Monday, August 19, 2019

Hell Under Fire


Jorge Bergoglio and his Vatican II sect are universalists (i.e., people who believe everyone goes to Heaven). Under the new and heretical ecclesiology they espouse, everyone is in "partial communion" with the Church. As "St." John Paul the Great Apostate taught (echoing the decree of Vatican II Gaudium et Spes; "on the Church in the Modern World"): Christ the Lord indicated this way especially, when, as the Council teaches, "by his Incarnation, he, the Son of God, in a certain way united himself with each man" (Redemptor Hominis para. #13; Emphasis in original). If Christ is somehow "united" with each human being, how is it possible for anyone to go to Hell? Answer: they can't. This explains Begoglio's statement that atheists can go to Heaven.

It is also apparent from Vatican II sect worship that universalism is accepted. The former Requiem Mass is called the "Mass (sic) of Christian Burial." Black has been removed as a liturgical color and replaced with white because they no longer need to mourn for the dead or pray for the repose of anyone's soul. Any person unfortunate enough to have attended a Vatican II sect funeral knows it sounds like a canonization. Phrases like "we know that s/he is looking down upon us from Heaven" are not uncommon at the "homilies" of such services.The crosses are not crucifixes in many cases, but have the Resurrected Christ in place of the suffering Corpus.  I am reminded of the teaching of Pope Pius XII on the liturgy; so on target that it seems he had a glimpse of what was coming:

Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive table-form; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings; and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music or singing in parts, even where it conforms to regulations issued by the Holy See. (See Mediator Dei, para. #62; Emphasis mine).

With the scandals among their clergy, only someone who has no fear of God and His just punishments could perpetrate such crimes against children. It has been said, "Only the virtuous believe in Hell." This heretical idea of "Heaven for all" has found its way into the mind of the general public. According to a 2016 poll:

Two-thirds of Americans (64 percent) say God accepts the worship of all religions, including Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Twenty-four percent disagree. Twelve percent are not sure. Americans of all ages hold this belief, from those 18 to 34 years old (62 percent) to those 50 and older (67 percent).Only 30 percent of Americans who don’t have evangelical Protestant beliefs say Hell is a place of eternal judgment. (See https://factsandtrends.net/2016/09/27/what-do-americans-believe-about-god-new-study-explores-our-theology/).

A 2005 study reported, "Vast majorities of Americans believe in heaven and think they’re headed there.… Eighty-nine percent in this ABC News poll believe in heaven, which is consistent with data going back 30 years. Among believers, 85 percent think they’ll personally go there. Among all Americans, 75 percent think they’ll go to heaven. The rest include 5 percent who believe in heaven but don’t think they’ll get there; 9 percent who believe but aren’t sure they’ll get in; and 10 percent who don’t believe in heaven." (See https://abcnews.go.com/US/Beliefs/story?id=1422658).

This post will set forth the teaching of the One True Church on Hell, and common objections to the dogma will be answered.

The Church's Teaching On Hell

  • The souls of those with the use of reason, and who die without sanctifying grace due to mortal sin, enter Hell.
According to theologian Ott, "Hell is a place or state of eternal punishment inhabited by those rejected by God." (See Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, [1955], pg. 479). The Apostolic Constitution Benedictus Deus infallibly defined, "According to God's general ordinance, the souls of those who die in a personal grievous sin descend immediately into Hell, where they will be tormented by the pains of Hell." It must be noted that no one goes to Hell except by the wrong use of their free will. God gives to every human sufficient grace to be saved. God does not permit anyone to be lost for want of grace, including even pagans. (See theologian Pohle Dogmatic Theology, [1917], 7:180). Therefore, it is a truth that the damned have been rejected by God because they freely rejected Him and did not cooperate with His actual graces. To be saved one must (a) be within the One True Church, and (b) be in the state of sanctifying grace. If either requirement is not fulfilled at the moment of death, Hell will be the fate of that soul.

The reality of Hell is taught explicitly by both the Holy Bible and Sacred Tradition. Our Lord spoke more about Hell than He did about Heaven. He warned all of this terrible reality. Here are but four examples taken from the Most Holy Gospel according to St. Matthew:

St. Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of Hell.

St. Matthew 5:29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into Hell.

St. Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in Hell.

St. Matthew 11:23 And you, Capernaum! You won’t be lifted up to heaven, will you? You’ll go down to Hell! Because if the miracles that happened in you had taken place in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.

  • The punishment of Hell lasts for all eternity.
The Fourth Lateran Council decreed, "Those [damned] will receive a perpetual punishment with the devil." The punishment of Hell consists of the pain of loss (poena damni) and the pain of sense (poena sensus). The poena damni is the essence of punishment; eternal deprivation of the Beatific Vision of God which is the intended Last End for all humans. "But he answering said: Amen I say to thee, I know thee not." (St. Matthew 25:12).  The poena sensus is a positive pain of sense inflicted on the damned. The fire of Hell was considered by individual Fathers, such as St. Gregory of Nyssa, to be symbolic and metaphorical for purely spiritual pains, such as the pain of the conscience which realizes the loss of Heaven is by the abuse of free will and the rejection of God's grace which could have saved that person.  This opinion has never been formally condemned or censured by the Church.

However, the majority of Fathers, and the majority of theologians after the Council of Trent, teach that the fire is real and material. The Angelic Doctor, St. Thomas Aquinas, explains that the fire of Hell binds the souls to a material fire, which acts as an instrument of Divine penal justice. Through it the damned souls are made subject to matter and hindered in their free movement. (See Ott, supra, pgs. 480-481).


  • The punishment of Hell is proportionate to the guilt of each individual. 
This is the common teaching of the theologians. Just as the glory of the just shall be proportionate to their merits (the Blessed Virgin Mary shall have greater glory than any other human being), so too shall the damned suffer in proportion to their evil deeds. Those who have no use of reason and die with only Original Sin, shall suffer poena damni, but shall not have any poena sensus. The doctrine of Limbo states that unbaptized babies (and the unbaptized severely retarded) may also enjoy some natural happiness. As to personal sins, those who die in the state of mortal sin shall suffer according to the number and malice of their offences. Hence, someone who dies in mortal sin from one act of fornication shall suffer less than a mass murderer. (See Ott, pg. 482).

Objections to Hell Answered
1. Why would a merciful God torture people forever? Can't God simply annihilate the soul at death, or make Hell a temporary punishment? Hell makes God an immoral monster.

Answer: First, Hell is eternal because sin, though finite by itself, is primarily committed against an infinite God; the punishment must therefore also be infinite. If you destroyed someone's property valued at $100, he has a strict right in justice to be compensated the full $100. God's 's friendship is infinite in value and the mortal sinner broke that friendship against a Perfect Being. Therefore, the punishment must be equally infinite. Hell is neither more nor less than absolute, perfect justice; it couldn’t be otherwise. "He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He." (Deuteronomy 32:4). 

Second, Hell is eternal because no amount of punishment throughout finite time has any ultimate meaning compared to eternity. Imagine God punishing someone like Joseph Stalin for a billion years and then allowing him entrance into the eternal glory of Heaven for all eternity. That billion years of punishment would have no meaning at all compared to his eternity in Heaven and therefore would amount to no punishment at all. Annihilation is thus unjust as well. Someone can offend an infinite God with a life of debauchery and never have any conscious punishment for what they did. The punishment must fit the crime, and you would consciously offend an infinite God yet cease to exist without having been made aware of the enormity of your crime. 

Third, people themselves become their own punishment. A person will go into the next life as the person they  made themselves in this life. A human being's choice and fate are sealed at death. If someone goes to Judgement as an enemy of God, that individual rejects all that God is; love, goodness, etc. They have embraced hate, evil, and all that is wrong. That's who they will be for all eternity.

Finally, God's love and mercy are two sides of the same coin. God is both infinitely merciful and infinitely just. If God's mercy kept people out of eternal perdition because no one deserves to suffer forever, wouldn't God's infinite justice keep everyone out of the infinite happiness and glory of Heaven, because no one is worthy of that as well? 

2. Since God knows the future, He knew who would go to Hell before He created them. Wouldn't it be more merciful just to create people who will die and go to Heaven, and not create people who will choose to sin and go to Hell? 

Answer: This is a question which has not been definitively answered by the Church. There are certain things in our holy religion called mysteries. The dogma of the Trinity is one such mystery. We know it is true, even though we cannot fully comprehend how there are three Divine Persons that compose the One True God. Sacred Scripture tells us:

"For My thoughts are not thy thoughts, neither are thy ways My ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than thy ways and My thoughts than thy thoughts. (Isaiah 55: 8-9).

"How unsearchable His judgments, and His paths beyond tracing out. Who hath known the mind of the Lord?" (Romans 11:13-14).

Mysteries are above and beyond, but not opposed to, reason. Predestination (in the Catholic sense, not the heretical Calvinist teaching) is a mystery. That being said, remember that God is not absolutely omnipotent, meaning that He cannot act contrary to His own Divine Nature. It is impossible for God to lie, for example, as He is Truth itself.  When God wanted to make a world of rational creatures who would be able to freely accept or reject Him, it is possible that the best way to do so was by permitting those who would willingly choose evil to exist. In so doing, their actions may result in the highest number of saved souls because even evil actions can have good repercussions that only an omniscient Mind could fully comprehend. Also keep in mind that the persons who will be damned are in Hell because of their own misuse of free will, and not due to any action on the part of God.

3. How can anyone be happy in Heaven if they know that their (husband, wife, mother, father, child, sibling, best friend, etc.) is suffering forever in Hell? 

There are three things to be said in response:

  • If you had a child (or parent) who committed murder and was sentenced to death for his/her crime, you wouldn't be happy about their choice to murder, but you would also realize that they were being justly punished. You feel bad because in our current fallen state on Earth, we do not see the things from the perspective of ultimate justice. That perspective (or "God's-eye view" if you will) makes everything different. We will understand things and feel differently about them when we see them from God's point of view.
  • This objection has at the root, the idea that God is somehow unjust unless everyone is happy. "Unless everyone is happy (or most everyone), then I can't be happy." The person who so objects thinks they are more merciful than God, and could "do things better than Him." 
  • Imagine if you were poor and hungry and I offered you a meal and you refused it, would that mean that I shouldn’t eat and be happy? Just because you refused food and died of starvation doesn’t mean that I can’t enjoy a meal. So too, is the relation between the damned and the saved. The objection also gives Satan, his demons, and the damned the ability to take away the happiness of the saints in Heaven. This is impossible because it would make Satan, a mere creature, more powerful than God and able to thwart His Divine Plan for the universe. 

Do More People Go to Hell or to Heaven?
This is another most interesting question on which the Church has never pronounced a binding judgement. In the Summa Theologica, St. Thomas Aquinas states, "Some say that as many men shall be saved as angels fell; some, so many as there were angels left; others, in fine, as many as the number of angels who fell, added to that all the angels created by God. It is, however, better to say that 'God alone knows the number for whom is reserved eternal happiness,' as the prayer for the living and the dead expresses it." (See Ia, qu. 23, art. 7). 

Some theologians think the number of the elect to be so small, it would drive a saint to despair. Aquinas held that relatively few are saved. This is the "rigourist" theory, and it has many weighty arguments in its favor. Redemptorist theologian Godts, put out a tome entitled On The Fewness of the Saved. It has been getting renewed attention among Traditionalists as it has been recently republished by Refuge of Sinners Publishing. It is a spirited defense of the rigourist view. Our Lord Himself said, "Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!" (St. Matthew 7:13-14). 

However, theologian Castelein produced many strong arguments against the rigourist view. Traditionalist Catholics are free to take either side of the controversy. The anti-rigorous view has, at the core of its contention, that the number of the elect must be equal to or greater than the number of the damned because it is repugnant to think that the future and final kingdom of Satan (Hell) is more populous than the Kingdom of Christ, whose members were ransomed at the cost of the shedding of His Precious Blood upon the gibbet of the Cross. (See theologian Pohle, Dogmatic Theology, [1917],  7:194-195). 

Conclusion
Hell is a sobering thought. It is real and (God forbid!) we can go there. As St. Paul tells us, "Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as thou hast always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence), with fear and trembling work out thy salvation." (See Philippians 2:12; Emphasis mine). While we know Hell is real and there are damned souls within, we may not say with certainty (without special revelation) that any particular person is damned. No one knows what transpires in those last moments between a soul and God; and God can save anyone who calls upon Him with faith and contrition. We can only say that Judas is in Hell based on the words of Our Lord, "The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born." (St. Mark 14:6). Moreover, the Catechism of the Council of Trent  says that, "It is such as these that our Savior describes as hirelings, who, in the words of Ezechiel, feed themselves and not the sheep, and whose baseness and dishonesty have not only brought great disgrace on the ecclesiastical state, so much so that hardly anything is now more vile and contemptible in the eyes of the faithful, but also end in this, that they derive no other fruit from their priesthood than was derived by Judas from the Apostleship, which only brought him everlasting destruction." (Emphasis mine). 

As to the saved, while we may certainly pray and hope that our deceased loved ones are in Heaven, we cannot be certain that anyone is there besides the Blessed Mother and the canonized saints (since canonizations are infallible). The Vatican II sect wants you to believe that all religions are more or less good (except Traditionalists, of course!), and that everyone is basically good and on the road to salvation. So eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die and go to Heaven! Yes, Hell is under fire on all sides, from the Vatican II sect to our secular society that scoffs at the idea of eternal punishment. Anyone foolish enough to buy into this heresy, might find out about the reality of Hell when they (God forbid) arrive there. May Christ have mercy on us all. 

71 comments:

  1. Excellent post... you skillfully exposed the false teaching of "Everyone is saved" that everyone in what I call christenDUMB (Novus Ordo Churchianity for example) believes.

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    1. Thank you my friend!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. I do have a question though... you said that people who were unbaptized and have no use of reason are die in Original Sin go to Hell (or something like that).

      What do you think about those who are mentally handicapped (no use of reason), baptized and die in sin? Since they never had the mental faculties to accept Christ in the first place, do they go to Hell too? Because me and some of my brothers (who are in christenDUMB) believe they can go to Heaven but I think they go to Hell (or some sort of limbo).

      Thanks in advance.

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    3. @John Ness Moretti,
      They would go to Heaven. The mentally handicapped who don’t have use of reason cannot be guilty of personal sin. If they are baptized—just like infants—they have the infused virtues of faith, hope, and charity as well as sanctifying grace.

      —-Introibo

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    4. Thanks for clarifying Introibo. I stand corrected.

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    5. I'm just curious about the subject because I personally found it hard to believe that a mentally handicapped person can go to Heaven even if they committed some very heinous sins such as murder, sacrilege or the like.

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  2. The one of Bergoglio's many heretical teachings - which raised Judas from reprobate in Hell to sympathetic victim, despite the very words to the contrary from the lips of Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself - has to be about the biggest "tell" that his is a false and evil pontificate.
    Then when a German parish afterward upped the ante by actually assigning Judas a "feast day", that should have put on a blazing light in the minds of all Novus Ordites as to what kind of sect they are members of.
    I can't possibly imagine how much more hide bound in Apostasy their headquarters in Rome has to get to make everyone flee. I suppose many NO's stay on board by parish hopping/shopping to more "traditional" communities. It's just a delusion: if there is a pretty candy coating on poison, how bad can it be, since it actually looks and tastes good? I feel sorry for them.
    May Jesus grant us perseverance as we wait patiently in Faith for these traitors and deceivers to be taken out.
    Thank you, Intro

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    1. @Janine,
      A very incisive comment as usual! Thank you for the kind words!

      Judas is the patron “saint” of Bergoglio!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  3. "we may not say with certainty (without special revelation) that any particular person is damned."

    I think we can all agree with the Catechism of of the Council Trent which states:

    "It is such as these that our Saviour describes as hirelings, who, in the words of Ezechiel, feed themselves and not the sheep, and whose baseness and dishonesty have not only brought great disgrace on the ecclesiastical state, so much so that hardly
    anything is now more vile and contemptible in the eyes of the faithful, but also end in this, that they derive no other fruit from their priesthood than was derived by Judas from the Apostleship, which only brought him EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION." Found Under Sacrament of Holy Orders-Right intention

    Here is a dreadful but good wake up call for all us. Writing of St. Leonard of Port Maurice http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/fewness.shtml

    Link to a list of popes and saints who speak on the fewness of the saved.
    https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/the-fewness-of-the-saved-most-christians-go-to-hell/

    Lee

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    1. Lee,
      A wake up call indeed!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. I am with St. Leonardo and the other rigorists, for the claim that the Kingdom of Satan would be greater is not by its own power but by free will. And we remember that this is not particularly a Kingdom, but a great abomination, where each one hates each other and will burn for ever and ever.

      Jose Ribeiro Junior

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  4. Bergoglio and the Vatican II Sect go from bad to worse. Years ago, I remember that most Novus Ordoites always we're spouting about everyone going to Purgatory. All you had to do is be a believer. James 2:19: "Thou belivest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils believe and tremble". Now one doesn't even need to be a believer as atheists and non-believers go to heaven as well. When one thinks the Vatican II Sect can't get much worse, it does. I shutter to think what kind of next "Pope" will be elected. More than likely a full blown sodomite/pedophile who will be promoting sodomite marriages and that it is ok to have sex with children. I do personally believe we are in the end of the end times.

    JoAnn

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    1. Joann,
      You may well be right about the end times.
      God help us all.

      —-Introibo

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  5. From what I understand, it would be a rarity that this age could produce a Saint (feel free to disagree). Because of the proliferation of sin, we are all indoctrinated in a constant battle to remain in a state of grace.
    I think the best a sedevacantist can hope for is to make it to Purgatory.
    And although it is the very same thing as Hell, in regards to the temporary torment, those who make it there have the promise to eventually enter the gates of Heaven. Poor sinners can choose to act immediately to put forth all their efforts in shortening the duration of the pains of Purgatory.
    I think this subject would merit a very interesting article, especially to see comments on what readers think the specific ideas they enact to minimize this purification.

    Fr. Paul O'Sullivan wrote a 28 page booket, How To Avoid Purgatory in 1936:
    https://archive.org/details/howtoavoidpurgat00osul_1/page/8
    I see no imprimatur, so I was wondering what you though about that.

    The 10 things he suggests are:

    1. Implore God for a holy, happy, death and no Purgatory
    2. Fervantly emphazise 'Thy will be done' in each Our Father
    3. Patiently bear all sufferings in this life in penance for your sins
    4. Gain merit by imitating and uniting our sufferings to the Passion of Christ
    5. Forgive others as much as we desire God to forgive us
    6. Avoid mortal and venial sins and bad habits, esp. sins againts charity and chastity
    7. Acts of kindness, charity, alms, duties, don't complain about your lot or of others
    8. Pray for the Holy Souls constantly
    9. Weekly Confession, daily mass and communion
    10. Visit the Blessed Sacrament, console Jesus and implore Gods mercy

    I don't know how much Church teaching aligns with this. But if this is all that it takes, then perhaps I'm wrong, and going directly to Heaven is still a possibility.

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    1. Anthony,
      You make an interesting point. In this age of the Great Apostasy things are much different. By “saint,” I’m assuming by the context that you mean a soul that goes directly to Heaven as opposed to going indirectly after Purgatory. Both are equally saints, but you mean a soul of great sanctity; a St Francis of Assisi perhaps?

      A few observations:
      1. There can be no canonized saints without a pope. It is my personal opinion that we would have a couple of saints truly canonized if we did, such as Fr Kolbe and Fr Damien. Yet they lived and died before V2.

      2. I doubt we will see saints like in the days before the Great Apostasy. We have had the means of grace stripped from us (Mass and Sacraments very hard to come by) while evil is rampant. I remember driving to Mass in the 1990s and getting angry. I would drive for about an hour to get to Fr DePauw’s Chapel while passing no less than 24 formerly Catholic Churches; 2 of them in walking distance from my home.

      On what I called a “lucky month” I got to attend Mass 7 times—5 Sundays, plus First Friday and First Saturday. Fr. O’Sullivan’ s suggestion of Daily Mass is unavailable to 99% of Traditionalists. Sanctification seems so difficult. On the other hand...

      3. Fr DePauw pointed out that Vatican II happened because of the ignorance and apathy of most Catholics prior to V2. The 1950s saw “country club Catholicism” where the laity (and many clergy/religious) took the Faith for granted. Traditionalists living in the Great Apostasy don’t. The sacrifices we have to make to get to Church and to know/practice the Faith are Extraordinary; especially in such evil times. My blog would be nonexistent if the Church was not “driven underground,” so to speak—and my time and energy would be spent with my family and friends. There are people making far greater sacrifices on a daily basis.

      What Fr O’Sullivan wrote (I have a copy of all his books in my library) is very orthodox. Practice it as much as you can. I like to think, with Fr DePauw, that this sad age is also one of gaining great merit. We don’t take our Faith for granted. As Father once remarked, “When Christ returns to judge the living and the dead, I can’t help thinking that not only will He recognize us as the last Catholics, but yes—-we were the best ones too!”

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. Regarding your reply Introibo, these are most certainly trying times indeed, and yet, despite these difficulties, I firmly adhere to the teaching (as also described in this post) that God provides the sufficient graces for each one of us. For me, this blog has been an excellent instrument of proper instruction in many elements of Catholicism, and I just wanted to take this time to thank you for the work you do.

      I know lots of us can take these sorts of things for granted, and while I may not always agree on 100% of the minutia, I hope and pray God may continue to work through you and the many other great traditionalist sources out there to save as many souls as possible.

      Christ the King, pray for us.

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    3. @neyoriquans,
      Thank you for the kind response my friend! Comments like yours keep me writing.

      —-Introibo

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  6. Thank you. Your reply was very encouraging.
    By "saint", I meant basically, someone who achieved salvation, which is only determined upon our particular judgement. And yes, someone who achieved Purgatory is saved. I wonder, what do you say comprises a 'living saint'? Did St. Francis know for sure, or anybody who knew him, that he was a living saint?
    Baptism, profession of the Catholic Faith, absolution of all mortal sin, and obedience to Christ's command of charity.. Would these some up what is required to be a living saint and enter Purgatory (assuming one perseveres to the end of life)?
    I totally agree with you about the canonizations and the extraordinary merit available to our age.
    I have stopped praying for a true pope. I will never have a true pope in my life time. This apostacy has advanced far beyond that possiblilty. The one world religion and AntiChrist is fast approaching.
    Poor sinners without valid priests, valid sacraments, and a true mass ought to do their utmost best to practice perfect contrition, frequent spiritul communions and consider the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary a true lifeline to sanctity. They ought to save and make plans to travel and make pilgramages to God's house as a top priorty in their lives.
    I think we should also start talking about modern martyrdom. This mounting threat of demonic genocide could basically happen overnight given the boiling point of current worldly affairs.
    I agree with Fr. DePauw. We will be the last but the best Catholics with the early Christian brethren martyrs who showed us how to be living saints.

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  7. Many spend their time avoiding the subject of eternal damnation. We should affirm to God everyday that we dread the loss of Heaven and the pains of Hell. It would be well for us to meditate on the Last Four Things.
    These thoughts occurred to me upon visiting family members at the Catholic cemetery. Unfortunately it remains a mystery whether or not I should realistically continue to implore God's mercy for these sincere souls, not knowing how culpable they were by dying in the Novus Ordo religion.
    They were cradle Catholics, practiced their faith pre-vatican II, married other Catholics, raised their children Catholics and when the council bomb dropped on the Church, obediently went along with the diabolical changes. They never heard of sedevacantism. Of course, most of their relatives who were also brain washed in the Novus Ordo, celebrated their eternal salvation.
    I'm left wondering if they even made it to Purgatory. It would be useless to pray for lost souls.
    Yet I pray for their release from Purgatory. And it remains a mystery.
    We don't know the depths of God's mercy. God can choose to make any thing happen that pleases Him. But since He is all just, it would lead us to believe that no matter how sincere a soul might have lived, even that one act of unrepented disobedience would merit their eternal separation from God.

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    1. Anthony,
      Remember that no prayers for the departed are ever “wasted.” It is common teaching of the theologians that a soul in Heaven can direct prayers to another soul in Purgatory, and if (God forbid) the person is damned, God will assign those prayers to another soul.

      —-Introibo

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  8. Hey Introibo,

    I need some help. I've been looking for truth for over a year now, and it's been very productive: I went from atheism, to "Buddhism," to Christianity very quickly. I became a Catholic (Novus Ordo) and stayed like that for a year, but started doubting severely when I encountered the Dimonds and Eastern Orthodoxy. Now, however, I'm completely torn about where to go, and I've felt severely depressed and stressed because of it. Reading deeper into polemics has only made things worse. I read sedevacantist, Novus Ordo, and Orthodox sources to find the truth, but I jist get more and more confused and upset. I may or may not have had a literal miracle occur on my Father in a Novus Ordo chapel this week, and I have had brief periods of serene spiritual peace during my vacation to the Vatican, especially when praying in its beautiful chapels. I have asked people far and wide for help, and I've left dissatisfied wherever I go. I'm also afraid to go to Church anywhere, be it Novus Ordo or the una cum Latin Mass center near me, in the fear that I will go to Hell. There are more details that I can give if needed, but what would you say I should do?

    You seem intelligent and kind, hence why I've come here. Thank you and God bless.

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    1. @anon8:59
      If you would send me your email address via the comments, I promise not to publish it. I will send you an email from an account that protects my identity; the subject line will read “Hello from Introibo.” You can give me all the details privately and I will give you the best advice I have.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  9. I finally looked up the name of your blog.
    Introibo Ad Altare Dei means Go To The Altar Of God.
    Love it!
    Can you somehow give us the correct pronunciation?
    You have a wonderful blog and ministry.
    I especially respect how you respond to comments on your articles.
    I'm fairly new here but it seems to me, that unlike some other bloggers, who just continually drop articles, abandon them, and rush to move on, that you put a lot of effort into each article of the last 9-10 yrs and care enough to even reply to a readers comment of any article in the distant past. That's genuine dedication and kindness.
    Do you follow any other Catholic blogs?
    I see you have quite a few followers that follow Novus Ordo blogs.
    In a nutshell, what do you suppose are the top reasons they hold back from converting?

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    1. Anthony,
      Thank you for the kind words. I’m a NYC attorney with a family and other responsibilities. My wife is a saint for giving me time away to write this blog. As my time is very limited, I research and write one post published every Monday.I write on a variety of topics that will help others, like myself, trying to make their own Catholic way through this time of the Great Apostasy. I make not one dime from this blog; I feel called to do it by God, as I was blessed to have been converted at age 16 in 1981 by Fr Gommar DePauw. He founded the Catholic Traditionalist Movement In 1964, and was an approved pre-V2 canonist who taught me the Faith.

      The name of my blog comes from the first words spoken by the priest at every True Mass; “I will go unto the altar of God. The True Mass is the great fountain of Grace which we need in these times. It is pronounced phonetically as “IN TRO E BO/ AD/ AL TAR A / DAY E.

      There are only three blogs I follow and strongly recommend without hesitation:

      1. Novus Ordo Watch

      2. Steven Speray’s Catholicism In A Nutshell

      3. DailyCatholic.org

      The number one reason members of the V2 sect don’t convert, is the idea that we “must” have a pope at all times or the Church has defected.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  10. It's not what we feel but what we do.
    We will see what Introibo can do for you. He (or she?) may or may not have the time to follow up on your quest.
    I'm interested and I can devote some time and try to offer you suggestions that may help.
    But you will have to let me know. It may require devulging your name and number.
    It's too difficult to communicate through a blog.
    Nobody knows all the answers. But we could use all the support we can get.
    To start, I will refer to your post in todays Rosary intentions.

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    1. Anthony,

      Thank you for the kind comment. It makes me want to cry tears of joy, given how harsh and aggressive most traditionalist Christians (including, but not limited to, Sedes) can be.

      I will take all of the advice I can get. I want to find the truth!

      But, I also want to unpack the miracle(?) I saw.

      My family is in Rome right now. When we went to our first Catholic (NO) chapel, my extremely atheistic father prayed for the first time in years, as far as I know. He has severe arthritis and feared he would collapse sometime on our trip. However, the prayer was completely successful, and the terrible leg pain he had experienced for months has been gone ever since, despite us walking upwards of 20k steps per day.

      I can think of two natural explainations. It could have been an injection my father received a week before our vacation, to relieve his pain, but the injection didn't work at all the first time he recieved it, and it hadn't been working consistently at all until the prayer. Second, it could be the severe heat in Italy, but I don't see how that alone can heal severe leg pain.

      But, ultimately, I just don't see why God would let that happen, aware of how much I'm seeking truth, and let it mean nothing. I don't pray much (though I spend hours every day looking for the true Church via research), and I struggle with mortal sins, but I feel like this actually was something. Maybe I'm simply incorrect or being decieved.

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      Thank you for praying for others, and I am a male lawyer in my 50s living with my family in NYC. Definitely “HE”!

      —-Introibo

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  11. Excuse my momentary grumpiness, but something I've been needing to express..
    I think a large part of Novus Ordo denial is they falsely believe that they are the 'Church'.
    The Church cannot defect into heresy.
    But the Church is not over there. It's over here!!
    Like the Protestants who insists on a church to cater to their feelings. The Novus Ordo insists on only visual manifestations as proof of the Church. They have buildings that appear to be churches but they are just desecrated museums. They have heretics running around in clerical costumes. They have a stolen identity and blind obedience. They don't know the Faith and are powerless until they convert and receive true grace. They are sitting ducks.
    Only a Catholic can be pope. The Church never stated that there will always be a pope in the office. They have defected. The Church did not and never will.
    Sadly the Novus Ordo, just another false religion, possessed with the spirit of lies, the Gates of Hell have prevailed.
    I don't want any part of it. I don't even like talking about it. It deserves as much of my attention as I would give to Voodoo, Buddism, Protestantism, Islam, Hinduism, Satanism, etc.
    This religion should be consider an enemy of God like the rest of them.
    Some sede's make it their daily mission to criticize the Novus Ordo. It's sickening!
    Their constant battle to change the world detracts from their focus to save their own souls.
    There.. I beg your pardon.

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    1. Anthony,
      No need to apologize. There are members of the Vatican II sect who believe that the Church CAN DEFECT and a heretic CAN be pope!! Stevie Skojec Of The blog “1Peter 5” had an exchange with me about the topic. When I quoted the teachings of the theologians he called it a ridiculous “appeal to authority” and I should “think for myself” (!)

      He believes in a teaching authority ( Magisterium) That can’t teach!

      —-Introibo

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    2. I for one, Anthony, understand completely your sentiments, and for the most part agree. However, I do think it's important to highlight for the potential lost but searching soul the outrageous nature of the Novus Ordo, since, as you yourself have stated, they may very well believe it to be authentic Catholicism.

      Only God can know the absolute good that comes out of these sorts of articles, but I don't doubt there have been plenty of souls brought to light because of articles from NOW and other traditionalist sources highlighting the Novus Ordo absurdities for what they are. I for one can be counted among those numbers.

      I'd say perhaps the best middle ground is to always ensure there's proper focus and teaching of actual Catholicism in these sorts of articles that refer to Novus Bogus events or teachings, but then again, I feel as though that tends to be the case most of the time regardless.

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  12. Dear neyoriquans,

    I agree. N.O. have been fed continuous covert lies. Those lies have to be exposed.
    And they don't know what is true Catholic doctrine. Liberalism is mind control.

    No doubt more good than bad comes out of these articles. The bad being N.O. fears treading anywhere near a sede site because they cannot bear to see the truth.
    Not sure what they need, maybe some sort of sensitive deprogramming.
    The truth for them will be regarded as an insult or threat.

    I know when I just started snooping around the issue, I found I knew nothing about the council. And everything thing that Fr. Cekada kept explaining was so shocking. I just could not find anyone who could refute his evidence. But I still could not wrap my head around the horror of it all. This kind of deception just couldn't be for real. How could God permit this. Oh my! Where are we suppose to go to church? My whole world seemed to be caving into a cloud of doom.
    It took quite a while to sink in and swallow it as reality. But it just blew my mind.
    I needed to become a researcher of history to accept all these dreadful facts and to decipher hidden truths from the massive lies.

    The good that comes out of the articles is that it is a learning experience. These sites do back up everything with doctrine that most N.O. never even knew existed.

    I guess what bugs me about those types of sede sites is the focus only on N.O. and not the many other equally evil religions. Of course it is a worthy and dutiful apostolate but the negativity is just sickening. All these religions are absure and wicked. There's just something about giving undo attention to the works of the devil. We would be wise to recognize what is evil, caution against it and just stay the hell away from it.

    What are they going to do when the AntiChrist takes the seat of Peter, makes everyone slaves, and starts hunting down Christians?
    Are they going to report on his every word, every deed, every tweet.
    Would anyone really be that interested?
    I think they'd be escaping to the nearest sanctuary.

    We need to put on the armour of God. Stand firm and be prepared for death.
    Not wait an search for the next scandal, gossip and debate.

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  13. Dear Introibo (IN TRO E BO),

    Do you have any opinion on the Noahide laws? I cannot find any Traditionalist online responses to this subject. Perhaps because it is just another delusion the infidels like to talk about?
    If it is an imminent possiblility, a Catholic should know exactly how he is to react to such a threat to his life and his family. It is said that traditional Catholic teaching is that they only have the choice to flee. They cannot partake in any revolution against the authority of the government. That is why the Cristero's were discouraged by the pope from opposing the masonic government in Mexico. If the second amendment was abolished so the state could seize the citizens guns there could be a massive revolution in the U.S., which Catholics can take no part in. And if afterwards, the Noahide laws were enforced, Catholics would be rounded up to be executed. It is a mystery to me how even the early martyrs went peacefully to their torture and executed without a fight. Surely they knew they were targeted for death. In those cases, is our moral obligation to forego self-defense since the government has the authority to kill us??

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    1. Anthony,
      On of my regular readers and commenters, Joann, asked about Noahide laws. I need to do a post soon. They are Talmudic and are deceptive on many levels. It is a well established principle that “The State is for the individual, and not the individual for the State. Hence, civil law should not interfere with human liberties, except where it is necessary for the common peace and safety or the lawful opportunity of the people as a whole.” (See McHugh and Callan “Moral Theology” [1929], PhD. 180-193).

      The early Christians hid in the catacombs as they lacked power to overthrow the government. There is no obligation to be martyred by the government, except when asked to violate Divine Law. Hence, St Thomas More did all he could to save his life before accepting martyrdom.

      —-Introibo

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    2. Introibo,

      That is interesting. I'm glad you will write on this topic.

      The theological principle you cited is common sense.
      But common sense went out the window a long time ago.

      So are you saying the Cristo's armed opposition to the masonic Christian slaughter was morally justified?

      If St. Thomas More, who must've known his fate at the guillotine, had taken up arms to defend himself before they dragged him to prison, would he have been morally justified?

      If the early Christians grouped together in the catacombs to plan an attempt to end the satanic ritual murder by an overthrow of the emperor, would they have been morally justified?

      Just asking.. I don't know.

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    3. Justified? Yes. Required? No.

      —-Introibo

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  14. So we have two options, each one, equally acceptable to God?

    Please, if you may, give us an hypothetical example.

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    1. I’ll go one better and give you an historical example; the War Of The Vendee in France in which devout Catholics took up arms against the Masonic French Revolution under the banner of “For Altar and Throne.”

      Could they have hidden and if picked up became martyrs? Yes.

      —-Introibo

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  15. Okay, since the devout Catholics chose not to hide, some of them must've died in the process and/or taken some of the lives of the masons in self-defense.
    How would they have been judged opposed to the captured martyrs?
    Doe God prefer pacifism or resistance?

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    1. There is no preference. It’s what each individual feels called to do.

      —-Introibo

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  16. Introibo,

    That would seem to make sense. But read this. From it, I gather that Catholics are required to conform instead of resist, contrary to what one may think is the right thing to do.

    Coincidentally, after you had mentioned about the Vendee, I rec'd a notification of a new interview available on TrueRestoration.org (membership req'd) where they are doing a 4 part series on the Quas Primas encyclical of Pope Piux XI.

    In the middle of that interview Bp. Sanborn mentions the Vendee in France and Cristero's in Mexico.

    Here's some of the things mentioned:

    - You have to bear up with the government you have. You can't just rebel against legitimate authority.
    - The Church has always been against revolution.
    - Your obedience to authority is your obedience to Christ.
    - Whether your masters are nice or nasty, the same obedience must be given.
    - It transforms your obedience from a natural thing to a supernatural thing.
    - It elevates it and makes it meritorious.
    - It transforms both the individual and society so that the whole thing is subject to Christ.
    - Gregory XVI condemned the Polish insurrection (violent uprising against a government) against the Czar Nicholas I, who was oppressing the Poles. And the Church became the Czar's enemy.
    - The Church does not want to be seen as the enemy of any legitimate state.
    - Never will it become involved in insurrection.
    - The Church detested the French Revolution but did not become involved in it.
    - It was legitmate for the Vendee to restore the King which was more a restoration than a revolution.
    - Pius XI condemned the principle of the revolution but never got involved politically.
    - Pius XI made a concordat (a treaty between the Vatican and a secular government) with Napoleon as with all these countries that were hostile to the Church.
    - The Church just wanted to live in peace with those governments.
    - Under Bismark, in Germany 1870's, the Church just bore up under it and resisted and did not incite an insurrection.
    - Not in England either. There was loyalty to the British Crown. Catholics even served in the British army.
    - Leo XIII had to put down an Irish rebellion in the 1880's.
    - You have to bare up. You can't become radicals.
    - Rome would not support the Cristero's in Mexico. Sometimes Pius XI was criticized for this and most of the Mexican bishops were with him on that. Only 1-2 that were not. And that was a horrible oppressive government.
    - The Church never made any attempt to overthrow the Roman Empire or in any way be disloyal to the Roman Emporer, even though they were feeding them to the lions. And they served in their army. Many martyrs were serving in the army loyal to the Emporer.
    - So it has always been the practice of the Church to bear up under persecution.
    - And now governments have no code of morality, which the Church certainly would have condemned.

    Maybe a lot of this is old hat to you but I'm just now learning more about Church teaching from history.
    I appreciate and truly value your opinions.

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    1. Anthony,
      I think it was correctly stated that the Vendee was a restoration. Aquinas argued that the subjects of a tyranny, acting as a "public authority," might rebel and depose it. Aquinas cautioned that the people should not do this hastily, but only when the damage done by the tyranny exceeds what may occur in a rebellion. This was one of the first justifications for revolution in Western thought.

      In this sense, it is a restoration of right order when a true tyrant must be overthrown for the common good and the welfare of the Church.

      —-Introibo

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  17. Thanks so much for your replies, Introibo.
    I have many more questions but I don't want to derail the topic more than I already have.
    I must go on and read some of your other posts.
    The Synagogue Of Satan article looks interesting.

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  18. "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die and go to Heaven!" Made me laugh aloud!

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    1. Unknown,
      The truth is often funny—if we don’t laugh we will cry!

      —-Introibo

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  19. Does Bergoglio believe everyone goes to Heaven or does he subscribe to the heresy of annihilationism? He made remarks last year in an interview with Eugenio Scalfari in which he seemed to endorse annihilationism.

    https://onepeterfive.com/did-francis-deny-hell-exists-vatican-plays-another-shell-game-with-the-truth/

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/04/de-mattei-pope-francis-and-eternal.html

    (Recognize and Resist sources not endorsed)

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    1. Anon@5:50,
      Make no doubt that Bergoglio is a universalist. He is the true “Child Of Modernism” wrought by Vatican II. He may have made certain comments, but if you look at his teachings in context, he doesn’t subscribe to annihilationism. I know you are not endorsing the sources, but I would be extremely wary of anything put out by Skojec.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. Skojec and the R&Rers didn't make it up. It was reported all over the Novus Ordo and the secular media. The Vatican didn't issue a true denial of what Bergoglio was quoted as saying.

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      Yes, in this case the story was accurate, but I don’t believe Bergoglio is an anihilationist. One thing is certain, universalist or annihilation, he’s not Catholic and he’s no pope!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  20. Hi Introibo, I finally responded to your second comment. I expect a response from you.

    https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-the-salvation-of-all-human-beings-souls-and-angels-an-illogical-position.html

    Introduction: Keep in mind that this person, Introibo Ad Altare Dei, who wrote to me previously and falsely condemned and ridiculed my views and called them “illogical” because I say damnation is evil and wrong (his shameful comment can be found in this article's comment section https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html) is a lawyer by decree. A true and just lawyer is of course meant to fight for justice and defend people against discriminating and wrongful behavior not only in a court of law, but also outside of it.

    Therefore, Introibo knows very well all the laws that he has sworn as a lawyer to uphold in order to defend the innocent and also all the reasons and the logic and justice behind them since they defend people from evil and unjust/excessive punishments and crimes and dictatorial behavior, yet when it comes to defending others from an eternal unjust Hell in the afterlife, whether they be humans, aliens or angels (which is a just lawyers duty to do not only in this life, but also in the next) he does nothing!, even though they (the damned) would always live in eternal torments which is similar or far worse than Hitler's inhuman and unjust concentration camps on earth and that Introibo readily would have condemned and called evil, although God's Hell is infinitely worse then a concentration camp and it can never justly be compared with anything on earth, however evil it is, yet it is not evil enough to be condemned by Introibo even though he would easily have condemned Hitler for doing the same or even less? That reasoning of course is not only illogical and unreasonable, but also evil and wrong and unjust and is not how a real lawyer that is meant to protect people must act. Therefore, you should be ashamed of yourself, Introibo.

    Remember, Introibo claims to be a lawyer and to protect people, and yet despite him being aware of that this injustice of an eternal Hell will occur to the damned (who are our beloved brothers and sisters) and that Hell will murder them there in torments which is worse than any concentration camp or any other torment on earth, and despite him knowing that they must ALWAYS (as in always, always, always for all eternity) stay in this place and never get out and always live there without hope and never feeling love, happiness or forgiveness again for all eternity (which is the most evil thing that has ever happened or been thought of by anyone at anytime, God or man), and in which even 5 year old children have been recorded to be damned for ALL ETERNITY and actually suffering such torments now (if there is a Hell right now, that is) – A CHILD THAT VERY WELL COULD BE YOUR OWN BELOVED AND DEAR CHILD! – Introibo, despite knowing all of this and being fully aware of this and despite claiming to be a lawyer who defends people from injustices, is still claiming TO SEE NO INJUSTICE WITH HELL!; I repeat: is still claiming TO SEE NO INJUSTICE WITH HELL!;with this so obviously, excessive and unjust crime and punishment against love, true justice and humanity; and he even hypocritically defends the culprit who actually have admitted to will this to happen to those whom he deems worthy to be damned! This culprit of course is God. ...

    Read the whole response at:

    https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-the-salvation-of-all-human-beings-souls-and-angels-an-illogical-position.html

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    1. Jerome,
      For one who writes long screeds and calls names (i.e., "retard" and "stupid" you obviously don't have the mental capacity to understand what I wrote above.

      All of your objections are answered. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

      You used to be a rabid Feeneyite and even considered enjoyment of the marital act "mortal sin." Now you are a total apostate.

      1. In your article above you DENY that there is one true Church. Beliefs don't matter, nor do actions.
      Why then did God become Man and die on the cross? What was He saving us from, if not Hell?

      You write: "Hitler's inhuman and unjust concentration camps on earth and that Introibo readily would have condemned and called evil"
      Wait Jerome--YOUR "God" doesn't think Hitler is bad or unjust! He's going to Heaven the same as St Francis of Assisi!!

      2. As a lawyer the PUNISHMENT MUST FIT THE CRIME. As I wrote above, "Hell is eternal because sin, though finite by itself, is primarily committed against an infinite God; the punishment must therefore also be infinite. If you destroyed someone's property valued at $100, he has a strict right in justice to be compensated the full $100. God's 's friendship is infinite in value and the mortal sinner broke that friendship against a Perfect Being. Therefore, the punishment must be equally infinite. Hell is neither more nor less than absolute, perfect justice; it couldn’t be otherwise. "He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He." (Deuteronomy 32:4).

      You see Hell as unjust because your conception of God and Justice/Mercy are both WRONG.

      3. Under your idea of God, DEATH is immoral. Why are we being punished by physical death for someone else's (Adam's) sin? If God brings Hitler into Heaven, why not just forgive all of us and make us immortal without death? How can God let a five year old die, Jerome/ Why not just make us happy without the pains and sufferings of death?

      4. As I wrote above, "people themselves become their own punishment. A person will go into the next life as the person they made themselves in this life. A human being's choice and fate are sealed at death. If someone goes to Judgement as an enemy of God, that individual rejects all that God is; love, goodness, etc. They have embraced hate, evil, and all that is wrong. That's who they will be for all eternity."

      That's why Hell is not unjust. That's why you are an apostate, anti-Christian Universalist.

      The fact that YOU can't comprehend that makes you "reason-challenged," not me. I invite all my readers to read your prolix nonsense.

      You do a much better job than I could in showing why your beliefs are idiotic and contrary to Christ Who was God and clearly taught an eternal Hell.

      Praying for your conversion,

      ---Introibo

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    2. I just wrote a reply to you, here is the link:

      https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html

      This article is in response to a comment made by Introbio, in which he thinks he answered my arguments or questions and made a proper response as to why damnation is just (according to him), and why I will refute him.

      Keep in mind that this persons who refuses to answer questions, is a lawyer by degree and work who is supposed to defend people from injustices (but apparently not from the injustice of Hell!).

      Small excerpt:

      You (Introbio) wrote: “For one who writes long screeds and calls names (i.e., "retard" and "stupid" you obviously don't have the mental capacity to understand what I wrote above.” (Cf. comment section)

      Response: I used those words in context of this (below). If you don't see that this as stupid or retarded, then what will?:

      “Did you know St. Alphonsus wrote about a vision of a 5 year old child that was burning in Hell? According to your idiotic (and unjust) position, you would find a problem with (and even say that God was unjust) if this child was being granted forgiveness and salvation – as you in fact already shamefully, idiotically and tragically expressed to me in your previously retarded comment that I responded too, and that you shamefully ignored and avoided giving a response too (i.e., Introibo wrote in to me in order to say that God would really be unjust if he forgave a damned soul that, according to him, deserves damnation and not forgiveness! Stupid, stupid, stupid...).” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-the-salvation-of-all-human-beings-souls-and-angels-an-illogical-position.html)

      Yes, according to your stupid belief, this child does not deserve forgiveness or responsible parenting in the next life so that he can become good again and converted, but he “deserves” damnation and must always live in a Hell to be tormented forever without ever feeling love, hope, forgiveness or happiness ever again! Do you see now why I called your position retarded, and why you are stupid? That is because you have no sense of justice, and because you are only slaving after a God – and that is all. Instead of wishing and declaring that responsible parenting would be a just judgment for this child in the next life so that we can be friends and love each other instead of hating and tormenting each other, you flat out evilly and heretically declare that he must be damned and burn and be tormented for all eternity in a Hell that is unmerciful and evil.

      What if this child was your own child? Surely, you would not want him to be damned, and you would wish there was hope. Think the same of others children then too, and do not evilly declare that damnation is “good” or “just”, because you would never have made such a judgment if you where God, hence, this position is evil, as you know. Because if you had the power, you would make a different judgment of bad people then eternal damnation. Hence damnation is false, and evil, OTHERWISE, IF IT WAS TRUE, YOU WOULD JUDGE THE SAME AND SEND PEOPLE TO HELL IF YOU WHERE GOD, BUT YOU WOULD NOT. Be honest, ANSWER; you coward! (I already asked you this question, and received no response.

      I also wrote this concerning the article: “In this article, I will try to make you respond [by being severe] and make you understand in a grave and serious way that your position is stupid and illogical.” (Ibid.)

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    3. PART 2

      You wrote: “All of your objections are answered. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.” (Ibid.)

      Response: No, they are not. I have already written two whole articles full of arguments and questions so far just for you, and your articles does not address my questions or arguments at all (otherwise, point out were you go through my writings or comments point by point and answering them as I do with you). Your Hell article may touch some of the topics I discuss, but it was not addressed to me hence it does not actually answer the points I bring up, so how can you say every objection or argument has been answered, when this is clearly not the case, and I can prove to you that you have not answered my questions even in this article, as we will see.

      “You have not address any single argument on point of true justice in your comments or articles except the false argument “that God says so”, or “that it must be so”, or “we must believe so” but this is not justice, as I explained in the article because true justice is not based upon what one man or woman or God says, but rather, it is based on what true justice really is, and God is not just with his Hell, as even you know, since you would not damn anyone if you yourself received the power by God over the damned to do what you want, for then you would forgive them... ANSWER THIS QUESTION NOW YOU COWARD SINCE IT PERTAINS TO JUSTICE AND PROVES THE POINT; THAT JUSTICE IS NOT BASED ON WHAT ONE MAN OR WOMAN SAYS, BUT AGAIN, ON WHAT TRUE JUSTICE REALLY IS, and then explain from your brainwashed Christian perspective “why this would be just” (even though it is not) to damn someone based on justice not seen from a brainwashed Christian's God's perspective WHEN THE SAME CRIME IF IT HAPPENED ON EARTH YOU WOULD HAVE CONDEMNED IN A HUMAN PERSON YOU HYPOCRITE BLIND PERSON, as my articles are out to explain and make you understand, but you just refuse to see it. But trust me, I will make a specific reply to your article also in due time, but not right now. But soon I will, and then, what will you say? That everything has been answered even though it has not been answered and even been refuted?”

      […]

      Answer why you judge God different from Hitler when they are both guilty of the same crime and they both damn innocent people, for God also damns or condemns people to Concentration Camps of Hell for nothing, such as merely being ashamed to confess one single sin! And this is clearly unjust according to all just laws, as even the lawyer you are should know, if you are but honest, because this is not a crime in the world or by the world, but only declared so by “God”.

      If you won't answer my argument or questions, then it is because you are dishonest and are afraid to be exposed. Otherwise, answer my arguments and questions, you coward, because I have already answered yours.

      Read the rest at:
      https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html

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    4. Jerome,
      Your argumentation is so pathetic, it stands refuted and you're incapable of seeing it. I'll let my readers judge; you are a Universalist anti-christian apostate.

      Here we go DIRECTLY TO YOUR POINTS ABOVE:

      1. No one needs to believe in visions which are private revelations. Even visions by great saints need not be believed. Apparitions like Our Lady of Fatima need not be believed.

      We only know for certain that Judas Iscariot is in Hell. That is Church teaching as I explain in my post above. Two points:

      (a) St Alphonsus often uses certain situations to make a point. The point would be that God is an infinitely Perfect Being and any offense done with full consent and knowledge that it is gravely wrong is deserving of Hell regardless of age. As a Lawyer I know that THE PUNISHMENT MUST FIT THE CRIME--and the crime for a mortal sin is Hell. Why? Hell is eternal because sin, though finite by itself, is primarily committed against an infinite God; the punishment must therefore also be infinite. If you destroyed someone's property valued at $100, he has a strict right in justice to be compensated the full $100. God's 's friendship is infinite in value and the mortal sinner broke that friendship against a Perfect Being. Therefore, the punishment must be equally infinite. Hell is neither more nor less than absolute, perfect justice; it couldn’t be otherwise. "He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He." (Deuteronomy 32:4).

      You see Hell as unjust because your conception of God and Justice/Mercy are both WRONG.

      You commit the fallacy of argumentum ad misericordiam--the appeal to pity. is a fallacy in which someone tries to win support for an argument or idea by exploiting his or her opponent's feelings of pity--an emotional appeal. E.g., How could a five year old be in Hell?? Well the Church teaches that those who are baptized and die before the age of reason (age 7) go to Heaven. The unbaptized who die before reason go to Limbo--a place where there is no pain and natural happiness.

      Now, St. Alphonsus' vision maybe no more than bring home the point that **IF** there were a five year old capable of mortal sin, he would go to Hell. The offense of mortal sin is INFINITE REGARDLESS OF AGE AS LONG AS THE PERSON (a) has use of reason, (b) commits a sin on a GRAVE MATTER, with (c) FULL KNOWLEDGE IT IS WRONG and (d) FULL CONSENT OF THE WILL.

      Any person who does so CHOOSES HELL. A person will go into the next life as the person they made themselves in this life. A human being's choice and fate are sealed at death. If someone goes to Judgement as an enemy of God, that individual rejects all that God is; love, goodness, etc. They have embraced hate, evil, and all that is wrong. That's who they will be for all eternity. No person is capable of being forgiven if they do not repent of their sin. people who allow themselves to die in mortal sin CANNOT REPENT OR BE SORRY.
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    5. You write: "What if this child was your own child? Surely, you would not want him to be damned, and you would wish there was hope. Think the same of others children then too, and do not evilly declare that damnation is “good” or “just”, because you would never have made such a judgment if you where God, hence, this position is evil, as you know."

      Answer: NO, as I explained it is not unjust or evil. The punishment fits the crime. All you have is another appeal to pity. What if you had an 18 year old son who committed murder and was sentenced to be executed. You wouldn't want to see your son executed (or go to jail for life), but you would know THE PUNISHMENT MUST FIT THE CRIME. Murderers deserve capital punishment, and they are always someone's son, father, etc. That doesn't make capital punishment or life in prison unjust. So what we want and what we deserve are two different things. Would I WANT my son executed? No. Does he deserve it and receive such a punishment? YES!! So would I if I murdered someone. So I have directly answered your "5 year old" argument. Sending ANYONE TO HELL FOR MORTAL SIN IS JUST REGARDLESS OF AGE.

      YOU AND YOUR "GOD" are the unjust ones, Jerome, as I shall now demonstrate.

      2. You write:"Answer why you judge God different from Hitler when they are both guilty of the same crime and they both damn innocent people, for God also damns or condemns people to Concentration Camps of Hell for nothing, such as merely being ashamed to confess one single sin!"

      First, you always had a warped notion of sin thinking that everything was mortal sin, including married couples enjoying the marital act. If the sin is MORTAL (really mortal, not your conception of it) and not confessed, you could be forgiven by an Act of Perfect Contrition if through human weakness you were ashamed to confess it.

      God and Hitler are not the same. Hitler is a creature just like those he murdered. No one committed a crime for which they deserved death.

      God is not a creature, He is the INFINITELY PERFECT CREATOR. An offense that is committed against Him involves you choosing to be evil and embrace that evil. You don't want to be with God, so you have eternal separation as I explained above in my post. Therefore Hitler is a criminal, but not God. One is a mere creature, the other is the CREATOR. One is killing people because he hates them (Hitler), and ONE is giving people the EVIL THEY CHOSE. hitler's victims didn't choose to be be killed but the DAMNED CHOSE FREELY TO SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM GOD.

      Therefore, God is just, Hitler is not.

      There, I answered your questions Jerome, but you have not answered mine.

      1. If we all go to Heaven is it GOOD AND JUST for Hitler to share Heaven with St Francis of Assisi?? How is it just for a mass murderer to get the same enjoyment as someone who lived an angelic life? How does this not lead to the inescapable conclusion that MORALITY DOES NOT MATTER. The Ten Commandments are merely suggestions that don't matter.

      2. Do you believe Jesus Christ is God? Why did He die for us? If there's no Hell, what did He save us from--if anything?

      3. Why can't God just forgive Original Sin? Is it fair to be punished with death for the sin of someone else? (Adam). The same false notion of justice would demand we never suffer at all for the sin of another. Why are we not just created in Heaven in the first place?

      When you don't understand and accept Catholic theology Jerome, you just go from one crazy heresy (Feeneyite) to another (Universalist) where beliefs and actions don't matter.

      ---Introibo

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    6. To My Readers,
      I invite you to go to Jerome's blog and read his nonsense if only to show how Feeneyites have a "Sickness of Soul." From one heresy to the next.

      There is no need to waste an hour of your life there, nor do I need to waste my time, because Jerome's OWN WRITTEN WORDS condemn him!

      Here are some samples of what he writes proving him to be a Universalist anti-Christian Apostate

      1. JEROME DECLARES MAN AS GOD

      "Response: You say God and Hitler is not the same? False, we are all the same, and we all originated from God, and we were all created in his likeness..."

      God is omniscient, omnipotent, omni-benevolent, and eternal. People are NONE of these things. Being made in God's likeness means we have a rational spiritual soul. For people and God to be the same, EITHER (a) people would have to be all-powerful, all knowing, rtc (and we are not) OR "God" could be none of those things like us. But if God created the universe from nothing, how could that be true? Jerome's "God" cannot be the Christian God BY DEFINITION. He cannot be the Supreme Being.

      If he can't get that right how can he get anything else right?

      2. JEROME'S "GOD" IS EVIL (!)

      "Response: No, God is not infinitely perfect. How can someone be perfect when he eternally murders souls that all could love, if only given the chance? There exists nothing more imperfect in all eternity than what God has done, and that is a fact. When all the damned converts and starts to love, you will see this truth for yourself, you blind person."

      "God" is evil--is it any wonder that Jerome is clueless? His God is not the Christian God.

      3. JEROME'S "CHRIST" IS NOT THE SAVIOR; HE DIED FOR NOTHING

      " God only died for the Saved according to his laws anyway, so yes, in a sense he died for nothing because Christ refused to be truly universal and he lets billions be lost, because they are “unworthy” his graces. Do you know what this might mean? That the true Christ perhaps is yet to come, if this other Christ was no the true Christ. Because why would a true God be selfish, and only apply salvation to those who are worthy according to himself? Salvation must be applied according to justice, and not on any personal motives. And according to justice, everyone is worthy of salvation, because everyone can love and become good and give love [but this is denied by God to ever happen in his evil Hell].”

      So there you have it folks! Jerome's "God" is evil. Jerome's God is equal to His creation--so why can't we create things out of nothing--and how did we get here if God is not all-powerful and HE couldn't create us?

      The fact is Jerome thinks HE is just and God is not--HE knows better than God. And if his "god" is evil and imperfect then how can Jerome believe there is no Hell? If God is evil, there would be Hell (according to Jerome), yet Jerome claims there is no Hell. (If your head is spinning it should be!)

      If we are the same as God people should be all-powerful. But we are not. That means God is no more powerful than people--but then how did God create the universe and Hell/Heaven??

      The fact is, the Christian God Jerome rejects is all good, all knowing and all powerful--the Creator of all. We are imperfect and finite we can never understand His ways because we are NOT His equal, so things will work out for the good, even if we don't understand how because of our limited intellects.

      "For My thoughts are not thy thoughts, neither are thy ways My ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than thy ways and My thoughts than thy thoughts. (Isaiah 55: 8-9).

      "How unsearchable His judgments, and His paths beyond tracing out. Who hath known the mind of the Lord?" (Romans 11:13-14).

      Jerome should change the name of his blog from "Against All Heresies and Errors" to "Propagating All Heresies, Errors, and Insanity."

      ---Introibo

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    14. To my Readers:
      Jerome has continued his apostate, illogical rants, and you are free to read them. Here are some other "whoppers"--and the real reason he is out of touch with reality:

      1. Jerome quotes me: “God is omniscient, omnipotent, omni-benevolent, and eternal. People are NONE of these things.”

      He responds: "Answer: Neither is God any of these (except perhaps eternal and knowing the future), for a God that damns others and torments them is not perfect, is not kind, is not all powerful (such as in justice) but rather the definition of imperfection." Therefore, if God is evil, we should ALL be in Hell. If God is not all-powerful, He could not create the universe and call it "good" as He did in Genesis. Hence, Jerome's "God" is not the Christian God.

      2. Jerome wants me to KNOW THE MIND OF GOD.

      He writes, "That is why you cannot and will not answer the question as to what you would do if you were God and if you would damn people if you had the power of God, or if he lent you his power to do as you please with the damned, what would you do? Would you not forgive them and work on their betterment for all eternity then instead of damning them I asked repeatedly? You never responded. Never! "

      Here is my answer. I cannot know the INFINITE MIND of GOD. "For My thoughts are not thy thoughts, neither are thy ways My ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than thy ways and My thoughts than thy thoughts. (Isaiah 55: 8-9).

      "How unsearchable His judgments, and His paths beyond tracing out. Who hath known the mind of the Lord?" (Romans 11:13-14).

      If I were God, I WOULD DO THE SAME AS HE BECAUSE HE KNOWS EVERYTHING, KNOWS WHAT IS BEST, AND CAN CARRY IT OUT. People are only lost THROUGH THEIR OWN FAULT. THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF REHABILITATION AFTER DEATH. Since this ordering of the world is the best, then I WOULD DO THE SAME, since this is the result of an all GOOD, all Loving God.

      THERE IS THE ANSWER FROM ME.

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    15. 3. JEROME THINKS GOD CAN MAKE A PERSON MORE POWERFUL THAN HE-- TO SOMEONE "MORE DESERVING."

      He writes: "But being made in God's likeness means, rather, I would say, that we can share in and take parts of God's glory and power. Hence, God could actually make someone else more powerful then himself by giving his power to him, and even if God could take it back, if God is just and this person deserves this power more, this means God will not do it, since God is undeserving of it."

      If you have exactly one million dollars, how can you give someone MORE than a million dollars? His position is self-refuting. Further, He denies the Christian God and even (approvingly) quotes Bergoglio:“And I believe in God. Not in a catholic God; a catholic God does not exist; God exists.”

      4. Jerome thinks GOD CAN "CHANGE HIS MIND."

      He writes, "ALSO, IF GOD CHANGED POSITION ON HELL, SO WOULD YOU. SO THE ARGUMENT THAT HELL IS “JUST” FALLS FLAT WITH THIS ARGUMENT ALONE."

      God CANNOT change. Hebrews 13:8, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." God is perfection. He IS JUSTICE. HE IS MERCY. HE IS EVERYTHING GOOD AND KNOWS ALL. Therefore, He cannot "change His mind" since He already KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FROM ALL ETERNITY. Theft is unjust, God is just. Therefore, theft is wrong. The Ten Commandments aren't right because God commanded them, rather they were commanded BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD AND REFLECT THE ALL JUST GOD.

      Finally---JEROME BATTLED "GOD" AND "GOD" CHANGED HIS MIND. JEROME TALKS WITH MANY SPIRITS

      He writes: "You also ask how God is evil yet there is no Hell? Do you want to know why? That is because, if you want to believe this, God removed Hell and Limbo because I demanded and commanded him to do so, since I battled with God every day and still do for the salvation of all the angels, humans and souls, and all other living and non-living creatures, such as animals and even stones and trees! Hence, God told me finally that there will be no Hell, and that I was right in my thinking, and he also said that this was just as test in order to see who among his children wanted to be truly just, and who would not want this.

      But since I cannot be certain of that this is the case, and since I talk with many spirits, I have also heard this: that it was not a test, and that God was wrong in creating Hell, but that he did not change his position, apparently, until I condemned him and debated with him so much so that he was forced to change position, because when my justice and my thoughts was so good and noble, how could God resist me? He could not, hence he changed and humbled himself."

      Jerome is therefore mentally disturbed or in communication with demons. That's where his un-Christian, illogical and evil doctrines come. I will not bother with this man who needs psychological help, an exorcism perhaps, or maybe both.

      Over and out,
      ---Introibo

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    16. ADDENDUM TO MY READERS:
      After publishing all six of his comments, I saw all Jerome did was reproduce his insanity from his blog and post it here. The comments are not for reproducing other blog posts. Go to his website and read it in full if you want.

      ---Introibo

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    17. I'm pretty sure this Jerome guy needs to read something like a Summa. Or, I don't know, because even with the basic philosophies regarding the Judeo-Christian God of Sts. Augustine, Aquinas, or technically all Christian philosophers he disagrees with.

      Introibo, does God not changing His mind mean He has only One Will, like He has only One Understanding? Hence, if His Understanding and Will is more than one, there will be more than three Persons of the Godhead? Is this understanding correct?

      Also, of the Father's infinite Wisdom is the Son, and if the Son has infinite wisdom, why doesn't this generate another Person of the Godhead?

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    18. King_Pius,

      1. His understanding and Will are One. You are correct.

      2. The Trinity is a deep mystery of faith; above and beyond, but not opposed to reason. This question cannot be answered simply, it would take a whole post to give it its due explanation. I would suggestion theologian Pohle's "Dogmatic Theology" Volume 2--The Divine Trinity.

      ---Introibo

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  21. Introibo, are the fires of hell material? Aquinas says yes. (Or am I wrong?).

    But how do souls not united to their bodies suffer from material fire?

    Also, is heaven a physical place? Christ ascended with His Body. But where is heaven? Outside the universe? Did Christ travel through space? Also Aquinas says Sts. Enoch and Elias/Elijah are not in the highest heaven/i.e. God, saints, and angels' heaven but in a lower altitude. But where?? In earth's atmosphere? Thanks.

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      I answered about Hell fire in the post above:
      “ The fire of Hell was considered by individual Fathers, such as St. Gregory of Nyssa, to be symbolic and metaphorical for purely spiritual pains, such as the pain of the conscience which realizes the loss of Heaven is by the abuse of free will and the rejection of God's grace which could have saved that person. This opinion has never been formally condemned or censured by the Church.

      However, the majority of Fathers, and the majority of theologians after the Council of Trent, teach that the fire is real and material. The Angelic Doctor, St. Thomas Aquinas, explains that the fire of Hell binds the souls to a material fire, which acts as an instrument of Divine penal justice. Through it the damned souls are made subject to matter and hindered in their free movement. (See Ott, supra, pgs. 480-481).”

      As to Heaven and Hell, they are real places. Where they exist has never been declared by the Church. All we have are the speculations of theologians and various theological schools of thought.

      —-Introibo

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  22. Actually Introibo, Francis condemned the mafia. He said that unless they repent, they'll go to hell. One of the few times he talked about hell.

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      Modernists will sometimes say something seemingly orthodoxy but it means nothing. An atheist lawyer who was up against me in court said as we were leaving, “Even God can’t help you to win this one.” From that statement am I expected to recognize that he believes in God?

      An isolated statement proves nothing. That’s the deception of Bergoglio.

      —-Introibo

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