Monday, August 24, 2020

Queen James


Make no bones about it; as sexual perverts have succeeded in redefining marriage in the civil law, they will seek the acceptance of their wicked ways as "normal" in every facet of life. Their last obstacles are the remnant of the One True Church and the sects who still believe the basics of Christian morality. They know that their sin (along with oppression of the poor, defrauding laborers of their just wages, and murder) is one of the Four Sins that Scream to Heaven for Vengeance. Undeterred, the sodomites and their allies have re-written the Bible. Taking the Protestant King James version, they have changed it into a sin-affirming text meant to have conservative Protestant sects weaken or change their stance against homosexuality. 

Entitled The Queen James Version, this "bible" sports a blasphemous rainbow cross on the cover, thereby combining  the "gay flag rainbow colors" with the sign of the cross. It is not the first attempt of "LGBTQIA++"  to rewrite Scripture. The original was called Study New Testament For Lesbians, Gays, Bi, And Transgender: With Extensive Notes On Greek Word Meaning And Context, which was published in 2007. "Queens James" (hereinafter "QJ") was published in 2012 and is available on Amazon. The publishers state the reason on Amazon for producing such a so-called "bible:"

Homosexuality was first mentioned in the Bible in 1946 in the Revised Standard Version. There is no mention of or reference to homosexuality in any Bible prior to this - only interpretations have been made. Anti-LGBT Bible interpretations commonly cite only eight verses in the Bible that they interpret to mean homosexuality is a sin; Eight verses in a book of thousands! The Queen James Bible seeks to resolve interpretive ambiguity in the Bible as it pertains to homosexuality: We edited those eight verses in a way that makes homophobic interpretations impossible.

Some preliminary considerations:
  •  The word "homosexual" wasn't even used until 1892 in the English language
  • That the word "homosexual" may not be used in any Bible prior to 1946, does not mean that the words in the Bible were not properly understood as referring to acts of homosexuality, lesbianism, sodomy, or sexual deviance
  • According to the anonymous publishers, one reason that the King James version was chosen to be "homosexualized" is because of  The obvious gay link to King James, known amongst friends and courtiers as “Queen James” because of his many gay lovers. King James was the head of the Anglican sect, and commissioned a translation of the Bible into English in 1604. He had homosexual tendencies. There is some evidence he may have been a bisexual pervert. 
  • The same publishers opine that "Most English Bible translations that actively condemn homosexuality have based themselves on the King James Version and have erroneously adapted its words to support their own agenda. We wanted to return to the clean source and start there."(Emphasis mine). The irony is incredible. Are they not doing exactly what they are accusing others of doing by “adapt[ing] its (the Bible’s) words to support their own agenda”?
  • They invoke "clean sources." What are these alleged "clean sources"? This post will expose this as a lie; the so-called "sources" are as dirty as the sexual practices of the deviants they support. Moreover, the scholarly credentials of the publishers is unknown. They are completely anonymous and the author of this pseudo-bible is listed, most blasphemously, as "God." 
(Citations to the anonymous publishers can be found at https://web.archive.org/web/20140116205229/http://queenjamesbible.com/gay-bible/). 

This post will demonstrate that the QJ "bible" is a fabrication intended to make "gay OK" and encourage the acceptance of sodomites (and all other sexual perverts) by those who reject them based on Biblical authority. 

Distorting God's Word
The following is the list of  biblical verses twisted by the publishers to push acceptance of homosexuality and sexual perversion. I will present (a) how the verse is actually written; (b) how QJ renders it; (c) the reason given for the change; (d) the teaching of the Church on the true meaning. 
Even though it's a Protestant translation, I will use the original King James version (KJ) so the change in verbiage will be clear.

Genesis 19:5
KJ: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

QJ: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may rape and humiliate them. (Emphasis mine)

Publisher's reason: We side with most Bible scholars who understand the story of Sodom and Gomorra to be about bullying strangers. Strangers were not well-treated or well-regarded at the time of Bible (hence so much of the Word urging the love and acceptance of others).
We know Lot asks that the men do not “know” the angel visitors “wickedly,” (Genesis 19:7), in other words “brutally,” which we understand to mean “rape.” We know from Leviticus that one is not allowed to have sex with a beast, and angels are not human. Plus, the passage mentions the men of the city; Obviously women and children aren’t going to be invited to a dominating and public rape, but we know there were women and children in Sodom because Lot had daughters. Rapes such as this one are common between men in prison; they aren’t sexual acts, they are power-dominating acts.

Church Teaching: Notice that they never cite who comprises "most Bible scholars." Not even one name. The story of Sodom, told in Genesis 19, explains how Lot (Abraham's nephew) was met by two strangers at the gate of the city. These men were actually angels in disguise. Lot brings them to his house and, after a meal but before going to bed, the men of Sodom (young and old) surround the house and demand to have sex with them. Lot refuses to allow the gang rape of his guests and (tragically) offers them his virgin daughters instead. The men of Sodom are not interested in the women, only wanting sex with the men. The mob is about to break down the door of the house, when the "men" reveal themselves and save Lot by striking the mob with blindness. Revisionists tell us this is a case of attempted gang rape and  being "inhospitable" to guests, it is not "loving and consensual relations" that God would not condemn. 

In Genesis 19, this is what we read:

“And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.” (Genesis 19:5-7)

According to the publisher's logic (or rather the lack thereof), are we going to conclude that had the men wanted to “know”(i.e., "have sex with") the angel visitors in a “nice” manner that this would have been okay? But since they wished to “know” the angels “wickedly” that this somehow changes the moral law of God?  The change from "know them" to "rape and humiliate them" is based on the false idea that male-on-male rape is not a sexual act. Physical rape - sodomy - was what the sinners of Sodom had in mind; the very vice is named after the city, hardly something you would expect if it applied only to rape. Theologian Haydock explains Genesis 19: 

In verse 4: Together. The whole city was corrupt; even the children were taught iniquity, as soon as they came to the years of discretion.  In verse 5: Know them. They boldly proclaim their infamous design. Verse 8: Known man. They were neglected, while men were inflamed with desires of each other.
(See https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/genesis-19.html).

Leviticus 20:13 
KJ: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

QJ: If a man also lie with mankind in the temple of Molech, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Emphasis mine)

Leviticus 18:22
KJ: You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

QJ: Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind in the temple of Molech: it is an abomination.(Emphasis mine). 

Publisher's reason: Leviticus is a very strict holy code designed to prevent acts associated with pre-Jewish idol worship. Many of the rules concern sexual acts, as most pagan rituals were sexual in nature. One notable and highly condemnable act was having sex with male pagan temple prostitutes...We assert that Leviticus 18:21 refers to “lying” with these pagan male prostitutes as a form of pagan idolatry. This fits in with the story order of Leviticus, and with the other offenses punishments punishable by death within Leviticus. We therefore change Levticus 18:21 and 20:13...(Emphasis mine)

Church Teaching: The publishers assert that these verses in Leviticus actually have to do with a pagan ritual of worship to Molech by having sex with male prostitutes in pagan temples. However, Leviticus 18:21 says nothing about this. It only states, “Neither shall you give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech…” It says nothing about “lying with these pagan male prostitutes.” The Hebrew text does not include the phrase "in the temple of Molech." The QJV editors borrowed the word "Molech" from Leviticus 18:21 and added "in the temple."

The QJV revisionists assert, that it is "abominable" for a man have sex with another man if they are "in the temple of Molech," but it is not "abominable" for a man to have sex with another man if it has nothing to do with Molech worship.

Does Leviticus 18:23 condemn bestiality/incest/orgies "in the temple of Molech," but justify it outside the temple? This is special pleading for their chosen sins. Theologian Haydock has this to say about Leviticus 18:22:

Abomination, punished so severely in the Sodomites, Genesis xix. Yet, even the philosophers of Greece were not at all ashamed of it. Bardesanes assures us, that the eastern nations punished it with death, and would not allow the guilty the honours of burial. Those beyond the Euphrates were so shocked at it, that they would kill themselves if they were only accused of such a crime. (Ap. Eusebius, præp. vi. 10.)---(Emphasis mine). 

Romans 1:26-27
KJ: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against their nature:And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. 

QJ: Their women did change their natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, left of the natural use of the woman, burned in ritual lust, one toward another; Men with men working that which is pagan and unseemly. For this cause God gave the idolators up unto vile affections, receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

Publisher's reason: We know [St.] Paul was a Jew and steeped in the purity tradition of Leviticus. Leviticus, as we know, is intended to condemn ritual impurities associated with pagan idol worship. It would not be unreasonable to assume a connection, especially since Romans 1:24 mentions “uncleanness.” We know sex, both heterosexual and homosexual sex (not distinguished from each other at the time), was an extremely major component of pagan ritual. Most scholars (us included), agree that the sin in Romans 1 isn’t being gay or lesbian or having gay sex. The sin was worshiping pagan idols instead of God, as it was in Leviticus, as it is everywhere in the Bible.

Church Teaching: "Most scholars (us included)..." Again, not one name of a scholar is given, and the publishers would have us consider them "scholars" on their own ipse dixit.  Please be advised that I have no idea who “most scholars” are here, but apparently since “The Editors” declare themselves as scholars, they only need cite themselves as their “clean source.”

Note the removal of "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections."

Furthermore, note the addition of "And likewise also the men, left of the natural use of the woman, burned in ritual lust, one toward another." Note the addition of the phrases "is pagan" and "For this cause God gave the idolators up unto vile affections," and compare with additions of the "in the temple of Molech" in Leviticus. 

Notice that the phrase "ritual lust" is not in the Greek text. The original KJV has no occurrence of the word "ritual" in the entire Bible. This addition alters the meaning of the text to make it to say that homosexuality is only sinful when it is practiced in some sort of religious ritual, such as temple prostitution. Since we are now discussing the New Testament, I will show Church teaching in more detail further on.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
KJ: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

QJ: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor morally weak, nor promiscuous, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (Emphasis mine).

Publisher's reason: One of the most famous homosexual Bible ambiguous interpretations is the line “Abusers of themselves with mankind,” which can be linked to the Greek word “Arsenokoitais.” The meaning of arsenokoitais has been famously debated, but in fact, “arsenokoitais” translates to “the male who has many beds,” and wherever else “kotais” is used in the Greek translations, it implies what we would use “promiscuity” for in modern English. (“Arsenokoitais” is likely referring to men who “abuse themselves” with the child-aged male prostitutes common in pagan temples at the time). Furthermore, Greek as a language had developed words for homosexuality, but none of those words were used in arsenokoitais’s place.

Church Teaching: This is an out-and-out falsehood. A simple glance at secular sources on the Greek language proves these self-anointed "scholars" wrong.  Two different Greek words are used here for homosexual relationships: malakos and arsenokoites.

A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament by Walter Baur, et al., defines malakos as "soft, effeminate, esp. of catamites, men and boys who allow themselves to be misused homosexually." It's used to describe "male prostitutes"and those that are the more passive (receptive) partner in a homosexual relationship.

The Greek word arsenokoites is defined as "a male who practices homosexuality, pederast, sodomite," and "homosexual offenders" (or "sodomites" in some translations) to the more active partner in a homosexual relationship. Both parties in the relationship are vile sinners before God.

1 Timothy 1:10
KJ: For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

QJ: For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Publisher's reason: Given the context and theme of all our edits, we have changed “defile themselves with mankind” to simply “defile themselves.”

Church Teaching: The QJV omits the phrase "with mankind," as it implies a homosexual relationship.
The Greek word used here is arsenokoitas, so what was said above about 1 Corinthians applies here.  

St. Jude 1:7
KJ: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

QJ: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after nonhuman flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Publisher's reason: Given our clarification of the story of Sodom, we chose to highlight the fact that the male mob in Sodom raped angels, which is “strange” in that it is nonhuman.

Church Teaching: In regard to the historical revisionism, here is the teaching of the Church in regards to Sodom and sound exegesis:

The "LGBTQIA++" perverts assert that in the Epistle of Jude, it refers to "nonhuman" flesh since the guests of Lot were "angels."

However, the men of Sodom did not know Lot's guests were angels. The Sodomites in Genesis 19:5 say, "Where are the men [not angels] who came to you tonight?" (Emphasis mine). The Douay-Rheims correctly translates the verse as, "As Sodom and Gomorrha, and the neighboring cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire." It is not "non-human." 

Jesus Christ condemns homosexuality:

Each time Our Lord refers to that immoral city of Sodom, He refers to its sinfulness and agrees that it stands condemned:

  • St. Matthew 10:15, "Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town." (Clearly implying that on Judgement Day, Sodom and Gomorrah will stand condemned)
  • St. Matthew 11:23-24, "And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hell. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you."
  • St. Luke 10:12, "I assure you, even wicked Sodom will be better off than such a town on judgment day."
  • St. Luke 17:30, "But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from Heaven and destroyed them all."
First, Sodom was destroyed by God for it's "going after other flesh" (St. Jude 1:7)

Second, this perversion is homosexuality, because Genesis 19 clearly states it was men wanting sex with two angels who appeared as men, and they had no (sexual) use for women.

Third, Our Lord Jesus Christ is recorded referring to Sodom no less than four (4) times, and each time He agrees the city stands condemned for this sin ("sodomy") and calls Sodom "wicked." 

Therefore, Jesus Christ condemned homosexuality. True, He never uses the word "homosexuality," but He never specifically condemned "rape" by name, so are we thereby to blasphemously assume He didn't condemn it?

"Queen James" Shows Sola Scriptura Untenable
The publishers of the QJ "bible" explain another reason they wrote it:

The Bible is the word of God translated by man. This (saying nothing countless translations and the evolution of language itself) means the Bible can be interpreted in different ways, leading to what we call “interpretive ambiguity.” 

There is no "interpretive ambiguity" because Christ established His One True Church with an infallible Magisterium to correctly give the true interpretation to both the Bible and Sacred Tradition, which together make up the Deposit of Divine Revelation. Protestant sects have been multiplying ever since arch-heretic Martin Luther unleashed private interpretation of the Scriptures. The result is a "bible" that condones sexual perversion that would even make Luther and Calvin shudder. 

The teachings of selected Fathers and Doctors of the Church.

Saint John Chrysostom (347-407)
But if thou scoffest at hearing of hell and believest not that fire, remember Sodom. For we have seen, surely we have seen, even in this present life, a semblance of hell...Consider how great is that sin, to have forced hell to appear even before its time! . . . For that rain was unwonted, for the intercourse was contrary to nature, and it deluged the land, since lust had done so with their souls. (Homily IV Romans 1:26-27; Emphasis mine).

Saint Augustine (354-430)
Those offences which be contrary to nature are everywhere and at all times to be held in detestation and punished; such were those of the Sodomites, which should all nations commit, they should all be held guilty of the same crime by the divine law, which hath not so made men that they should in that way abuse one another. For even that fellowship which should be between God and us is violated, when that same nature of which He is author is polluted by the perversity of lust. (Book III, Chap. 8, no. 15; Emphasis mine). 

Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274)
Secondly, man sins against nature when he goes against his generic nature, that is to say, his animal nature. Now, it is evident that, in accord with natural order, the union of the sexes among animals is ordered towards conception. From this it follows that every sexual intercourse that cannot lead to conception is opposed to man's animal nature. (Super Epistolam B. Pauli ad Romanos, Cap. 1, Lec. 8; Emphasis mine).

Conclusion
The "Queen James" sodomite "bible" serves to illustrate the problem with the Vatican II sect, Protestants, and the "recognize and resist"(R&R) pseudo-Traditionalists of the SSPX and Salza/Siscoe types. They don't accept an unchanging, infallible Magisterium (Teaching Authority). Protestants privately interpret the Bible to their liking, as does the Modernist Vatican and the R&R with both the Scripture and past Church teaching. Now the chickens have come home to roost. Homosexuality and all manner of sexual "LGBTQIAA" wickedness will get more acceptance even among those claiming the title "Christian." 

Here are but two examples of  what "Fr." James Martin of the Vatican II sect has said to prove my point:
  •  In 2017, when an openly homosexual man said that he and his partner don't kiss during the "Sign of Peace" during the Novus Bogus "mass," Fr. Martin said he hopes that "in ten years you will be able to kiss your partner or, you know, soon to be your husband." (See https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/eight-extreme-things-fr.-james-martin-just-said-about-catholics-and) 
  • In 2017, at Fordham University, Martin stated, "I have a hard time imagining how even the most traditionalist, homophobic, closed-minded Catholic cannot look at my friend [in a same-sex "marriage"] and say, ‘That is a loving act, and that is a form of love that I don’t understand but that I have to reverence." (See https://news.fordham.edu/inside-fordham-category/lectures-and-events/building-bridge-catholic-church-lgbt-community/)
Martin says all this with the full knowledge and implicit approval of Bergoglio. Why shouldn't he approve? Francis told practicing sodomite Juan Carlos Cruz, "It doesn't matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this."  So don't be surprised if a friend who attends the Vatican II sect Novus Bogus "mass" tells you that the scantily clad female "lector" begins "the Reading" thus---"A reading from the Book of Leviticus---Queen James Version." 

36 comments:

  1. The real Bible is the inspired Word of God but this pro-lgbt bible is inspired by the devil, like everything that has come out of the modernist sect. And guys like James Martin or Bergoglio are agents of the devil declaring that what is sin is good. They fall under the curse, as Isaiah 5:20 says.

    Today, in my Rosary prayer, I pray that God will give a true Pope to the Holy Church. I signed up for this site and invite everyone to do so.

    http://prayforapope.com/

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    1. Simon,
      Thank you for the site! All would do well to sign-up and pray for a true pope.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  2. It always fascinates me how sins tied to sexuality - LGBT, abortion, divorce - are always the ones that modern people try to make allowances for.

    I once made the joke that people wouldn't make the same allowances for theft.

    Then I look upon the recent BLM riots and the numerous people justifying looting "because it's all insired", and realize that joke is now out of date.

    Shaking my head,

    A Simple Man

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    1. A Simple Man,
      You speak the truth. The evil that men do can always be rationalized. Nevertheless, sexual sins are the ones that grip people the strongest. I believe that Our Lady of Fatima said, “More souls go to Hell for sins of the flesh than for any other reason.”

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  3. No doubt Francis the fake with his ecumenism will be reading from the Queen's James Bible and it will have a prominent place to be displayed and sold in Novus Ordo churches alongside the JPII Luminous mystery rosaries!

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  4. The perverts are trying to normalize pedophilia now. Everyone said Christians were crazy for calling LGBT a slippery slope, all one had to do is look around at all the sexualization of children and rampant pedophilia going on. They first had to normalize the sodomites, and now they will normalize the pedo's. Sick and evil

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    1. One of the leaders of Black Lives Matter was charged with pedophilia for abusing an underage girl and boy. He is not listed on the sex offender registry.

      http://asbestoslawyers-2.blogspot.com/2018/03/prominent-black-lives-matter-leader.html?m=1

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  5. David M, I agree!
    And the horrible punishment came to Sodom and Gomorrah when they indoctrinated the children in perversity. This is happening today and it is sickening! I can only wonder how soon another similar chastisement will be (rightly) inflicted on this world.
    Jannie

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    1. Jannie,
      With Bergoglio, COVID, and BLM, maybe it’s already upon us!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. And climate change too ! We've been warned !

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    3. I remember Bp. Sanborn actually opined that the abnormal emphasis on climate change is one of the attempts for the one world new order that almost everyone especially modernists want.

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  6. The flavor of the world now...

    Perhaps the antichrist has already been born.

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    1. @anon8:55
      That’s possible in my opinion.

      —-Introibo

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    2. America has been relatively fortunate in a material sense, but history shows just how quickly a seemingly civilized society can descend into savagery, and transform utterly within a matter of years.

      Some examples out of many can be seen with the French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, the birth of Islam, the rise of Nazism in Germany, the Cultural Revolution in Maoist China, and so on.

      As such, although it's quite possible that the Antichrist has been born, I personally believe we're not quite at that point yet, if only because our current society has yet to plumb the depths of human depravity in their fullness.

      Nevertheless, be vigilant and diligent in equal measure.

      Sincerely,

      A Simple Man

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    3. I wonder if the Antichrist will be a transgender?

      JoAnn

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    4. Joann,
      There was some speculation among early theologians that the Antichrist would be a Jewish sodomite. Transgender? Nothing would surprise me anymore!

      —-Introibo

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    5. In my opinion, the antichrist will try to unite the wokes with the old-school liberals who love “freedom” yet disagree with the wokes (eg., Donald Trump, some members of the Republican Party). This way, it would be like the Vatican second sect, and trap more ppl because of its “elements of truth: a woke section, an old school liberal section united.

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    6. In my opinion, the antichrist will try to unite the wokes with the old-school liberals who love “freedom” yet disagree with the wokes (eg., Donald Trump, some members of the Republican Party). This way, it would be like the Vatican second sect, and trap more ppl because of its “elements of truth: a woke section, an old school liberal section united. This “church
      could attract some sedes.

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  7. // The word "homosexual" wasn't even used until 1892 in the English language //

    Correct.

    // That the word "homosexual" may not be used in any Bible prior to 1946, does not mean that the words in the Bible were not properly understood as referring to acts of homosexuality, lesbianism, sodomy, or sexual deviance //

    Note, some things considered sexual deviance these days are not so (notably some parts of "pedophilia" when really hebephilia and heterosexual) and note, acts of. Voluntary outer or inner acts of.

    The psychological term homosexual or homosexuality refers to (a person with) certain leanings whether he lives them out or not.

    And a person who does not voluntarily live out homosexuality even on the inner plane, may perhaps not remain homosexual for long, but is certainly not a sinner because "homosexual" in the purely psychological sense.

    I have said it before and I say it again : if someone is homosexual (psychologic sense) this does not block (normal, Christian, actively heterosexual) marriage (unless in extreme cases when homosexuality totally inhibits any acts of heterosexuality = probably Kinsey scale 7 or perhaps 6 and 7).

    I have therefore stated, homosexuals (again, psychologic sense) do have a right to marry, and it has nothing to do with gay marriage. A homosexual man has as much a right to marry a woman, as a heterosexual man has no right to marry a man.

    If this had been heeded, back in Obama's time, sufficiently many saying "homosexuals are not discriminated against as it is" - perhaps the evil of gay marriage might have been avoided.

    And obviously, one other evil with pretending homosexuals cannot marry is, a homosexual who tries to live as a heterosexual in so far as marriage is concerned, is unrighteously deprived of a means of "remedium concupiscentiae" (as was also the case with the already married Oscar Wilde, whose Catholic wife was going to go back to him after his prison sentence but was dissuaded), and even more unrighteously, this is the case with people reputed homosexual who aren't so.

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  8. Why in the world did the Protestants name their Bible after the pervert King James to begin with? Have read several sources that state King James had homosexual affairs and was more than likely bi-sexual. It is disgusting that a Bible was named for this pervert. Just more confirmation of the evils of Protestantism and it's Sola scripture. King James was Queen James in 1604. Totally disgusting and depraved. These homos have no shame.

    http://rictornorton.co.uk/jamesi.htm

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    1. JoAnn,

      It's nothing more complicated than the fact that King James VI (also the I after the crown seats were fused into one) was the one who sponsored and commissioned this particular translation. Nothing more and nothing less. Per the Wikipedia entry on KJV:

      "In January 1604, King James convened the Hampton Court Conference, where a new English version was conceived in response to the problems of the earlier translations perceived by the Puritans,[6] a faction of the Church of England.[7]

      James gave the translators instructions intended to ensure that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology — and reflect the episcopal structure — of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy."

      I don't think his sexual proclivities much come to mind to those who use this translation. Of greater concern in the big picture is the fact that his commissioned scholars dared to presume that they had the authority to translate Scripture on their own volition to begin, royal sponsorship or no.

      We see such fruit today in the various translations of Scripture that exist that have done untold damage to the meaning and intent of the original meaning.

      Sincerely,

      A Simple Man

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    2. Simple Man,
      You are correct that the KJ version has nothing to do with King James’ sexuality, and I equally agree with the damage done by non-Church translations.

      However, the Queen James version is making a big deal out of the King’s perversion. So while it was not an issue in 1604, it has become one now!

      —-Introibo

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  9. BLM = Being Led to Marxism = No
    JCM = Jesus Christ Matters = Yes

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    1. I love the motto "JCM". It's brilliant!

      Let me imagine it for a minute...It could be a great rallying cry like "Vivo Cristo Rey" was in Calles' Mexico.
      It would be met with blasphemy, violence and accusations of "appropriation" by the revolutionaries - as the mention of Christ always is.

      The trouble is in today's overwhelming indifference of "good" people to the mention of the Name of Jesus Christ . I guess I'm cynical to say all this, but in the Cristeros days, people were mostly lined up either for Him or against Him, with no in-between. Not so in 2020. The gradual acceptance by Catholics of Newchurch teaching that Man is God and God is Man is the biggest victory the Modernists gained. It is perfectly pagan.
      The mention of God ruffles only the feathers of the atheist extremists. Politicians sense it and can make stump speeches about bringing God "back" to America, knowing even if it costs them some votes on one side, it will get them more on the other.
      A massive rally for Christ as King could be a tide-turning event, or at least an act God would reward His true believers for, but is there enough Faith in enough numbers of people to make it happen? I don't know...we aren't even doing here what they're doing in European capitals; having huge anti Totalitarian demonstrations that show their governments that the masses are fed up with them!
      Jannie

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  10. Introibo,
    1) What is the rational evidence that the primary purpose of marriage is procreation?
    2) How is it to be understood that something is "natural" and how to know when it is? Many scientists argue that homosexuality is natural and occurs in animals? As a scholar in this field, how will you relate to this?
    God bless you.

    Paweł

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    1. Pawel,
      1. Humans are not merely animals. Sex organs have the primary purpose of generation. Seeking pleasure for the sake of pleasure reduces human existence to a piece of entertainment only to be thrown away when it no longer gives us a thrill.

      Marriage gives stability and a solid foundation to society. See what happens when sex takes precedence; illegitimacy, rise in crime rates from children so raised, etc. God has provided a natural tendency and desire for certain animals to remain with their families and humans are such animals. Since taking care of a human baby is much more complex than taking care of a wild animal, it is necessary for the well-being and proper upbringing of the child to have both parents present and to help with the numerous responsibilities and demands of everyday life.

      This is also the teaching of the Magisterium regarding what God has revealed.

      2. Homosexuality is unnatural because by its very nature there can be no offspring. There must be a third person involved in a process by which the biological parent is excluded e.g., artificial insemination, etc.

      Just because something happens in nature, doesn’t make it MORAL OR NATURAL FOR HUMANS. When a lion kills another animal we never call it “murder” regardless of the circumstances.

      The female praying mantis kills and cannibalizes her male partner in nature. Would anyone like to seriously argue that it’s if perfectly legitimate and moral for a human female to do the same because it “happens in nature”?

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. "1) What is the rational evidence that the primary purpose of marriage is procreation?"

      Just as the primary purpose of mouth and palate is so we can eat and drink water, food, medicinal stuff (including moderately medicinal, like small doses of alcohol or spices like cinnamon, both useful in digestion) and avoid poison, so the primary purpose of sex organs is so we can perpetuate the human genus in our own family.

      Sex and food do have social dimensions, as does talk, meant to convey truth, but in these one can in some cases replace the other, while the reason one is chosen is that it is necessary for prolongation of mankind, of own body, or extension of knowledge.

      Let them be as pleasureable as they can be, pleasure is a by-product of the purpose. You don't eat lots of spaghetti with tomato sauce and then puke so you can eat even more, and then puke that too, because in the case of food you respect the purpose.

      "2) How is it to be understood that something is "natural" and how to know when it is?"

      Natura in medieval (including scholastic) Latin means pertaining to the process of procreation, childbirth, breastfeeding, family affection. It also means the kind of being and characteristics of a being that normally follow from this. Sexual acts that either do give occasion for conception or prepare such acts (pre-coital kissing cannot be compared to infertile sex, since it prepares fertile sex, against a certain fanatic monastery), are natural because they are directed towards natura and also are in accordance with natura as "characteristics" of man.

      Many scientists argue that homosexuality is natural and occurs in animals?

      That it occurs in animals is certain, since observed, it doesn't make it natural any more than dogs born with two heads are so, or a rabbit aborting its litter is so. These things occur under abnormal circumstances.

      Unlike the complex of parent-child relations, and unlike the complex of normal human characteristics, what occurs in natural beings due to unnatural (abnormal) circumstances cannot be taken as any kind of rule for human morality.

      This is not any different because some scientists these days use "natural" in the very recent (post-medieval and probably industrial era) sense of "not artificial".

      As a scholar in this field, how will you relate to this?

      Are you a scholar in animal homosexuality? If so, don't you find a certain difference in quality (if you are still normally sensitive to such things) between a bitch with her puppies and a male dog raping a male puppy because a bitch in heat was not available?

      Or do you think of observations where that has been a preference? I don't know, but if they occur, it could be because some of the things polluting nature (modern sense) are certain oestrogens from pills.

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  11. Introibo,
    I was accused of the fact that the Church teaches that one can't be cured of homosexuality. Has the Church defined anything on this subject? What does science say about this?

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    1. @anon4:09
      The Church has not defined whether or not homosexuality is curable. I believe that it is curable but difficult. For a great read on the science, go to:
      https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF18E83.PDF

      —-Introibo

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    2. This is one example why belief in psychiatry is evil.

      "Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth."
      [1 Timothy 4:3]

      If you forbid someone to marry on the pretext you think he's homosexual, even if it is on the advice of a shrink you think so, you are giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils,

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    3. Hans,
      I don’t know of any psychologist who would suggest sodomites not to marry—as long as it’s to another sodomite! Psychology does have good uses. It’s bad when people make it their religion. See my post:

      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-religion-of-psychology.html?m=1

      —-Introibo

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    4. I meant marry as in marry.

      Two sodomite men "married" would certainly not be married in the Biblical sense, and they would - up to divorce - even be forbidden to marry.

      I can say this, as a Swede : all of us got a certain paper called Amos - weekly? mothly? - distributed, as it is the paper of the Swedish Lutheran former State Church.

      A bit like in Catholic countries, the curate would visit all in his parish, geographically speaking, even those who were not Catholic.

      Now, Sw. Ch. is fairly "rainbow". This means, they once featured a story about the Lutheran Jonas Gardell and the Catholic Mark Levengood. They knew a lesbian couple. The story was, Gardell had a son with one of the women. He spent part time with "two fathers" and part time with "two mothers". Since then, Mark Levengood has a daughter with the other woman.

      Obviously, it occurred to me, a partner exchange involving real parents of same child being together sounds a good idea. If they don't want it, their problem, I am not trying to make it worse.

      But if they do, did or one day will want it, my point is, it is not for the Church to say "no you can't, you are homosexuals".

      On helgon.net - which is not a homo site, but definitely a more homo tolerant than Christianity tolerant site, where I was arguing "for the opposition" - a sodomite man who clearly did not have a child told me, there is a thing like artificial insemination. If they had that big a horror for the natural intercourse, it would perhaps not be a good idea, but that is obviously not the only possibility. One can be, not just bisexual, but predominantly homosexual without having a total horror of it. Strictly bi = Kinsey 3 (anything below is predominantly heterosexual). Totally could not have normal intercourse = Kinsey 7. There are degrees between.

      And for these, there is no obligation to remain celibate, and I mean it in the perfectly Catholic sense of marriage.

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  12. If there is no contradiction between faith and science, why does faith say homosexuality is a sin while science says homosexuality is natural and not a disease (since 1973)?

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    1. @anon1:56
      In brief, two points:
      1. The "normalization of sodomy" was POLITICAL not scientific. The biggest lie is that homosexuality is normal because you are "born that way" and therefore it is from God. See my post http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/12/made-this-way.html

      2. Let's suppose that homosexuality, ad arguendo, is natural. That doesn't make it MORAL. Science can't tell us what is good or bad. For example, it is natural to get angry when provoked, is it not? I was with an attorney once who was such a jerk (way too nice a term for him) I wanted to beat him within an inch of his life. If I had acted on my impulse (normal) it nevertheless would have been both sinful (immoral) and landed me in jail (illegal). It is normal to have sexual desires for the opposite sex. That doesn't mean that a man raping a woman is moral.

      Science tells us NOTHNG about morality, any more than it can tell us for what politician you should cast your vote.

      ---Introibo

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