Monday, April 7, 2025

Contending For The Faith---Part 38

 

In St. Jude 1:3, we read, "Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." [Emphasis mine]. Contending For The Faith is a series of posts dedicated to apologetics (i.e.,  the intellectual defense of the truth of the Traditional Catholic Faith) to be published the first Monday of each month.  This is the next installment.

Sadly, in this time of Great Apostasy, the faith is under attack like never before, and many Traditionalists don't know their faith well enough to defend it. Remember the words of our first pope, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1Peter 3:16). There are five (5) categories of attacks that will be dealt with in these posts. Attacks against:
  • The existence and attributes of God
  • The truth of the One True Church established by Christ for the salvation of all 
  • The truth of a particular dogma or doctrine of the Church
  • The truth of Catholic moral teaching
  • The truth of the sedevacantist position as the only Catholic solution to what has happened since Vatican II 
In addition, controversial topics touching on the Faith will sometimes be featured, so that the problem and possible solutions may be better understood. If anyone had suggestions for topics that would fall into any of these categories, you may post them in the comments. I cannot guarantee a post on each one, but each will be carefully considered.

Open Theism

A woman in the Vatican II sect was very upset. She had prayed that God would lead her to a find a good husband. After ten years, and in her mid-thirties, she met "Bill." Also a member of the Vatican II sect, he seemed to have everything for which she had been seeking. Bill was two years older, was never married, had a good job, wanted to raise a family, and went to "mass" each Saturday evening for Sunday. 

After dating ten months, Bill proposed and they got engaged. They went to "pre-Cana," and were married a little over six months later. Then things changed. After having been married only eight months, she found out Bill was having an affair with a woman colleague at his office. He asked forgiveness, and she forgave him. Two years later they had a baby. When the child was less than two years old, she caught him in another affair. He broke it off, but began to grow angry and verbally abusive. Soon, he started slapping her. When Bill refused to go to marriage counseling, she took their child, and went back to live with her parents. She filed for divorce and sought an "annulment."  

The woman went to her Vatican II sect "priest" for counseling. The lady was upset with God. "Why would God lead me to marry such an awful man?" she asked. The cleric responded, "“Don’t be mad at God. It wasn’t His fault. He gave you the best and wisest direction He could. He just didn’t realize what kind of a monster your husband would become. If He had known, He would never have led you to Bill. Take comfort in the fact that God is looking after you."

I hear stories like this more frequently. Like some Protestant sects, some members and clerics of the Vatican II sect deny that God's knowledge encompasses the future. It has been called Open Theism. In a related way, some Vatican II sect clergy go so far as to implicitly deny the Divinity of Christ by asserting Jesus did not know He was God until after the Resurrection. Since God is omniscient, if Christ wasn't omniscient at any time, He could not be God. This error goes back a long way with the Modernists. In Lamentabili Sane (1907), Pope St. Pius X condemned the following proposition:

35. Christ did not always possess the consciousness of His Messianic dignity.

In this post, the heresy of Open Theism will be explained and refuted. (I wish to credit the vary many books, articles, and various reference works which I used in compiling this post. I give credit to them and take none for myself.---Introibo). 

An Overview of Open Theism

There are differing points of view among the various "Openness" theologians and philosophers, so I’d like to hone in on a central issue that unifies them all. All Open Theists allege that God does not know which future contingent events will occur. Several issues need clarification first. Openness proponents are not claiming that God knows no future events. He does know several kinds of things regarding the future. 

God knows how He will respond to certain human actions such as sin and love. He knows future events that are causally determined from previous ones (e.g., future earthquakes based on his infallible knowledge of plate tectonics and other factors); He knows His own future actions (e.g., “I will rescue My people Israel in four hundred years,” etc.); because He has infallible knowledge of all present and past events, He knows everything that can be known about the future that can be inferred from the past and present (e.g., a non-citizen will not be elected president of the U.S. in 2028); and He knows many other things that can be inferred from His infallible present knowledge.

What God does not know for sure, according to Openness proponents, are future contingent events. Yet, what are they? Future contingent events are future events that are not causally determined by present events. Future human actions would be prime examples of future contingent events. For example, God does not know for sure what I will have for dinner tonight, who will ultimately decide to run for president of the U.S. in 2028, and what sins any particular person might commit tomorrow.

God not only does not know for sure what will happen in such situations as these, but He also does not know for sure what would happen given other conditions in such situations. This latter kind of knowledge is referred to as “conditional future contingent events.” An example of this is that not only does God not know for sure who will win the next presidential election, He does not know what a person who is not elected would do in a given situation if he would have been elected. At best, God knows what he could do in future situations, but not what that person would do if faced with them.

As a result of what God does and does not know, He is ignorant of virtually all of humanity’s future. He knows future possibilities but not future realities; he knows what could happen but not what will happen. He is a very good guesser, no doubt, and His guesses or predictions are based on infallible present knowledge, but He sometimes gets things wrong. Thus God can make assessments about our future actions based on our present character, but sometimes He is mistaken and surprised (as the Vatican II sect priest stated to the woman in the story at the beginning of this post). 

Why do they believe this about God? Openness proponents typically maintain that there is a dichotomy here such that if God foreknows our future actions, then they cannot be free actions. However, if we do have free will, then God cannot know the future free actions of His creatures. Calvinist heretics will never be among open theists since they deny humans have free will. The other Protestant sects that affirm free will, as well as the Vatican II sect, will fall prey to this heresy. 

The Teaching of the Church

From theologian Ott:

By the knowledge of vision (scientia visionis) God also foresees the future free acts of the rational creatures with infallible certainty. (De fide)...The dogma of human freedom is not abrogated by the dogma of the infallible certainty of the Divine prevision of future free actions...Divine foreknowledge imposes as little compulsion on future actions as human remembering does on the past. (See Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, [1955], pg. 41; Emphasis in original).  

God also knows the conditioned future free actions with infallible certainty(Scientia futuribilium). (Sent. communis.) By these are understood free actions of the future which indeed will never occur, but which would occur, if certain conditions were fulfilled...The Thomists deny that this knowledge of the conditioned future is a special kind of Divine knowledge which precedes the decrees of the Divine Will...the Divine foreknowing of conditioned future things is is based on the infinite perfection of the Divine knowing, on the infallibility of the Divine providence, and on the practice of prayer in the Church. (Ibid, pg. 42; Emphasis in original). 

Sacred Scripture:

There are many examples in the Old Testament of God foreknowing the future actions of human beings—actions that were freely accomplished and yet were prophesied to happen. The prophet Isaiah uses this kind of knowledge as a demonstration that God is, in fact, the true God. For example, Isaiah 44:6–8 says:

Thus saith the Lord the king of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.  Who is like to me? let him call and declare: and let him set before me the order, since I appointed the ancient people: and the things to come, and that shall be hereafter, let them shew unto them. Fear ye not, neither be ye troubled, from that time I have made thee to hear, and have declared: you are my witnesses. Is there a God besides me, a maker, whom I have not known?

God also knows what would happen given different future scenarios. For example, in 1 Kings 23:6–13 the prophet describes a scenario in which Saul was intending to attack David and his men at a city called Keilah. David then inquires of God, through Abiathar the priest, whether the people of the city will surrender David into Saul’s hand if and when Saul attacks. God informs him that they will indeed do this if he remains in the city. So we see here that God knew that if David were to remain in Keilah, then Saul and his men would come after him, and if Saul were to come after him, then the men of Keilah would hand David over to Saul. These events did not happen, for David fled Keilah. So it was not that God foreknew merely what was going to happen, but what would happen

In the New Testament we also see the notion of God’s foreknowledge mentioned and described on a number of occasions. For example, in 1 Peter 1:10–11 Peter notes that the Old Testament prophets foretold the sufferings and glory of Christ. Peter also refers to groups of believers in Asia, Galatia, and elsewhere as being “chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father” (1 Peter 1:1–2). Likewise, Paul states in Romans 8:29 that “those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son.” Jesus himself has foreknowledge of future events that entail human freedom. For example, in his Olivet Discourse (St. Matthew 24:1– 25:46) He tells His disciples about the times and signs of the destruction of the Temple. During the Passover meal, He also foretells his betrayal—a free and sinful future action by Judas.

Many other examples could be given.

Sacred Tradition

St. Jerome: For Adam did not sin because God knew that he would do so; but God inasmuch as He is God, foreknew what Adam would do of his own free choice. (Against the Pelagians. Book 3 part 6).

St. Irenaeus: Man has received the knowledge of good and evil. It is good to obey God, and to believe in Him, and to keep His commandment, and this is the life of man; as not to obey God is evil, and this is his death. Since God, therefore, gave [to man] such mental power (magnanimitatem) man knew both the good of obedience and the evil of disobedience, that the eye of the mind, receiving experience of both, may with judgment make choice of the better things; and that he may never become indolent or neglectful of God’s command; and learning by experience that it is an evil thing which deprives him of life, that is, disobedience to God, may never attempt it at all, but that, knowing that what preserves his life, namely, obedience to God, is good, he may diligently keep it with all earnestness. Wherefore he has also had a twofold experience, possessing knowledge of both kinds, that with discipline he may make choice of the better things. …Offer to Him thy heart in a soft and tractable state, and preserve the form in which the Creator has fashioned thee, having moisture in thyself, lest, by becoming hardened, thou lose the impressions of His fingers. … If, however, thou wilt not believe in Him, and wilt flee from His hands, the cause of imperfection shall be in thee who didst not obey, but not in Him who called [thee]. … Nor, [in like manner], does the light fail because of those who have blinded themselves; but while it remains the same as ever, those who are [thus] blinded are involved in darkness through their own fault. The light does never enslave any one by necessity; nor, again, does God exercise compulsion upon any one unwilling to accept the exercise of His skill. Those persons, therefore, who have apostatized from the light given by the Father, and transgressed the law of liberty, have done so through their own fault, since they have been created free agents, and possessed of power over themselves. But God, foreknowing all things, prepared fit habitations for both, kindly conferring that light which they desire on those who seek after the light of incorruption, and resort to it; but for the despisers and mockers who avoid and turn themselves away from this light, and who do, as it were, blind themselves, He has prepared darkness suitable to persons who oppose the light, and He has inflicted an appropriate punishment upon those who try to avoid being subject to Him. (Against Heresies chapter 39).

St. John Chrysostom: But when He said, “It must needs be,” it is not as taking away the power of choosing for themselves, nor the freedom of the moral principle, nor as placing man’s life under any absolute constraint of circumstances, that He saith these things, but He foretells what would surely be; and this Luke hath set forth in another form of expression, “It is impossible but that offenses should come.” But what are the offenses? The hindrances on the right way. Thus also do those on the stage call them that are skilled in those matters, them that distort their bodies. It is not then His prediction that brings the offenses; far from it; neither because He foretold it, therefore doth it take place; but because it surely was to be, therefore He foretold it; since if those who bring in the offenses had not been minded to do wickedly, neither would the offenses have come; and if they had not been to come, neither would they have been foretold. But because those men did evil, and were incurably diseased, the offenses came, and He foretells that which is to be. (Homilies # 59 on Mathew 18:7).

Philosophical refutation:

An argument for God’s knowing future free human actions, then, can be put succinctly in the following format: 

1. God is omniscient. 

2. An omniscient being knows all truths. 

3. Therefore God knows all truths. 

4. There are truths about future contingent events (e.g., future free human actions). 

5. Therefore, God knows all truths about future contingent events.

Typically those in the Openness camp will not deny God’s omniscience; they will not deny, that is, steps 1–3. So this leaves step 4, that there are truths about future free human actions, and this is in fact the step most frequently challenged. The argument takes a number of forms, but the most persuasive of them goes something like this: “God is omniscient, which means that God knows all truths. But future free human actions are not truths. Since the future does not yet exist, there are no truths about the future. So, while God does not know future free human actions, that does not mean that he isn’t omniscient. He is omniscient, for he knows everything that can be known. Since the future doesn’t exist, it cannot be known, even by an omniscient being.”

First, remember that truth is a correspondence between a proposition and what actually is--i.e., reality.  Further, statements are either true or false, and they are either past tense, present tense, or future tense. So, it is either true or false that Donald J. Trump is President of the United States on  April 7, 2025. Of course, we know that it’s true. However, what is interesting is that facts—those things that make statements (propositions) true—can refer to issues of the past, the present, or the future. Consider this statement: “Joe Biden did lose the presidential election in 2024.” Is this statement true? Of course. Notice that it is a past fact that makes it true. Similarly, consider this statement: “Iraq will have a Communist government in 2027.” This statement, too, must be either true or false. Obviously we don’t know whether it’s true or false, but that is beside the point. It is one or the other. And what makes it either true or false is what form the future government of Iraq turns out to be—a future fact. 

Openness proponents have challenged the view that future-tense contingent statements are either true or false. They argue that such statements are neither true nor false but indeterminate. Since the future is not here yet, there are no future facts. So, for example, it is neither true nor false that Iraq will have a Communist government in 2027; it is simply indeterminate. However, this view that there are no future facts leads to a number of difficulties. First, if future-tense statements are neither true nor false, then past-tense statements cannot be true or false either, for what makes the one true (or false) is the same thing that makes the other true (or false)—namely, a fact referring to the past or a fact referring to the future. The past no longer exists, and the future is yet to exist. We can’t consistently affirm that past facts now exist but future facts do not. One is simply in the past, and the other is simply in the future. To give up on the one is to give up on the other. Surely, no one wants to claim that it is neither true nor false that Joe Biden lost the election in 2024!

Take the statement, "It is raining today in NYC." If that is true, then the statement, "It will rain in NYC tomorrow" was true yesterday. Therefore, it is more reasonable than not to believe that there are truths about future contingent events, which is step 4 in the argument presented. Given, then, agreement with steps 1–4, the conclusion, step 5—that God knows all truths about future contingent events (such as future free human actions)—must also be true.

Lastly, God exists outside of time. Everything, past, present, and future is beheld by Him even if it does not yet exist for humans

The Evil Consequences of Believing Open Theism

All heresies have logical corollaries which bring further evil.  

1. Lack of Confidence in God's Guidance.

On the Openness view, God does not know our future. Not only does He not know where you will have dinner tonight, for example, but He does not know for sure where you’ll be next week, or what your life and career will look like in the next five, ten, or twenty years. On such a view of God, how can humans be assured that He will guide us correctly in any future matter of significance? How can people trust a God Who either doesn’t know the future or Who merely watches our lives from a distance?

2. No Divine Comfort.

Not only does such a view of God’s foreknowledge seem to be a diminishing of what He truly knows, but it also tends to create a feeling of uneasiness, uncertainty, and even a sense that "God cannot really help me."

3. Prayer becomes mostly useless.

If God doesn't really know what will and would happen, praying to Him for something in the future would be futile. Since God can't be certain as to what will be the future free acts of His creatures, how can He intervene correctly to answer many kinds of prayer intentions? 

Conclusion

Open Theism is heretical and blasphemous. It is a denial of God's omniscience as always understood and taught by the Church. Don't let any Vatican II sect member try to convince you otherwise. For I know the plans I have for thee,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper thee and not to harm thee, plans to give thee hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11; Emphasis mine).

50 comments:

  1. There are many types of theism such as Pantheism and atheism. Can you please explain theism to me? Also, pre-Cana is a term used for couples before weddings.

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    1. Ryan,
      "Theism" used in the sense herein refers to those who believe in one God, the Christian God. I know all about so-called "pre-Cana" which is unlike marriage preparation pre-Vatican II. Pre-Cana often involves no clergy and gives flase teaching on the sacrament of Matrimony.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Dear Introibo,
      I remember on your interview with Kevin Davis on Star Wars where you discovered a demon resembling Yoda in a 1930s demonology book. Yoda was not there until the 1980s and the book was 1930s. What is the name of the book you read so that I can check it?

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    3. Ryan,
      I'd have to check. That was awhile ago, and I found it at the NYC Library. If I find my notes, I'll place the name here.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  2. Some people don't trust God, preferring instead to rely on astrology, tarot or spirits. This is another characteristic of our times.

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    1. Simon,
      Good point! As the True God is denigrated, more and more turn to the occult--trusting in evil forces rather than God, Who allegedly has "defects" as in open theism.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  3. "Lastly, God exists outside of time. Everything, past, present, and future is beheld by Him even if it does not yet exist for humans."

    I believe this is THE strongest argument for the debunking of open theism. Those who propose this audacious heresy are creatures bounded by time and space daring to put the constraints of their created minds on the Uncreated Creator.

    Thank you for a great post, Introibo!

    God Bless You,
    Joanna

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    1. Joanna,
      I'm glad you found the post helpful! It's tragic to see so many heresies arising. Can the end be far behind?


      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. There have always been heresies, but now that there's no longer a true Pope to condemn them, they have a clear path to progress. I think this is a sign that the end of the world is near.

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    3. A brief synopsis of St. Augustine's the Eternal Present would be a handy edit to this excellent tract.

      Technically, I don't think Biden actually lost the 2024 election did he? He didn't contest it. It was 4 years earlier that he lost, but that's another story.

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  4. Have you seen on sgg.org that clergy affiliated with St. Gertrude's and RCI met recently in Brooksville FL?

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    1. @anon1:16
      It was brought to my attention. Hopefully, something good will come from it.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  5. Interesting comment.I was just going to post this myself.I just listened to a recent video of Stephen Heiner talking with bishop Sanborn.The bishop said that things are better now between them and they have respect for each others views on the pope issue.I wonder what brought this about?

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    1. @anon3:21
      I was wondering what caused this to happen as well. If any of my readers can offer some insight, please comment.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. @anon3:21pm

      I do not know what brought this about but unity between the Sede factions is definitely needed. There will never be complete unity without a pope, but there is much headway that could be made if these groups try to come together. This really should have occurred long ago. Some were more willing to come to the table than others. Hopefully in time this coming together between the SGG and RCI extends to the SSPV, the CMRI, and others and it bears much fruit.

      -TradWarrior

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  6. Introibo.It is interesting that Bishop Sanborn was advised by the late Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer to go to Bishop Guerard des Lauriers for ordinations,etc.Do you really think a man like that would go through a invalid consecration having been at Econe,etc.Bishop Sanborn does not care if Father William Jenkins calls him Father.The Thuc-line through Bishops Carmona and des Lauriers is valid.Father Jenkins needs to stop confusing faithful with misleading info.God bless

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    1. @anon6:04
      I agree100%. The episcopal lineage that comes down through Carmona and des Lauriers are certainly valid. The only line I reject is the one that comes through the Palmar de Troya fiasco where those ordained and consecrated were totally unfit and untrained.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  7. I think most sedes don't worry what Fathers Jenkins views are on that subject now.

    I wonder what the marriage failure rates are in the Novus Ordo?

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    1. @anon11:18am

      Statistics vary greatly in this area, but the divorce numbers in the Novus Ordo are not good. It has been said that divorces may decrease in the coming years, but that is just because more people are just opting to not marry. Many people simply choose to live together. There are more single people now in western civilization than I believe in any other time in history. The maturity factor is no longer there. People who were a certain age years ago in the Greatest Generation or Baby Boomer generation are VASTLY different than people the same age today in younger generations. A 25 year old years ago is not the same as a 25 year old today, nor a 30 year old, nor a 40 year old. It has changed! Gen X, Gen Y (millennials), and Gen Z are not used to a stable environment where someone is bound to something (or someone) for life. Younger generations are glued to their technology and rapid change. Facebook, X (Twitter), Instagram, etc. are all younger people know today. The effect on males has been devastating. Feminism has destroyed chivalry and if the male has nothing to fight for and protect (e.g. a wife and children), then what’s the point? No fault divorces have increased in many areas and if a woman can leave a man without any justified reason and take half of everything financially, then on a psychological level, imagine what this does to the male. There are problems the other way too. There have been many good and decent women who have been burned unjustly in bad marriages where the man is at fault. The demons delight in the damage that has been wrought on the West in just the last couple of decades. Destroy the family and you destroy the culture. It’s that simple.

      There has even been a recent trend of Baby Boomers divorcing now in their 60’s. I look particularly at the last 3 generations (through Gen Z) and I honestly do not have a lot of hope for most marriages today. I have seen several couples (many of them young) and have seen separations and divorces after just a few years of marriage. Their marriage was barely “off to the races” and it was finished before it even really started. What passes for masculinity in Gen Y and Gen Z is not what passed for masculinity in the older generations still living. I see many younger females absolutely “head over heels” for their boyfriends and new husbands and think to myself, “This is the kind of man that does it for you? Really???” It is sad. They would look with puzzlement at me if I even brought such a statement up. But it is true. There has been a dramatic shift the last few decades. 50 years ago in the 1970’s, I read stories of younger guys who were already having problems and were complaining to clerics that they couldn’t find a decent girl to marry because feminism had already started to do much damage and we are now a half century beyond that. Not good. One other major problem I continue to see and have been vocal about is the number of young couples that I see being married by traditional clergy. And by this I mean Sede, R & R, and Novus Ordo clergy. It doesn’t matter. It is across the board. I could not in good conscience marry most couples that I see today, especially young ones, and yet these clergymen continue to marry couples who are so young, naïve, and immature, that they do not have any idea what they are doing. They are oblivious to so many of the dangers in the world. I honestly do not understand why this mentality continues among so many clergymen, but it does. I firmly believe that it will continue to be disastrous down the road. Some couples will make it (hopefully many do), but most I fear will not.

      -TradWarrior

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    2. Hello TradWarrior

      The above comment from you about the Sacrament of Marriage,Divorce and the your info about generations of couples in recent years is the best writing I have read in years.You explain it so well.

      I have seen so many foolish women marrying the most unsuitable men in recent years.Pages could be written.More later

      God bless you brother

      TradSedeCath,New Zealand

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    3. I would agree with your post except the last part in which young couples married by trad/sede Catholic priests are suspect just because they are young (perhaps the non-sedes would be a bit, due to their defective teachings such as too lax annulment process). Usually young trad couples are on average more mature and learned for their age than their cohorts. And besides, it is good for the Church to grow and give more souls to the Lord: whether through procreative marriages that give us baptized children, or through celibate marriages and holy orders that give us much spiritual fruit. It is true, before marriages the young trad couples should be thoroughly educated in Catholic faith and morals as best as possible, specially given the fallenness of the modern world; so they are aware of what Catholic marriage entails and so they are sure they love their spouse and God so as to go through with it. But this by itself doesn't mean they should delay marriage until they are too old to procreate (and perhaps be more tempted into fornication and cohabitation in the process); they can be given the choice to stay celibate after marriage for a while or permanently as well; but if they have love for each other and love of God, why delay? And if they love God and yet not each other, why be betrothed? Far more couples break up after "waiting for the right moment" than after early marriages (which are not the same as shotgun weddings, which in fact would be invalid, as they would be under duress, and annulment would apply [iirc?]; but even then, it would not be wrong for the unmarried parents of the child to be convinced [without duress] that it would be better for them and specially for their child to put away personal qualms and obstacles [just as they did when fornicating] and marry, given the Catholic view of the primary end of marriage being procreation - and if not, well a Catholic confessional state should charitably work with the Church to help children out of wedlock and orphans).

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  8. As a young man I see major problems in even Traditonal chapels is how worldly folk have become.Shocking too is how you state some of these young woman courting and marrying men who are so unfit is beyond words.They would set their sight on men who have a fast car or other worldly pursuits and no real prayer life or don't really care attitude towards the Faith and show no interest in a hardworking God fearing man who takes his prayer life and Faith very seriously who would make a good husband and father to their children.I have seen this over the years in the SSPX.Even the parents of these women have no problem with the men these woman go out with and marry.Where are all the good women?How very sad.

    Introibo,this is a another good subject for a future writing.

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    1. @anon12:29
      I agree that it would make a good post for a future date!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  9. I agree amd ask where the good men are too!?I never married. Most men I met only wanted one thing.

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    1. @anon2:10
      You speak the sad truth. There are many ungodly men; it's not just women.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thank-you for acknowledging Introibo. It is quite upsetting to me on many levels. When I was R&R I met an indult priest to serve my chapel. At first he seemed quite holy. He got accustomed to me and eventually let his true self be seen and it was not pretty. He told me he was going to leave NO. He was really just leading me on and stealing my money...as I was supporting his move, supposedly, out of NO. I broke ties with him 11 22 and I kid you not, he came back to my town to taunt me. He called my friend and gained access to their oceanfront Beach home(where I used to have him stay). It got so bad I had to sell my home. He took great advantage of me but God still led me to the Truth . sadly, he is victimizing my NO pals now because he truly just loves a lavish life style, which I originally contributed to and helped accustom him to. God help us!

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    3. @anon5:41
      What you have described is not a cleric of any kind, but rather a two-bit criminal. "Taunt you"? "gained access" to someone's home? Selling your house?

      Certainly sounds like you could have filed a police report and pressed charges, as well as sued him. He belongs in prison. Never put up with bullying/criminal behavior.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  10. I wonder what the percentage of Novus Ordo folk would be using contraceptive means?

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    1. @anon3:14
      The last statistic I saw for the United States was over 80% for the Vatican II sect. Many probably didn't tell the truth; I'm guessing around 95% in actuality.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  11. Hi Introibo

    Great subject thank you.

    The several comments about marriage and divorce above.Have you ever heard the the term called "shotgun" marriages?It means a man is forced by the dad to marry his daughter because as the result of having intercourse she is now pregnant.What percentage of these marriages last do you think?

    Benedict

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    1. A online study says after a decade,the divorce rate for shotgun weddings is 30%I am sure it is higher.

      God bless you

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    2. @anon5:26
      Interesting! Do you have a citation for that statistic? I'd be interested in reading it. I'm guessing the rate is much higher too.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. Could you please do a post on woke marxism? Newdiscourses.com has some helpful resources. I think Catholics need to learn more about this as it affects both sides of politics.

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    4. New Discourses was ok 2 years ago, but now it's quality has decreased. James Lindsay is a smart guy but he is to Zionist to be taken seriously. You can benefit from his analysis of critical theory, though. Also agree with commenter down there who says politics is a scam.

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      I will certainly consider it! Thank you for the suggestion and citation.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  12. Can someone please clarify...I have read that Jesus was on cross for 6 hours and 3 hours. Today, for example, Gueranger says 3 hours. I cannot recall the many others who have said 6 off the top of my head but I assume Introibo knows and /or his awesome readers! Holy feast to all.

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    1. @anon12:54
      The sources I have all say 3 hours. I have not seen any that say 6 hours. If someone has a citation to such a source, I will try to vet it.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thank you very much!

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  13. Not to be discourteous, but politics a scam. Left/right paradigm is to keep folks at odds and not fight New World Order oppressors. Our republic was hijacked in 1930s before V2...but plan all along. Read Redemption Manual and just disregard the religion aspect to it, as they get that wrong like most. No one seems to know the NO a scam as is our govt/country/world. New World Order/Govt/Religion.
    https://archive.org/details/redemption-manual-4-5-edition/page/69/mode/1up

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      Most politics today is a joke. Gone are the days of real rulers like King St. Louis IX.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  14. Very interesting. This clarifies for me how God sees the future the same as the past and the present. God bless.

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  15. Hello Intriobo. Do you if the depicting of God the Father was banned at the 7th ecumenical council?

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    1. John,
      No, it was not. That decree came from the Russian Orthodox "Stoglav Synod" in 1551. It come from a schismatic sect and has no bearing on Catholics.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thank you Intriobo.

      John Gregory

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  16. Anon April 9th 12.29am-You made very good comments.I could not have said it better.

    Anon April 9th 2.10pm-Yes, where are the good men too.Most are so immature.Most spend all their time sitting in front of the screen playing silly and stupid computer games and have zero prayer life.While most women sit reading silly secular magazines and listening to sick,trash music and glued to their phones.No wonder the children go off the rails.

    I am glad that Introibo will look at a future writing on this subject.

    Introibo,JohnGregory and all dear readers.May you all have a very grace filled Holy Week.Be happy that you have the Faith and can see the signs of the times.God bless you

    TradSedeCath,NZ

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    1. Thank you very much! You too!!!
      John Gregory

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  17. I've seen some documentaries pre 1958 and they do not seem good at all. I am.worried that much are lies and what are we to believe? Getting sick over this!

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  18. About history and/or fake history which often portray pre 1958 popes as quite nefarious. How do we know for sure that Bible and Tradition have survived as we know today versus the history of the rest which is so distorted and manipulated.

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    1. If the distorted and manipulated sinful world (including the novusordo sect) is the one that makes those documentaries, why would you believe them? Why not instead believe the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?

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