a pious catechumen, for instance, who is in the state of
      grace but not yet baptized, that he is in the soul of the Church without being actually within her body. For such an individual would, as we have seen, be within the external Church “in voto” – by desire – but not actually; whereas he would belong to the soul of the Church, i.e. would possess the life of sanctifying grace, as “actually” as would the pope himself if the pope were in a state of grace.

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      Also, please read this excerpt from the Catechism of St. Pius X:

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      22 Q. In what does the Soul of the Church consist?
      A. The Soul of the Church consists in her internal and spiritual endowments, that is, faith, hope, charity, the gifts of grace and of the Holy Ghost, together with all the heavenly treasures which are hers through the merits of our Redeemer, Jesus Christ, and of the Saints.

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    4. anon9:37
      I never said that the “soul of the Church” explanation was erroneous or heretical. If it were I never would have published this post.

      Theologians writing after Feeney we’re looking for simple and concise explanations of BOD. I agree with John Gregory that to say someone died within the Church in the state of sanctifying Grace is more concise, precise, and less subject to confusion—-in my opinion.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    5. These are good reads on the topic from Monsignor Joseph Clifford Fenton:

      installment 80: Father Fenton's "The Use of the Terms Body and Soul with Reference to the Catholic Church"

      http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/13Jul/jul3ftt.htm

      There is much more where that come from on that precise topic if anyone is interested.

      Also this is very good in explaining the source of the confusion from the time of Bellarmine to the time of Feeney:

      http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/13Jul/jul17ftt.htm

      This are really worth the read for anyone who is interested in this topic. Which will be a topic of interest as long as bobby and freddy are around. Thanks to Feeney this topic really got fleshed out. And thanks to Pope Pius XII of course.


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  8. Anything involving C. Coloumbe: RUN, RUN, RUN. The man is nuts!

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    1. @anon4:20
      Well, he is a Feeneyite (and was into the occult), so you can't expect sanity!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  9. "Feast Day of St. Agatha, Virgin and Martyr, 4th of February"

    I thought St. Agatha was 5th of February?

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    1. You're right, Hans. The feast of St. Agatha indeed falls on the 5th of February (as per Dom Gaspar Lefebvre's Daily Missal Imprim. 1931).

      God Bless,
      Joanna S.

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  10. Bishop Webster said you are all outside the church and on the road to hell.Who are his clerics?

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    1. @anon5:58
      "Bp." Neal Webster (doubtfully ordained and consecrated) can't even correctly follow and pronounce the necessary Latin form to consecrate Fr. Pheiffer of te "SSPX-Resistance." (See https://novusordowatch.org/2020/07/neal-webster-fails-at-joseph-pfeiffer-consecration/).

      His "clerics" are no doubt as dubious and ignorant as himself (whoever they are), so before he condemns people to Hell, perhaps he should get the bare essentials correct first.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Why is Bp.Webster doubtfully Ordained/Consecrated?
      -Andrew

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    3. Andrew,
      According to Novus Ordo Watch there was a problem with his priestly ordination which was never corrected. Since it is dubious that a non-priest can be consecrated a bishop, his episcopal consecration become equally dubious. I trust the great reporting of NOW.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  11. Introibo and you other goofs.By the authority of Saints Peter and Paul,our Lady and all the Saints,I condemn you all to the pit of Hell.Your writings are just trash.You are all self rightous b******s
    The true servant of God-Brother Richard Joseph Michael Ibranyi

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    1. This is probably someone pretending to be Ibranyi; I published the comment after censoring the vulgarity. On the off chance it really is him, I find it more than amusing that a delusional Vacancy-pushing cult-leader (who thinks the last pope was in 1130 AD) would comment here.

      His cult is in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. Ironically, he has spurned the Truth, and unless he repents, will suffer everlasting consequences.

      ---Introibo

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    2. So poorly written. Why, for example, would anyone mention "Saints Peter and Paul" before "our Lady"?

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    3. Personally don't think Michael Ibranyi would post a comment like this,especially being so poorly written.
      Someone is trolling and it's eerie how random individuals can pretend to be you,trash your character,and morals.
      I don't subscribe to their beliefs however it's my belief Pius XII lost his office 1956. You can call me a vacancy pusher but,it's 2 yrs,not 9 centuries earlier. God bless -Andrew

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  12. In your charity please pray for the Soul of Fr.Pius Poff.
    Ordained 1961 died March 16 2022.
    Thank you God bless -Andrew

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    1. Andrew,
      Will pray for Father and ask all my readers to do the same.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. What did he do?

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    3. He was a validly Ordained Priest and died very suddenly.
      Pray for his Soul.
      -Andrew

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  13. Catholic Family Podcast on YouTube is a newer traditional Catholic channel hosted by CMRI faithful.(mainly)
    They interview Priests,faithful,and cover a wide variety of subjects.

    Cannot agree w the CMRI using 1958 Missal however as Bishop Pivarunas recently stated,traditional Catholics of all persuasions need to unify and work together. Check it out.

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    1. @anon9:58
      Thank you for the information!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  14. Introbio,
    In the textbook "Sacrae Theologiae Summa. IB. On the Church of Christ and on Holy Scripture" it is stated:
    “Thesis 11. From the demonstrated divine institution and perpetuity of the Church, of the Hierarchy and of the Primacy it is inferred: that the Roman-Catholic Church alone is the true Church of Christ. […]
    496. Theological note. Therefore the doctrine of the thesis is a conclusion deduced from the preceding theses as theologically certain; but from the Magisterium of the Church it is at least Catholic doctrine.” (pp. 183-184)
    How would you answer the charge that because this truth is not dogma de fide divina et catholica (it was not unchangeable) then Vatican II could have changed this truth to and could have developed is understanding to "subsistit in"? It would then follow that the ecclesiology of Vatican II is an error in catholic doctrine, not a heresy (for this truth is "Catholic doctrine" and not "de fide catholica").
    Thank you for your reply and I apologize for any translation errors.

    God Bless,
    Paweł

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    1. Pawel,
      Vatican II explicitly denies the UNITY of the Church which is DE Fide from the Creed: "I believe in ONE...Church." The So the heresy is not really WHETHER the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church but HOW it is such. It's heretical to think the Church of Christ can exist in false sects and that there's "partial communion." It denies the unicity of the Church as She has always taught.

      True development of dogma is a deeper understanding of what came before, not a complete abandonment for a contradictory proposition--that's Modernism's conception condemned by Pope St. Pius X. Also, it is wrong that because something is not de fide it can change. Prior to the dogmatic definition of the Immaculate Conception in 1854, it was not a doctrine "up for grabs" that could be changed in 1853--there's a lot more that could be said, but it would take a post to do so (which I might at a future date).

      Hope this helped!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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