Monday, May 9, 2022

The Authority Of Papal Allocutions

 

The popes of the early 20th century began giving radio addresses, allocutions, and the like. What are the doctrinal implications of such speeches? Feeneyites claim that nothing  outside ex cathedra pronouncements are of any importance and they scoff at such papal talks. In 1951, Pope Pius XII made an Address to Italian Midwives in which he stated the truth of Baptism of Desire:

But, nevertheless, the state of grace at the moment of death is absolutely necessary for salvation. Without it, it is not possible to attain supernatural happiness, the beatific vision of God. An act of love can suffice for an adult to obtain sanctifying grace and supply for the absence of baptism; for the unborn child or for the newly-born, this way is not open. (Emphasis mine).

Feeneyites whine, "It's not infallible!" Likewise, apologists for the Vatican II sect will deny that Bergoglio is guilty of heresy when he says, "Proselytism is solemn nonsense," because it was not "official teaching." This post will focus on the authority of the pope to bind Catholics in allocutions, and the logical corollaries that flow from it.

  The Use of Allocutions by Pope Pius XII
Pope Pius XII, the last true pope of the Catholic Church before the Great Apostasy, used allocutions the most, as different mediums of communication were coming out. During his reign (1939-1958), he made (excluding canonizations) two ex cathedra pronouncements, one of which was Munificentissimus Deus, defining the dogma of the Assumption of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, body and soul, into Heaven. Most theologians consider Sacramentum Ordinis of 1947 to have been infallible, as it settled what constituted the exact matter and form for all three grades of Holy Orders, and had the definitive language of binding Catholics forever on the subject. 

What is the doctrinal value of non-infallible decrees, when the Ordinary Magisterium makes a pronouncement? Here is an important citation from the encyclical Humani Generis (1950):

Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me;" and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians. (para. #20; Emphasis mine). 

In his treatise "Authentic Teaching of the Magisterium," theologian Cotter teaches:

The Pope [Pius XII] has no doubt that those Catholic theologians whom he has in mind throughout the encyclical [Humani Generis] are willing to abide by the definitive decisions of the Magisterium, those handed down, solemni iudicio, They are neither heretics nor schismatics. But he complains that they ignore papal pronouncements that come to them with less authority, such as encyclicals. If reputable theologians have disagreed in the past, that assume that nothing less than a solemn definition can settle the matter; and as long as none such is forthcoming, everyone is presumed free to construe papal documents according to his own interpretation of Tradition.

In reply, the Pope reminds them that encyclicals, besides often containing matters of dogma, may intend to settle points hitherto disputed, and that such decisions demand of themselves a positive assent on the part of the faithful, theologians included. In issuing them the popes exercise what is technically known as the Ordinary or Authentic Magisterium, of which it is true to say: "He that heareth you, heareth Me."
(As cited in Contemporary Moral Theology, [1962], 1:24-26). 

Theologian Cotter notes, though the papal statement refers primarily to encyclicals, it is not restricted to these. Rather, it covers the whole range of what is called the "Ordinary Magisterium" of the Holy Father. Everything that has been said, therefore, could apply to the papal radio messages and allocutions; yet, since these have played such a prominent part in papal teaching (especially under Pope Pius XII), they merit special attention. Pope Pius XII himself, made it strikingly clear that his discourses, even when given to small groups, can contain authoritative teaching for the whole Church. 

In his radio message on the education of the Christian conscience, Pope Pius XII said:

Mindful, however, of the right and duty of the Apostolic See to intervene authoritatively, when the need arises, in moral questions, in the address of 29th October last we set out to enlighten men's consciences on the problems of married life. With the self-same authority we declare today to educators and to young people also that the divine commandment of purity of soul and body still holds without any lesser obligation for the youth of today. 

According to theologian Hurth (consultor to the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office and a staunch anti-Modernist) papal radio addresses and allocutions have the same doctrinal value as encyclicals: they are an integral part of the ordinary teaching of the pope; and, as such, though not infallible, they require both internal and external acceptance. (Ibid, pg. 26). 

Catholics Must Assent To Non-Infallible Teachings
Having shown that even allocutions are part of the "Ordinary Magisterium of the Holy Father," some pose the objection that  this is an "invention" of theologians. They have the temerity to claim that there is no positive duty to accept non-infallible teachings of the Church. Here's what the popes themselves have taught:

Pope Leo XIII:
In defining the limits of the obedience owed to the pastors of souls, but most of all to the authority of the Roman Pontiff, it must not be supposed that it is only to be yielded in relation to dogmas of which the obstinate denial cannot be disjoined from the crime of heresy. Nay, further, it is not enough sincerely and firmly to assent to doctrines which, though not defined by any solemn pronouncement of the Church, are by her proposed to belief, as divinely revealed, in her common and universal teaching, and which the [1870] Vatican Council declared are to be believed “with Catholic and divine faith.” But this likewise must be reckoned amongst the duties of Christians, that they allow themselves to be ruled and directed by the authority and leadership of bishops, and, above all, of the Apostolic See.
(See Sapientiae Christianae, para. #24; Emphasis mine). 

Pope Pius IX:
Nor can we pass over in silence the audacity of those who, not enduring sound doctrine, contend that “without sin and without any sacrifice of the Catholic profession assent and obedience may be refused to those judgments and decrees of the Apostolic See, whose object is declared to concern the Church’s general good and her rights and discipline, so only it does not touch the dogmata of faith and morals.” But no one can be found not clearly and distinctly to see and understand how grievously this is opposed to the Catholic dogma of the full power given from God by Christ our Lord Himself to the Roman Pontiff of feeding, ruling and guiding the Universal Church.
(See Quanta Cura, para. #5; Emphasis mine).

Pope Pius XI:
Wherefore, let the faithful also be on their guard against the overrated independence of private judgment and that false autonomy of human reason. For it is quite foreign to everyone bearing the name of a Christian to trust his own mental powers with such pride as to agree only with those things which he can examine from their inner nature, and to imagine that the Church, sent by God to teach and guide all nations, is not conversant with present affairs and circumstances; or even that they must obey only in those matters which she has decreed by solemn definition as though her other decisions might be presumed to be false or putting forward insufficient motive for truth and honesty. Quite to the contrary, a characteristic of all true followers of Christ, lettered or unlettered, is to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff, who is himself guided by Jesus Christ Our Lord.
(See Casti Connubii, para. #104; Emphasis mine). 

Practical Consequences

1. Feeneyites and "Recognize and Resistors:" You must accept all that the Church teaches and submit to it--even in an address to midwives explaining Baptism of Desire, or even when "Pope" Francis, whom you accept as Vicar of Christ tells you "There is no Catholic God." 

2. Vatican II apologists: The Vatican II sect must give credence to Bergoglio's rantings that "There is no Catholic God," "Proselytism is solemn nonsense," and "Even atheists can go to Heaven." These statements are a denial of the Catholic Church as the One True Church, outside of which there is no salvation. It also denies faith as necessary for salvation. 

The Dreaded "S-Word:" The last line of defense for those listed above is to exclaim, "He was only speaking as a private theologian!" However, that brings them to a place they don't want to be. As St. Alphonsus Liguori teaches: "If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate.”(See Oeuvres Complètes. 9:232; Emphasis mine). The Feeneyite, when confronted with the Address to the Italian Midwives, must conclude Pope Pius XII wasn't pope, as he professed the "heresy" of Baptism of Desire as a private theologian. The R&R and Vatican II apologist must realize Bergoglio cannot be pope also for professing heresy. Welcome to sedevacantism. 

Conclusion

The Church is our sure guide in life. Even allocutions have doctrinal value that cannot be dismissed. In the theological periodical Clergy Review, theologian Smith summed it up well:

Catholics are bound to believe what the Church teaches. To refuse the assent of divine-Catholic faith to a dogma is to be a heretic; to refuse the assent of ecclesiastical faith to a doctrine which the Church teaches as belonging indirectly to the deposit of faith is to be more or less near to heresy; to refuse internal religious assent to the non-infallible doctrinal decisions of the Holy See is to fail in that submission which Catholics are strictly bound to render to the teaching authority of the Church.(Emphasis mine).

62 comments:

  1. Thanks for this post. This means that we must accept the doctrine of the Co-Redemption of the Most Holy Virgin Mary, even if it is not a dogma, because the true Popes have spoken about it. It also means that those who recognize Bergoglio as pope must accept his foolishness, such as his denials of Catholic dogma and doctrine, without argument.

    https://novusordowatch.org/2019/12/francis-denies-coredemption/

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    1. Simon,
      If Bergoglio is your pope, your "God" isn't Catholic!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. I pity the R&R people. They want the good of the Church but they do it a disservice by wanting to accommodate the V2 sect.

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  2. I love this article. I can't praise it enough. Short, sweet, and to the point. As Emeril Lagasse would say: BAM!

    Here is a fresh podcast to add on to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RipkegOa_Bg&t=2253s

    Lee

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    1. Lee,
      Thank you my friend! I urge everyone to watch the great podcast to which Lee links us; it is a discussion on Feeneyism by my good friend, Steve Speray! Steve even mentions this blog!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. I splattered this all over Dimonds youtube in the comments. They just deleted every one. This book was approved to be taught in schools, and refutes everything.
      https://archive.org/details/ManualOfChristianDoctrine1910/page/400/mode/2up

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    3. Awesome OZSON. Thank you for sharing.

      Yes, the Dimondbacks can only afford to create a one dimensional viewpoint and this is why they delete your comments, call people randomly for a "debate," and do videos on from their vantage point. It's all about optics and they know deep down that this sways the average people. The Church however is solemnly against them and Leonard Feeney.

      What is really sick is how some Feeneyites are not sedevacantist and yet their Church (under Francis) believes differently than them not only on Baptism but on Ecumenism altogether. How messed up is that? They belong to a heretical Church, yet act as if they are some sort of guardians of the galaxy by defending EENS when they can't even get that right.

      Take care,

      Lee

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  3. I agree with Lee,just excellent.

    Introibo.I have a question of the vocation to the married vocation.When you met your future wife,did you know in your heart straight away that she was the one whom God has called to come into your life.I have met someone who is a good Traditional Catholic and just know we are to be married.How long after meeting your future wife did you get engaged and how long till you got married?

    I am 42 and never thought I would ever met a good man.I know we should trust God and our Blesed Mother.We should have the supernatural viewpoint in all things.I look forward to your reply.

    Your sister in Christ,Anna

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    1. Anna,
      I (literally) bumped into my wife while at an art museum here in New York, one Sunday after returning from Mass. We wound up talking for five hours and shutting the place down! I knew she was special--different from any/every women I had ever met. I knew very soon after, she was the one for me.

      I proposed three months after our first date, and we were married just under one year later. (I was in my 40s as well). When you are in your 40s, you have enough life experience to know when it's right for you. Don't second guess yourself, just move forward in prayer and good judgement.

      I'm very happy for you! Getting married to my wife was one of the best decisions of my life, for which I have no regrets at all! You will be in my prayers.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. May God bless your marriage ! I'm still single at 45, but if I'm going to stay that way, so be it. Celibacy has its advantages, as St. Paul points out in 1 Corinthians.

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    3. Introibo - just out of curiosity - was your wife a Traditionalist when you first met her or did she convert?

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    4. Simon,
      The single vocation is most noble and superior to the married state. See my post:
      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2020/12/single-minded-devotion.html.

      @anon5:23
      My wife was not Traditionalist or Vatican II sect. We were married under the provisions of Canon Law (1917). She swore to, and signed, the promises required by the One True Church, and we were married by a Traditionalist priest.

      She enjoyed going to Mass with me, wanted to learn how to pray the Rosary, and would often proof-read my posts when she had time (She is a high-powered professional with a busy schedule).

      She was "too good" at keeping her promises. She once reminded me, right before taking a bite of my roast beef sandwich, "You can't eat that, it's Friday!" She had developed a devotion to Our Lady of Perpetual Help, and placed a picture of her over our bed. She also became devoted to the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus.

      Need I say converting wasn't far off from that point? She's a better person than me! (And says I should keep trying to convert others with my blog).

      God Bless you both,

      ---Introibo

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    5. Nice, what a story. Started off not a Traditionalist, and thene eventually she became one! The grace of God was working well with her. Very edifying to read that you were instrumental in bringing her to the Faith. Thank you for sharing.

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    6. Thank you for the link, Introïbo. I have already read this post but it is good to remember certain notions, especially when you are in my situation.

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    7. What was special/different about your future wife that you saw.Did you see chemistry/attraction straight away when you saw her looking at you.

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    8. @anon8:06
      What was different about my wife was her compassion and humility. For someone more educated and accomplished than me, she was strictly focused on helping others, and she was never haughty despite numerous achievements. I could tell she had a heart of gold from the first time we met and spoke 5 hours plus!

      My wife is beautiful and I was attracted to her right away. However, it was the beauty inside that grabbed me. I had dated a runway model some years ago, who quickly became ugly to me as she revealed who she was inside.

      Sounds corny, but what's on the inside is what lasts, what you get, and what matters. It makes you attracted above and beyond looks. Of course, there needs to be some basic attraction at least, but don't base a relationship on it. You'll regret it.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  4. Good article Introbio Malleus Feenyorum

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    1. Thanks Ryan! "I will go"...unto the destruction of Feeneyism! Lol

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. You know Introbio, I had forgotten that “Introbio” was Latin 😂

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    3. @anon1:53
      It's become my name so it can be easy to overlook! Lol

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  5. Awesome article! This and Novus Ordo Watch are two of the best websites out there. There is information in this article, related to the topic, that some readers might find interesting http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/13Jul/jul24ftt.htm

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    1. John Gregory,
      Excellent article, my friend! You are a fine writer; thank you for sharing!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thank you Introibo. God bless you!

      John

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  6. Can a woman wear a squared shirt?

    Is cross-dressing a mortal sin?

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    1. I'm not an expert. But I would ask myself if it is right? Is it prudent? Is it proper? Will it give scandal? Would Our Lady do it? Is there enough watering down the boundaries as is without traditional Catholics partaking of it or even appearing to partake of it. The fact that you even ask would seem that perhaps it would be best to take the safe route which does not leave you wondering. No woman would ask if it is mortal sin to wear a modest dress right?

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    2. @anon9:54
      I'm in basic agreement with John Gregory. For an in-depth look at Church teaching on the issue, please see my post:
      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-disregarded-virtue.html.

      As to cross-dressing, it is permissible to cross dress for a play, as was the case in the Middle Ages, when men played all the roles--including the roles of females. Most cross-dressers do so because they either (a) fancy themselves members of the opposite sex ["transgender" in a more mild form], or (b) received sexual pleasure from dressing that way. In either case, it would be sinful, and psychological help as well as spiritual guidance would be needed.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  7. Introibo, perhaps even more importantly than the "Feeneyite" error---which, truth be told, is largely an American phenomenon, is the last part of Pius XII's quote; namely, "...for the unborn child or for the newly-born, this way is not open." Murder of the born "abortion", deprives a child of a right to life on earth AND eternal life, the Beatific Vision.

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    1. David,
      You are correct that abortion robs both life and the eternal glory of Heaven which is why murder (especially this kind) is one of the Four Sins That Scream To Heaven For Vengeance. While Feeneyism used to be almost exclusively an American phenomenon (as you rightly pointed out), is it much less so now, unfortunately.

      Fred and Bobby Dimond have peddled this poison to the world especially with the advent of the Internet. So sad that so many souls are getting lost through them.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Have you good people seen the shocking video on youtube by the Dimonds on the death of Bishop Daniel Dolan.These two are evil.Shame on them.They have no authority to say these things.God have mercy on them.

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    3. Anonymous 8:02

      Don't worry about the Dimonds. They will one day find out how wrong they were on their particular judgement and so will their possessed followers. A majority of them are lunatics while a small percentage of them are deceived. It's just the way it is. Remember the devil shall transform himself into an angel of light in order to deceive the elect.

      Lee

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    4. Thank you Lee.Sound advice.Yes,their followers are lunatics.Which part of the US are you?I live in Spokane,WA and attend Mt St Michaels.

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    5. @anon8:02
      It has always been Catholic teaching that we cannot say for certain (apart from a special revelation from God, and not binding on anyone except the recipient) that any particular individual is in Hell--except for Judas Iscariot, the traitor.

      Even if, ad arguendo, Baptism of Desire is "heresy," how would Fred and Bobby know whether of Not Bp. Dolan repented by an act of contrition prior to death? They are anything BUT "Catholic."

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  8. Introibo correct.The Dimonds are just poison.

    Those two defunct(thank God) sites PL/Lay Pulpit were just evil too.The garbage that Bishop Dolan was ordained with one hand was a joke.The sad thing was this was started back in 1990 by the then Father Kelly.If it was such a problem for Father Kelly then why did he allow Father Dolan to work in the SSPV for years.I believe it was just a power game because he knew Father Dolan and Father Cekada would take many faithful with them which they did.It is the same thing with the Kelly/SSPV view that CMRI was/is a Old Catholic Sect.

    I agree with John Gregory.This is one of the best sites.Keep writing brother.I have told many to read your writings

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    1. @anon6:57
      You are 100% correct about PL/Lay Pulpit, and the unfortunate situation with Bp. Kelly. The letter claiming "one-handed ordination" (which would not affect validity anyway) by the SSPV was signed EVEN BY PRIESTS THAT WERE NOT THERE. Not one of their shining moments.

      Thank you for your kind words--they keep me writing!!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  9. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251201/report-former-hong-kong-bishop-cardinal-zen-arrested

    Pray for him, Introibo and friends.

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    1. Jacinto,
      Let's also pray for the destruction of Communism and all, like Zen who are its victims.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  10. Hi Introibo,can you answer my question about when you first met your future wife May 10th 8.06PM.

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    1. @anon3:43
      Sure! I'll Answer above where you put your comment May 10, 8:06. I always respond to questions, life just keeps me from doing it right away! See above!

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thank you I understand,As to the Dimonds.Another lunatic is the cult leader in New Mexico who is I understand is writing his version of the Bible.Please good people keep away.Listen to the sound Catholic views of Introibo.

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    3. Richard Ibranyi, formerly with the Dimonds, is the lunatic in NM who pushes the time of the vacancy to 1130 AD!

      Thank you for commenting, my friend!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  11. Have a question regarding bishop Kelly.Introibo when you were attending the SSPV in New York,did you ever meet and talk to him?

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    1. @anon5:18
      No. He is the only Bishop of the SSPV I never met personally. Fr. DePauw was not a fan of his for personal reasons, but he agreed with most of what he did for the Faith.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  12. Regarding Feeneyism, there is a book out which talk about one woman's experience growing up inside of St. Benedict from a child until she was 18 years old. Frankly, the book is fascinating; it was hard for me to put down. It is called "Little Sister: a Memoir". The author details her life in St. Benedict center; and you get to know Fr. Feeney and Catherine Goddard Clarke, the latter being the real leader of that group.

    This book is not a "mommy dearest", nor is it a defense of their beliefs---neither in the least; but it is a highly compelling read.

    The book would be fascinating for Catholics, Novus Ordo members, Jews, and all other non-Catholics alike.

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    1. @anon12:56
      That book by Patricia Walsh Chadwick, was one of the 39 children abused by Feeney's cult. I read the book, and if you can get a copy, read he book "Walled In: The True Story of a Cult" was authored by Robert Colopy under the pen name "Robert Conner." He, too, was one of the 39.

      I have a section about Feeney's cult of horrors in my post:
      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2020/03/a-sickness-of-soul.html

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Introibo, I'm the Anonymous who wrote about Walsh's book. I found a copy of the book you referenced on ebay, and I just ordered it. Thanks, Introibo.

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  13. May 12, 2022 @ 12:56 pm *which talks...[pardon my typo, Introibo]

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  14. If you have to give full assent to every non infallible address, then do you go with the most recent address in the case of contradiction?

    If something is not infallible then by definition it must be fallible. If a council corrects an earlier council does this not show it is possible to modify things not infallibly defined?

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    1. @anon5:19
      Pre-Vatican II, popes chose their words carefully. As explained above, addresses have the authority of an encyclical. What did Pope Pius XII teach about encyclicals? Citing "Humani Generis" above:

      "...generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine." That's exactly what Pope Pius XII was doing in his Address to Italian Midwives---discussing Baptism of Desire, already defined by Trent and the Universal Ordinary Magisterium.

      Again from Humani Generis:
      "But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians."

      Hence, it is not a contradiction to e.g., decide that Mary died before she was Assumed into Heaven, as Pope Pius XII specifically refrained from deciding that matter in his dogmatic definition. Had we had a real pope after Pope Pius XII, settling a matter for or against Mary dying prior to the Assumption is not a contradiction, merely ending debate on a question that was open to theological discussion.

      One of the canards used against sedevacantism, is that Pope John XXII (1316-1334) taught heresy as a private theologian while pope yet is recognized as a true pope by the Church. Pope John preached a series of sermons in Avignon, France in which he taught that the souls of the deceased who die in sanctifying grace do not see God until after the Last Judgement. Two points: (1) the matter was open to debate when he gave that talk and would not be defined in favor of the opposite position (they do enter the Beatific Vision) until after Pope John's death. As such, it could not constitute heresy. (2) Pope John made it clear that HE DID NOT INTEND TO SETTLE THE MATTER.

      As to matters not involving Faith and/or morals, popes (who must ratify all decisions of an ecumenical council to be valid) can reverse a matter of discipline or custom. Hence, a true pope could change the discipline of the Latin Rite to allow married men to be ordained priests as in many Eastern Rites. This would not constitute a "contradiction" only a change in a matter that can be changed (whether or not we think it is WISE to do so).

      However, when you have a man claiming to be "pope" and he says that FAITH IS NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION ("Even atheists can go to Heaven") that is an implicit denial of the necessity of the One True Faith to be saved and constitutes heresy. That means the man who spoke those words--any/all appearances to the contrary--COULD NOT be pope.

      I hope this helped!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. "Similarly, it is to give proof of a submission which is far from sincere to set up some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them; and in some ways they resemble those who, on receiving a condemnation, would wish to appeal to a future council, or to a Pope who is better informed." (Pope Leo XIII, "Epistola Tua")

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    3. Regarding the "so-called one handed ordination" of Father Dolan.Agree 100%It would not affect validity anyway.A sad state of affairs with Bishop Kelly.Please God may he retract his anti Thuc/CMRI views before his death.

      I did not agree with Bishop Dolan on the una cum issue but he was a good man who had a very deep spiritual life.Attending Sunday High Mass at Saint Gertrude the Great was like being in Heaven.His weekday sermons were also excellent.

      Introibo,as you live in New York I was wondering have you been to any other traditional churches around the country i.e CMRI?

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    4. @anon10:47
      Exactly!

      @anon2:22
      I have been to SSPV, independent priests, and SSPX a couple of times. Although I know two CMRI priests, I have never had the opportunity to attend their Masses.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  15. Thank you so much for your kind words introibo and your prayers.Yes,God had you in his plan for you to meet your wife.Tell her she is very lucky to have you.When I met my future husband to be, I just knew God had placed him in my life at the right time.I prayed for many years to our Lady too.God bless you always

    Your sister in Christ,Anna

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  16. Vatican II Feeneyites. What is next, Nestorians for Eutyches?

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  17. Feeneyites.They are just beyond words.Can remember being forwarded years ago some material that had been writtten by a lunatic couple in I think Australia.They were so far gone in the head and had a obsession with predestination,divine election and exclusive salvation.There is really nothing you can do for those folk except pray for them.They love to quote a book called who shall ascend by Father Wathen.Have you read this?Have you read the book by SSPX priest Father Laisney on the errors of the Feeneyites available from Angelus press?

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    1. @anon5:48
      I have read both books. Father Wathen was wrong on many matters. He was R&R and made seriously flawed statements showing a real lack of theological knowledge. For example in the book he claims "Two Canons of the Council of Trent contradict and censure it [BOD]" Yet, St. Alphonsus further states: “It is de fide that men may be also be saved through baptism of desire — from the chapter Apostolicam, de presb. non bapt. and from the Council of Trent, where it is said that no one can be saved ‘without the washing of regeneration or the desire for it’.” (See "Theologia Moralis," 3:96-7.)

      The book by Fr. Laisney is a poor defense of BOD/BOB. I recommend "Baptism of Desire or of Blood" by my friend Steven Speray (author of the blog "Catholicism in a Nutshell") as one of the best on the subject.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  18. Regarding the above comment about the "one handed ordination"Bishop kelly has a lot to answer for.Living here in Ohio over the years starting in 1989 there has been much pain and divisions between families because of his and the SSPV views and attacks on the Thuc,CMRI issues,etc.For years my family said I was 'tainted" because I went to the then Father Dolan.Volumes could be written on this petty garbage.


    Did you ever bring up these issues with the SSPV priests when you went there Introibo?What about bishop Santay?

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    1. @anon6:00
      I did bring it up with an SSPV priest. Their stance is still on the "SSPV books" so to speak" but if you say nothing, they really don't do anything here in NY. Bp. Santay is of a similar mindset. "We are not 'the Mass police'"
      Good for him!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  19. I have never met Bp Santay but have heard he is excellent.He has a passion for souls.

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  20. Bp.Santay is a good Priest.
    We need more like him,and continue to pray for the good Bishop.

    -Andrew

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  21. The Dimondbacks said that Pius XII taught the earth was millions of years old (a falsehood) in an allocution. Can you address that?

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    1. Mary's Vagabond,
      Fred and Bobby tell a half-truth to better ensnare people.

      Pope Pius XII did discuss—with approval—the Old Earth Theory.

      In part:
      “ The examination of numerous spiral nebulae, carried out especially by Edwin E. Hubble in the Mount Wilson Observatory, led to the significant result - albeit tempered by reserves - that these distant galaxy systems tend to distance themselves from each other with such speed that the interval between two such spiral nebulae doubles in about 1300 million years. If we look back at the time of this process of the " Expanding Universe ", it appears that, from one to ten billion years ago, the matter of all the spiral nebulae was compressed in a relatively small space, when the cosmic processes began… The oscillations of gravitation within these systems, such as the friction of the tides, again restrict their stability within the terms of 5 to 10 billion years. If these figures can move to surprise, however, even to the simplest of believers they do not bring a new concept different from that learned from the first words of Genesis " In the beginning", that is to say the beginning of things in time. To those words they give a concrete and almost mathematical expression, while a greater comfort flows from them for those who with the Apostle share the esteem for that Divinely inspired Scripture, which is always useful " ad docendum, ad arguendum, ad corripiendum, ad erudiendum"

      He talks of the universe in terms of BILLIONS of years. That jibes with the Big Bang Theory which places the beginning at 13.8 Billion years ago.

      According to the theologians of the time (e.g. Van Noort, etc.) this made the idea acceptable but not strictly binding, as he was not passing final judgment nor was the matter previously settled as in the case of BOD. I personally subscribe to Old Earth, and believe it both on the science, as well as its gaining acceptance by Pope Pius XII and the approved theologians of the 1950s.

      I would go as far to say IT IS BETTER SUPPORTED both by the Church under Pius XII and the discoveries of science, but it was not compelled by the Church. Had Vatican II not happened, I believe the matter would be settled for an Old Earth. That's just my layman's opinion, and Pope Pius was NOT making the matter settled.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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