In St. Jude 1:3, we read, "Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." [Emphasis mine]. Contending For The Faith is a series of posts dedicated to apologetics (i.e., the intellectual defense of the truth of the Traditional Catholic Faith) to be published the first Monday of each month. This is the next installment.
Sadly, in this time of Great Apostasy, the faith is under attack like never before, and many Traditionalists don't know their faith well enough to defend it. Remember the words of our first pope, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1Peter 3:16). There are five (5) categories of attacks that will be dealt with in these posts. Attacks against:
- The existence and attributes of God
- The truth of the One True Church established by Christ for the salvation of all
- The truth of a particular dogma or doctrine of the Church
- The truth of Catholic moral teaching
- The truth of the sedevacantist position as the only Catholic solution to what has happened since Vatican II
In addition, controversial topics touching on the Faith will sometimes be featured, so that the problem and possible solutions may be better understood. If anyone had suggestions for topics that would fall into any of these categories, you may post them in the comments. I cannot guarantee a post on each one, but each will be carefully considered.
The RIGHT Rite of Christian Burial
To My Readers: I am out of town on business for several days. Thankfully, Lee has an excellent apologetic of the True Rite of burial vs. the Vatican II sect rite. In this post, he very ably defends the truth of the Church as compared to the falsehood taught and evils given in the sect pretending to be the Catholic Church. Please feel free to comment as usual, and if you want me to respond I shall, but it will take a bit longer this week, so thank you for your patience!
God Bless you all, my dear readers---Introibo
In the year 2004, many things took place. Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ was released, the Iraq war was going on, Facebook was launched by Mark Zuckerberg, the five cross flag of the country of Georgia was restored to use after a 500 year hiatus, The first legal sodomite (same sex) marriage was performed in the state of Massachusetts, Fidel Castro bans transaction of the American dollar in Cuba, Skull and Bones politicians George W Bush and John Kerry ran for American president with Bush winning re-election, and John Paul II gives the relics of St. John Chrysostom to the Eastern Orthodox religion.
While all this went on throughout the world, something also happened to me. It was my last time to ever actively participate in a Novus Ordo "Mass." It wasn't just any ordinary Sunday "Mass" but it was the funeral "Mass" of a fellow parishioner who died in a car accident. His brother was one of my best friends. A year prior, I had already discovered the Indult Mass in my local area, as well as sedevacantism even though I hadn't completely understood it, but nevertheless was not fully against it because of what John Paul II had done and all the strange nonsense going on throughout the whole modern Church.
On the day of the funeral, the casket was brought into church for "Mass." Many of my former Protestant friends from high school years were in attendance and the priest (he was a valid one) did make an announcement from the pulpit that if anybody was not Catholic, to cross the arms over their chest so that way he knew not to give them communion. Nothing out of the ordinary but what struck me and probably what bothered me the most were the vestments he was wearing. They were white vestments. I had just learned about Requiem Masses when studying about the Traditional Mass and the color was always black, representing mourning for the dead, and more importantly, praying for them.
He said the reason for using the white vestments was because of it representing Christ's resurrection from the dead and a sign of hope for the dead person. Without arguing with him (and I had some previous arguments with him) I just kept my opinions to myself and proceeded to help as an altar server. Unfortunately, the priest believed in many Modernist ideas, which ranged from not believing it to be wrong for a Catholic to be apart of the local Masonic lodge, to the frequent use of music like "A Mighty Fortress is our God" (a Lutheran hymn) when processing out once "Mass" was over. What was really frightening was that he was one of the priests who volunteered to say the Indult Traditional Mass for nostalgia purposes. Seeing the spirit of Modernism produced in one of the priests who I grew up around in my youth, let's now look at what the Vatican II sect produced regarding Christian Burial.
The Changes
Picking up where I left off in the above paragraph, white vestments became an option in 1970 for the Vatican II sect which was specifically allowed by the new "Roman Missal" for funeral masses in England and Wales. This color signifies the celebration of Christ, Mary and the saints in the Church, and is worn on Christmas, Easter and other prominent days of celebration. Many American dioceses also allowed white for funerals as a representation of hope and a celebration of Christ (so they claim).
The problem is simple, lex orandi, lex credendi (i.e., "The law of prayer is the law of belief"). If white vestments are used for a funeral, it's not a sign of hope or else green vestments would be worn. Rather it's a sign of not believing in praying for the dead because they've already been "saved," and hence the use of festive colors. It's a Modernist lie because traditionally speaking, white is always used for festive days during the liturgical calendar. Funerals are not festive unless of course the person is automatically a saint in heaven, and that person is praying for us on earth. Sadly, this is the spirit of the Novus Ordo religion, that all are most likely saved. It couldn't get any more Protestant.
What's particularly disturbing is the change of rules concerning Christian Burial, specifically those who are denied same.
When the world was Catholic, the following rules were set out according to the the old Rituale Romanum (1950):
Denial of Christian Burial
A pastor ought to know precisely who are to be excluded from Christian burial according to the Church law, lest any such ever be admitted thereto contrary to the decrees of the sacred canons.
Persons who depart in this life without baptism are not to be allowed Christian burial. Yet catechumens who die without baptism through no fault of their own are to be treated the same as the baptized (TAKE THAT FEENEYITES)
The following are to be denied Christian burial, unless before death they manifested some sign of repentance:
a.) Persons reckoned as notorious apostates from the Christian faith, and persons who were notorious for belonging to a heretical or schismatic sect, or to the Masonic sect, or to other societies of the same kind;
b.) Persons excommunicated or interdicted after a declaratory or condemnatory sentence; c.) Those who have committed suicide with full deliberation;
d.) Those who died in a duel or from a wound received in a duel;
e.) Those who ordered their body to be cremated;
f.) Other public or overt sinners.
If any doubts exists in regard to the cases mentioned above, the Ordinary should be consulted if time permits; and if a doubt still remains, the body should be given ecclesiastical burial, yet so that all scandal is precluded.
4. Those who are deprived of ecclesiastical burial must also be denied the funeral Mass and even the Mass of anniversary, as well as other public obsequies."
Fast forward to our times of Counterfeit Catholicism and we see revisions in the 1983 Code of Canon Law stating the following:
THOSE TO WHOM ECCLESIASTICAL FUNERALS MUST BE GRANTED OR DENIED
Can. 1183 §1. When it concerns funerals, catechumens must be counted among the Christian faithful.
§2. The local ordinary can permit children whom the parents intended to baptize but who died before baptism to be given ecclesiastical funerals.
§3. In the prudent judgment of the local ordinary, ecclesiastical funerals can be granted to baptized persons who are enrolled in a non-Catholic Church or ecclesial community unless their intention is evidently to the contrary and provided that their own minister is not available.
Can. 1184 §1. Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals:
1. notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics;
2. those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith;
3. other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful.
§2. If any doubt occurs, the local ordinary is to be consulted, and his judgment must be followed.
Can. 1185 Any funeral Mass must also be denied a person who is excluded from ecclesiastical funerals.
USSCB (United States Conference of [Non] Catholic Bishops)
In April 1997, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments granted an indult for the United States to allow the diocesan bishop to permit the presence of the cremated remains of a body at a Funeral Mass. Later that year, the Congregation confirmed the special texts and ritual directives (Prot. n. 1589/96/L for both indult and texts)...
The practice of cremation has grown and become more commonplace in the United States, and it is often presented as a more affordable alternative to traditional burial. What is often overlooked is the Church’s teaching regarding the respect and honor due to the human body. The Order of Christian Funerals’ Appendix on Cremation states: “Although cremation is now permitted by the Church, it does not enjoy the same value as burial of the body. The Church clearly prefers and urges that the body of the deceased be present for the funeral rites, since the presence of the human body better expresses the values which the Church affirms in those rites” (no. 413).
Ideally, if a family chooses cremation, the cremation would take place at some time after the Funeral Mass, so that there can be an opportunity for the Vigil for the Deceased in the presence of the body (during “visitation” or “viewing” at a church or funeral home). This allows for the appropriate reverence for the sacredness of the body at the Funeral Mass: sprinkling with holy water, the placing of the pall, and honoring it with incense. The Rite of Committal then takes place after cremation (see Appendix, nos. 418-421). Funeral homes offer several options in this case. One is the use of “cremation caskets,” which is essentially a rental casket with a cardboard liner that is cremated with the body. Another is a complete casket that is cremated (this casket contains minimal amounts of non-combustible material such as metal handles or latches).
When cremation takes place before the Funeral Mass, and the diocesan bishop permits the presence of cremated remains at the Funeral Mass, the Appendix provides adapted texts for the Sprinkling with Holy Water, the Dismissal for use at the Funeral Mass (or the Funeral Liturgy outside Mass), and the Committal of Cremated Remains. The introduction provides further specific details about how the funeral rites are adapted. In all, the rite notes:
The cremated remains of a body should be treated with the same respect given to the human body from which they come. This includes the use of a worthy vessel to contain the ashes, the manner in which they are carried, and the care and attention to appropriate placement and transport, and the final disposition. The cremated remains should be buried in a grave or entombed in a mausoleum or columbarium. The practice of scattering cremated remains on the sea, from the air, or on the ground, or keeping cremated remains on the home of a relative or friend of the deceased are not the reverent disposition that the Church requires. (no. 417)
For some families, the choice of cremation is based on financial hardship, so this choice often means also that there is no plan for committal or burial of the cremated remains. As a means of providing pastoral support and an acceptable respectful solution to the problem of uninterred cremated remains, one diocese offered on All Souls’ Day in 2011 an opportunity for any family who desired it the interment of cremated remains. The diocese offered a Mass and committal service at one of its Catholic cemeteries and provided, free of charge, a common vault in a mausoleum for the interment of the cremated remains. The names of the deceased interred there were kept on file, though in this case they were not individually inscribed on the vault. Link here: https://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/sacraments-and-sacramentals/bereavement-and-funerals/cremation-and-funerals
Do you notice anything?
The first difference is the baptized. In the new rite, unbaptized children are now permitted to receive Christian burial whereas before that wasn't permitted. There was a reason and it is because unbaptized children do not enter into heaven nor could they desire it like catechumens (adults) and therefore went to limbo. The Roman Catechism says: "The faithful are earnestly to be exhorted to take care that their children be brought to the church, as soon as it can be done with safety, to receive solemn Baptism. Since infant children have no other means of salvation except Baptism, we may easily understand how grievously those persons sin who permit them to remain without the grace of the Sacrament longer than necessity may require, particularly at an age so tender as to be exposed to numberless dangers of death."
Next, is the new belief that baptized persons enrolled in a non-Catholic Church or ecclesial communities can receive Christian burial, unless their intention is evidently to the contrary and provided that their own minister (YES A NON-CATHOLIC MINISTER) is not available. Yet a little further down its says those who are notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics are not to be given Christian burial. Are non-Catholic Churches and ecclesial communities not heretical or schismatic churches? I guess that applies to one who espouses Sedevacantism, since that is the only people they cannot tolerate.
The reason for the change is because it's in accordance with the Vatican II teaching from Lumen Gentium para. #15, which states, "The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities. Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God. They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power."
To the Contrary...
Pope St. Pius X Catechism
Preliminary Lesson
On Christian Doctrine and its Principal Parts
1 Q. Are you a Christian?
A. Yes, I am a Christian, by the grace of God.
2 Q. Why do you say: By the grace of God?
A. I say: By the grace of God, because to be a Christian is a perfectly gratuitous gift of God, which we ourselves could not have merited.
3 Q. Who is a true Christian?
A. A true Christian is he who is baptized, who believes and professes the Christian Doctrine, and obeys the lawful pastors of the Church.
4 Q. What is Christian Doctrine?
A. Christian doctrine is the doctrine which Jesus Christ our Lord taught us to show us the way of salvation.
5 Q. Is it necessary to learn the doctrine taught by Jesus Christ?
A. It certainly is necessary to learn the doctrine taught by Jesus Christ, and those who fail to do so are guilty of a grave breach of duty.
6 Q. Are parents and guardians bound to send their children and those dependent on them to catechism?
A. Parents and guardians are bound to see that their children And dependents learn Christian Doctrine, and they are guilty before God if they neglect this duty.
7 Q. From whom are we to receive and learn Christian Doctrine?
A. We are to receive and learn Christian Doctrine from the Holy Catholic Church.
8 Q. How are we certain that the Christian Doctrine which we receive from the Holy Catholic Church is really true?
A. We are certain that the doctrine which we receive from the Holy Catholic Church is true, because Jesus Christ, the divine Author of this doctrine, committed it through His Apostles to the Church, which He founded and made the infallible teacher of all men, promising her His divine assistance until the end of time.
9 Q. Are there other proofs of the truth of Christian Doctrine?
A. The truth of Christian Doctrine is also shown by the eminent sanctity of numbers who have professed it and who still profess it, by the heroic fortitude of the martyrs, by its marvellous and rapid propagation in the world, and by its perfect preservation throughout so many centuries of ceaseless and varied struggles.
10 Q. What and how many are the principal and most necessary parts of Christian Doctrine?
A. The principal and most necessary parts of Christian Doctrine are four The Creed, The Our Father, The Commandments, and The Sacraments.
Getting back to the new rite of Christian burial, it also omits refusing Christian burial to those who belong to Masonic sects or those of a similar kind whereas the old did not. Who knows, maybe by 1983 those in charge of the Vatican II church were Masons and didn't want to be refused Christian burial so they just got rid of it. It also omits refusing Christian burial to the excommunicated, those who commit suicide and those who get in a duel. Why? It's only anybody's guess.
Lastly, the new rite of Christian burial loosened restrictions and now allows cremation since 1963. The old rules from the Roman Ritual strictly forbade it because of the Catholic belief in the Resurrection of the Body and the fact that the body is a temple of the Holy Ghost which should be buried because it will rise again on the last day. Also, on December 8 1869, the international Congress of Freemasons, imposed it as a duty on all its members to do everything possible to wipe out Catholics from the face of the earth by promoting cremation. This was done so as to undermine the Catholic faith in the resurrection of the body and everlasting life as we profess in the Apostles Creed. While the 1917 Code did permit cremation under the strictest of circumstances such as mass death/disease, it is now looked at the same way as annulments are given out. It's cheap, convenient, and less meaningful, which results in forgetting the faithful departed altogether.
Conclusion
The best answer to this life is what St. Thomas Aquinas desired. A good death. We must never forget to pray for the dead, but to prepare for it and to make sure it is all done within the Catholic Church and it's true clergy. Not the hirelings of the Vatican II sect.
Just as Satan fell like lightning from heaven, so too has the Vatican II sect fallen like lightning away from Catholicism. It simply cannot get anything right because it is a new, false religion imposed upon the world. Many of the so called "priests" and even those who are still validly ordained, take off on Mondays presumably because they feel they work so hard on Sunday. "Masses" on Saturday now fulfill the Sunday obligation and Holy Days of Obligation are moved to be celebrated on Sundays. It's the so-called "spring time Church" where death is the last thing on peoples mind. "The People of God" just have to be "good" and live their life to the fullest. It's no wonder Bergoglio says to not sweat the Last Judgement. A totally sick joke.
A man I didn't know personally but saw at church when I was a member of the V2 sect and was involved in the celebrations as a lector (as I was) received the so-called " medical assistance in dying", which should rather be called "euthanasia", and was entitled to a funeral at the church. I think we should also deprive those who choose this way of dying of Catholic funerals because they did not die naturally. It's like a murder committed with the consent of the victim. People today do not believe in life after death, they believe that everything ends with death, so when sickness and death approach, they choose to "leave" on their own initiative. Even those with mental illnesses like Alzheimer's disease or cerebral palsy want to be euthanized. It is the height of pride. We live in a world without faith and without hope.
ReplyDeleteSimon,
DeleteYes--and things are only getting worse.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Do they accept burial service for public pedophiles?🤔
ReplyDeleteAnon 7:19
DeleteAs stated in the article:
Rituale Romanum (1950)
F.) Other public or overt sinners. DENIED
New Code of 1983
3.) Other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful. DENIED
Of course in the New Religion there have been some cases when known pedophiles have been granted burial anyways, because as Bergoglio (AKA Francis I) stated on Feb. 2 "No one can exclude themselves from the Church, we are all saved sinners... “Father, let’s think about those who have denied the faith, who are apostates, who are the persecutors of the Church, who have denied their baptism: Are these also at home?” Yes, these too. All of them. The blasphemers, all of them. We are brothers. This is the communion of saints. The communion of saints holds together the community of believers on earth and in heaven, and on earth the saints, the sinners, all."
So the code doesn't really mean anything if you were to go by what Francis says.
Lee
Excellent Blog entry!
ReplyDeleteThis subject needs more coverage as does Extreme Unction.
God bless -Andrew
Andrew,
DeleteIn case you missed them, here are the Extreme Unction articles from this website:
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-demise-of-extreme-unction.html
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2021/09/last-rites-and-wrongs.html
Lee
Ive been reading this blog since 2011 & have sent those specific entires to other Catholics. All of them,including this most recent,are invaluable resources.
DeleteMost others simply concentrate on the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass or Holy Orders.
God bless -Andrew
Andrew,
DeleteThank you; I try to cover a range of relevant topics!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you Andrew for spreading the word. Just curious, have you overcome your issue that you asked us to pray for a while back or are you still struggling?
DeleteLee
You're welcome.
Delete-A
Off + on. I will be struggling for years to come.
DeleteThank you for asking.
God bless -A
Also having a Holy Mass offered for myself. Haven't done that in over a Year.
Delete-A
Here is an article on Last Rites http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/11May/may26ftt.htm
ReplyDeleteJohn Gregory,
DeleteThank you for the link!
God Bless,
---Introibo
God bless you sir!
DeleteThere was an article more detailed, I thought from Steve Speray, but it might have been from introibo or probably both.
ReplyDeleteAnon. 8:27,
DeleteYou may be thinking of this article: https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2021/06/05/extreme-unction-vs-vatican-2s-anointing-of-the-sick/
They are all great writings on that subject.
Lee
Indeed my friend. Everything from introibo is good. An underrated site. Excellent content from a wonderful man.
DeleteKeep up the good work.
John Gregory,
DeleteComments like yours keep me writing, my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
I'm talking in regards to the Last Rites, not the above written article.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Lee for this entry! It's always a pleasure to be able to read your articles.
ReplyDeleteToday's the 16th anniversary of my Dad's death. It still breaks my heart to think of the way he died, spiritually neglected by his own family members (myself included). Granted, he got the bogus "sacrament" of the sick. I wish I had the true Faith back then to help him out. There would be no true priest around anyway but God's grace is not restrained by the lack of His ministers.
God Bless You All,
Joanna S.
Joanna S.
DeleteI enjoy your articles as well and will pray for your dad. I hope all is well with you in Poland.
Lee
Thank you kindly, Lee!
DeleteI'm striving to hold fast to our Holy Catholic Faith and pray God won't withdraw this most precious gift of His.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the uncharitableness of my countrymen priding themselves on being true Catholics. I pray we get a priest zealous for all souls to fix this morbid situation that we have in Poland.
God Bless,
Joanna S.
Joanna,
DeletePrayers for the repose of your father's soul.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@Joanna S,
DeleteDid you contact Bishop Ramolla via Our Lady of Victory? He had Priests in central & northern Europe.
God bless -Andrew
Andrew,
DeleteI haven't contacted him yet. The thing is, I need a priest who speaks Polish for the sake of my family.
God Bless,
Joanna S.
Google translator.
DeleteMay sound silly but it works.
-Andrew
Hello. I don't know if you remember me. I was asking some time ago about a series of questions because sedevacantism gives me many doubts. As I already told you, an issue that causes me confusion is that of the validity or not of episcopal consecrations and priestly ordinations. I don't know if someone from this blog could give me their opinion on this article that I have found and that adds fuel to the "fire" of my confusion. Thank you very much in advance. In Spanish:
ReplyDeletehttp://elarietecatolico.blogspot.com/2020/10/invalidez-de-las-consagraciones-de.html?m=1
Manel Bonet
Look up articles by Fathers Kevin Vallincourt
DeleteAnthony Cekada
CMRI website
CSPV website about the extreme doubtfullness of the so called "New Rites."
Also,a recent article by Lee on this blog entitled
"The forgotten Sacrament" is good too. Personally, the Thuc Lefebvre+ Mendez lines are all valid,without question.
If the Novus Ordo anti-Church is the Holy Catholic Church,the Gates of Hell have prevailed.
-Andrew
Great article by another traditional Priest exposing the so called "New Rites."
Deletehttp://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/The_Post-Conciliar_Rite_of_Holy_Orders-by_Rama_P_Coomaraswamy.aspx
Manel Bonet,
DeleteDid the unknown person who wrote this know or ever speak to Archbishop Thuc? Is all the "evidence" recorded where the public can hear it, such as the accusation that Dr. Hiller and Heller caught him saying that he withheld his intention when doing the consecrations? If not how is that "evidence?"
Archbishop Thuc went along with Vatican II and recognized the false pope as did most everybody, but later renounced it publicly here: https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/declaration-of-archbishop-ngo-dinh-thuc/
The article itself seems to recognize John XXIII-John Paul II as true popes as if their "excommunications" meant something. If they were true popes than of course they would be binding but were they true "popes?" https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2022/01/the-chair-of-st-peter-and-sedevacantism.html
What is your opinion of this: http://www.thucbishops.com/
Lee
Is private prayer allowed in a schismatic Orthodox church?
ReplyDelete@anon11:45
DeleteNo. According to theologians McHugh and Callan (and all approved theologians) active participation in religious PLACES is mortally sinful. "Participation is active when...one enters a heretical or schismatic church privately in order to visit the Blessed Sacrament or pray.."
(See "Moral Theology," [1929],1:380).
Your presence may be a cause of scandal for other Traditionalists to think there is nothing inherently wrong with a non-Catholic sect. You are praying in a place God abhors, and which keeps His Real Presence their unlawfully. It is not "more holy" there, but LESS so. It may even corrupt your thinking (and those of others who know that you pray there) that "one religion is as good as another."
God is NOT pleased by the Most Holy Sacrifice offered by illegitimate ministers outside the One True Church, nor by their illicitly retained Sacraments.
Please stay away!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Intro,
DeleteWhat should a Traditional Catholic and executor of the estate of their N.O. relative, do, when the relative has documents that direct their remains to be cremated and wishes to have a funeral "Mass" said in a Novus Ordo church?
Great question!
Delete-Andrew
@anon1:01
DeleteIn U.S. civil law, no one can be forced to be an executor/executrix of someone's Last Will and Testament. You should go over a Will with the person before accepting to see if there's anything contrary to Faith and/or Morals. If you blindly accept and discover these evils in the Will, you inform the Judge in probate that you refuse to be the executor due to your sincerely held religious beliefs. The Judge will relieve you of the position and appoint an administrator from the Court (ususally a lawyer) who will enforce the Will's provisions, leaving you out of it.
According to theologian Slater, "Ecclesiastical law forbids cremation under severe penalties, and declares direction for cremation inserted in Wills of no effect (Can. 1203; 1240, section 1, 5; 2339)." (See "A Manual of Moral Theology," [1925], 1:319).
You would have a serious moral obligation to decline, under pain of mortal sin.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you, Intro. That was very helpful.
DeleteRegarding attending a funeral mass in a N.O. Church, could the Traditional Catholic do it if they sat far away and paid no attention to the proceedings and just stayed mute? That would seem impractical, when, for example, the deceased is a parent. But I have received advice to that effect by a confessor, in regard to showing up at N.O. rites, the excuse being family solidarity. From reading the article, I take it that this should not be done under any circumstances.
Thank you, again.
@anon6:09
DeleteThe question you now present was correctly answered by your Confessor. To be executor of a Will that commands that evil things be done would make the Executor have formal cooperation in evil. To merely attend a non-Catholic rite passively (and the Vatican II sect is non-Catholic), is permitted for a sufficient reason--such as support to family members Outside the One True Church.
According to theologian Prummer, "Thus, for instance, it is permissible to attend non-Catholic funerals as a mark of courtesy..." (See "Handbook of Moral Theology," [1957], pg. 90). It must be clear that:
(a) you do not participate in anyway except to sit and stand (kneeling can be seen as an act of prayer in a false sect)
(b) you do not pray in the false sect's church
(c) you remove yourself by sitting away from those who participate
(d) there is no danger of scandal (i.e., people know you do not agree with the false religion and are only there to support family members who grieve).
God Bless,
---Introibo
I attended my Father's Novus Ordo funeral service last year.
DeleteSat in the back and recited prayers for the Dead and parts of Requiem Mass entire time.
What's sad is the Priest who offered their service was Ord in 1961. Another wasted vocation.
@anon6:45
DeleteA priest in the mold of Judas.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Agreed especially in 2021-2022.
DeleteThe lines are much clearer as opposed to 1974.
-An
What is partial abstinence
ReplyDelete@anon10:59
DeletePartial abstinence refers to days on which flesh meat, and soup or gravy made with meat are permitted once a day at the principal meal. Partial abstinence is to be observed on all Ember Wednesdays and Ember Saturdays, and on the Vigil of Pentecost.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@Joanna S.
ReplyDeleteCould you please elaborate on that: "I'm still trying to wrap my head around the uncharitableness of my countrymen priding themselves on being true Catholics. I pray we get a priest zealous for all souls to fix this morbid situation that we have in Poland."?
I am considering attending Mass in Krakow offered by Fr. Trytek. Would you recommend doing so? Why?/Why not?
Dear Anonymous,
DeleteI'm very happy to see a fellow soul from Poland at Introibo's blog!
Yous should definitely attend Fr, Trytek's Masses. I would do so myself if I could get to Krakow. He's a valid Catholic priest and does not offer Mass in union with Bergoglio.
I've been very disappointed with the way the chapel in Wroclaw is run and hesitated a great deal before going public with my opinion so as not to scandalize anyone. From what I've observed thus far, the lay people who are in charge in Wroclaw are very suspicious of newcomers, keeping the whole place secret (with the priest approving of their behavior by not taking any action against it).
However, my bad experience should not in any way influence your decision. On the contrary, I believe you ought to attend the chapel in Krakow if you can. From what I've heard, there've been new people coming there as that chapel address is publicly known.
We really need to grow in numbers and each and every Catholic soul is priceless!
God Bless You!
Joanna S.
I've had the same experience at a Mass center in the States.
DeleteIt's not Sede but they a valid Priest and the Ushers treated me like I was on the most wanted list. People refused to say rven say "hi" or speak.
I'm sorry you experienced that it's a bad feeling afterwards.
-Andrew
I'm very sorry to hear that, Andrew.
DeleteStories like these make me realize how fortunate we are to have this fine blog and have our say here at Introibo's, be treated with charity, and feel at home among fellow Catholics.
Have you been able to find a good sede mission?
God Bless You,
Joanna S.
Yes but it's once a month.
DeleteCSPV. You?
-Andrew
No, I have no viable option as of now. I'm not losing hope either. There's a Polish subdeacon at the CMRI seminary and, once ordained, he could be a real breakthrough - I pray that he indeed is, God willing!
DeleteGod Bless,
Joanna S.
I've read about a native Polish Resistance-SSPX Priest Ord by Bp.Williamson few yrs ago.
Delete-Andrew
Lee, thanks for your post.
ReplyDeleteIntroibo - thank you for your comments here. Regarding false chuches, I know someone who is a Godparent (formerly N.O., since converted), and a "first communion" is coming up soon. Can this person attend, if they follow the guidance provided by Prummer? Regarding "d" above - false scandal - does everyone have to know the Godparent's stance, or does the Godparent simply have to make it clear to the child's parents their position?
The Godparent has discussed with the parent in limited detail, their conversion. I fear the parent, like so many, will not want a scandal in the family, even though she may somewhat see the truth of the N.O., and still go along with the "ceremony" as a rite of passage and to appease her parents, much like many non-believing Jews still have their children participate in Bar/bat-mitzvahs. Any advice, especially for the Godparent, is appreciated, by Introibo or anyone. Thank you.
-Seeking Truth
Seeking Truth,
DeleteAccording to theologians McHugh and Callan, three conditions MUST obtain:
(a) The attendance must be purely passive. {e.g., One may not recite prayers, kneel, shake hands, etc.]
(b) The danger of scandal must not be prior to the act, so your acquaintance should make the parents aware that he is not there as a godparent, and is only passively viewing the service as an act of courtesy. This would also be a good time to tell them he cannot function as a godparent. He could not, as a Traditionalist Catholic, raise a child in a false sect (V2). Do it as politely as possible, there is no animosity, only a requirement of the True Faith.
(c) There must be a sufficient reason for going.
(See "Moral Theology" 1:377-380).
Prummer is excellent, but given your friend's status as a godparent, a more in-depth analysis is necessary. given what I wrote above, your friend could lawfully attend passively if he informs the parents of his position. This is my layman's opinion applying the principles of moral theology. Your friend may also seek counsel from a Traditionalist priest--but this is my best advice.
I'll be praying for him!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo, many thanks! I will pass along your helpful advice. God bless you!
Delete-S.T.