Is It The Same Religion?

 

To My Readers: This week my guest poster, TradWarrior, exposes the Vatican II sect by asking "Is it the same religion?" Is the religion Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ founded in 33 AD and which taught the same truths through the last known true pope, Pope Pius XII, the same as the religion of Angelo Roncalli (John XXIII), Giovanni Montini (Paul VI), Albino Luciani (JPI), Karol Wojtyla (JPII), Joseph Ratzinger (Benedict XVI), Jorge Bergoglio (Francis I), and now Robert Prevost (Leo XIV)? The answer he gives after laying out the facts is a resounding "NO"! 

Feel free to comment as usual. If anyone has a specific question or comment for me, I will answer as always, but it may take me a bit longer to do so this week.

God bless you all, my dear readers---Introibo

Is It The Same Religion?

By TradWarrior

The purpose of this post will be to examine the differences after 1958 when Pope Pius XII died to everything that came before it. The quotations will be taken from The Catholic Church’s documents, especially the writings by popes. Sources for these quotes are the documents themselves. They were pulled from many different areas online, including several previous articles that Introibo wrote. This article is merely to demonstrate that we are looking at two very different religions in the article herein.---TradWarrior

For 1,925 years, the Catholic Church taught the same truth to all of mankind, century after century from 33-1958AD. When one looks at the Catholic Church between that time and after 1958, there is a stark difference that is extremely noticeable to anyone who honestly compares the teachings of the church before and after this time period. The question asked is: “What happened?” While there are many different answers to that question, one thing is certain; we are dealing with two very different religions here. When we compare the religion after 1958, especially in light of the Second Vatican Council documents, it is very clear that something has happened.

Religious Liberty

Religious liberty is one of the principles that came out of Vatican II. It had been condemned multiple times prior to the council taking shape.

According to Vatican II’s declaration on religious liberty: “This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.

The council further declares that the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the very dignity of the human person as this dignity is known through the revealed word of God and by reason itself. This right of the human person to religious freedom is to be recognized in the constitutional law whereby society is governed and thus it is to become a civil right.

It is in accordance with their dignity as persons-that is, beings endowed with reason and free will and therefore privileged to bear personal responsibility-that all men should be at once impelled by nature and also bound by a moral obligation to seek the truth, especially religious truth. They are also bound to adhere to the truth, once it is known, and to order their whole lives in accord with the demands of truth. However, men cannot discharge these obligations in a manner in keeping with their own nature unless they enjoy immunity from external coercion as well as psychological freedom. Therefore the right to religious freedom has its foundation not in the subjective disposition of the person, but in his very nature. In consequence, the right to this immunity continues to exist even in those who do not live up to their obligation of seeking the truth and adhering to it and the exercise of this right is not to be impeded, provided that just public order be observed.” (‘Dignitatis Humanae’, para. #2).

Roncalli (aka John XXIII) stated in ‘Pacem in Terris’ the following: “Also among man’s rights is that of being able to worship God in accordance with the right dictates of his own conscience, and to profess his religion both in private and in public. (para. #14).

This needs to be compared to what the previous popes taught on this issue.

 Gregory XVI writing in 1832 had this to say, “This shameful font of indifferentism gives rise to that absurd and erroneous proposition which claims that liberty of conscience must be maintained for everyone. It spreads ruin in sacred and civil affairs, though some repeat over and over again with the greatest impudence that some advantage accrues to religion from it. “But the death of the soul is worse than freedom of error,” as Augustine was wont to say. When all restraints are removed by which men are kept on the narrow path of truth, their nature, which is already inclined to evil, propels them to ruin. Then truly “the bottomless pit” is open from which John saw smoke ascending which obscured the sun, and out of which locusts flew forth to devastate the earth. Thence comes transformation of minds, corruption of youths, contempt of sacred things and holy laws — in other words, a pestilence more deadly to the state than any other. Experience shows, even from earliest times, that cities renowned for wealth, dominion, and glory perished as a result of this single evil, namely immoderate freedom of opinion, license of free speech, and desire for novelty. (‘Mirari Vos’, para. #14) .

Pope Pius IX in ‘Quanta Cura’ said, “For you well know, venerable brethren, that at this time men are found not a few who, applying to civil society the impious and absurd principle of “naturalism,” as they call it, dare to teach that “the best constitution of public society and (also) civil progress altogether require that human society be conducted and governed without regard being had to religion any more than if it did not exist; or, at least, without any distinction being made between the true religion and false ones.” And, against the doctrine of Scripture, of the Church, and of the Holy Fathers, they do not hesitate to assert that “that is the best condition of civil society, in which no duty is recognized, as attached to the civil power, of restraining by enacted penalties, offenders against the Catholic religion, except so far as public peace may require.”

From which totally false idea of social government they do not fear to foster that erroneous opinion, most fatal in its effects on the Catholic Church and the salvation of souls, called by Our Predecessor, Gregory XVI, an “insanity,” that “liberty of conscience and worship is each man’s personal right, which ought to be legally proclaimed and asserted in every rightly constituted society; and that a right resides in the citizens to an absolute liberty, which should be restrained by no authority whether ecclesiastical or civil, whereby they may be able openly and publicly to manifest and declare any of their ideas whatever, either by word of mouth, by the press, or in any other way.” But, while they rashly affirm this, they do not think and consider that they are preaching “liberty of perdition;” and that “if human arguments are always allowed free room for discussion, there will never be wanting men who will dare to resist truth, and to trust in the flowing speech of human wisdom; whereas we know, from the very teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, how carefully Christian faith and wisdom should avoid this most injurious babbling.” (‘Quanta Cura’, para. #3).

Pope Pius IX rightly condemned this error in several parts of his famous ‘The Syllabus of Errors.’ (Dec. 8, 1864) These include:

#15:  Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. — Allocution ‘Maxima Quidem,’ June 9, 1862; Damnatio ‘Multiplices inter,’ June 10, 1851.

#55: The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church. — Allocution ‘Acerbissimum,’ Sept. 27, 1852.

#77: In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship. — Allocution ‘Nemo Vestrum,’ July 26, 1855.

#79: Moreover, it is false that the civil liberty of every form of worship, and the full power, given to all, of overtly and publicly manifesting any opinions whatsoever and thoughts, conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people, and to propagate the pest of indifferentism. — Allocution ‘Nunquam Fore,’ Dec. 15, 1856.

Pope Leo XIII said in ‘Libertas’ in 1888 the following:

“Civil society must acknowledge God as its Founder and Parent, and must obey and reverence His power and authority. Justice therefore forbids, and reason itself forbids, the State to be godless; or to adopt a line of action which would end in godlessness – namely, to treat the various religions (as they call them) alike, and to bestow upon them promiscuously equal rights and privileges.” (para. #21).

Pope Leo XIII in ‘Immortale Dei’ in 1885 said the following:

The authority of God is passed over in silence, just as if there were no God; or as if He cared nothing for human society; or as if men, whether in their individual capacity or bound together in social relations, owed nothing to God; or as if there could be a government of which the whole origin and power and authority did not reside in God Himself. Thus, as is evident, a State becomes nothing but a multitude which is its own master and ruler. And since the people is declared to contain within itself the spring-head of all rights and of all power, it follows that the State does not consider itself bound by any kind of duty toward God. Moreover, it believes that it is not obliged to make public profession of any religion; or to inquire which of the very many religions is the only one true; or to prefer one religion to all the rest; or to show to any form of religion special favour; but, on the contrary, is bound to grant equal rights to every creed, so that public order may not be disturbed by any particular form of religious belief.” (para. #25).

The separation of church and state is what has necessarily followed from this most grievous error.

Pope St. Pius X in ‘Vehementer Nos’ wrote the following in 1906:

“That the State must be separated from the Church is a thesis absolutely false, a most pernicious error. Based, as it is, on the principle that the State must not recognize any religious cult, it is in the first place guilty of a great injustice to God; for the Creator of man is also the Founder of human societies, and preserves their existence as He preserves our own. We owe Him, therefore, not only a private cult, but a public and social worship to honor Him. Besides, this thesis is an obvious negation of the supernatural order. It limits the action of the State to the pursuit of public prosperity during this life only, which is but the proximate object of political societies; and it occupies itself in no fashion (on the plea that this is foreign to it) with their ultimate object which is man's eternal happiness after this short life shall have run its course. But as the present order of things is temporary and subordinated to the conquest of man's supreme and absolute welfare, it follows that the civil power must not only place no obstacle in the way of this conquest, but must aid us in effecting it.” (para. #3).

What has transpired in the last several decades with Roncalli, Montini, Luciani, Wotyla, Ratzinger, Bergoglio, and Prevost is that they have prayed numerous times with members of false religions. This stems from their rejection of what the pre-conciliar popes clearly taught when it came to religious liberty. The State must be Catholic. If it is not, then man has a right to worship in any religion that he pleases and no religion is any more true than another. Catholicism is then on an equal playing field with Eastern Orthodoxy, Protestantism (regardless of the sect), Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism, Shinto, Taoism, Voodoo, and even Satanism. Atheism also has just as much of a right as Catholicism, if not more so, because no religion must be “forced upon society” as the true religion. This freemasonic principle has pervaded society, particularly the West, with disastrous effects!

The Social Kingship of Christ is a kingship that must reign over all of society. Man is to worship God in the way that He sees fit, not us. If mankind does this and the State mirrors the Catholic Church in its temporal laws, then society can experience a peace on Earth that, while not perfect in this fallen world, would nevertheless make this world a far better and peaceful place.

As Pope Pius XI said in ‘Quas Primas’ in 1925 on The Social Kingship of Christ:

“When once men recognize, both in private and in public life, that Christ is King, society will at last receive the great blessings of real liberty, well-ordered discipline, peace and harmony.” (para. #19). 

Let’s compare this with some quotes from the Vatican II “popes”:

Paul VI, Address, July 9, 1969: “She [the Church] has also affirmed, during Her long history, at the cost of oppression and persecution, freedom for everyone to profess his own religion. No one, She says, is to be restrained from acting, no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs… As we said, the Council demanded a true and public religious freedom…”

Paul VI, Letter, July 25, 1975: “…the Holy See rejoices to see specifically emphasized the right of religious liberty.”

John Paul II, L'Osservatore Romano, 09/01/1980: “Liberty of conscience is a right of man.” 

John Paul II, ‘Path to Peace: A Contribution’, 09/01/1980: “All men have a human dignity of equal rights.” 

Ratzinger, prior to becoming “Benedict XVI” called ‘Gaudium et Spes’ a “counter syllabus”, in opposition to the Syllabus of Pius IX and the Syllabus of St. Pius X. (Principles of Catholic Theology, 1987, pgs. 381-382). As Benedict, he would pray with false religions all the time, just as his post-conciliar predecessors did.

Bergoglio as “Francis” followed his V2 predecessors. He loved religious liberty! His constant barrage against traditional Catholics and his praise of religious freedom made it very clear that he was heavily on board with this freemasonic principle. His famous quotes, “I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God…” and “Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense,” tell us all we need to know about the man.

What we have seen is one pope after another prior to Vatican II condemning religious liberty, the very principle that every pseudo “pope” from Roncalli onwards has embraced time after time. Cleary, we are talking about two different religions here.

Ecumenism

Ecumenism is another false doctrine that was championed at Vatican II.

One of the defining marks of the Catholic Church is its unity. It cannot be divided. Since the 1500’s for example, we have seen tens of thousands of Protestant sects that have split from the Catholic Church, and then each other. The post-conciliar “popes” tell us that we have to pray for unity with these “separated brethren”. No! The Catholic Church already possesses unity. It is not united until the separated brethren “come back into the fold,” as if it is missing something that it has to find. The Catholic Church is a perfect society as Pope Pius XII taught. The V2 “popes” reject the unity of the church and “sought after it” by constantly praying with false religions as if they were detectives in search of the Truth. The Catholic Church possesses the Truth already, and can never lose it. There is no future point of convergence that needs to be sought, for it already has ALL THAT IT NEEDS (emphasis added). The V2 “popes” desire a universal syncretism of all the religions of the world, into a future One World Religion, the very thing Pope St. Pius X warned about in ‘Notre Charge Apostolique.’

Consider the following quotes:

Pope Pius IX in 1868: “None [of the false sects], not even taken as a whole, constitutes in any way and are not that one, Catholic Church founded and made by Our Lord and which He wished to create. Further, one cannot say in any way that these societies are either members or parts of that same Church, because they are visibly separated from Catholic Unity.” (‘Iam Vos Omnes,’ para. #3). 

Pope Leo XIII in 1896: “Jesus Christ did not, in point of fact, institute a Church to embrace several communities similar in nature, but in themselves distinct, and lacking those bonds which render the Church unique and indivisible after that manner in which in the symbol of our faith we profess: ‘I believe in one Church.’” (‘Satis Cognitum’, para. #4). 

Pope Pius XI in 1928: “For since the mystical body of Christ, in the same manner as His physical body, is one, compacted and fitly joined together, it were foolish and out of place to say that the mystical body is made up of members which are disunited and scattered abroad: whosoever therefore is not united with the body is no member of it, neither is he in communion with Christ its head.” (‘Mortalium Animos’, para #10).

Pope Pius XII: “Also they must restrain that dangerous manner of speaking which generates false opinions and fallacious hopes incapable of realization; for example, to the effect that the teachings of the Encyclicals of the Roman Pontiffs on the return of dissidents to the Church, on the constitution of the Church, on the Mystical Body of Christ, should not be given too much importance seeing that they are not all matters of faith, or, what is worse, that in matters of dogma even the Catholic Church has not yet attained the fullness of Christ, but can still be perfected by other religions.” (Instruction "On the Ecumenical Movement" by the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, December 20, 1949). 

Compare these quotes to what the Vatican II “popes” had to say about (false) ecumenism.

Paul VI, General Audience, Nov. 8, 1972: “Ecumenism began in this way; as respect for non-Christian religions…”

Paul VI, Apostolic Exhortation, Dec. 8, 1975: “The Church respects and esteems these non-Christian religions…”

Paul VI, Speech, Sept. 9, 1972: “We would also like you to know that the Church recognizes the riches of the Islamic faith – a faith that binds us to the one God.”

Paul VI, Address, Sept. 18, 1969: “…Moslems… along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”

Paul VI, Address, Dec. 14, 1976: “…very dear Brothers, sent by the venerable Church of Constantinople… we carried out the solemn and sacred ecclesial act of lifting the ancient anathemas, an act with which we wished to remove the memory of these events forever from the memory and the heart of the Church…”

Paul VI, Angelus Address, Jan. 17, 1971: “From polemical opposition among the various Christian denominations we have passed to mutual respect…”

John Paul II spoke about how The Catholic Church lacks unity. He said we need to pray with false religions for unity and that saints come from all religions (‘Ut Unum Sint’). Paragraphs #’s 7-10 in this document are especially telling as he quotes ‘Unitatis Redintegratio,' ‘Lumen Gentium,' and ‘Dignitatis Humanae," all Vatican II documents that heavily expound on this error.

Many other examples could be mentioned included Roncalli inviting the Orthodox at Vatican II, Montini allowing six Protestant ministers to have a huge role in the creation of the Novus Ordo Missae, Francis praying with all different religions, as his V2 predecessors all did, etc. The list of examples goes on and on.  

What we have seen is one pope after another prior to Vatican II condemning ecumenism, the very principle that every pseudo “pope” from Roncalli onwards has embraced time after time. Cleary, we are talking about two different religions here.

                             Collegiality

   ‘Lumen Gentium’, Vatican II's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church reads the following in para. #22:

“The order of bishops, which succeeds to the college of apostles and gives this apostolic body continued existence, is also the subject of supreme and full power over the universal Church, provided we understand this body together with its head the Roman Pontiff and never without this head. This power can be exercised only with the consent of the Roman Pontiff. For our Lord placed Simon alone as the rock and the bearer of the keys of the Church, and made him shepherd of the whole flock; it is evident, however, that the power of binding and loosing, which was given to Peter, was granted also to the college of apostles, joining with their head.”

The 1983 Code of Canon Law reiterates this in Canon 336:

“The college of bishops, whose head is the Supreme Pontiff and whose members are bishops by virtue of sacramental consecration and hierarchical communion with the head and members of the college and in which the apostolic body continues, together with its head and never without this head, is also the subject of supreme and full power over the universal Church.”

This “synodal church” that Paul VI ushered in to democratize the Catholic Church has continued right through Leo XIV with its many synods of “bishops” and “cardinals” trying (through endless dialogue) to determine what “the real meaning of Vatican II was” and how to implement it. Over 60 years later with 7 heretical “pontiffs”, and none of them could ascertain what Vatican II really meant. Never did the church fathers at Nicaea I, or Florence, or Trent, or any of the other ecumenical councils of the church have to “determine what the council really meant.” No, it is just Vatican II that remains a mystery to this very day. Interesting!

Compare the post-conciliar teaching of collegiality with the true teaching of the church:

The pope alone possesses supreme authority in the Church. From the Vatican Council of 1870:

“Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord Himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema.

So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema.”

All of the V2 “popes” have taught collegiality as the true Catholic position. This was part of the freemasonic plot to weaken the papacy, as outlined in The Alta Vendita. Eventually, the church would be filled with heretics who would appear to have authority in the church, when in actuality, they would not be clerics anymore. Sound familiar? Their plot would be to eventually have a “pope” of their own on the papal throne. Well so far, they have had 7 now. By pushing collegiality, they wanted to destroy the papacy and what better way than saying that the pope needs to be in agreement with all of the bishops around the world. It removes the power of the papacy.

Just like religious liberty and ecumenism, the amount of quotes by the pre-conciliar popes and the post-conciliar “popes” on collegiality could be cited here, but honestly, what is the point??? It is already clear that we are dealing with a false religion here.

                                         Conclusion                                                          

           So what is one to do? This is a difficult question because any mention by anyone saying that Vatican II was heretical and the last 7 “popes” were invalid is immediately going to raise eyebrows and make one scoffed at (if not worse).

         We must make use of the power that has been given to us by Heaven to win souls over to Christ. Prayer, fasting, and almsgiving are very powerful. We need to make use of these things. Those of us who have a traditional church near us need to make use of the sacraments frequently. The rosary is a very important prayer. Devotion to The Sacred Heart of Jesus and The Immaculate Heart of Mary are very helpful. Devotion to St. Joseph is very powerful. Invoking the angels and saints, especially St. Michael the Archangel and ones patron saint is very helpful, not to mention our own individual guardian angels. Sacramentals such as the brown scapular and the St. Benedict medal are useful too.

            All we can do is our individual parts. The Catholic faith must be embraced in its entirety and this means rejecting the false Vatican II sect which was spawned by the powers of hell. As Pope Benedict XV said in ‘Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum,' “Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected...” (para. #24).

           The Vatican II sect members firmly believe that they are in the Catholic Church. We should be reminded of what Pope Pius XII stated on church membership: “Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed.” (‘Mystici Corporis Christi’, para. #22). The V2 sect members do not profess the true faith (in most cases, through no fault of their own). 

        Still, we must do our best to show them the “errors of their ways.” Many will not change, but we must do our best to convert those to the True Faith while there is still time. We should also not get discouraged if we do not see the results that we wish for. God asks us to be faithful and to try our best. Many times, the results will not be what we hoped for, but as long as we remain faithful to Him, persevere in the One True Faith, and do our best to bring others into His Holy Catholic Church, then we have done all we can do and we leave the rest to Him. “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” (Mark 10:27).