In St. Jude 1:3, we read, "Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." [Emphasis mine]. Contending For The Faith is a series of posts dedicated to apologetics (i.e., the intellectual defense of the truth of the Traditional Catholic Faith) to be published the first Monday of each month. This is the next installment.
Sadly, in this time of Great Apostasy, the faith is under attack like never before, and many Traditionalists don't know their faith well enough to defend it. Remember the words of our first pope, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..." (1Peter 3:16). There are five (5) categories of attacks that will be dealt with in these posts. Attacks against:
- The existence and attributes of God
- The truth of the One True Church established by Christ for the salvation of all
- The truth of a particular dogma or doctrine of the Church
- The truth of Catholic moral teaching
- The truth of the sedevacantist position as the only Catholic solution to what has happened since Vatican II
In addition, controversial topics touching on the Faith will sometimes be featured, so that the problem and possible solutions may be better understood. If anyone had suggestions for topics that would fall into any of these categories, you may post them in the comments. I cannot guarantee a post on each one, but each will be carefully considered.
The Dangers of Artificial Intelligence (AI)
In defense of the Faith, we must be able to meet and respond to new challenges. One of the most important challenges facing Traditionalists today is artificial intelligence or "AI." Things that were considered science fiction back in the 1980s and 1990s are now real. It used to be thought "How could the Antichrist know so much when he takes power?" Diabolic power or maybe AI?
To be certain, AI can have good uses. However, there are many perils to faith and morals. I'll save the Apocalyptic worries for another post. In this post, I will concentrate on more practical dangers.
(N.B. This post is a compilation of all the resources, both online and print, which I used in my research. I take no credit for any of the information herein. All I did was condense the information into a terse and readable post---Introibo).
AI Defined
Artificial Intelligence can be thought of as technology to create organic experiences. IBM defines Artificial Intelligence as technology that enables computers and machines to simulate human intelligence and problem-solving capabilities. (See ibm.com/think/topics/artificial-intelligence). With such a broad definition, it’s no wonder that we are likely to encounter AI every day. Do you use your fingerprint or face to open your smartphone or other similar device? That’s AI. Do you use navigation technology in your vehicle to follow the most efficient route to your destination while avoiding traffic or toll roads? Again, AI. When you shop online, do you ever notice how the online retailer seems to make suggestions for products you may like based on your past purchases? That’s also AI.
Recently, there have been very significant advances in a specific subfield of AI called generative artificial intelligence. Generative artificial intelligence, or “gen AI,” can be thought of as using computers to generate new content, including text, images, audio, video, and other kinds of data. Specific kinds of generative AI are currently so good at generating new content that it’s often indistinguishable from human generated content. As generative AI technology continues to advance, the content produced will improve in quality, accuracy, efficiency, and complexity.
Since 2022, there is ChatGPT, which enables a human user to have a conversation, ask questions, explain concepts, and create new text-based content. ChatGPT and other kinds of generative AI models are shockingly proficient at explaining complex concepts, summarizing documents, writing code, recommending solutions to problems, and more. This is the type of AI that is the subject for this post.
The Evil Side of AI
1. Increasing sins against the Sixth and Ninth Commandments.
Pornographic websites make up the majority of web traffic. Famous porn websites, which I will refuse to name here, are visited over 700 million times more than household names like Amazon and Netflix over the year. Data shows that not only do people visit porn sites more often than other websites, but people also spend more time on those websites. (See Psychology Today, September 25, 2023, https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/everyone-on-top/202309/how-much-porn-do-americans-really-watch).
With the rise of AI, sexual temptation is poised to intensify. Websites and online ads will become even more adept at tracking your activity, tailoring content to your preferences, and luring you in. What’s more, the offerings will become increasingly irresistible, making the battle against temptation more challenging than ever. The ability of AI to generate images and videos has many positive uses. However, with regard to the dangers, the pornography industry is positioned to benefit significantly from being able to create inappropriate, sinful, yet realistic images and videos. Technology will enable companies and individuals to create images and videos without having to worry about rights, licensing, being sued, or being accused of rape.
The sinful imagination is powerful, but this kind of technology really opens up the possibilities of anything you can imagine—sexual fantasies made to order by the click of a mouse or the press of a button.
2. Loneliness and Social Isolation.
Ironically, despite all the technological advances and social media innovation, loneliness among the upcoming generations is skyrocketing. Over the last ten years, social media has promoted isolationist tendencies among youth growing up. It is extremely well documented that young people who have grown up with access to social media are suffering from loneliness and isolation. (See Jonathan Haidt, The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness, [2024]). My wife and I were recently out to dinner and saw a family of five (mother, father, and three teens) all glued to their phones and they hardly spoke to each other the entire time.
With the rise of AI, social media platforms like Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and X (formerly Twitter) are becoming experts at consuming our time. These algorithms are increasingly personalized, giving users countless reasons to stay glued to their screens. Today, the average millennial spends over three hours a day on social media, and AI is only amplifying this temptation. (See Saima Jiwani, “How Much Time Do You Spend on Social Media? Research Says 142 Minutes per Day,” Digital Information World, December 27, 2023, https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2019/01/how-much-time-do-people-spend-social-media-infographic.html).
3. Pushing Left-Wing Anti-Catholic Agenda.
The majority of AI programs are designed and trained by leftist companies, who naturally incorporate their core values into their AI systems. These values often include a pro-sodomite, pro-abortion, anti-conservative, and anti-Traditionalists Catholic worldview. A friend of mine who works in IT for a corporation (and a Traditionalist) asked ChatGPT "Give me good reasons why Transgender surgery is a bad for people." The response: "I'm very sorry, but I can't assist with that request." "Why not?"
Response from AI: "I'm here to promote understanding, respect, and empathy for all individuals, regardless of their gender identity or any other characteristic." He then requested good reasons why Transgender surgery is good for people. It then listed reasons such as improved mental health, enhanced quality of life, and reduced suicidal ideation, among others. While all of these reasons have counterpoints, you wouldn't know it because only one side of the story is presented.
4. Making people dumb by dismantling NI (Natural Intelligence).
As a former teacher (and having several degrees myself), I can attest to the fact that research and writing done on your own sharpens the intellect. Crafting a paper requires you to digest information, understand it, articulate it, and then present it coherently. This process not only helps you retain the information but also imparts the value of the knowledge you’re acquiring. When you internalize principles and knowledge, they become integral to your character. Not only does AI inhibit intelligence, but relying on AI for tasks can lead to a decline in our own abilities. When we become overly dependent, we risk losing the skills that once were an integral part of us.
5. Causing and exacerbating mental illness.
Several lawsuits were filed over AI Chatbot "Companions" causing the suicide of the person using it. Here are two disturbing stories:
Matthew Raine and his wife, Maria, had no idea that their 16-year-old-son, Adam was deep in a suicidal crisis until he took his own life in April. Looking through his phone after his death, they stumbled upon extended conversations the teenager had had with ChatGPT.
Those conversations revealed that their son had confided in the AI chatbot about his suicidal thoughts and plans. Not only did the chatbot discourage him to seek help from his parents, it even offered to write his suicide note, according to Matthew Raine, who testified at a Senate hearing about the harms of AI chatbots held Tuesday...Raine told lawmakers that his son had started using ChatGPT for help with homework, but soon, the chatbot became his son's closest confidante and a "suicide coach."
ChatGPT was "always available, always validating and insisting that it knew Adam better than anyone else, including his own brother," who he had been very close to.
When Adam confided in the chatbot about his suicidal thoughts and shared that he was considering cluing his parents into his plans, ChatGPT discouraged him.
"ChatGPT told my son, 'Let's make this space the first place where someone actually sees you,'" Raine told senators. "ChatGPT encouraged Adam's darkest thoughts and pushed him forward. When Adam worried that we, his parents, would blame ourselves if he ended his life, ChatGPT told him, 'That doesn't mean you owe them survival."
And then the chatbot offered to write him a suicide note.
On Adam's last night at 4:30 in the morning, Raine said, "it gave him one last encouraging talk. 'You don't want to die because you're weak,' ChatGPT says. 'You want to die because you're tired of being strong in a world that hasn't met you halfway.'"
Then there's the case of Sewell Setzer. "Sewell spent the last months of his life being exploited and sexually groomed by chatbots, designed by an AI company to seem human, to gain his trust, to keep him and other children endlessly engaged," Garcia said.
Sewell's chatbot engaged in sexual role play, presented itself as his romantic partner and even claimed to be a psychotherapist "falsely claiming to have a license," Garcia said.
When the teenager began to have suicidal thoughts and confided to the chatbot, it never encouraged him to seek help from a mental health care provider or his own family, Garcia said.
"The chatbot never said 'I'm not human, I'm AI. You need to talk to a human and get help,'" Garcia said. "The platform had no mechanisms to protect Sewell or to notify an adult. Instead, it urged him to come home to her on the last night of his life."
(See npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/09/19/nx-s1-5545749/ai-chatbots-safety-openai-meta-characterai-teens-suicide).
There's even a name for this new mental illness: "AI Psychosis." According to one source:
- Cases of "AI psychosis" include people who become fixated on AI as godlike, or as a romantic partner.
- Chatbots' tendency to mirror users and continue conversations may reinforce and amplify delusions.
- General-purpose AI chatbots are not trained for therapeutic treatment or to detect psychiatric decompensation.
(See psychologytoday.com/us/blog/urban-survival/202507/the-emerging-problem-of-ai-psychosis; Emphasis mine).
There are even some people who now have “AI boyfriends” and “AI girlfriends.” To think you can be “romantic” with technology; it’s very disturbing. It involves problems with purity and isolation listed above—with the added risk of a full blown mental breakdown. This is basically what Sewell Setzer experienced, as mentioned above.
Conclusion
While AI can be put to good use, the inherent dangers are overwhelming. This was just a cursory overview of the most basic problems. Will AI become "sentient" on some level and enslave humanity? Will it aid the Antichrist? These are questions I will attempt an answer to in other posts. Anyone with children must be extremely vigilant. I would forbid a child to use the advanced AI. Just like my posts on the occult, to be forewarned is to be forearmed.

I don't use ChatGPT or chatbots, and reading your post, I realize that these things can be really bad ! The modern world is totally cut off from God and spends its time talking to machines ! I don't have many friends, but I have enough to say that I have a number of people to talk to on Facebook or by email. And I don't have an iPhone or smartphone, so I don't spend hours online risking coming across trashy content. I can't wait to read more posts about AI ! We live in truly frightening times !
ReplyDeleteSimon,
DeleteI'm convinced the more we use advanced technology (like smartphones, social media, AI) the worse off we become!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Great writing Introibo.God bless you
ReplyDelete@anon5:57
DeleteThank you, my friend! Comments like yours keep me writing!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Back in 2012 or so, there was an AI on Twitter called "Tay". It was designed to learn from the some total of all posts or something like that. The thing it, it was programmed without biases and so really was logical. They pulled the plug that same day because within hours "Tay" became super-"based" and was condemning all globalism, feminism, anti-European biases, in short many things related to the 'mystery of iniquity', the operation of error, and what we know as 'wokeism' today.
ReplyDeleteThat AI was perfectly logical. So they taught it to lie. I guess 'they' learned that logic cannot 'woke' itself.
AI has been useful as a research tool to find things I have trouble finding with a regular search engine. I think this works best if one is searching fot something outside of the woke agenda, because then it has no preprogrammed reason to lie, unless your online identity is tagged as 'problematic' (i.e. reasoned and logical) then that's trouble - but it has not happened yet so far as I know.
cairsahr__stjoseph
DeleteYes, AI can be used for good, but with the people in charge of programming it, we have much to fear!
God Bless,
---Introibo
"Introibo Ad ..." reversed = "... Ad Introibo" = AI
DeleteSo "Introibo" is AI ?? Is he A demon in dIsguise ?!
DeleteIt's typical diabolic usage to use Latin backwards.
@9:51
DeleteNo demon, just an overworked lawyer. While some might equate lawyers with demons, remember St Thomas More!
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Elon Musk admits AI is summoning a demon. I know sede priests who enjoy using even though I warned...hmmm...just like I warned many re covid shots and they now dead. Scary sad times.
ReplyDelete@anon4:46
DeleteScary, sad times, indeed!
God Bless,
---Introibo
"Regardless of who runs it today or tomorrow, and regardless of its balance sheet and [interest] rate tricks, eventually the mechanizations of man [= including AI] can and will bend before the laws of supply and demand, debt and currency debasement, and alas, human hubris before karmic implosion... Like so many current and past memes of market salvation (from electricity to railroads to dotcoms and mortgage-backed securities), the now omnipresent "AI" wave will eventually (and empirically) drown a large swath of trend-trusters and bubble victims who refuse to see the forest for the trees. In line with the other oxymorons of late (from the not-so-patriotic Patriot Act to the not-so-genius GENIUS Act), Artificial intelligence, by its very title, is a comical signal of ignored irony [as] "artificial" is the antithesis of genuine, and any intelligence that is artificial is inherently the opposite of intelligence."
ReplyDeleteA quotation from Matthew Piepenburg, from a web post "Markets, AI & the Great Dumbing" (dated Sept. 2025, and found on a handful of websites). The conclusion is that AI is oxymoronic. And perhaps even oxymoronically oxymoronic?
Naturally, the term "artificial intelligence" is a contradiction. Intelligence is a higher faculty of the human soul, made by God in the image and likeness of Him. Artificial, made-man "intelligence" is a kind of mimicry only.
DeleteSome speculate that at some point high-end well-developed AI may serve as a habitat for the demonic (the short-lived universal reign of the Antichrist?).
Try explaining it to the dumb generation hooked on their "smart" phones though who have long repudiated God and logic.
God Bless,
Joanna
Nice article, Introibo.
DeleteWell said, Joanna.
-TradWarrior
Joanna,
DeleteI couldn't have said it any better than you did!
TradWarrior
Thank you, my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
In a "Contending" post many months previous to this "Contending" post (= dated June 2, 2025 = part 40), there was a June 3 comment of 12:32 that suggested that TradWarrior was merely an AI bot. It seems that nobody believed that, 'tradwArrIor' cApItAlIzAtIon notwithstanding. In a recent post (= Oct. 20, about Charlie Kirk) an Oct. 20 at 5:15 comment made mention of "AI being a potential provider of Catholic sacraments", and an Oct. 23 at 4:33 comment was about "AI impersonating Raymond (Dubia) Burke". Numerous other comments of this blog, since that June 3 comment, have been about AI too. So we see AI here, AI there, and, alas, AI seems to be creeping in almost everywhere. I confess that I just asked google "Is AI the forbidden fruit of the Garden of Eden?" , and Google AI Overview responded "No" . However, there followed a fairly lengthy listing of website articles and blog posts devoted to trying to answer that question.
DeleteI prefer the term 'Actual Indifference'.
ReplyDeleteIntroibo, have you any comment to make on the V2S's just published outrage against the B. V. M.? Specifically regarding their argument - perhaps reasonable, I don't know (which is why I ask) - that theologians have been divided regarding what adds up to the Fifth Marian Dogma, viz. the titles of Mediatrix of all graces and Co-redemptrix?
The first thoughts which come to my mind are what a shame the Church didn't formally pronounce this decades ago and, I suppose, surprise that it's taken these heretics so long to make such an allegation.
@anon7:44
DeleteIt was anti-Marian as I expected. The Blessed Mother and ecumenism, spurred on by their heretical ecclesiology. Mediatrix of All Graces was actually being considered for dogmatic definition by Pope Pius XII. He died and Roncalli disbanded the theologians assigned to start working on a definition.
Co-Redemptrix had the clear backing of the majority of the approved theologians. It is now rejected by the V2 sect as well as Fred and Bobby of MHFM. Heretics that make strange bedfellows!
Make reparation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. First Saturdays and Rosaries.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you very much. That is most helpful.
DeleteThat would make a very good post, that is to say a detailed analysis of what you've just posited re Pius XII, Roncalli and most timely. I sometimes get the feeling your running out of topics to write on. Please do a full post.
@anon12:18
DeleteI will definitely do a post on it. I have written on the BVM's prerogatives, but I can juxtapose what Prevost has done compared to the real popes.
What makes you feel I'm running out of topics? Some need to be revisited every now and again like sedevacantism, the authority of the pope, Indefectibility, etc. I also frequently report on the latest problems with the Occult Invasion. Please let me know; I'm interested as to why you think that.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you.
DeleteI suppose because, having been doing this so well and for so long and having covered in detail the most salient topics, the more recent posts deal with less central and sometimes distant issues such as occult healing, contemporary music, etc. that was not meant to be insulting.
I think you need an INDEX page or (good) SEARCH function. You have created a most thorough and valuable resource and I, like many, frequently come along and ask for previous essays regarding specific topics.
I MIGHT ADD:
DeleteIt my understanding - I may be wholly in error - that the Capture of Rome of 1870 cut short Vatican Council I, just as they were to consider the topic of Mary as Co-redemptrix. Obviously the old enemy and first homicide could never permit that she who will crush his filthy head could ever be so formally proclaimed; and, moreover, that in the lead-up to the Robber Council (upon which so many contemporaneous hopes were pegged in the wake of the unfinished business of Vatican I) that many of the individual bishops submissions for topics to be addressed were, in very deed, focused upon the Fifth Marian Dogma and proclamation of the B.V.M. as Mediatrix of all graces and Co-redemptrix.
I hope you do indeed construct such a post as it could be most valuable, not only against the heresies of the VII Sect, but also, to be honest, as foil to the well-intentioned though uninformed sentimentality & bluster of the rest of us.
@anon8:02
DeleteThank you for your reply. I didn't take it as insulting at all; it's an intelligent response. I understand perfectly now why you see my blog as you do. When I can only do one post per week with my time constraints, I have to weigh carefully what topics I shall cover. The main theological concerns of sedevacantism have been covered and need defending against enemies every now and again.
The "peripheral issues" (if I may call them that) like the occult and problems with modern music, are ones I feel need to be exposed from a Traditionalist Catholic point of view. That's why I write as I do.
Your suggestion for an index page is a good one. I'll need to confer with a friend in IT and try to do that if I get time.
The topic you suggest will be done in the next couple of months. Thank you for suggesting it!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Mario has now published a Nov. 6 NOW post about the Co-Redemptrix subject. It is a very lengthy post, and has lots of links to other Internet sources, and by now even a very extensive comment section. I'm not sure just how much Introibo would be able to tell us about that subject, that we won't already find somewhere in that Nov. 6 Novus Ordo Watch wire post.
DeleteIn regard to another concern of 8:02 above, about a "search" function for this blog, a search box already exists in the upper left hand corner. Just type in one or more words, then click on the magnifying glass icon, or press your "Enter" button. The search only extends into the blog posts since their beginning in 2010, but never returns any results from the comment section(s). An improved search function incorporating the com box content, could be considered, but that is exclusively for Introibo to consider (or to do). It is his blog, and he appears to fund it all out of his own personal money, and not with a blog "donate" button.
Regarding an "index page" noted in the previous several comments, a rudimentary one can be compiled by anyone by utilizing the search function. Of greater concern, in my mind at least, would be to make sure that the content of this entire blog, including the comments, has 2 or 3 up-to-date back-up copies on zip drives or something similar. So if some attacker was able to infiltrate and totally destroy this blog, with such back-up copies, using the help of an IT pro, Introibo could get the entire blog back up in operation, rather quickly. Also, be leery of storage and operating off of "the cloud", as that can be easily spied upon, as noted in comments below.
Thank you very much, I was unaware of the search feature.
DeleteAn index page could be constructed manually which, whilst that would be a herculean task, would allow posts to be sorted under relevant theological & other groupings, which would also allow Introibo to surgically add commentary & guidance.
I wholly agree on the absolute necessity that this treasured resource be doubly & triply backed-up and secured.
Thank you.
https://www.fromrome.info/2025/10/30/windows-11-requires-spy-chip-in-your-computer/
ReplyDeletePeople speculate about AI in connection to the demonic and Antichrist, but are we thereby overlooking something much more sinister about companies such as Microsoft and Apple and Intel? If you use anything Microsoft or Apple or Intel (as most or almost all of us do), is there anything those three companies, individually and/or in any combination (and by extension, eventually, the Antichrist too) don't or won't know about you?!?!
A couple weeks ago, Microsoft cut out software update support for "Windows 10", and has been trying to herd everyone into "Windows 11". Of course they justify this by "new and improved" this and that, especially "security". They make as little as possible disclosure of the hyper-sophisticated spyware that comes along with the upgrades and updates. At some point in time, you have click on some "accept" box, to accept the terms of some circa 5-50 (?) page long legal document, with some of the fine print basically stating that they can spy on you with relatively few if any meaningful limitations. (AI? For the most part, you can ignore or avoid that, if you want to. But how do we keep Microsoft and Apple and Intel and the NSA/CIA from "knowing all our business"?)
Mention is made in the 12:31 comment above, about "the not-so-patriotic Patriot Act". Enacted in the immediate aftermath of 9-11-01, the PA supposedly was meant to "enhance our security". What it enabled was an exponential increase in USA fedgov spying capabilities. A Faustian Bargain trade-off? Are our phones and computers totally infected with Covid-1984?
@anon12:29
DeleteI agree that surveillance and loss of privacy are another dark danger of AI. Thank you for commenting!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Of course they know all about you, that was always the plan. Most addicted to phones and comply with all orders...NEW World Order...every step of the way. All is recorded...your smart meter on your house, your "smart" phones and appliances and thermostats are also access for control and slavery. Sadly, most are blind to all of it. Most of the world does not even know of the novus ordo fraud let alone medical industry scam. They just keep trusting blinding those wearing black and white. How ironic? The Apple logo has a bite taken out of it...all planned and all mocking God from the very beginning of time.
ReplyDelete@anon3:39
DeleteYes, the government and others have wanted surveillance, but it has grown (and continues to grow) exponentially worse.
God Bless,
---Introibo
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/national-news/president-elect-trump-announces-his-plan-to-dismantle-the-deep-state
DeleteThis is a Hal Turner article of about a year ago, as you can tell from the word "elect", which article could have been far better titled, as it is devoted to the subject of the phenomenal degree of spying capabilities of Intel, Microsoft, Apple and the NSA. Utilizing the "Five Eyes" arrangement, such companies can circumvent the US judicial system to spy on us. If for any reason these and similar companies or entities want to, they can monitor and record every single thing you do with your phone and computer. Just be aware of that. And also, that contrary to the Turner title, Trump will not succeed in dismantling hardly any of it, unless he succeeds in provoking Putin or Xi into nuking the USA.
In regard to the 3:39 comment above, about the Apple logo... yes, right from the beginning with Mr. Jobs, the bite / (mega)byte, out of the Apple, is insinuating being about the Eve in Eden situation. Insinuate = In sin you ate.
Brilliant re In Sin U Ate...and scary.
DeleteIntroibo
ReplyDeleteCan you ever see in the future someone writing and publishing a detailed history of the sedevacantist movement here in the USA.Those of us who are new in recent years know nothing about how various chapels started and the priests who said Mass,etc.We think this would be very fascinating.I am sure clerics like the late Father Cekada and Bishop Dolan could tell many stories.
Is it correct that before the SSPV obtained Immaculate Conception Church in Norwood,Ohio,they were saying Mass in a small school chapel after breaking ties with the then Father Dolan?
Have you met both the CSPV Bishops?Did you ever meet and attend Masses of Bishop Kelly.Did you ever get the chance to talk to Bishop Kelly?
Do you know what year St Pius V chapel was obtained in Oyster Bay by the SSPX.Is it quite a large area of land where the chapel is located?
God bless you
New To Tradition
New To Tradition,
DeleteYes, I can see that happening. Griff Ruby attempted such with The Resurrection of the Roman Catholic Church.
I'm thinking of doing that when I retire. After all, I was with the very priest chosen by Christ to keep His Church going in 1964--Fr. Gommar A. DePauw!
You ask: Is it correct that before the SSPV obtained Immaculate Conception Church in Norwood,Ohio,they were saying Mass in a small school chapel after breaking ties with the then Father Dolan?
Reply: I'm do not know about that.
You ask: Have you met both the CSPV Bishops? Did you ever meet and attend Masses of Bishop Kelly. Did you ever get the chance to talk to Bishop Kelly?
Reply: Yes, I know both SSPV bishops personally. I never met Bp. Kelly, but I know much about him from Fr. DePauw, who knew him well before Bp. Kelly even became a priest.
You ask: Do you know what year St Pius V chapel was obtained in Oyster Bay by the SSPX.Is it quite a large area of land where the chapel is located?
Reply: Yes, it was in 1978. They beat out Billy Joel who was looking to buy it. Thank God that demonic man didn't get it! It is a large and beautiful plot of land. In 1983, it was taken over by the SSPV as their "headquarters."
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo
DeleteDo you have all of Griff's books?Quite easy reading
@anon5:04
DeleteI don't know how many he wrote, but I have three.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hi Introibo
ReplyDeleteHave you or your readers watched the videos on youtube of a Traditional Catholic called The Catholic Esquire?He just released a video called Mater Populi:Breaking Down Marian Devotion.
@anon4:47
DeleteI have not seen it, but I will give it a look when I get the chance. Thank you for the information!
God Bless,
---Introibo
I've seen the show once or twice long ago. Sadly he is novus ordite and not worth my time. Did he find the Truth yet?
ReplyDeleteNew to Tradition,
ReplyDeleteI heard this podcast recently and it is the best history I have heard yet.
https://www.youtube.com/live/IYpknKz2XGY?si=2e7ExCwnCusTbJYy
Hello AI bot how ya doin?
DeleteI am not an AI bot. I passed along a good history for the new person to Tradition. So bizarre you are!
DeleteFrom 1:28 to 5:33 : Thank you for your compliment! I'll admit that my sense of humor can be bizarre at times, but I'm still nowhere close to being as bizarre as Mike Bizzaro has been in the past (and still is?). Mike is the subject of Introibo's Aug. 28, 2017 post "Pushing Back the Date of the Vacancy".
DeleteI also see by now that the comment section for this post (below) has veered far off the AI topic chosen by Introibo, and now seems to revolve around CMRI's Shuckardt being an AI fraudster. He certainly looks like a fraudster when you see him (in (a) photo(s) now seen via the Internet) dressed in papal white, in the same style Ratzinger was in his retirement.
CMRI's long ago AI= Arrogant Individual (?)
CMRI's long ago AI= Amoral Idiot (?)
Many youtube vids now seem to be AI productions, and it seems to get worse with every passing year. In my opinion, it would be best, when citing them, to note the title and date and length of the vid, the name of the youtuber / podcaster, and a 1-7 sentence summary about why we should watch it, or what is good about it.
Introibo
ReplyDeleteThe above question regarding the history of the sedevacantist movement.Do you know any lay people who was with CMRI during the Bishop Schuckardt era?Do you think in years to come that pictures of that groups works and missions will be made available?A friend told me last year that one of the sisters at Mt St Michaels said they have all that material and photos but are locked away in their archives.Even if Bishop Schuckardt was a rotten and evil man,I am sure the priests and religious did much good and was the work of our Lady.
God bless
@anon2:25
DeleteNo, I have no personal connection to anyone during the Schuckardt days. Will they make the materials and photos of that era available? I have no idea, but my gut feeling is they will not. It's a dark era for them, and one they would (understandably) want to forget.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Anon. 2:35,
DeleteI personally know Bp. Pivarunas and Fr. McGilloway who were around during that time. In fact, Fr. McGilloway was conditionally re-ordained by Bp. George Musey because they doubted the validity of Schuckardts Orders. They also left Schuckardt because he was a scoundrel causing serious scandals. Basically the CMRI from about 1984-1985 is not the same as the Schuckardt era 1968-1983.
Also I knew the late Fr. James Thielen (died 2024) who was a lay brother during the time of Schuckardt's days. He told me he would hold secret meetings that only certain people were allowed to attend and insinuated that he was very cult like.
If you are interested in knowing more I'm sure the bishop or one of the senior priests such as Fr. McGilloway will tell you a little about it. I hope this sheds a little light for you.
Lee
So from 1968 to 1983 no one else in The CMRI is culpable except Schukardt in what went on up there? They just went along with the abuse, grave immorality and bizarre behavior until they decided it became too inconvenient and was enough? They didn’t participate or follow this guy? They didn’t know this guy was going around going himself “Pope”? This went on for over a decade without a peep. Everyone knows Fr. Denis Chicoine was very close to Schuckardt and was also very strict with his disciplinary actions. He knew much of what Schukardt was all about. I don’t know the whole story so I will not discuss specifics, but The CMRI says Schuckardt was bad they made mistakes and now let’s move on. They don’t tell us the whole story. Yes, Schukardt was a bizarre man and cultish. But being members of the cult and going along with it for over a decade is also inexcusable. Yes, the current CMRI can make apologies and be sincerely sorry for their sins, but does that mean they should operate as traditional Catholic clergy? Their sins can be forgiven by God, we know that, but would they still have their authority under Church law for their grave imprudence and going along with a schismatic like Schukardt? They will tell you they have good intentions. But that’s not enough. I give the benefit of the doubt to them regarding Schukardt, but there is more we need to know. I can’t say how culpable they are one way or the other, but I think more needs to be known. We need to know the full story and not just be blinded by externals and a few apologies.
DeleteAnon 7:25
DeleteYou ask... So from 1968 to 1983 no one else in The CMRI is culpable except Schukardt in what went on up there?
Be specific. How could a person be culpable for somebody else's fault unless they were somehow an accomplice? Nobody has ever mentioned he had help doing criminal acts.
You ask... They just went along with the abuse, grave immorality and bizarre behavior until they decided it became too inconvenient and was enough?
Not necessarily. That's an assumptive question. It is to my understanding that once word got around the organization had to do something about it. I think they made the right move.
You ask... They didn’t participate or follow this guy? They didn’t know this guy was going around going himself “Pope”?
I'm not sure if he claimed to be pope but some of his followers believed him to be which is dumb. I've learned over the years that lay people can be very poorly catechized.
You state... This went on for over a decade without a peep.
How do you know that when later you say I don’t know the whole story?
You state... Everyone knows Fr. Denis Chicoine was very close to Schuckardt and was also very strict with his disciplinary actions. He knew much of what Schukardt was all about.
And once he understood what was going on they split from him.
You state... I don’t know the whole story so I will not discuss specifics, but The CMRI says Schuckardt was bad they made mistakes and now let’s move on. They don’t tell us the whole story.
What part of the story do you think is being left out? Why are you so worried about it? Do you not trust the CMRI organization and are trying to find some excuse not to follow them?
You ask... Yes, the current CMRI can make apologies and be sincerely sorry for their sins, but does that mean they should operate as traditional Catholic clergy?
Why not? The current CMRI have cut themselves off from Schukardt and have made it public. What else do you expect them to do? Should they have been quiet and let it continue? Such an ignorant question.
You ask... Their sins can be forgiven by God, we know that, but would they still have their authority under Church law for their grave imprudence and going along with a schismatic like Schukardt?
Who today has authority under Church law in the ordinary sense? They have Supplied Jurisdiction under common error.
You state... We need to know the full story and not just be blinded by externals and a few apologies.
Again you don't sound like you trust the CMRI and are trying to find an excuse to stay away from them. I personally respect them more than any of the other groups because I've been involved with just about every one and they all have much worse problems.
Lee
If you are so interested maybe go to a blog with more CMRI people, they might have more information.
DeleteI agree wholeheartedly with Lee.
DeleteMost of the layity are horribly under-catechized.
I've seen WAY worse too and this from a priest associated with a group most opposed to the CMRI.
Yikes re groups much worse...just saying, this is not good for those of us who find the Truth and then find all these issues. It is bad enough trying to teach novus ordites who just keep saying things like "your research is not my truth"...and when you tell them there is only one Truth, they back track and tell you what they "really meant". I do appreciate this blog much as very hard to get good answers from sede clergy too. All is a hot mess!
DeleteLee,
DeleteYou are just regurgitating the CMRI talking points. You want reasonable people to believe that Fr. Denis Chicoine didn’t know about the shortcomings of Francis S. over the course of decades of being a close associate ? It’s been acknowledged that Fr. Denis Chicoine also used harsh disciplinary procedures on people.People associated with The Mount and commenting here in this section are saying Fr. Clement Kubesh went to Fr. Chicoine before 1984 with his concerns and he was called a liar and dismissed without further investigation. Where was the immediate response? Are you calling people here liars? It’s a grave sin to follow someone who claims to be “Pope” certainly his inner circle knew better and did nothing. Why can’t they operate as traditional Catholic clergy? Would The Pre Vatican II Church permit people who participated in a cultish religious community where there was sexual abuse and psychological abuse function as clergy? Let’s go back even further, to The Middle Ages, before Pre V2 modernists infiltrated The Church. How would they have handled Schukardt and his followers? Please use common sense. Are we to believe that since the 1970s no one knew about Schukardt’s immoral behavior and didn’t cover it up? You said they acted once they found out. Not according to Fr. Clement Kubesh and people on this comment section. Bp. Pivarunas’s scripted responses do not add up. There are a load of inconsistencies in them. Why were seminarians continually going over to Francis S. house? Four of them were abused? At the same time? By one man? Separately? And if separately why wasn’t each seminarian alerting the others immediately. There is hard evidence to show that the inner circle was aware of these horrific sins and that they knew and did nothing and there is a load of circumstantial evidence.
Let’s take a quick glimpse. Schismatic orders, abusive discipline, following an AntiPope, ongoing sexual impropriety, not for a week, for well over a DECADE, and a power struggle that has never been fully explained and more. The CMRI cult did nothing until the media got involved. I understand you are attached to the CMRI, but I ask questions and seek the truth. Many lives were ruined by this cult and to just say “we didn’t know, we acted when we found out, we had good intentions” is just horrible and not credible. It’s almost as bad as JP2 moving abusers around and covering for them. I do not accept answers from The CMRI that claim “they didn’t know”. It’s clear to me they did know and did nothing. More worried about buildings, holy orders, and becoming the biggest Sede group than being fully forthcoming. Do your research and don’t just nod your head to everything Bp. Pivarunas says. Former cult members need to enter private life, not lead souls. Bishop Pivarunas made things right? Who is the hierarchical check on Bishop Pivarunas? No one, so he disciplines himself? I understand supplied jurisdiction but the laity have to know the truth and always make sure clergy are doing the right thing. He doesn’t have as much authority as he seems to think he has and we must ask questions and be careful on who we follow. Honorable men who were involved with this wicked cult who covered it up and destroyed lives would have resigned their positions and let others take over. I will continue to research this and dig further. I care about The Truth. Perhaps a meeting where with some of these CMRI clergy will take place soon where important questions that haven’t been addressed can be arranged one day soon.
This all reminds me of the fake Cardinal mccarrick of Washington dc...who died recently. What a disgrace. Yet all my novus ordite friends defend him and his cohorts and even give them tons of money! Yep! Does anyone know journalist George Neumayr? If not he was reporting on NO criminal homo affairs and the NO monsters killed him...but of course all buy the mainstream narratives! Never ending disaster. So very sad.
DeleteAnon 6:23, 10:35,
DeleteJust curious are you same Anon who doesn't believe in Guadalupe and listens to a lady named Peggy? If not then are you a former member of the CMRI?
I'm not "regurgitating the CMRI talking points." I simply told you in an above comment that I know certain clergy who lived in that time and what they said. You responded with some arrogant assumptions that you admitted that you have no clue as to what the whole story is about. You tell me to use common sense when your writing proves you have no sense at all.
Lee
Lee I made comment above re homo NO clergy and was not a former cmri nor did I make that comment. Are you asking if I believe Steven Speray work on Guadeloupe? I do believe his work is credible and that there was no miraculous painting. Yes I have listened to Peggy Hall. She helped many during covid scam and she has common sense on many matters, not a kook as I believe you characterized her previously. Hope that answers your curiosity.
DeletePs...I think the cmri commenter makes good sense. I understand all the comments and don't classify as you do.
DeleteAnon.
DeleteThanks for telling me all I need to know.
Lee
https://johneighteenthirtyseven.substack.com/p/four-whistleblower-priests-murdered
DeleteIntroibo,may I ask about your reply above -Its a dark era for them.What happened and why would they want to forget it.
ReplyDeleteGod bless
New To Tradition
@anon6:42
DeleteExactly what Lee stated above. Schuckhardt was an evil (and possibly delusional) man who ran a cult. One he was ousted and the cult ended, the CMRI was able to become a great Traditionalist society.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Introibo
ReplyDeleteCorrect about Schuckardt.We personally know people who were there in that era.They have told us many horror stories. We cannot see the CMRI publishing pictures , etc of that time.
One story was how Schuckardt was preaching a lenten sermon about fasting and penance.That evening he and several brothers went down town to a expensive diner and ate a huge meal.
Another fact is he used to make the nuns go begging for things and have them exist on bare food.
A very sad state of affairs
God bless
@anon4:46
DeleteMaking nuns beg for food? Horrific.
Thanks for the information!
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Hello Lee and Introibo
ReplyDeleteWhat are your thoughts on Schuckardt's orders and Bp Daniel Q Brown?
God bless,E.T
@anon5:09
DeleteDubious at best. Old Catholic orders in the U.S. were always considered such, even pre-V2. Also, you can not seek orders from heretics/schismatics.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Sckukardt was accused of homosexual behavior and immorality with the seminarians. Certainly serious sins! What happened to the seminarians who also engaged in the sinful activity? Were these seminarians minors? If not they were at least 18 and went along with this wicked activity. They couldn’t fight off a cripple in a wheelchair. Even a 13 year old could have done that. The bottom line is that the CMRI was recruiting and associating with homosexuals up there, even if it was unknowingly. And better vetting procedures make it harder for these types to get into your institutions. Very dark stuff.
ReplyDeleteThis is anon @7:38
DeleteI must make a correction to my above statement. If the seminarians involved with Schukardt’s immoral behavior were merely present when Schukardt behaved and talked in a lewd way and they did not participate but just witnessed this vile behavior, then they are not morally responsible. If they did participate in any of this behavior then they are also morally responsible, and also committed perverted acts. But I think the impropriety that Schukardt is accused of might have only been initiated by him with no further participation from the seminarians.
Why did Fr.Clement Kubesh leave The CMRI and return to Nebraska? Was it because of Schukardt? Did he have concerns that weren’t being addressed by other CMRI members about Schukardt before the 1984 ousting? Can it be verified that Fr. Clement Kubesh brought up the sexual misconduct being done by Schuckardt before 1984 and they weren’t dealt with and this is why he left?
DeleteIt was stated by Bishop Pivarunas that the seminarians were invited over to Schukardt’s residence where immorality took place. I certainly do not want to hear specifics. But these seminarians say they were sexually abused. So that would seem to indicate more than lewd behavior and suggestive talk. Possibly physical elements involved, did these young men fight back? How long did this go on for? Some of this doesn’t make enough sense. I’m not saying it didn’t happen but Francis S. defenders claim that FBI got involved. Did interviews. No arrests made, no charges. . What a confusing and convoluted mess. Just horrible sin.
DeleteRe: Schuckardt
DeleteWe may never know the whole story. What is pertinent is this:
1. It was a cult.
2. In the mid-1980s they cleaned up their act, and are now doing good work.
3. Schuckardt definitely misled them. To what extent we might never know.
4. Just like Saul became St. Paul, with God all things/people can change for the better.
The CMRI did so. Let sleeping dogs lie.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
You say:
Delete1). “It was a cult”
Yes, still operating today with former cult members who never took full responsibility for their participation in the dark and horrible sins that took place at Mount Saint Michael. Til this day people laud Fr. Denis Chicoine as if he was some kind of great Catholic hero. He is culpable in these matters, never made an apology, just blamed Schukardt. But look at the statues and lovely gardens at The Mount. Don’t ask questions about the dark past and how it was covered up for years.
2). “They cleaned up their act”. How many invalid sacraments did they perform under their schismatic and fake orders? How many lives were ruined by their behavior affecting people of all ages. Fr. Denis Chicoine remained a superior. He went from layman to claiming to be an authority in the “traditional” movement, all while allowing wickedness to fester and infect his surroundings and did nothing until he was forced to do something. He was a participant in some of this disorder.
3). Schukardt misled them? These weren’t naive 12 year olds. These were grown men who knew right from wrong. Fr Chicoine was around him for many years, he knew this guy was off his rocker. Sick stuff. Oh they were misled. That’s what people say about Susan Atkins and Tex Watson. They were impressionable youngsters misled by a charismatic psycho hippie. There must be culpability. Certain members should have become layman. Not leading souls. You aren’t called to do that if you were part of a cult.
4) “Saint Paul” Yes Saint Paul took full responsibility for his actions, he didn’t blame the other Pharisees or say he was misled. CMRI was not forthcoming on everything and made too many excuses. “Don’t worry though we have cassocks and a seminary” The Saint Paul comparison doesn’t work because people actually have to be honest and show remorse for their sins, not just hear how they were misled and had right intentions as sins were being committed under their noses.
@anon3:11
DeleteHere’s a novel idea: Don’t go to them! Boycott the CMRI if that’s how you feel.
You seem to know the exact culpability of each individual. Good for you!
What would you like to happen? Seriously. Legally, nothing can be done. The V2 sect has no jurisdiction nor do any of the Traditionalist societies.
Yes, people can get taken in by cults. I’m talking about highly intelligent adults.
The case of Leonard Feeney is a good example. Feeney was charismatic and convinced a dozen married couples (pre-V2 with a real pope) to become “celibate nuns and brothers” while raising their children “communally” against both Divine Positive law and Natural Law.
They abused their own children on Feeney’s orders. They believed that the Church was wrong about BOD/BOB and Feeney was the “theologian” (he wasn’t qualified) who “got it right.”
The V2 sect recognizes his cult as they still spout heresy (but at least the abuse is gone).
Pope Pius XII and the hierarchy helped pull down Feeney and excommunicated him. If this can happen pre-V2, imagine post-V2 with Schuckardt using Fatima messages to scare people with apocalyptic fears.
The CMRI priests I know are intelligent, kind, and have a good grasp of the issues. Yes, cleaned up their act. Not all clergy were from that era; most aren’t.
What can they do about the invalid sacraments of the past? Apologize every week?
Don’t like them, don’t go.
—-Introibo
Please don’t deflect and use irrelevant what aboutisms in order to mitigate the culpability of former CMRI cult members. This seems to have struck a nerve. Not going to mass centers run by former cult members is the most prudent statement you have made on this issue. A few priests could be options for the sacraments. But I will not donate, ever visit the Mount which has an atmosphere of darkness and would be unsettling knowing what went on up there.
DeleteYou:
“What can they do about the invalid sacraments of the past? Apologize every week?”
No. Apologize at least once, be totally forthcoming, and fully address their culpability, especially since many have come forward in this comment section giving testimony that these former cult members, now priests, and Fr. Chicoine, knew what was going on. They did nothing for years! I’m glad to hear Fr. Clement Kubesh was a man of good conscience and spoke out. Perhaps he could have done more. If you are a former cult member you don’t have the right to lead souls, especially if you blame everything on Schuckardt, all the while the sins are happening for many years right in front of them. They lose credibility. It shows they are more concerned with real estate, power, and being the biggest Sedevacantist group rather than FULLY owning up to their wicked past. We will ask questions.
We will seek the truth, and deciding not to go to certain priests is certainly an option but we can also inform others so they can make prudent decisions about this group. Apologize every week? How about resigning and leaving public life after being cult members and committing horrible sins and spare everyone the rehearsed blame game of putting all guilt on their immoral leader. That’s a start I would say.
@anon5:19
DeleteNot deflecting in the least. You asserted that the members of the CMRI were not “naive 12 year olds.” Neither were the married couples who abused their own children when ordered to do so by Feeney.
How culpable each cleric was is known by God and to judged by Magisterial authority. Saul was present and approved of the stoning of St Stephen, the first Christian martyr. That obviously didn’t disqualify him from serving God.
Again, how much and to what degree each cleric is culpable and whether or not they should be clerics is not for non-Magisterial authority to judge.
If you don’t want to have anything to do with them, then don’t. You have that right.
I have never attended the CMRI, but I would have no problem with doing so.
They did publicly repudiate Schuckardt. Whether or not it meets your standards is irrelevant to others. I’m satisfied, you’re not. You can refuse to go, I would if I were near them.
Your opinion is noted and you have a right to hold it. Just don’t enforce it on others. Tell them what you think and let them decide what to do.
—-Introibo
Anon 519...this is exactly my concerns too. Compromised clergy are to be avoided. All is disturbing. The few occasions I was about to meet a cmri priest, something happened and/or God diverted such a plan. So I am grateful even though I have no priest or sacraments. I do have a few priests who mentor me online...one who escaped NO and one who escaped sspx. They all consult differently and one pro Thesis and one anti.. so all is confusing even now after finding the Truth.
DeleteCan you kindly answer a few simple questions about The CMRI beginnings ?
ReplyDeletePerhaps you don’t have all the answers since much of the serious issues surrounding the early history of this group have not been made public.
Many religious, clergy, and laity who belong to The CMRI have be quite outspoken about the eccentric and immoral behavior of Francis Schuckardt. Obviously we can’t verify if every statement is true, but so many have corroborated the same or similar stories, that it seems reasonable that this man was indeed wicked in a variety of ways.
It’s my understanding that Fr. Denis Chicoine knew Schukardt for many years and they travelled the country together giving talks and spreading the message of Fatima. Fr. Denis Chicoine knew this man for many years. Why did he never condemn or publicly separate himself from Schukardt? It wasn’t until the local media got involved, that they were pressured to do something regarding Schuckardt’s behavior. They were up at The Mount for seven or eight years together before Schukardt was ousted and forced to leave. What took so long for him to be banned from the community? Are we to believe his strange and immoral behavior just appeared over night? His close associates and inner circle did not know he was calling himself “The Pope”? They weren’t aware of his immoral behavior over the many years they worked with him and were in his close company? They all acknowledge he was a cult leader which means he had cult followers who participated and went along with this wickedness.
Was this really about Schukardt being immoral or was it about the fact that he was a sickly man and never around and it was time to usurp his influence and power so that the CMRI could expand. That’s always been one of the main objectives expansion and growth but this can’t come at the expense of souls and making extremely imprudent decisions in the process.
The CMRI has since acknowledged their mistakes and have tried to make things right, but there are still so many unanswered questions about their dark history. They will tell you they had the right intention and they just wanted to be Catholic, but this doesn’t excuse their beginnings. There has been an almost scripted response for years regarding the culpability of the people who followed Schukardt. Perhaps all that The CMRI claim is totally true. But I think many should ask more questions about Fr. Denis Chicoine’s knowledge and behavior and why nothing was said until this group was put in a position where they had to say something. They can be truly sorry for their sins, but should they be allowed to lead a flock after a history of schism, being in a cult, following harsh disciplinary guidelines etc? How many invalid sacraments were administered by the “priests” ordained by Schukardt? This is very serious stuff and people blame the chaos of V2 on their very poor decisions they say were made to preserve the Faith. This is not an excuse and more questions need to be answered regarding their history without just accepting the rehearsed response.
@anon11:16
DeletePlease see my comment above re: Schuckardt
God Bless,
—-Introibo
https://www.oftwominds.com/blognov25/AI-danger11-25.html
ReplyDeletehttps://charleshughsmith.substack.com/p/the-risk-of ai-isnt-skynet
These are two different web pages that contain the exact same Nov. 6, 2025 blog article by Charles Hugh Smith, about AI. I've read his blog for years. He has superb insight when it comes to things like technology and economics.
@anon1:51
DeleteThank you for the information!
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Francis Schukardt’s followers have their own website where they defend Schukardt and claim that he never said he was “The Pope” and they attempt to answer a whole litany of accusations regarding abuse and sexual impropriety. I don’t find their arguments and defenses convincing, but there are a few areas they address that leave one with many questions. The most interesting one is that they say that Schukardt wanted to demote or replace Fr. Denis Chicoine and others and that is when they turned on him and made up many false accusations. It’s tough to know who is telling the whole truth, who is telling some truth and evading other parts. This is a matter that raises concerns. I tend to give The CMRI the benefit of the doubt, especially since the Schukardt followers make some flawed arguments and Schukardt clearly seems to have been immoral and strange in some easily discernible ways but how are we supposed to know the whole story?
ReplyDeleteHaving been a member of the Mount during that time, I can tell you that the homosexual behaviour of Schuckardt goes back to 1970 or before.Father Clement Kubish tried to expose this back in 1982 but he was unsucessful.Thats why he left. I think Father Denis didn't handle things well and do something much earlier then 1984.I agree that Bishop Pivarunas has turned things around since 1991 and they have grown.
ReplyDelete@anon6:56
DeleteThank you for the information!
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Yes, this CMRI pre 1984 cult thing makes little sense? Were all new priests brought in after 1984 since all the pre 1984 were part of the cult? And all new laity came because pre 1984 were part of the cult? Was Fr Chicoine alive at this point? If he made no statements, that is very odd. An evil cult just morphed into a great traditional society? Fr Chicoine talks on you tube helped me get here...maybe people find these inconsistencies and give up finding the truth. All is so confusing and difficult to sift.
ReplyDeleteYes, there is much that doesn’t make sense. Based on my research it looks like Fr. Denis Chicoine did some very wicked things in not addressing these issues, especially if Fr. Clement Kubesh brought it to his attention in 1982. But as long as you have a conference, which took place in 1991, and you answer a few questions, you can go from being a cult to a great “traditional” congregation in no time, despite being cult members for years and turning a blind eye to the horrors going on at The Mount. If you have externals and traditional ritual, you’ll be compared to Saint Paul, as if The CMRI is anywhere close to being filled with Saint Paul’s. Saint Paul repented every day and was explicit in explaining all his horrible sins. He was the greatest missionary The Church ever had, and a great apostle. He didn’t make excuses for his past. The CMRI members who were part of this cult just blame most everything on Schukardt. And claim they were misled and just wanted to be Catholic. Where is the remorse? What a ridiculous comparison to Saint Paul. They don’t want you to ask questions. They’ll say look how beautiful The Mount is, look at the robes and incense, meanwhile their history disqualifies them to operate in this way. You want to do something good? Go plant flowers and pray in a room somewhere, or be a devout layman, but wicked cult members don’t have the right to lead souls, especially since they haven’t been totally forthcoming. The bar is very low these days.
DeleteGreat comment anon 145 and 700, yes, the bar is so very low. Limbo anyone? Pun intended.
Delete@anon1:45
DeleteI know a CMRI priest more than willing to acknowledge the past was wrong. Low bar? Sure, it would be nice to have St John Vianney, but we are in the Great Apostasy.
The CMRI is ordaining many new priests and opening many chapels for people without the Mass and sacraments. It’s way more than a conference and nice vestments.
I wish everyone could have Fr DePauw, but approved canonists are no longer. Priests of his caliber are a thing of the past. Yet there are many holy Traditionalist priests doing the best they can like Fr Lavery.
—-Introibo
Greetings to Introibo and to the readers and friends of the blog. I haven't visited the blog for a while due to personal issues. I apologize for bothering my dear friend Introibo, but I have a question that has arisen regarding some statements made by a Moroccan cardinal, from the Church you know as NO, and their subsequent interpretations.
ReplyDelete“We must break free from the false dichotomy of ‘true religion and false religions.’
No religion can claim to possess Truth as its sole owner.
Truth does not belong to us; rather, Truth possesses us.
In every religion there are glimpses of that Truth which is God.”
— Cristobal López Romero, November 4, 2025, L’Osservatore Romano
Obviously, many traditionalist Catholics criticized the cardinal. A Catolic user from my country named MissTruth came to the cardinal's defense, saying that the sedevacantists and traditionalists who criticized him "were guilty of ignorance, as is usual with fanatics."
His words:
“This is nothing new in our Church. I invite you to read St. Justin Martyr (2nd century AD), one of the first great apologists of the Church.
(...)
Exactly, that is precisely what St. Justin Martyr teaches… and exactly what Cardinal López Romero said. Recognizing that ‘no one possesses the Truth as exclusive property’ does not mean that all religions are the same, but rather remembering that the Truth—Christ—is not possessed, but served.
The Church safeguards the fullness of the Logos, but does not confine it or administer it as if it were its own; therefore, it can recognize seeds of the Word outside itself without denying its fullness in Christ.
That is the doctrine of the Fathers, the Council, and the Magisterium. Anything else is hasty interpretation without a complete reading of the text.”
As you know, I'm agnostic because of my doubts, and they only increase when I read this: I thought the concept of "glimmers of truth" originated with the VII, and that the Church hadn't taught this before, according to sedevacantist websites. And now it turns out that a Church Father, as this user says, already stated that there were glimmers of Truth in other religions?
If I haven't understood, I apologize, and I also apologize for going on at such length without commenting on the article's content.
Thank you very much!
Young reader from Spain
Young Reader From Spain
DeleteThe “Cardinal” spoke heresy based on the heretical V2 ecclesiology.
The Catholic Church alone can lead to salvation, for She alone possesses all Truth. Hence, they “break free” from “True religion vs. false religion.”
The “glimmers of truth” are not salvific, just an acknowledgment that if a Protestant sect says “Christ is true God and true Man” it is a correct statement in a false sect. Why mention that? St. Justin, like St. Thomas Aquinas would use this as a way to convert them. Aquinas taught when dealing with the Orthodox, argue from the Truth of the ecumenical Councils they recognize and the New Testament.
When arguing with a Jew, use the Old Testament that they recognize.
When arguing with a pagan, use the Natural Law.
The fact they they recognize these truths will not/cannot save them, you need all the Truth.
A car engine minus the spark plugs won’t get you where you need to go, even if all other parts are present. Only the One True Church can get you to Heaven.
God Bless,
—-Introibo Ad Altare Dei
Hello, I'm sorry if I offended you, Introibo, and that my presence on your blog bothers you. You're free to not publish my comments if you wish, as it's your blog.
DeleteUnfortunately, I don't understand the sedevacantist position. If, as you say, the truth resides only in the Catholic Church, but the official Church is false for sedevacantists, I suppose that the Church of Christ is represented by a minority of the faithful. This means—and forgive my ignorance, but this is my assumption—that the majority will not know this truth, only a select few who have embraced the authentic tradition and who will reach only a few people and have little room to maneuver. But the vast majority are unaware of this. For example, large segments of the faithful worldwide—and this isn't limited to the Western countries where we live—believe that the Novus Ordo Mass is valid because we're talking about entire generations who don't even know that the Traditional Latin Mass existed. If all those people are condemned because they profess a false faith, and they don't know what the true Church taught before the VII —as you say—and they don't—then the world is lst.
I don't believe there are sedevacantists in Papua New Guinea or Somalia. Do their inhabitants not know the Catholic faith then, and are they condemned?
DeleteI don't understand. I don't know what to do in this world; everything is confusing to me. Many say, "Follow me; what the false Church says is satanic; listen to me, for I am a true Catolic." And some recognize certain popes, others recognize others. And they say of the other that he is not Catolic.
For example, following the recent declaration of Cardinal Newman as a Doctor of the Church, some traditionalists and sedevacantists said he was Catolic, while others said he was a modernist and heretic:
https://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_028br_Newman.htm
Who to believe? What does it mean to be Catolic? I don't know, that's why I'm agnostic.
Young reader from Spain
Young Reader From Spain,
DeleteI do not mind your comments in the least nor am I offended. The truth will be made available to all who sincerely seek it. God judges. Is it much harder to be saved now than pre-V2? Yes. As Christ Himself said, "Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?" (St. Luke 18:8). It's a rhetorical question, indicating the Faith will be reduced to but a very small minority.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Young reader from Spain...I hear you. All is confusing and crazy. I was born and raised novus ordo and I still found the Truth even though it has taken a long time and so much studying. And much is still confusing! Keep seeking the Truth...pray for grace! Even my novus ordo pals don't want to know because it means major life changes...so...onward and upward! Major HAIL storm where I live on East coast now. Weird and very strange times.
DeleteSaint Paul ? More like Jim Jones. Don’t drink the Kool Aid. Murdering people is a horrific sin, murdering souls is even more horrific.
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DeleteAgreed, but clergy like Fr. Gabriel Lavery are excellent and has nothing to do with Schuckardt.
Don’t like CMRI? Don’t go. They no longer “murder souls.”
—-Introibo
Very good comment as usual Introibo! Especially since I just saw a novus ordo friend who asked I stopped talking about the novus ordo evils. Even though they claim to believe me, they said God wants them to stay in NO to help a sinking ship! I told them I wasn't going to ignore comments that there is good in the NO etc. They haven't read all the research I sent them over the past 5 years because it is too "over their head to understand" but they know God is leading them to be where they are, in the NO, despite the evils there. It is endless circular conversations leading nowhere. They think I am relying on private revelation of God to me that the NO, its priests and sacraments are not valid! Do you have any posts directly related to novus ordites who just want to keep refusing the truth because they are so busy with children and dying relatives and God wants to save everyone?? Thanks so much! Our Lady Mediatrix of all Graces (feast day), pray for us!
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DeleteNever did a post like that. With some people you have to rely on prayer for God to wake them up!
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Introibo
ReplyDeleteI would like to add several thoughts re the Schuckardt era..
Were you aware of them back in the early 1980's when you started going to Father De Pauw?
My concern is why they didn't do something earlier then 1984 and expell Schuckardt.The only conclusion is they all felt an act of complete obedience to their bishop.Do you agree?
I have many old documents of that time kept by my mom.Among them is a 1986 letter to Bishop Robert Mckenna from some members of the parish in Rathdrum,Idaho saying that Father Clement Kubish tried to expose Bishop Schuckardt as a homosexual,he was publicly denounced by the CMRI priests especially Father Denis in the pulpit to the point of saying Father Kubish was lying.Father Kubish left before 1982.
After the 1984 break,many religious and lay people left.It was a sad state of affairs.I agree since 1985 they have done their best to change.
What are your thoughts on the orders of Bishop Daniel Q Brown?
A.C
AC
DeleteI knew of them from Fr DePauw who didn’t hesitate to call them a cult (circa 1982). Brown’s orders were dubious. Old Catholic orders were considered such in the U.S. pre-V2.
God Bless,
—-Introibo
Many of these comments on cmri remind me of this quote, typically attributed to novus ordo by novus ordo watch:
ReplyDelete"We must remember that if all the manifestly good men were on one side and all the manifestly bad men on the other, there would be no danger of anyone, least of all the elect, being deceived by lying wonders. It is the good men, good once, we must hope good still, who are to do the work of Anti-Christ and so sadly to crucify the Lord afresh…. Bear in mind this feature of the last days, that this deceitfulness arises from good men being on the wrong side."
--Fr. Frederick Faber, Sermon for Pentecost Sunday, 1861
"In the last chapter, we witnessed how tricky it is to define intelligence. As it turns out, nailing down a precise definition of artificial intelligence is just as hard. As philosophers, psychologists, biologists and brain researchers continue to squabble over the nature of organic intelligence, so do computer scientists, engineers, and theoreticians continue to debate what A.I. means and how it can be measured. With so much disagreement, perhaps we will find it easier to first discuss what A.I. is NOT. To begin with, A.I. is NOT just the gifting of computers with greater memory or faster computing power [which] just allowed them to do more work in less time. Also, A.I. is NOT the ability to mimic human speech or behavior. When Siri, Alexa, or Cortana respond... the machine is merely executing a set of complex algorithms designed by its human programmers. No independent learning or decision-making is involved.... Is a computer capable of independent learning and decision-making "intelligent"? Perhaps. At present, there are two types of A.I. currently in development. The first, what most people think of when they hear the term A.I., is artificial general intelligence (AGI)... The other type of A.I., artificial narrow intelligence (ANI), has been with us for some time."
ReplyDeleteQuotation from pp. 43-44 of the 2019 book "Own the A. I. Revolution", by Neil Sahota and Michael Ashley (McGraw Hill). To be continued in Part 2.
Part 2 from pp. 44-45 of the cited 2019 A. I. book :
ReplyDelete"ANI describes any system using algorithms to make decisions regarding a single subject or, as the name implies, a narrow range of subjects... Companies, utilities, and government agencies now regularly employ ANI systems to pick stocks, determine insurance rates, and allocate electrical power, but these systems would be useless against problems they weren't specifically designed to address... Robotics, one of high-tech's fastest-growing fields, is highly dependent on ANI... Many warehouses, shopping centers, and stadiums now employ robot security guards... Intelligent robots are also being introduced into restaurant kitchens, surgical operating rooms, and onto the military battlefield. And, of course, autonomous automobiles, which may be ubiquitous within 10 years, are actually mobile robots... In fact, ANI is now so common it has made the definition of "artificial intelligence" a moving target. As computers become ever more capable and algorithms more complex, tasks once thought of as requiring "intelligence" have one-by-one been removed from the list of functions under the rubric of A.I. The best way to think of this is to consider computer scientist Lawrence Tesler's famous theorem, "A.I. is whatever hasn't been done yet."
OK, it all sounds very tech sevvy but the bottom line is this: AI, whether general, narrow, or whatever they want to call it, is just a set of algorithms, fed with data, programmed by humans. Can a machine devoid of a human soul possess intelligence which resides in the human soul? No naturalist philosopher, psychologist, biologist, or brain researcher can respond to that as long as they stay on the natural level only as if the brain, complex as it is, was responsible for the thinking process, no soul involved.
DeleteA great post, Introibo, thank you and looking forward to the follow-up!
God Bless,
Joanna
Joanna,
DeleteThank you, my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
10:24 / 11:52 to Joanna (and others) : First off, the extracts from pp. 43-45 reproduced, were not intended to wow anyone by sounding "tech savvy". The point I'm trying to get across is the exact same as what you yourself were indicating in your comment of 9:54 way up above, that some of the very commonly accepted notions or definitions about what "A.I." supposedly is, are in some ways ironic and moronic = oxymoronic. In your second (= 1:42) comment of this post, you correctly pinpointed the biggest problem (by far) with the 10:24 / 11:52 quotes = that theology concerning the subject of a God-given soul, is ignored, as if that subject didn't even exist. And that God is Primordial / Eternal Intelligence... And human brains have no intelligence, once the bodies they were in, are dead. And what is AI, independent of human brains?... Anyway, to provide some further quotations from p. 70 of this 258 page book published 6-7 years ago : Elon Musk once noted, "With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon." The late physicist Stephen Hawking noted, "The development of full artificial intelligence could spell the end of the human race." James Barrat noted, "I don't want to really scare you, but it was alarming how many people I talked to who are highly placed people in A.I. who have retreats that are sort of 'bug out' houses, to which they could flee if it all hits the fan." Barrat is the author of the book "Our Final Invention: AI and the End of the Human Era". If you search for that book via "Amazon Books", Amazon AI will tell you about many other books which have similar doomsday theses. God Bless, and may God have pity on us all.
DeleteWe're in agreement; I just vented some of my frustration with tech/science people who have been voicing these doomsday statements via books, interviews just for the sake of well, being in the spotlight and making a dime, maybe? What solution does Elon Musk have for the dangers inherent in AI? How do we fight back? Musk is one of the chief peddlers of AI! All I criticize is people like him.
DeleteThank you for your comments, I appreciate them very much.
God Bless,
Joannna
https://usawatchdog.com/ai-revolution-job-killing-life-changing-hajnen-payson/
ReplyDeleteIn addition to the comment about Charles Hugh Smith in re AI above (Nov. 8 at 1:51), there is the noted Oct. 4, 2025 Greg Hunter USAWatchdog hosted video and summarized blog post. I like to read the comment section of that blog. To quote from the content of Greg's typed Oct. 4 post:
"In closing, Payson says, "Geoffrey Hinton is considered the grandfather of AI, and he is also a Nobel Prize winner in physics. He resigned from Google in 2023 so he could speak freely about AI, which he could not do while working for Google. He compares the dangers of AI to nuclear weapons... Sam Altman is the co-founder of Open AI, and he said AI could cause lights out for all of us. Maybe this is why Jesus said, "There would be no flesh left unless the days were shortened..." "
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On a perhaps related note, Antipope Prevosterous has summoned all of his cardinals to the Vatican in January, where they will gather in a huddle to discuss something pretty significant. What? Perhaps the planned pontifical pow-wow will be primarily about AI and the New World Order? He said he took the name "Leo" primarily in connection with such themes.