Monday, November 7, 2022

Contending For The Faith---Part 9

 


In St. Jude 1:3, we read, "Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." [Emphasis mine]. Contending For The Faith is a series of posts dedicated to apologetics (i.e.,  the intellectual defense of the truth of the Traditional Catholic Faith) to be published the first Monday of each month.  This is the next installment.

Sadly, in this time of Great Apostasy, the faith is under attack like never before, and many Traditionalists don't know their faith well enough to defend it. Remember the words of our first pope, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1Peter 3:16). There are five (5) categories of attacks that will be dealt with in these posts. Attacks against:
  • The existence and attributes of God
  • The truth of the One True Church established by Christ for the salvation of all 
  • The truth of a particular dogma or doctrine of the Church
  • The truth of Catholic moral teaching
  • The truth of the sedevacantist position as the only Catholic solution to what has happened since Vatican II 
In addition, controversial topics touching on the Faith will sometimes be featured, so that the problem and possible solutions may be better understood. If anyone had suggestions for topics that would fall into any of these categories, you may post them in the comments. I cannot guarantee a post on each one, but each will be carefully considered.

NOTE TO MY READERS: This week's post is a defense of the First Thanksgiving, a decidedly Catholic one, comes courtesy of Lee. As Thanksgiving approaches this month, never let us lose sight of being thankful to God for having given us, unworthy as we are, the One True Faith during this time of Great Apostasy. I have been able to catch up on much needed things in my personal life, thanks to my guest posters--I am especially thankful for Lee and also Joanna From Poland. Please feel free to comment as always, and if anyone has a specific query or comment for me, I will respond as usual but it might take a bit longer for me to get back this week. 

God Bless you all, my dear readers---Introibo
The First Thanksgiving
By Lee

Being a Traditionalist Catholic in America can be very difficult. Culture, custom, and history  have formed the nation with either Protestantism or a worldly care free influence. One particular holiday reflecting these trends in the American spirit is Thanksgiving. Abe Lincoln was the first President to get legislation passed to make Thanksgiving a national holiday in 1863. President Ulysses S. Grant signed into law the holidays act on June 28th, 1870 which included Thanksgiving. It then became a yearly appointed holiday and in 1885, Congress made Thanksgiving a federally paid holiday for all federal workers. By 1942, under Franklin D. Roosevelt, Thanksgiving was moved to the fourth Thursday in November and permanently observed on that day ever since.

Public, private, and Novus Ordo schools teach the general Protestant (Puritan) version of Thanksgiving and structure its traditions around it.

In the early 1600's of England, there were Congregationalists who did not believe that Church and State should be together as it was in England to form a Christian nation but rather that churches work autonomously without answering to a higher authority. This later gave them the name of Separatists.

These Separatists (AKA Pilgrims) could not tolerate the controversy surrounding their beliefs and so by 1620 as the story goes the Pilgrims embarked on a voyage across the Atlantic on the Mayflower with 120 passengers and by November of that year, landed on Plymouth Rock. After suffering many hardships during the first winter with disease, starvation, getting settled, and making peace with the natives; a year later 53 of the pilgrims who survived met up with 90 Wampanoag Indians from a nearby village. Squanto who spoke fluent English after learning it from being a captured slave in Europe served as a translator and guide. At the meeting, the pilgrims and the Indians had feasted together based on the harvest they both could gather, eating water fowl, deer, and other vegetables. Hence the first Thanksgiving or was it?

   
St. Augustine

The first true Thanksgiving was neither Protestant in origin, nor in the year 1621. It was in fact Catholic and took place 56 years earlier on the beautiful coast of La Florida (The land of flowers) on September 8th (The Blessed Virgin Mary's Nativity) 1565 under the leadership of Captain Pedro Menendez de Aviles.

What was the reason for the expedition? Word got out that the Huguenots from France occupied Fort Caroline, modern day Jacksonville Fl. At that time when Catholic's did not tolerate heretical doctrines, they fought to eradicate those who insisted on them because unlike the present day, Catholic's understood that without the true religion neither can one be saved, nor can a society function in proper order without first recognizing Christ and His Church. With this in mind, King Phillip II of Spain wasted no time and sent his fleet to recapture the fort and the colonization of that land which in previous years did not succeed.

Jean Ribault, who was the French captain in charge of securing Fort Caroline met with Menendez's crew at the mouth of a St. John's river. The two fleets met in a brief skirmish, but nothing happened. Menendez sailed southward and landed again on September 8. He formally declared possession of the land among the sounding of trumpets and artillery salutes in the name of King Philip II and officially founded the settlement he named Saint Augustine because the crew had first sighted land on his feast day 11 days earlier. At the landing spot, Father Francisco López de Mendoza Grajales, who had gone ashore the previous day went to meet Menendez. While chanting the Te Deum, he brought a cross to be reverently kissed by Menendez and those with him. Then the 500 soldiers, 200 sailors, and 100 families along with the Timucuan Indians gathered together for the first Catholic Mass offered in the New World. Afterwards, a feast between the peaceful Timucuans and Spanish took place. It is said that Timucuans brought turkey, deer, oysters, clams, as well as corn, beans, squash and fruits.The Spanish made stew with pork, garbanzo beans, onions, along with biscuits, olive oil, and wine.

While feasting and communicating with the Indians was short lived, a French attack on St. Augustine was thwarted by a violent squall that ravaged the French naval forces. Taking advantage of this, Menendez marched his troops overland to Fort Caroline on the St. John's river, about 30 miles north. The Spanish easily overwhelmed the lightly defended French garrison, which had been left with only a small crew of 20 soldiers and about 100 others, killing most of the men and sparing about 60 women and children. On September 20th, Menendez and his crew captured Fort Caroline and renamed it St. Matthew.

That month, Menendez sent a letter to the King letting him know the progress of the expedition. He stated: Let Your Majesty rest assured that if I had a million more, I would spend it all upon this undertaking, because it is of such great service of God Our Lord, and for the increase of our Holy Catholic Faith and the service of Your Majesty. And therefore I have offered to Our Lord, that all that I shall find, win, and acquire, in this world shall be for the planting of the Gospel in this land, and the enlightenment of its natives, and thus I pledge myself to Your Majesty. (See Woodbury Lowery, The Spanish Settlements within the Present Limits of the United States: Florida, 1562-1574, NY: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1911, pp. 161-162). 

With that promise in mind, the Dominicans, Jesuits, but most especially the Franciscans brought the word of God to the natives in the Spanish colony of Florida. The Jesuits only lasted six years which culminated in martyrdom for many of the missionaries in 1571. In 1574 The Franciscans arrived to take their place. By the 17th century, the Franciscans started 125 missions stretching up into Georgia all the way as far west to Pensacola. 26,000 natives were converted and baptized by 1655. The Spanish king decreed that the Indians be respected and cared for despite a few bad governors. 

86 Martyrs of the Florida Missions

What must not be forgotten is one particular occurrence that happened in the early 1700's.

Below is taken from the website Aleteia.org for which I take no credit:

The Martyrs of La Florida were a group of Native American and Spanish Catholics killed in Florida during the Spanish colonial expansion into what is now the territory of the United States, then still part of the Spanish Empire. During the 16th and 17th centuries, 86 Catholics – including priests and laity – were martyred by Native Americans and subjects of the British Empire...
The lead martyr of the cause is the layman Antonio Cuipa, the inija (second in command) of the Apalachee at the mission village of San Luis de Talimali. Educated by Spanish Franciscan priests serving the mission, Antonio spoke Spanish, Apalachee, and some Latin. He could also read and write. He had been brought up a Catholic and had a thorough understanding of theological doctrine. Married to another Apalachee Christian named Josefa, he had a daughter and a son, named Clara and Francisco. He deeply loved his Catholic faith, which he proved when he died a martyr.

The destruction of the Mission of San Luis de Talimali
Colonel James Moore was the colonial administrator who served as the governor of Carolina from 1700 to 1703. Moore is best known for leading the invasion of Spanish Florida during Queen Anne’s War, wiping out most of the Spanish missions. He captured and enslaved thousands of Floridian Apalachee, taking them with him to Carolina.

The first mission town Moore invaded was La Concepción de Ayubale, a mission near to Antonio Cuipa’s San Luis, on January 1704. As they heard Moore was attacking La Concepción, the men of San Luis quickly and heroically set out to go to their aid, knowing they had no chance to succeed at all.Thirty Spanish cavalry and four hundred Apalachee soldiers under the command of Captain Juan Ruiz de Mexia, Antonio Cuipa included, managed to drive Moore’s forces from Ayubale twice. Fray Juan de Parga, the Franciscan born in La Habana, a zealous priest and teacher who was fluent in Apalachee, administered the sacraments and preached a sermon to the men of San Luis, anticipating their martyrdom. He insisted on going with them. He wished, according to the Spanish governor's report, “to go and die with his children.” By nightfall, the Spanish and the Apalachee had run out of ammunition and surrendered. Moore butchered them.


Father Parga was killed on the road near Ayubale, and his severed head was brought to the council house. His body was later found and buried at the nearby mission of Ivitachuco. Those who were not killed in the spot were taken hostages by Moore’s forces, who tied them to posts and set them on fire. As they did this, Fray Angel Miranda, one of Antonio’s closest friends from San Luis, demanded to know how could Moore permit such atrocities. He simply said he had no control over his troops.

According to the report of the Spanish governor, Jose de Zuniga y La Cerda, many of the Christian Apalachee, Cuipa leading them, died as martyrs:

"During this cruel and barbarous martyrdom which the poor Apalachee Indians experienced, there were some of them who encouraged the other, declaring that through martyrdom they would appear before God and to the pagans they said, "Make more fire so that our hearts may be allowed to suffer for our souls. We go to enjoy God as Christians."

Conclusion

​​Why is the founding of St. Augustine Florida as the real first Thanksgiving in America hardly mentioned or recognized? It's because of the spirit of anti-Catholicsm which has swept across this land. Protestants and Freemasons have been in control of the government, schools, and local communities and so to commemorate their enemy, the Catholic Church, would be like Jorge Bergoglio commemorating Pope St. Pius X condemnation of modernism.

Let us be thankful to our Catholic ancestors who lived out their faith fearlessly and who trail-blazed, strove, and gave their lives up for the love of God and the salvation of souls despite all difficulties. Long live Christ the King and Our Lady, patroness of the Americas. 

67 comments:

  1. Thanks for this interesting post, Lee. History is often written by the victors, but the real story is sometimes different from reality.

    God bless you Introïbo !

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    1. Your welcome Simon. I was fortunate enough to visit St. Augustine a few times in the past and was able to run into most of this info at the national shrine of Our Lady of Leche where they had a museum and a tour guide tell about the history.

      I found it fascinating and every year when Thanksgiving approaches I do not celebrate the memory of the Puritans but rather the Catholics. My goal with this piece is to get people, especially Catholics to do the same.

      Lee

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    2. Simon,
      Thank you for commenting as always!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  2. THE WORD OF GOD

    Reading: Isaiah 57:3-13

    Come here, you children of sorcery,
    offspring of adultery and prostitution!
    Whom are you mocking?
    Against whom do you open your mouth wide
    and stick out your tongue?
    Aren’t you children of rebellion, offspring of lies,
    who console yourselves with idols under every green tree,
    who slaughter children in the valleys, under the rocky cliffs?
    You belong with the smooth talkers in the valley;
    they, they are your lot.
    For them you poured out a drink offering,
    and presented a grain offering.
    Should I condone these things?
    On a very high mountain you made your bed.
    You went up there to offer a sacrifice.
    Behind the door and the doorpost
    you placed your symbols.
    You abandoned me and lay down,
    making room in your bed
    and making deals for yourself with them.
    You loved their bed;
    you saw their nakedness.
    You went down to Molech with oil,
    and you slathered on your ointments;
    you sent your messengers far away,
    sent them down to the underworld.
    Worn out by all your efforts,
    yet you wouldn’t say, “This is useless.”
    You found new strength;
    therefore, you weren’t tired.
    Whom did you dread and fear so that you lied,
    didn’t remember me or give me a thought?
    Isn’t it because I was silent and closed my eyes
    that you stopped fearing me?
    I will bring evidence about your righteousness and your actions;
    they won’t help you.
    When you cry out,
    let those things you’ve gathered save you!
    The wind will lift them all;
    one breath will take them away.
    but those taking refuge in me will inherit the land and possess my holy mountain.



    Reading: James 1:12-18

    Those who stand firm during testing are blessed. They are tried and true. They will receive the life God has promised to those who love him as their reward.

    No one who is tested should say, “God is tempting me!” This is because God is not tempted by any form of evil, nor does he tempt anyone. Everyone is tempted by their own cravings; they are lured away and enticed by them. Once those cravings conceive, they give birth to sin; and when sin grows up, it gives birth to death.

    Don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters. Every good gift, every perfect gift, comes from above. These gifts come down from the Father, the creator of the heavenly lights, in whose character there is no change at all. He chose to give us birth by his true word, and here is the result: we are like the first crop from the harvest of everything he created.



    Reading: Matthew 18:15-20

    Jesus said, “If your brother or sister sins against you, go and correct them when you are alone together. If they listen to you, then you’ve won over your brother or sister. But if they won’t listen, take with you one or two others so that every word may be established by the mouth of two or three witnesses. But if they still won’t pay attention, report it to the church. If they won’t pay attention even to the church, treat them as you would a Gentile and tax collector. I assure you that whatever you fasten on earth will be fastened in heaven. And whatever you loosen on earth will be loosened in heaven. Again I assure you that if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, then my Father who is in heaven will do it for you. For where two or three are gathered in my name, I’m there with them.”


    https://thebiblesays.com/commentary/dan/dan-4/daniel-419b-23

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    1. samolucija,

      these Scripture passages come from a Protestant website which features Bible commentary by Protestant laymen and is endorsed by Protestant theologians and ministers.

      Catholics are forbidden to read any Bible translation or commentary that has NOT been authorized by the True Church of Jesus Christ, that is the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

      God Bless,
      Joanna S.

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  3. Thank you Lee from Australia.I enjoy your writing.God bless

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  4. We would be interested to know Introibo your comments if you have had time to listen to the recent talk on Catholic Family Podcast on Totalism vs Cassiciacum by Fr Lehtoranta?

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    1. @anon2:27
      I haven't had time to watch it. When my life calms down after Thanksgiving, I'll view it and give you my feedback here.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  5. Thank You Introibo.We will be waiting.God bless

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  6. Is the Jesus prayer approved by the Catholic Church?
    -Andrew

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    1. Andrew,
      The so-called "Jesus Prayer" is popular among Eastern Schismatics. I don't know of any approbation pre-V2, but I may be wrong. I know Bergoglio claims to say it all the time which is an automatic disincentive for me to pray it.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Andrew,
      the "Jesus prayer" has surely been a trendy "devotion" in the Novus Ordo and I personally have never seen it mentioned in any pre-Vatican II prayer books.
      It involves certain practices which bring to mind pagan meditation techniques: controlling one's breath and heartbeat, using the prayer rope in order to get into the right rhythm.

      As Introibo says, better to stay away from anything endorsed by Begoglio and his sect from hell.
      We have the Holy Rosary, in the words of St. Louis de Montfort the second greatest and most meritorious prayer after the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as revealed by Our Lady to Bl. Alan de Rupe (see: "The Secret of the Rosary" by St. Louis de Montfort).

      God Bless,
      Joanna S.

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    3. Joanna S., thank you for describing it, and for your other comments. I had never heard of this prayer before.
      -S.T.

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  7. Lee thank you,this is a great article!

    -Andrew

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    1. @anon7:21
      Lee does great work writing his guest posts!!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  8. We have a question for you Introibo and Lee.

    What does one do if at your workplace they are celebrating the hindu festival diwali.They ask you to join in the celebrations and meal?A friend works in a aged care home run by a protestant church and they allow their indian staff to have a statue of a hindu god set up on a table with flowers,etc and they have hindu inspired dancing.

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    1. Anon. 7:32

      I would just tell them I cannot join in the celebration and meal. If they ask why just say for personal reasons. Take the day off if you can. If not ,just don't show up at the celebration and meal. They'll be alright.

      Lee

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    2. @anon7:32,
      I agree with Lee. Since it's run by Protestants and not the government, you may be fired for (ironically) protesting against what they do.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. Okay Introibo and Lee.

      Indian-American folk here in the States said that there is nothing wrong with celebrating Diwali as a cultural day.What do you say

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    4. @anon3:16
      Indian-Americans who use that argument are, in my opinion, being disingenuous. Diwali is widely associated with Lakshmi, "goddess of prosperity" and Ganesha, "god of wisdom" and the remover of obstacles. It calls upon pagan deities and celebrates "victory of light over darkness, good over evil, and knowledge over ignorance."

      However, Christ is the Light of the world, good comes from the True God not the demon-gods of Hinduism, and knowledge should be of the Truth--not the falsehoods of paganism. While it's true that most Indian-Americans are Hindu, not all of them are part of paganism. Pre-V2, Catholicism was making inroads and converts in India. Fr. Pinto (RIP) was a Traditionalist priest ordained in India (and himself Indian).

      It is also true that Hinduism is a part of Indian culture, however, it is not exclusively such, and Diwali is openly and intrinsically pagan. A cultural celebration (truly such) could have Indian foods and drinks, clothing and Indian greetings/sayings.

      In my law firm, the Christmas party must be de-Christianized. "Merry Christmas" is forbidden and replaced with banners saying the Masonic "Happy Holidays." There can be no crèche, only the Masonic Santa Claus and Frosty the Snowman. "Christmas music" is restricted to "Rudolph, the Red Nosed Reindeer" and "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus."

      When I asked one of the partners (a Jew) if it was OK for me to put up a sign saying "Merry Christmas," play "O Come All Ye Faithful" and other Traditional Hymns, and put a Nativity scene up--he scoffed, "You're making it religious! Christmas is primarily religious so we must take out those elements to make it secular. We don't want to offend non-Christians." I said, "I understand. I don't want anyone saying "Happy Chanukah" or displaying Jewish symbolism. We must make it secular so as not to offend non-Jews, right?" I was asked to leave his office.

      Ask those Indian Americans if you can change Diwali to strip it of all religious significance so as not to offend non-Hindus. Their reaction will expose the "Diwali is cultural" lie.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    5. Anon 3:16,

      There is this thing call sin which the Indian American folk person doesn't understand. Besides, who cares what Indian American folk here in the United States say with regards to what is an isn't right or wrong? They're pagans!

      Lee

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  9. Does anyone here look at the Traditional Website called Catholicendtimetruths.com ?Does anyone know Joseph Saraceno?He has a link with CMRI or supports them but not sure if they or Bishop Pivarunas agrees with him.Comments please.

    Diwali is worship of Satan.Keep well away.

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    1. @anon7:46
      Please see the excellent post of Steven Speray:
      https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/against-the-false-prophet-joseph-saraceno/

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  10. You good folk should google and read the 2001 message of apostate "Cardinal" Arinze to the hindu's.

    Two statements stand out

    *Mutual respect and esteem for our respective religious traditions

    *I propose that we intensify our efforts to foster relations and promote dialogue between our communties.

    This is so diabolical and shows how far gone the Vatican Two Sect is.

    Any comments Lee and Introibo.

    Steven

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    1. Steven,

      "Cardinal" Arinze has nothing on Francis or John Paul II. Francis just recently addressed Muslim elders in Bahrain and said that they can be saved by transcendence and fraternity alone instead of saying Jesus Christ and his Bride the Church.

      John Paul II kissed a Koran, took his shoes off and bowed towards Mecca and even said may St. John the Baptist protect Islam. Everybody seems to forget about those because they are to busy worried about their latest 30 second tik tok sensation or some other unimportant matter.

      It's an entire new religion full of non-Catholics who think they are Catholic (I used to be one of them) The problem is a majority of people don't give a hoot about the truth and go along to get along. That's the real problem.

      Lee

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    2. Steven,
      Lee wrote exactly what I would have written. The V2 sect is not Catholic and fights against Catholicism. Arinze is a lightweight heretic compared to any of the so-called "popes" of V2.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. Personally if Bishop Arinze was offering a Tridentine Holy Mass near me, I'd happily attend + pray he'd hear my confession. I've held Sede opinion for 12 yrs and familiar with the anti una cum anti R+R anti Indult arguments. Bishop Arinze is 1 of 14 remaining valid Novus Ordo Roman Rite Bishops in existence.
      Once these 14 go to their hopefull eternal reward,no more validily Ordained Priests nor Consecrated Bishops in that organization.
      I don't know why,but this fact truly bothers me and can't help but think something even more devastating will come out of Rome. Pray for yourself and loved ones,shaky times indeed.
      Signed,
      Anonymous reader

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  11. I could not of said it any better Lee.Even Protestants can't believe the blasphemy and AntiChrist comments of Francis.

    Bishop Pivarunas told us some weeks ago in person that this is just the tip of the iceburg of how bad things are getting.worse is still to come.

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  12. Hello

    As a convert from the Novus Ordo sect.what are your thoughts on yoga?

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    1. @anon4:34
      It is intrinsically pagan and occult. I will be doing a podcast on yoga with Mr. Kevin Davis of Catholic Family Podcast, to be published sometime next week!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Introibo - looking forward to your talk, especially since I haven't gotten to your posts on the topic yet. I hope you end up doing a second talk on the music industry, too. God bless.
      -S.T.

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    3. Seeking Truth,
      Thank you! There will be a second podcast on music as well!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  13. Hello Introibo

    Yoga,I am glad you will be doing a talk on this.

    People should read about Hatha yoga and what its about.The "exercises" have been created to open up chakras.These are seven spiritual energy centres in the body.Through these,the kundalini-the latent "serpert" power coiled at the base of the spine-passes through a person as they move to greater enlightmentEach chakras is linked to a certain hindu deity.

    The serpert power is not from God but Satan.Some postures worship the sun.

    So much more could be said but look forward to your talk.

    James

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    1. Thanks, James, for these comments. I found them helpful. I only knew a little about yoga.
      -S.T.

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    2. James,
      Thank you. I will attempt to be as comprehensive on yoga as possible.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  14. Another very dangerous practice that is linked with yoga is tai chi.You are opening the door to the Demonic.

    There is much info out there about folk who use yoga,etc and have had out of body experience.Your thoughts Introibo.How anyone could dabble in this Satanic garbage is beyond words.We also look forward to your talk too.May God bless you and our Blessed Mother protect you always.

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    1. For many people, it is ignorance - as to how anyone could dabble in these practices. I don't wish to state which one(s) I have practiced, for my anonymity, but I was focused on the "positive" physical benefits vs the metaphysical/spiritual aspects. I didn't focus on the latter, and simply thought these aspects were related to God somehow (as all good things are) vs these Indian/Oriental/etc beliefs. Anyways, the Novus Ordo does not provide good guidance, and I have learned of some of the dangers since coming to the true Church.
      -S.T.

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    2. @anon10:06,
      Thank you, my friend! you are correct about Tai-Chi. I agree with Seeking Truth (S.T.) above, that many fall due to ignorance. The Vatican II sect offers no guidance and actually promotes such dangers to the soul.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  15. Lee,
    Thanks for sharing this information, it was very interesting. I knew nothing of it. I will share the story. God bless you.
    -Seeking Truth

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    1. Seeking Truth,

      Thank you for the comment and support as always.

      Lee

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  16. Introibo and Lee


    The above comment by me regarding my friend who works in a aged care home run by a protestant church and where the indian staff are allowed to celebrate Diwali.My friend told me this morning that for two weeks during that period each year they have statues of elephants at the main doorway and inside the dining room with bowls of hindu blessed water.The person in charge is a indian novus ordo Catholic.

    My firend believes there is a demonic present there always and not only during those two weeks.What should she do.

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    1. anon@8:03
      The only correct thing to do in that case--and I don't take this lightly--is to quit and get another job ASAP. Trust in God.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  17. Thank you.Can you and your readers please pray for them that they get another job.Their name starts with D.Does it not surprise you that the Indian Novus Ordo allows this to go on.My friend is quite shaken by this garbage.

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  18. Introibo,
    Can I get your learned opinion on something?

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    1. Ozon,
      I don't consider myself "learned," but I'll render my best opinion if you ask a question.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. This question has to do with something found considering going to SSPX for sacraments, and I have never heard this talked about by any clergy. There are 2 books and both say the same thing on Canon 2261.
      This one, the whole chapter is great, but the relevant part starts at page 91.
      https://archive.org/details/ExcommunicationItsNature/page/n99/mode/2up?view=theater

      This one backs it up as well starting at the bottom of page 76.
      https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/TheCatholicArchive_OCRed/Image_and_OCR_layers/%E2%80%9CThe%20Delict%20of%20Heresy%20in%20its%20Commission,%20Penalization,%20Absolution%E2%80%9D%20by%20the%20Rev.%20Eric%20MacKenzie,%20S.T.L.,%20J.C.L..pdf

      Both of these give a clear indication that we do not have to seek out just Sede priests, and that any priest that has not been sentenced, we can reach out to for the sacraments.

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    3. Further, correct me if I am wrong, but this puts a damper on the home-alone position as well, as this canon gives jurisdiction to the priest by the faithful's merely request. It seems that the request alone is satisfactory to grand the jurisdiction, that the church supplies to these undeclared priests.

      The second link, goes further than the first, by saying we can request sacraments from even a heretic, that has not been condemned or sentenced.

      Now due to all of this overwhelming evidence that I found, not from CMRI or MHT, but on my own.
      What are your thoughts and have you ever read these before?
      A while back I asked if we are not supposed to read Canon law, can we at least make decisions from commentaries on the code, such as this?

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    4. Orzon,
      This is an excellent question!! Let me perform due diligence and reply to you here later tonight!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    5. Orzon,
      I think there is significant merit to what you write! I need more time to study the information.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    6. Introbio,

      I have been on these books for a couple of months now. My priest is MHT. And I do not want to get his opinion, because he has given sermons and personally told me that there is no way we can go to SSPX, not even for confession or Baptism, especially the mass, unless in danger of death.

      So I don't think I would get a straight answer from him.
      Also, I have posted these findings in a Sede Facebook community, where a CMRI priest is an Admin. But he did deny the post from being submitted. I told him I just wanted a discussion of these writings, not to promote going to SSPX.

      Now, according to these books, we are allowed to go to an unsentenced heretic, even if he is conscious of the heresy, for any reason to advance our spiritual well-being. They give examples in those books.

      These two books on Canon 2261 section 2, have relieved my conscious from attending SSPX confessions because one is down the road and the sede chapel is an hour. And I think, just as it says, they should relieve all anxiety from any Sede who wants to go to SSPX, even out of convenience, or just not wanting to go to a sede priest. I am not sure how far to press it, but according to these we can go for pretty much any reason. Even if a sede priest is right next door.

      I have read all your writings on the SSPX issue, and I have seen you use Canon 2261, but I have never seen anyone, you, MHT or CMRI use these two book on Canon 2261 to back up their claims. And maybe some deliberatly leave them out, or possibly have never seen them before.

      I think you can use them now to back up your older posts on the cooties, and una cum, and home-alone subjects.

      My next concern would be, is there a sunday obligation to go to SSPX, if they are within an hour? I think not, because these two opinions, say that it is an option for the faithful, and not mandotory.

      I am anticipating your research and opinion as to what I claim here.

      Regards
      Ozson

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    7. Ozson,

      I will not attend a heretic or schismatic's Mass any more than St. Hermenegild refused communion from an Arian heretic. Only in danger of death would I go to confession to such a priest.

      The closest sede chapel for me is over 2hrs whereas an SSPX is within an 1 hour. I will have nothing to do with any cult priest from the SSPX. By doing so would be contributing to the serious problem of their existence. Also some SSPX priests are not valid because some have been ordained by Novus Ordo bishops. When you flirt with the new religion, you eventually commit spiritual fornication with the new religion.

      Lee

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    8. Lee,
      Fair enough, that is your choice. However, I think it is allowed and the documents I cite state it pretty clearly. If you want to comment about those two sources and point out somewhere that it is not an option, I am all ears.

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    9. Ozson,

      It goes beyond being "allowed."

      #1 As I mentioned some SSPX priests aren't even valid because of their ordinations from Novus Ordo bishops. This means their sacraments are as useless to you as me absolving you. So you better make sure whom you are getting sacraments from first.

      #2 What benefit pastorally or doctrinally does a Catholic get out of receiving sacraments from a valid priest?

      Take me for example: I used to attend Mass of two validly (pre-68) ordained priests both now deceased who said the traditional Mass. Neither one of them agreed with going to the SSPX nor did they agree with much of the Novus Ordo Church, but maintained that the New Church was still the Catholic Church. This means they had to agree with calling Vatican II a true Council (they did) and the new code of Canon law in full enforcement (they did) and that the New mass was valid (they did). Also women came in Church with their head uncovered and they couldn't say anything about it because it was "allowed." Sure you'll get good sermons. You'll get bells and smells. You'll get valid sacraments. You won't get Catholicism.

      In other words, when you go to these places for the sacraments you'll end up in the same boat as them by allowing yourself to be liberal like them when it comes to the key issues pertaining to the faith.

      #3 I don't promote staying at home but when you have them as the last choice it's better to stay home unless you need them in danger of death so as to avoid be polluted from their compromised positions. If you keep compromising you'll end up back in the Novus Ordo altogether.

      Lee

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    10. Hi Lee,
      One benefit I can say, if I am in mortal sin, I can get absolution, which gives me greater graces.
      I agree with you on everything you say. But I am really starting to have a problem with Sede's saying someone can not do something when the church clearly allows it.
      I have been a staunch anti SSPX or Una Cum my self. I have changed my tune after reading the material I sent to introibo along with his previous posts. I am only looking for his thoughts on these two citations I have found and asked his opinion.
      If the church allows someone to receive sacraments from a heretic that is even conscious of his heresy, then I suppose it knew what it was doing when it allowed that for the good of the faithful. Mine or your opinion aside.

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    11. Ozson,

      Thank you for your gracious comment. You certainly can receive absolution from an SSPX priest so long as he is valid. I just wouldn't attend their masses or be associated with them in any other way.

      Lee

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    12. Thank you all for these comments, I find them edifying. As some may know, this topic is currently making the rounds on another site, (NOW). I subscribe to Bp. Pivarunas's writings on the matter. From what I understand, SSPX chapels are typically much more accessible for most (myself included). Fortunately, we are able to travel the increased distance to a non una cum chapel. However, I think that it is good to know about this topic as it pertains to others who have not yet come to the true Faith. I am quite fond of St. Augustine's quote that Bp. Pivarunas references on the topic, "... in doubtful things, liberty; in all things, charity". That said, attending a SSPX mass, albeit for good reasons, can put one in spiritual danger - as we are social creatures, before you know it, once could get involved in fellowship and other activities, and put themselves at risk by spending time with those who perhaps knowingly are at peace with not submitting to a true pope.

      It is good to remember what Lee said about valid ordinations. Lee - you wrote "...some SSPX priests aren't even valid" - aren't you being generous with using the word "some"? Perhaps I am forgetting something, but aren't most under 80 or so ordained under the new, modified rite?

      -S.T.

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    13. S.T.,

      I could be generous, for I do not know the exact number of priests ordained by the society bishops in comparison to the Novus Ordo bishops.

      If I were in a situation where I lived in a country that only had SSPX and I needed to go to confession, I would probably go. In danger of death is what the Church teaches, but I would think in an extreme circumstance one could go to confession to such a priest provided if he was valid. For me being in danger hell fire is like being in danger of death for we do not know when the hour of death will arrive and quite frankly I want to be in sanctifying grace when die instead of mortal sin. On the other hand, I will never pray with them or attend their Masses because I do not believe in praying with those of a schismatical or heretical mindset. If I did, I might as well have stayed in the Novus Ordo.

      Even now I have to watch the Mass online on many weekends whether it be CMRI from Idaho or the SGG even though I could easily go to the SSPX, instead of driving much further to get to true priest with the Catholic faith. It's just the way it is.

      Lee

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    14. And if we don't have an SSPX priest nearby and we are in danger of death, we are left with perfect contrition. The Good Lord really planned everything for us during the Great Apostasy.

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    15. Thanks for the comments.

      Yes, being able to confess through an SSPX priest, and having the option of possible perfect contrition, are great gifts from God.

      -S.T.

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    16. OZSON,
      I'm continuing to study what you sent. I think it has great merit, but I need more time.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    17. Introibo,
      Thanks for your efforts. Because of the complete confirmation bias with many Sede priests, I have not taken this to any of my priests. At least not until I get your opinion on it.
      I am most assured they will tell me that as a layman, I cannot read these as I am not skilled, and it is dangerous for me to do so.

      Or they will say it is scandal to go to an SSPX thus nullifying what those two commentaries have written.
      I would think though, that if canon 2261 allows the faithful to go to a priest who is even conscious of his heresy, it would have taken that type of scandal into account.

      I suspect this was written, in normal times, for a Bishop who suspected a priest of heresy. The bishop would have then told him he could not say any public masses while this was going through the tribunals. During this time, the priest could still do all those things he can under 2261 section 2. And I imagine he would have been conscious of his heresy at this point because the bishop would have told him why he is not allowed to say masses.



      Take your time.
      Thank you

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  19. Are you folk aware that hindu's worship and burn cow dung in their homes.Can anyone believe this sick perverted garbage.

    Anonymous 9.20PM.Prayers for your friend D.Tell them don't worry and ask for the Blessed Mothers help.

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  20. Is this correct Introibo hindu's worship cow dung?

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    1. @anon9:38
      Yes. It is considered sacred along with the cow itself. It is used in fires for the purification of a house, and a couple of other rituals.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  21. Is this also true they mix cow urine with water to bless the house.etc.You must agree that this is sick.

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    1. @anon10:22
      I'm not sure about that one, but it could be true. I find all forms of paganism evil and repulsive.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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