Monday, May 5, 2025

Contending For The Faith---Part 39

 


In St. Jude 1:3, we read, "Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." [Emphasis mine]. Contending For The Faith is a series of posts dedicated to apologetics (i.e.,  the intellectual defense of the truth of the Traditional Catholic Faith) to be published the first Monday of each month.  This is the next installment.

Sadly, in this time of Great Apostasy, the faith is under attack like never before, and many Traditionalists don't know their faith well enough to defend it. Remember the words of our first pope, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1Peter 3:16). There are five (5) categories of attacks that will be dealt with in these posts. Attacks against:
  • The existence and attributes of God
  • The truth of the One True Church established by Christ for the salvation of all 
  • The truth of a particular dogma or doctrine of the Church
  • The truth of Catholic moral teaching
  • The truth of the sedevacantist position as the only Catholic solution to what has happened since Vatican II 
In addition, controversial topics touching on the Faith will sometimes be featured, so that the problem and possible solutions may be better understood. If anyone had suggestions for topics that would fall into any of these categories, you may post them in the comments. I cannot guarantee a post on each one, but each will be carefully considered.

The Error of "Being Zen"
I wish to acknowledge the many sources I utilized in the composition of this post; both online and in print. I take no credit except for condensing the material into a terse and readable post---Introibo

On a personal note: Please pray for the repose of the soul of my spiritual father, Fr. Gommar A. DePauw, JCD who went to Judgement  twenty years ago this May 6th.  

I was working late in my office and almost everyone at the firm was gone for the day. I work best when things are quiet, but I put on some "forest sounds" which I find soothing. A young associate must have heard the noises, as he opened the door and stuck his head inside. "Oh, it's you with those nature sounds! I like it; it's very Zen." The young man pulled his head out, shut the door and abruptly left. He's a member of the Vatican II sect. I hear lots of so-called "Catholics" of the Vatican II sect and other "Christians" saying this quite often here in New York City. 

According to Merriam-Webster, to "be Zen" means having or showing qualities (such as meditative calmness and an attitude of acceptance) popularly associated with practitioners of Zen Buddhism. Few who use the term are actual Buddhists, although some may practice pagan yoga and a large number perform some kind of pagan meditation. Being "Zen" is meant as a compliment, but if someone truley Christian knew about Zen, they would not find it agreeable at all.

Defining Zen depends on one’s perspective. For some, Zen is a philosophy of life. For others it is religion not philosophy. According to one expert, “Zen is an intuitive religion and not a philosophy or way of life.”​ (See John Blofeld, The Zen Teaching of Huang Po, on the Transmission of Mind [1958], pg. 10). Zen is inherently self-contradictory.

A good illustration of the problem can be seen at ibiblio.org/zen/faq.html. Read the “Frequently Asked Questions from alt.zen.” Here are the first three questions and partial answers. Question one is, “What is Zen (the simple question)?” We are told that Zen is sometimes called a religion, sometimes a philosophy. “Choose whichever term you prefer, it simply doesn’t matter.” Question two is, “What is Zen (the real question)?” One reply is that the essence of Zen is, “Have you eaten yet?” Question three is, “Why do people post such nonsense to this group?” The answer is that, according to Zen’s intuitive understanding, “words and sentences have no fixed meaning, and logic is often irrelevant.” The “Empty Gate Zen Center” (See emptygatezen.com/) is part of the International consortium of Zen centers known as the Kwan Um School of Zen, founded in 1977 by Zen master Seung Sahn. At its website, it describes Zen as follows:
 “Zen is keeping don’t know mind always and everywhere.”(Whatever that means). 

So how should Traditionalists define Zen? Perhaps most simply as an unusual sect of Buddhism that stresses enlightenment attained by mystical technique, contradiction and intuition. Zen is usually practiced by some form of meditation to make the mind blank and "become one with the universe." This is achieved by repeating a nonsensical question called a koan over and over. The most famous koan is, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" Therefore, Zen is based on the heresy of pantheism; that God and the universe are one and the same.

There is much wrong with thinking God and the universe are one. The Vatican Council (1870), infallibly condemned the idea:

3. If anyone shall say that the substance and essence of God and of all things is one and the same; let him be anathema.

4. If anyone shall say that finite things, both corporeal and spiritual, or at least spiritual, have emanated from the Divine substance; or that the Divine essence, by the manifestation and evolution of itself, becomes all things; or, lastly, that God is a universal or indefinite being, which by determining itself constitutes the universality of things, distinct according to genera, species and individuals; let him be anathema.

5. If anyone does not confess that the world, and all things that are contained in it, both spiritual and material, have been, in their whole substance, produced by God out of nothing; or shall say that God created, not by His will, free from all necessity, but by a necessity equal to the necessity whereby He loves Himself; or shall deny that the world was made for the glory of God; let him be anathema.

At one level, Zenists will argue that a "Catholic" (Vatican II sect member) can practice Zen to great benefit. At another level, the Zen doctrine of oneness makes Zen believers religious syncretists: all religions are believed to contain the same essence (Zen). While at odds with the Traditional Catholic Faith, Zen comports well with the teachings of Vatican II.

The heretical document Gaudium et Spes falsely attributes to pagan sects, like Hinduism and Buddhism (of which Zen is part), that they believe in God as the Creator of the universe. Paragraph #36 states: "...[All] believers of whatever religion have always heard His revealing voice in the discourse of creatures." The Eastern pagans completely ignore the idea of a God who created from nothing and who reveals Himself in His creatures. This is because these Eastern religions are convinced that reality proceeds through the emanation of an impersonal, cosmic, eternal force which is identically replicated in all things; from which force all comes, and to which all returns, becoming a part of it, and dissolving into it. That teaching of Vatican II isn't merely heretical, it's an outright lie easily detected by anyone familiar with pagan teachings. 

Vatican II is VERY Zen
Fr. Robert E. Kennedy, S.J. was born June 20, 1933 and was ordained a priest  (validly) as Vatican II was ending in 1965. He is also a Zen roshi ("Master") recognized by Buddhists as such. Here is his bio:
Robert E. Kennedy, S.J., author of Zen Spirit, Christian Spirit and Zen Gifts to Christians, is one of several practicing Catholic men and women who are recognized by the Buddhist community as zen teachers. He is a licensed psychoanalyst and professor emeritus of theology at St. Peter’s College in Jersey City. 

As a Christian Fr. Kennedy has found meaning and deep reverence in the practice of zen. He is active in interfaith work, teaching zen to persons of all faiths, conducting retreats in the United States, Mexico, Ireland and England. 

He studied zen in Japan with the Japanese master Yamada Roshi. He continued his study under Maezumi Roshi in Los Angeles and Bernard Tetsugen Glassman Roshi in New York; in 1997 he received inka, the formal seal of approval, from Glassman Roshi and received the title Roshi, or Master. He holds doctorates in Theology from the University of Ottawa and from St. Paul University in Ottawa, a Masters in Theology from Sophia University in Tokyo, and a Doctor of Ministry in Psychology and Clinical Studies from Andover-Newton in Boston. He is a graduate of the Blanton-Peale Institute of Religion and Health in New York. 

Roshi Kennedy [Notice his disdain for the noble title "Fr." preferring the pagan title Roshi] has written two books on Zen and Christianity: Zen Gifts to Christians and Zen Spirit, Christian Spirit.

In 2017, Roshi Kennedy received two honorary doctorates, one from St. Peter's University, and one from the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Massachusetts. (Emphasis mine). 

In his book, Zen Spirit, Christian Spirit, Kennedy informs the reader:
...not all Christians will be interested in practicing Zen because of its disagreement with Christianity on theological and philosophical issues. Even though that may be the case, Zen can remind us of essential truths in our own Christian religion, which, because of our daily distractions, we tend to forget.(pg. 17; Emphasis mine).

In the opening chapter, Zen and the Jesuits, the apostate priest states:
Often I am asked by Christians, “How can you as a Christian Jesuit Catholic [remember when Jesuits were Catholic and Catholics were the only true Christians by definition?] priest teach us about the practice and beauty of Zen Buddhism? Wouldn’t it be more Christian to teach us about the practice and beauty of our own faith?” In attempting to answer these questions, I point to the fact that Jesuits believe that we are more Christ-like—not less so—when we reach out to the vast non-Christian world with admiration and collaboration. (Emphasis mine). 

Kennedy is applying the principle of Vatican II spelled out in Nostra Aetate. That document tells us in paragraph #2, The Catholic Church (sic) rejects nothing that is true and holy (vera et sancta) in these religions [pagan, non-Christian religions; principally Hinduism and Buddhism]. She looks with sincere respect upon those ways of conduct and of life, those rules and teachings which, though differing in many particulars from what she holds and sets forth, nevertheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. This is the false ecclesiology of Vatican II whereby all religions are more or less good because they "contain some truth." We now have millions of souls heading for Hell as they follow these false pagan religions to their eternal perdition.

After assuring us Zen is not pantheism, Kennedy states:
Zen reminds us that in our Christian tradition the risen Christ does not stand apart from us, objective to us, in heaven, even though many of our prayers use this kind of imagery. Zen Buddhists teach that only for the deluded is Christ a sentient being or concealed within sentient beings. For the wise and awakened a sentient being is Christ. Indeed Zen Buddhists understand the complete joy we experience as Christ grows greater and greater, and the “I” less and less. (Emphasis mine). God is not objective to us but within; welcome to pantheism. 

The truth is that Zen does attack God, precisely because it understands the implications of belief in the Christian God. Zen is pantheistic and you cannot separate the two.  Werner Erhard, founder of the Zen driven EST/The Forum declared that “the greatest single barrier to God is belief in God.” The famous psychoanalyst Erich Fromm observes that in Zen, “I truly follow God’s will if I forget about God.”​ (See Erich Fromm, Zen Buddhism and Psychoanalysis, [1960], pg. 252).

Zen and the Occult
Historically, there is little doubt as to the reality of demons operating behind the mechanism of idolatrous practice. In Zen, as in yoga, chanting and physical postures may become vehicles to open the door to the supernatural world:
To help awaken us to this world of Buddha-nature, Zen masters employ yet another mode of zazen, namely, the chanting of dharani and sutras. Now, a dharani has been described as “a more or less meaningless chain of words or names that is supposed to have a magical power in helping the one who is repeating it at some time of extremity.” Anyone who has recited them for any length of time knows, in their effect on the spirit they are anything but meaningless. When chanted with sincerity and zest they impress upon the heart and mind the names and virtues of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas enumerated in them, removing inner hindrances to zazen and fixing the heart in an attitude of reverence and devotion.... Dogen attached great importance to the proper position, gestures, and movements of the body and its members during chanting, as indeed in all other modes of zazen, because of their repercussions on the mind. In Shingon Buddhism particular qualities of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas are evoked by the devotee through certain positions of his hands (called mudra) as well as body postures, and it is probably from the Shingon that this aspect of Dogen’s teaching derives. In any event, the prescribed postures do induce related states of mind.... Conversely, each state of mind elicits from the body its own specific response. The act of unself-conscious prostration before a Buddha is thus possible only under the impetus of reverence and gratitude.​ (See Philip Kapleau, ed., The Three Pillars of Zen, [1967], pg. 45; Emphasis mine).  

Zen’s emphasis on idolatry, mystical chanting, altered states of consciousness and psychic development can become vehicles to spirit contact. In Zen meditation, and in Eastern meditation generally, the practices adopted sooner or later bring one to the realm of psychic phenomena and spirits. As one expert admits:

Here we shall mention only one of the so-called negative effects: the phenomenon of makyo (literally, world of spirits), that is to say, apparitions, fantasies, or illusory sensations. Figures or things not actually present appear to the person meditating. They can be of a pleasant or an unpleasant nature. Sometimes Buddhas appear; at other times the mediator may face the specter of a wild animal or something just as terrifying; or lights may appear to play before the eyes. Less often sounds are heard, but at such times a person may seem to hear his name called out clearly.... Zen masters explain these effects as natural products of the mind.​ (See H. M. Lassalle, Zen Meditation for Christians, [1974], pgs. 39-40)

While such phenomena could at times be entirely mental, they could also at times involve covert or overt consorting with the biblical “principalities and powers.” Since all Zen practice is the same kind of meditation (sitting, breathing, concentration, chanting, etc.), it is simply a matter of who wishes to use these powers, not whether they occur. In part, these powers seem to come by Zen’s particular method of pagan concentration (joriki): The cultivation of certain supranormal powers is also made possible by joriki, as is the state in which the mind becomes like perfectly still water.... The state of blankness in which the conscious functioning of the mind has been stopped. Now, although the power of joriki can be endlessly enlarged through regular practice, it will recede and eventually vanish if we neglect zazen. And while it is true that many extraordinary powers flow from joriki, nevertheless through it alone we cannot cut the roots of our illusory view of the world.​ (See Op. cit. pg. 47). To be clear, joriki is a form of "mindfulness meditation" wherein the mind is "stilled" leading to altered states of consciousness, like shamans do before invoking "spirit guides" (demons). 

In The Three Pillars of Zen we find an in-depth discussion of psychic powers (somewhat reminiscent of mediums) and how one is to view and approach them: Makyo are the phenomena—visions, hallucinations, fantasies, revelations, illusory sensations—which one practicing zazen is apt to experience at a particular stage in his sitting. Ma means “devil” and kyo “the objective world.” Hence makyo are the disturbing or “diabolical” phenomena which appear to one during his zazen. These phenomena are not inherently bad.... Broadly speaking, the entire life of the ordinary man is nothing but a makyo.... Besides those which involve the vision there are numerous makyo which relate to the sense of touch, smell, or hearing, or which sometimes cause the body suddenly to move from side to side or forward and backward or to lean to one side or to appear to sink or rise. Not infrequently words burst forth uncontrollably or, more rarely, one imagines he is smelling a particularly fragrant perfume. There are even cases where without conscious awareness one writes down things which turn out to be prophetically true. Very common are visual hallucinations. You are doing zazen with your eyes open.... Without warning everything may go white before your eyes, or black. A knot in the wood of a door may suddenly appear as a beast or demon or angel.... Many makyo involve the hearing. One may hear the sound of a piano or loud noises, such as an explosion (which is heard by no one else), and actually jump....(See Kaplan, pg. 99). 

Does Roshi/Fr. Kennedy want Vatican II sect members to believe this is not demonic? 

Prevalence of Zen
As the Vatican II sect defends and admires paganism, the list of influential Zenists/Buddhists is quite impressive:
  • Sports stars Tiger Woods and David Beckham
  • Movie actors Richard Gere, Keanu Reeves, and Harrison Ford (think: Star Wars and George Lucas)
  • Rock and pop singers Courtney Love (widow of the wretch Kurt Cobain, whose band was named Nirvana), and the late Tina Turner
  • Even politicians like former President Bill Clinton, although not a convert, hired a Buddhist monk to teach him meditation. 
Why the attraction? There are several reasons:
  • The pantheistic belief that "God is all" puts insects, plants, and even inanimate objects on the same level as humans. Tree-hugging environmentalists love it, even though the vast majority see nothing wrong with abortion
  • Terms like "inner tranquility" and "enlightenment" are "spiritual" without being "religious." Therefore, atheists can hop on board and deny a Personal God for an impersonal force that allows them to still use the term "atheist" loosely
  • There are no Commandments for ethics. Who am I to judge? (sound familiar?) Moral absolutes are absent and Hell is denied 
  • Reincarnation is often taught which further erodes morals because if you live like a heathen, there is no Hell, just another life to try and "get it right" and achieve nirvana, which is basically extinction--so no one suffers in the end 
  • Meditation and yoga are ubiquitous, with the Vatican II sect supplanting true meditation based on the spiritual masters (like St. Ignatius of Loyola) with pagan yoga-meditation. This "mindfulness" meditation is being taught in their schools and churches. Pagan meditation can open a person up to demonic forces as I've written above
  • Many Vatican II sect clergy openly promote Zen
Vatican II "Popes" and Paganism
Vatican II's Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions, Nostra Aetate, promulgated on October 28, 1965 by Montini ("Pope" Paul VI). It made apostate pagan monsters like Roshi/Fr. Kennedy possible, and why people now think it's good to be "Zen."  Vatican II sect members can look to their false "popes" for guidance.
  • Almost exactly 21 years after Nostra Aetate, on October 27, 1986, with permission of John Paul II, the Dalai Lama and the  Tibetan Buddhist monks of his sect placed a small statue of Buddha over the tabernacle of St. Peter Church in Assisi at the first Assisi Prayer Meeting for Peace with all the false religions. 
The True Church teaches: "And if you forget the Lord your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I solemnly warn you today that you shall surely perish," (Deuteronomy 8:19).
  • Upon his arrival to celebrate a "mass" at a stadium in New Delhi, India, John Paul II receives a "blessing" from a Hindu religious woman for protection from their demon "gods." 
The True Church teaches: "Far be it from us that we should forsake the Lord to serve other gods," (Joshua 24:16).
  • Under Ratzinger ("Pope" Benedict XVI), The "Pontifical Council For Interreligious Dialogue" wrote in 2007: "As Diwali approaches, your religious feast, I am sure all of you in your respective families, neighborhoods and communities will be taking time to share your joy with one another. On behalf of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue I am happy to have this opportunity, for the first time since taking office, to send you my greetings. Sensitive to your religious feelings and respectful of your ancient religious tradition, I sincerely hope that your search for the Divine, symbolized through the celebration of Diwali, will help you to overcome darkness with light, untruth with truth and evil with goodness." (Emphasis mine)
"Diwali" is the pagan Hindu festival of lights celebrated in autumn each year (October 20, this year of 2025). It symbolizes the victory of "light over darkness." Yet the light of Christ has no place in their demonic religion. "Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14). 
  • Bergoglio ("Pope" Francis) "canonized" Wojtyla ("Pope" John Paul II). 
"Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter. " (Isaiah 5: 20). 

I shudder to think what Bergoglio's successor as leader of the Vatican II sect will do.

Conclusion
The Vatican II sect has welcomed pagan pantheism into the world. It even bases their spirituality on these pagan meditation practices. Zen is growing ever more popular and expanding its influence on our culture of the formerly Christian West. The problem lies (where else?) at the doorstep of the Robber Council and its false teachings and equally false popes. 

Traditionalists must stay strong by attending the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, receiving Holy Communion often, going to Confession, and praying the Rosary in Christian mediation. To "be Zen" is to be pagan and open oneself to demons. 

65 comments:

  1. With apostasy on the increase, and people realizing that believing in nothing creates a vacuum, they look for a host of teachers, as St. Paul said (2 Tim 4;3-4). This explains why occultism and all that surrounds it is so popular in the West. And when the Antichrist comes, he'll have no problem being worshipped as a god.

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    1. May God bless Fr. DePauw's soul. You are blessed to have had a true priest as your spiritual father !

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    2. Simon,
      Yes! If God willing I make it to Heaven, I have Fr. DePauw to thank for it.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  2. Introibo,

    As you already know, tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of the death of Fr. DePauw. I am keeping the repose of his soul and you in my prayers. It is hard to believe how fast time flies! Also, today is the Feast of Pope St. Pius V. We may one day need another Holy League with the way that Europe and the West are rapidly changing, especially with very low birth rates among those that identify as “Catholic.” With the modernism and relativism that has invaded the West, it is hard to see men once again taking up arms to defend Christendom. Hopefully I am wrong, because one day soon, it seems like bloodshed will be inevitable. Prayers to you and your spiritual mentor!

    -TradWarrior

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    1. TradWarrior,
      Thank you very much, my friend! What you say about the low birth rates is so true. The Islamic infidels are having large families. Bergoglio's successor will continue with the ecumenism and contraceptive mentality. Sixty-one years after the Vatican II sect was created there are still those who will not see it for what it is, and the leader as a false pope. Maybe when the Grand Imam of the Islamic Republic of Italy starts issuing fatwas from the erstwhile St. Peter's Basilica, people will wake---when it's already too late. Pope St. Pius V, ora pro nobis.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Rome was conquered by Italian revolutionaries in the 19th century and by modernists in the 20th. Perhaps it will be conquered by Muslims during this century. If this happens, it will have to be seen as divine punishment for its apostasy.

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  3. No one commenting in new false pope?

    I am losing all people in my sphere. I was just down to family and my sister said today so much is not important. Her husband and child don't understand any of this false church etc so...all our arguments are pointless. I think many have just lost all hope and faith. I can't even talk to anyone anymore. No one cares about anything. Glad many of you have true Mass and know people with true Faith but most of us know no one and even our families...do nothing, believe nothing, care about nothing! I have no one now who shares my faith. Introibo said a while ago I shouldn't trust my 1968 baptism. I have no way of verifying that either. I called diocese and church and novus ordites of course say all legitimate. Thanks for listening.

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    1. @anon5:13
      My friend, it is indeed hard to keep the Faith these days. These are the dark days of the Great Apostasy. Most of the people in the world today "do nothing, believe nothing, care about nothing." You do believe, care, and try and take action. It is depressing. Fr. DePauw was all alone in his fight for Truth and Tradition in 1964. I was different as a teenager and young adult from all my peers outside of the Chapel, and I know it gets to be a heavy burden.

      Offer it up to God, pray the Rosary, and watch Mass online. Someday you might be able to get to a Traditionalist Chapel. Have a friend give you a conditional baptism. Pour water over your forehead while saying, "If you have not been baptized, I baptize you in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost."

      You always have me as a friend in the faith. Always here to listen and help as best I can.

      P.S. Bob Prevost will continue as Bergoglio would!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Introibo...should I use holy water for my conditional baptism? I have Epiphany water from a sede priest.

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    3. @anon4:54
      Holy water is not necessary for validity, but you may use it.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  4. @anon5:13pm

    I agree with you on this. It has gotten to the point that I also cannot talk to anyone about this anymore either. What’s the point? People already think that it’s crazy to say that there hasn’t been a pope since 1958. People just don’t care anymore. I had a few people that I tried really hard to convince of the Sedevacantist position. It wasn’t many. Most people I wouldn’t even waste my time with. But with the few people who were promising, it seemed like I had a chance of swaying them to my side on this. Well, none of them came over. In fact, they all went the other way and avoided the Sedevacantist position like the plague. At some point, you just throw your hands up in the air and give up. There’s no point arguing with people who are never going to get it. I just stay silent a lot more and pray and offer sacrifices for souls. Seriously, what else can one do???

    -TradWarrior

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    1. Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine

      Mathew 7:6

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    2. Thank you Introibo and Trad Warrior for your consoling words...this helps me a lot! God bless us all!
      I will do the conditional baptism. Sad that I asked many priests along the way if I needed conditional sacraments and they all said no.

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    3. I've never met a sedevacantist in person, and have been thinking about a conditional baptism, since I don't know whether they changed the wording in my area in 1979.

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    4. I studied the changes...they occurred 1968/1969 depending on areas. If I need conditional baptism if I was 1968 pre change...you surely do!

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    5. Well that clarifies that. Thank you! At any rate, it would explain a great many things.

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    6. The 1968/1969 changes did not involve the essential matter and form needed for baptism to be valid.
      The Novus Ordo has retained the correct matter (pouring of water over the skin of the head) and form (I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost) at least in theory. Depends on how progressive and fond of making things up a given priest.

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    7. It's doubtful if they changed it to "I baptize thee into the Church, etc". What I heard is that they may or may not have made that change in any given area; at least at the time.

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    8. @anon5:04
      There's even more wrong than you think! Please see my post:
      https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-laver-of-regeneration-no-more.html

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    9. There have been many instances of invalid.baptisms caught on video. There was a NO priest that made news...and even my spheres have videos showing invalid baptisms. So scary and sadly.makes sense given this evil pagan world we share. If Introibo says I should do conditional baptism then I will do it. I was possibly pre changes in June 1968 but no guarantee! And since my novus ordo baptism was feast of St John the Baptist, I will have someone conditionally baptize me. Thanks!

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    10. I have read your post, Introibo, quite some time ago and found it very insightful, as usual.
      I'm aware of the implications of changing theology behind the sacrament of baptism perpetrated by Modernists.
      I come from conservative Novus Ordo land and have come to the conclusion that my Novus Ordo infant baptism is valid.
      Our Traditionalist sede priest said in a sermon that we should be thankful that we had been born in our circumstances, that our parents gave us a more or less Catholic upbringing, alluding to the fact that our country was behind the so-called West in terms of implementing Vatican 2 novelties.
      I saw photos of "hair baptism", read about changing the words but this couldn't have taken place in my case.

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  5. It certainly is a difficult time for many of us. Frankly, I don't know how to talk to people about my faith since many don't seem interested in the truth. How do you tell your neighbors who seemed to be Catholic, that their Pope isn't really the Pope, since he's an apostate. So many people in my sphere believe that Bergoglio was a holy Pope. I tried talking to one of my sisters about the crisis in the Church, but she's not close to accepting reality. It's a very lonely road to walk, but I guess that is the cross we are called to carry.

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    1. CyrusD78
      Yes, a heavy cross. So much time has passed since the Great Apostasy began that people are numbed to the truth.
      Don't despair, my friend--God is still in control! He calls us to be faithful and to try bringing the Faith to others. Trying our best and pray/make sacrifices is all we can do.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  6. Introibo, it seems your blog is a lifeline to many who feel isolated, alone in our faith in the One, True Church. I do not engage in discussion with Novus Ordo relatives, good and intelligent people who cannot separate themselves from loyalty to the “pope” and the new faith imposed in 1969.

    I feel fortunate to live during a time when we have the True Mass available via streaming online, offered by true priests. It imparts less blessings vs assisting in person, but it’s a treasure on earth for those of us who can’t attend a chapel.

    My heart goes out to those here feeling similar loneliness in the faith, but it can be viewed as remaining hidden, and offered as a participation in the sufferings of our Crucified Lord.

    Might I also add how much I appreciate your quick replies to those who post here, your heartfelt promises to pray for us, and that you monitor the comments to protect the integrity of your blog.

    Unfortunately not all traditional Faith bloggers, who offer disqus for example, maintain a commentary free from shameful politicizing and gang-ups against conservatives who prefer to read commentary free from derailment and ad hominems.

    I will keep you and my fellow readers in my prayers.
    Alanna

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    1. Alanna,
      Thank you so much for your kind words. Comments like yours keep me writing! I try to make this blog a place that follows Galatians 6:10, " Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers."

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  7. I am most grateful to Introibo too and the readers. This is a very very small world. I too am alone in all this. It is difficult. I tried warning all my novus ordo friends and relatives but few care or label me as an extreme religious fanatic! I have lost most of my business too so...such is this life.

    Can I ask you Alanna, how do you interact with your novus ordo relatives? I personally refuse to pretend the novus ordo isn't evil so most don't invite me around much anymore. I can truly see how people with little or no faith will endanger my faith. To interact with them is like living a false reality.

    God bless all here, thanks again Introibo and readers/commenters!

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    1. Anon 2:06 pm
      I’m really sorry to hear that your family relations are strained to the extent that they’re not inviting you around very much. And I understand your position of not wanting to compromise your faith or be contaminated by theirs.

      My Novus Ordo relatives live at a distance so it’s probably easier in that respect, but we are in regular communication. I too felt perhaps I needed to initiate conversations as a sedevacantist. But I love these people, the only real family I have at this point.

      I consulted a trusted independent priest who confirmed that, in my case, this discussion would likely cause a rupture with my family which would be tragic. They are intelligent people who make their own adult decisions about their religious faith. I don’t agree with them, but I avoid engaging/commenting on that topic.

      I pray for them fervently, and hope that God will lead them back to the one true faith. Have you consulted a priest? I don’t know if you attend a chapel, and traditional priests are few and far between. The CMRI are wonderful about answering email, and will make every effort to reach out to meet if that’s possible.

      Perhaps Introibo and other commenters have helpful advice. This is a wonderful blog with commenters who care, and understand fractured family relationships. There can be hardship and loneliness in holding true to the faith. Please know that I will pray for you.

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    2. Thank you dear one! This is helpful too! Sadly, many priests steered me in wrong directions. I even had a conditionally ordained priest serving my home chapel for a few years. He turned out to be compromised. He still believed Novus Ordo nonsense and even was conditionally ordained even though he believed his novus ordo ordination. He claimed he did it for those who would doubt him...a sacrilege! I've had other sede priests mentor me from afar but it hasn't worked out...either I find they are compromised or they just don't have the time to mentor me.only one of my 3 other siblings was in this journey with me but now they just want to go along to get along with other family. More compromises. People truly think being nice gains heaven. Nice used to mean ignorant so...sad state of affairs. God bless!

      I am considering moving to North carolina...any true priests there by chance? Near the coast? Or nearby state near coast?

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      I will see what I can find out about Traditionalist Chapels in NC.

      Alana,
      I agree that you should "always keep the door open." In other words, you need not shut out your relatives but by the example of your life and polite conversation (dropping points about the faith when you can) you're planting seeds of faith that may grow. One of my best friends from law school converted. When we met he was a Socialist and Vatican II sect who had joined a liberal Protestant sect.

      He was friendly and affable. He would ask questions about what I believed when I spoke about going to Church. He said he couldn't understand how "an intelligent guy like you can believe all that stuff and with Latin, etc." Finally, I asked him if he would like some literature. He agreed and read it. We then had very interesting discussions. Years after we graduated, he moved to the west coast and was passing a Traditionalist Chapel. He remembered our conversations from law school. He decided to attend Mass and see what it was like. He contacted me and asked me if I had a Missal and any other literature. He told me the Mass was "so beautiful." I sent him a whole package with one of my best missals. A year later he calls to tell me that he came to believe in the One True Faith and was being instructed to receive conditional baptism. He was received into the Church on the Feast of Our Lady's Assumption! His mother and father both converted later!
      Imagine if I had dismissed him. What would he have thought of Traditionalists then? He wouldn't be a convert!

      Keep the door open--not to accept what they believe, but to plant the seeds of faith. You may not always find out if they take root, but some day, we will all find out hereafter.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. Thank you, Introibo, for the kind response. Your close friend was converted by the grace of God, by your prayers and by example. You never gave up on him, nor did you terminate your friendship. When he asked for help, you were ready.

      I respect that each person’s situation, his/her family relationships, are unique. There is no one hard and fast rule, that being cutting off our Novus Ordo family and friends, as some here believe. I do not attend the Novus Ordo to “pray with them,” nor am I remotely tempted to return to that sterile Protestant service called the NO. We who have the traditional Mass of Ages possess the most beautiful thing this side of heaven.

      How many canonized saints prayed and sacrificed, often for many long years, for the conversion of their nearest and dearest? Would St. Monica’s pagan and emotionally abusive husband have converted to the Catholic faith if she had abandoned him? He and her son were converted by her tears, persistence in prayer, and her Christian example, after many years.

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    5. A very good comment too, thank you! St Monica and St Augustine reminds me of a local woman I tend to...who has not one cent to her name. Her son abuses her (MENTALLY) but does put a roof over her head, although dreadful conditions. Her husband ditched her long ago, her children do not much to help her her...not even bus money or food! They don't speak to her. Yet day after day she takes it on...one malady after the next. She also illegal per se so no social services for her, even the ones that claim to help anyone. Lies. I don't think we should abandon people but we must keep a distance when folks keep refusing the Truth. No way to go along to get along. Some have no choice, like my poor penniless SUFFERING friend.
      GOD BLESS!

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  8. These are exactly things I don't understand. Martyrs wouldn't utter a prayer with Protestants but we are to be with family who are the same? Jesus brought the sword...right?

    The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against his father, the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother, the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    [Luke 12:53]

    So what now? We just hang with family who doesn't want the true faith for what reason? I am so confused. Where does Jesus say I don't want a rupture in your family?

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    1. @Anon 6:10PM
      I agree with what you have said here. The Faith and obedience to God’s commandments and Eternal Truth must be put before all else. True Catholics must be willing to avoid family who are a proximate occasion of sin and they must also be willing to sacrifice life itself if they are called to Holy Martydom. There are too many in this world who fall prey to human respect. We all have this weakness but we must pray for the grace to always defend The Faith and stay true to all the teachings of the Catholic Church no matter the worldly consequences. People are attached to their families to the point that many hide their Faith around Novus Ordites and just go along to get along. They try to stay away from speaking the Truth because they are fearful of offending someone, the reaction they will receive, and losing a loved one. But in the end we will have to face the particular judgement alone. Your family and fickle friends who denied the truth and who didn’t cooperate with God’s graces will not be there beside you, they will have their own judgement and account of their lives to give. This doesn’t mean we should be cruel or mean spirited, but we should show true charity by telling them the Truth and that Hell is a real place that people go to if they die in mortal sin. These truths must be spoken without reservation where it is prudent to do so based on the teachings of fraternal Charity but we should not go along to get along or be attached to any human creature.

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    2. @anon6:10
      No, that's not the message. There are times you must be divided. Indeed, these people are divided, but civil insofar as they can be. They are not praying with them but keeping the door open. I will repeat here what I wrote to Alana above:

      I agree that you should "always keep the door open." In other words, you need not shut out your relatives but by the example of your life and polite conversation (dropping points about the faith when you can) you're planting seeds of faith that may grow. One of my best friends from law school converted. When we met he was a Socialist and Vatican II sect who had joined a liberal Protestant sect.

      He was friendly and affable. He would ask questions about what I believed when I spoke about going to Church. He said he couldn't understand how "an intelligent guy like you can believe all that stuff and with Latin, etc." Finally, I asked him if he would like some literature. He agreed and read it. We then had very interesting discussions. Years after we graduated, he moved to the west coast and was passing a Traditionalist Chapel. He remembered our conversations from law school. He decided to attend Mass and see what it was like. He contacted me and asked me if I had a Missal and any other literature. He told me the Mass was "so beautiful." I sent him a whole package with one of my best missals. A year later he calls to tell me that he came to believe in the One True Faith and was being instructed to receive conditional baptism. He was received into the Church on the Feast of Our Lady's Assumption! His mother and father both converted later!
      Imagine if I had dismissed him. What would he have thought of Traditionalists then? He wouldn't be a convert!

      Keep the door open--not to accept what they believe, but to plant the seeds of faith. You may not always find out if they take root, but some day, we will all find out hereafter.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. These are all great comments. Above and below. I live in a small town with huge sodomite community. It is disgusting. Yet. I always meet some who are nice, affable, pleasant etc. Many are just downright miserable. I like to stay away but one cannot in my town. I told one today...which knows I have Catholic faith...he was catholic but has no real knowledge yet converses with me about the faith every time I see him (and his partner). So sad. He asked if I really believed there is an afterlife. I said of course...there is heaven hell or Purgatory. Why would Jesus die on Cross for no reason? He looked at me dumbfounded and said he couldn't remember much of what he was taught in 1970s and this makes no sense to him. I said he was likely taught lies, as I was. He knew when his father died that he shouldn't receive Communion because an old hard core priest explained the sacraments to him and it stuck in his.mind. his own mother asked why he didn't go up like the rest and she told him the Church did away with such restrictions...all can receive Communion anytime. These are my typical interactions. People know nothing and then there are glimmers like this...a sodomite who knows better than most! Oh God please help us!

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      When sodomites know better about the laws of God and His One True Church, you realize just who evil are the times in which we live!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  9. There is certainly a widespread mindset and this humanist culture centered around the idea and saying that “I’m a nice person”. Or people will pridefully assert to others that “I’m a good person”. Many people think this and often tell many people how “good” they are in order to gain some sort of fleeting human approval. They think they are going to Heaven because they paid their taxes, walked an old lady across the street, lent someone their lawnmower, etc. Most are not going to Heaven. Even atheists, humanists, Hindus, Pagans, can do nice things. Doesn’t mean anything as it relates to the Divine Order. It’s all for naught if one is not in a state of grace when they do good deeds since these good deeds are part what we call natural goodness. Many don’t even do naturally good things because they have created their own perverted morality, and they call these wicked deeds “good”. This is just a perversion of the Catholic moral order. But people try to convince themselves they are “good” people. You go to Heaven for being supernaturally good. That is, you love God above all things, with your whole mind, soul, and strength. You don’t go to Heaven for being nice. Natural goodness is not the same as supernatural goodness.
    Good deeds are not meritorious if not done with True Charity and are only done to virtue signal, self aggrandize or for other bad motives. It’s also not proper to be always “nice”. There are times when this worldly politeness is out of place and fake and validates people in their wickedness! We must have TRUE CHARITY!

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      I agree with you. The idea that all "nice people" go to Heaven by BOD is a Modernist concept which led to the opposite error of Leonard Feeney.

      However, good works done in response to the prompting of actual graces can lead to conversion. So while what you say is true, keep in mind that charitable works can be done by good motives inspired by God leading to a conversion. Let's pray for the conversion of unbelievers.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. So many helpful comments here! Thanks to all! Greatly appreciated!

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    3. ONLY THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN

      1) God's existence;
      2) an eternal reward;
      3) the Trinity;
      4) the Incarnation;
      5) the immortality of the soul;
      6) the necessity of Grace.

      Protestants do not believe in the incarnation as they worship a false christ, orthobros do not believe in the trinity or God (palamism's logical conclusion is polytheistic). Novus ordotes do not believe in the incarnation as they worship a false Christ


      INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE DOES NOT OVVERIDE THE NESSECITY OF FAITH. INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE DOES NOT APPLY TO MEMBERS OF FALSE SECTS.



      I am not a feeneyite. I beleive in implicit and explicit BOD . i believe in BOB. i hold the opinion of st thomas, which overrides that of garrigou


      IN ALL MATTERS NOT DECIDED BY THE MAGISTERIUM ONE MUST FOLLOW ST THOMAS

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    4. @anon4:07
      If you believe in explicit and implicit BOD and BOB you are not a Feeneyite. However, you cite no authority that Aquinas MUST be followed like some dogma. Theologians are not certain exactly what an adult needs to believe for salvation. However, whatever is necessary can be supplied by God before the moment of death.

      Invincible ignorance never saves. No Catholic claims otherwise. Invincible ignorance can exist among members of false sects who are cut off from any knowledge of the truth.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    5. Can you do a post on invincible ignorance? So many sedes and NOers think many will be saved thru this. Such nonsense.

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  10. The thing about 'zen' is I really have nothing to add to it. I always thought of it as contrived meaningless hogwash.

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      "Contrived meaningless hogwash" is a good description of Zen!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  11. An excellent sermon by Fr DeSaye I heard today fyi re invalid holy orders/sacraments. His sermons are always so clear!
    https://youtu.be/oT_tsSK2YiU?si=kQblK1mWcTkQr7Ba
    Does anyone know where he is? Also, if he part of Sanborn group does that mean he believes the Thesis??

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    1. @anon2:03
      I'm uncertain. If anyone has information on this priest, please comment here.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Fr. DeSaye is a member of The RCI (Bishop Sanborn’s Group). I believe he is in Brooksville Florida. They hold a number of theological positions that are completely false and/or nonsensical theological opinions. Therefore, I do not recommend this group.

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    3. he is a thesiser

      by the way rci and sgg have restored good terms so we are likely going to see more totalists at MHT seminary again, this is good for me as i am a totalist but was wishing to attend mht seminary, i know they accept totalists but you must be ordained by another group than rci

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    4. https://youtu.be/jJ4p_bhhiNo?si=kz4u-z4RU5ADUIW6
      A lovely mother's day sermon fyi from SGG.

      What is a totalist? Someone anti Thesis? That is disappointing re Fr Desaye, his sermons are so clear and good. I have never heard him talk about the Thesis. Maybe he just keeps it to himself.

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    5. totalists hold that the novus ordo so calle dpopes do not even hold the papacy materially, they do not even have a title to the papacy as their ELECTIONS were invalid. Totalist doesnt nessecarily mean ANTI thesis however

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    6. RCI requires you to hold the thesis to be part of their group

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    7. Father Michael DeSaye is a former Novus Ordo priest who left his diocese in New Jersey to attend Most Holy Trinity Seminary under the direction of Bishop Sanborn. Fr. DeSaye was later excommunicated from his diocese for the crime of “schism.” He wrote a letter to his friends at that diocese which is published in this NOW article.
      https://novusordowatch.org/2021/07/novus-ordo-priest-becomes-sedevacantist-michael-desaye/

      Alanna

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  12. Thank you for this information.

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  13. if it does get approved, i am the one who posted that huge spiel. i got a lot of the information directly from fr cekada and the cmri website just as a citation i had compiled it as a word document

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    1. i dont see why you approved this comment if you didnt approve the spiel which it was conntected to. im not saying it was wrong of you for not approving the spiel but at least dont approve its supplementary comment then

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      I don't know what the "speil" was about--I never got it. I glance over comments to approve, and approve all that don't violate my simple rules. Please resend, and I will publish as long as none of the simple rules for publication are broken.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    3. I will post it in sections on your next post

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  14. Does anyone know this site? I agree with most of their view of The Thesis and no Sanborn, who rarely makes sense anymore.
    https://youtu.be/hZoMJULJyp0?si=DLKj8rr8Fs2z6dvf

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      If anyone knows, please comment here.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. I listened to whole recording. I didn’t sense error and thought it was good. If anyone hears error, let us know!

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  15. The only true theological position one must hold after being made aware of all the evidence is Sedevacantism. Not SSPX resistance, not Sedaprivationism, not the fake FSSP group whose fake “priests” have invalid orders. Sedevacantism! As we are living through the Great Apostasy, these are troubling times where a counterfeit apostate Church exists with impostors claiming to be Catholic clergy, this clearly shows that True Catholics must hold the Sedevacantist position. The word “Totalist” is a misnomer, even a pejorative, concocted to make true sedevacantists sound extreme. Sedaprivationism is a littered with inconsistency and contradiction. Also, members of the RCI are hostile to Sedevacantism. Fr. Desposito calls Sedevacantism a totalist mythology and would like it to be a thing of the past. The RCI has some serious issues in their theological positions and methodology.

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    1. This comment above makes sense.

      I am worried the Bible was manipulated by evil agents. I have read it was in the 1400s during a previous reset, like the one we have going on now, where Truth is suppressed and lies reign. How do we know for sure the Bible has not been manipulated? I have seen a 1500s Douay Rheims and I could not understand any of it. Many had no access to books for centuries. This is all worrisome and I do not think anyone will have clear evidence that our Bible has not been manipulated

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  16. Roncalli = WRONGCALI
    Montini = DEMONTINI
    Luciani = JEWCIANI
    Wojtyla = HODGEPODGETYLA
    Ratzinger = RATSLINGER
    Bergoglio = BERGAYGLIO
    Prevost = PERVERTOST

    THE FIRST SIX ARE ALREADY (presumed by the church to be, just as Confucius is presumed to be) IN HELL. THE SEVENTH WILL SOON BE THERE (at this rate).

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  17. that antipapal actor in white Paul VI did NOT write the section of Humanae Vitae which restated the immemorial and unchanging teaching of the Church condemning contraception. He originally wrote (or his ghostwriters wrote) Humanae Vitae to PERMIT contraception. It was Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, head of the CDF, who after reading the draft submitted to the CDF, removed Montini’s wicked attempt at keeping his promises to his Freemason and sodomite friends to open the door to the mortal sin of contraception, and instead replaced it with the passages so often quoted today. This is one of the clearest examples of the reality of the negative protection of the Papacy from teaching error on faith or morals by the Holy Ghost. After Humanae Vitae’s promulgation, Paul VI ACTIVELY PERSECUTED priests and bishops who publicly defended the very document that Paul VI himself promulgated, and rewarded priests and bishops who openly, publicly dissented from it.

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