A few weeks back, I wrote a post concerning the vocation of the single life, a much maligned and misunderstood state of life. (See introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2020/12/single-minded-devotion.html). I explained how the Church teaches that all are called to one of four vocations: the priesthood, the religious life (nuns, brothers, monks), the married state, and the single state. In this post, I will discuss the joys and trials of the married vocation; an institution under greater attack than at any other point in history. Of the four vocations, only Holy Matrimony and Holy Orders are Sacraments instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Unfortunately, Matrimony is not given the respect and recognition due to a Sacrament by most individuals and by society in general. As of this writing, the United States (along with many other countries--some even strongly Catholic before Vatican II) recognize the coupling of sodomites as "marriage." They dare to sully with the name "marriage" two perverts committing acts against God and nature. On another front of attack, how many times have I heard men denigrate their wives as their "ball and chain" and women insulting their husbands as "the jerk at home." Such appellations, whether done in jest or seriously, cast aspersions upon marriage. Not least of all, we have Jorge Bergoglio allowing "communion" from his sect to be given to divorced and "remarried" adulterers. Good marriages are the backbone of any civilization, especially those that aim to be Christian. With this in mind, I will discuss the married vocation as it is taught by the Church.
(For the material on the sacramental and dogmatic aspects of Holy Matrimony, I have used theologian Schleck, The Sacrament of Matrimony, [1963] and theologian Riley, Sanctity and Success in Marriage, [1956]. For the practical aspects of marriage, I have used the personal correspondence between myself and Fr. Gommar A. DePauw, JCD (my spiritual father); a pre-Vatican II approved canonist who counseled me when I started thinking about the possibility of marriage at some point in my future. At the time, he also had 60 years of counseling couples in preparation for the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony, and in helping them with the difficulties they faced. I also reference the notes of a great Traditionalist priest (ordained pre-Vatican II), with whom I happened to meet and speak with around that same time. Both have since gone to Judgement. If you get anything worthwhile from this post, please say a prayer for the repose of the souls of these two magnificent priests.---Introibo).
Matrimony: Natural and Sacramental
1. Matrimony was ordained by God for the perpetuation of the Human Race since Creation.
Sacred Scripture tells us that marriage came to us as a design of the Creator. The account in the Book of Genesis explicitly teaches that the union of man and woman in marriage was instituted by God. In the account, the rib is mentioned in order to show the identity of nature in Adam and Eve and to give point to the doctrine on marriage. It seems to have been the mind of the sacred writer to explain the religious mystery and origin and distinction of the sexes within the same human nature, with a view to their reunion in marriage, and this as the design of God Himself. It also shows that the man is called to be the head of the family unit, and the woman its heart.
The Catechism of the Council of Trent cites to this event in Genesis as proof that marriage was Divinely instituted:
The faithful, therefore, are to be taught in the first place that marriage was instituted by God. We read in Genesis that God created them male and female, and blessed them, saying: "Increase and multiply"; and also: "It is not good for man to be alone: let us make him a help like unto himself.,' And a little further on: But for Adam there was not found a helper like himself. Then the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon Adam; and when he was fast asleep, he took one of his ribs, and filled up flesh for it. And the Lord God built a rib which he took from Adam. into a woman, and brought her to Adam; and Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man: wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall be two in one flesh," These words, according to the authority of our Lord Himself, as we read in St. Matthew, prove the divine institution of Matrimony.
2. Matrimony was raised to the status of a Sacrament by Our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Council of Trent infallibly decreed:
CANON I-- If anyone says that matrimony is not truly and properly one of the seven sacraments of the evangelical law, instituted by Christ the Lord, but has been devised by men in the Church and does not confer grace, let him be anathema.
The main argument for the sacramentality of Christian marriage is derived by the Council of Trent from the teaching of the early writers of the Church, from the early Councils, and from the universal belief and practice of the Church. Sacred Tradition, we know, contains many doctrines revealed by Christ and taught by the Apostles which were not committed in writing to the pages of the New Testament. It is impossible to state precisely when our Blessed Lord made marriage a Sacrament. Some theologians teach that He did so on the occasion of the marriage feast at Cana. Other theologians are of the opinion that marriage was raised to sacramental dignity when Christ promulgated the indissolubility of marriage. Yet still other theologians teach that marriage was made a Sacrament by our Divine Lord during the period of the forty days between His Resurrection and Ascension when, as the Acts of the Apostles says, He frequently spoke to His disciples "of the kingdom of God."
4. Marriage is a state that is good, holy, and praiseworthy.
In his encyclical Arcanum Divinae, Pope Leo XIII taught:
Marriage has God for its Author, and was from the very beginning a kind of foreshadowing of the Incarnation of His Son; and therefore there abides in it a something holy and religious; not extraneous, but innate; not derived from men, but implanted by nature. Innocent III, therefore, and Honorius III, our predecessors, affirmed not falsely nor rashly that a sacrament of marriage existed ever amongst the faithful and unbelievers... As, then, marriage is holy by its own power, in its own nature, and of itself, it ought not to be regulated and administered by the will of civil rulers, but by the divine authority of the Church, which alone in sacred matters professes the office of teaching. (para. #19; Emphasis mine).
Heretics have always assailed marriage as an evil to be avoided or merely tolerated. Hence, the Encratities forbade marriage (See 1 Timothy 4:1-3); the Gnostics rejected matter and exalted spirit, holding matrimony in disrepute; Montanists forbade widows and widowers to enter second marriages; and Pricillianists, who taught matter inherently evil, outright condemned matrimony. All those teachings were condemned by the Church. However, it must be remembered:
- Matrimony is not necessary for salvation
- No one is obliged to choose the marital vocation
- Marriage is inferior to the more excellent states of virginity and celibacy
CANON X.-If any one saith, that the marriage state is to be placed above the state of virginity, or of celibacy, and that it is not better and more blessed to remain in virginity, or in celibacy, than to be united in matrimony; let him be anathema.
Sacramental Theology of Holy Matrimony
1. Matter, Form, Minister, and Intention
Although never defined, it is the certain teaching of the theologians (following such greats as Bellarmine and Suarez) that the matter and form are contained in the marriage contract. (See theologian Pohle, Dogmatic Theology, [1924], 11:165-167). The contract and Sacrament are inseparable. When the baptized couple enter into a lifelong indissoluble contract giving rights over each others' body, the words or signs of consent are the matter insofar as they signify the mutual surrender of bodies, and its form insofar as it signifies the acceptance of same. As a logical corollary, the couple are the ministers of the Sacrament to each other, and the priest functions as the necessary witness of the Church. Traditionalist Catholics who attempt to contract marriage before a civil official or a clergyman of a false sect are not validly married since members of the One True Church are bound to get married in the canonical form prescribed by the Church.
In addition, for a valid Sacramental marriage between Traditionalist Catholics, both validly baptized parties must have at least an implicit virtual intention to enter into a marriage contract. The female must be at least 14 years of age and the male 16 years of age. Just as the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist does not consist in the consecration alone, but continues as a Sacrament as long as the species of bread and wine remain, so too, according to this view taught by numerous theologians, Matrimony as a Sacrament does not consist in the wedding rite alone, but continues as a Sacrament as long as the marital bond remains. Pope Pius XI seems to give his authoritative approval of this view in his encyclical Casti Connubii :
Let them constantly keep in mind, that they have been sanctified and strengthened for the duties and for the dignity of their state by a special Sacrament, the efficacious power of which, although it does not impress a character, is undying. To this purpose we may ponder over the words, full of real comfort, of holy Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, who with other well known theologians with devout conviction thus expresses himself: 'The Sacrament of Matrimony can be regarded in two ways: first, in the making, and then in its permanent state. For it is a Sacrament like to that of the Eucharist, which not only when it is being conferred, but also whilst it remains, is a Sacrament; for as long as the married parties are alive, so long is their union a Sacrament of Christ and the Church.(para. #110)
From the doctrine of the sacramental nature of every valid marriage contracted by baptized persons, it follows that two baptized non-Catholics may not only enter a true marriage, but even receive the Sacrament of Matrimony. Two unbaptized people who are free to marry are capable of contracting a true and valid marriage. Of course, such a marriage will not be sacramental, for no one is ever capable of receiving any other Sacrament unless first the character of Baptism has been imprinted on his soul. A natural, non-Sacramental marriage can only be dissolved by the Pauline Privilege (e.g., two validly married Jews wherein one converts to the True Church and the other will not leave them in peace. In such a case, the Church may dissolve the marriage).
2. Properties of Sacramental Marriage
(a) Unity. Marriage is monogamous. Polygamy and polyandry are abominations. The family unit demands one husband with one wife for the raising of children. An objection often raised is the case of the Israelites who practiced bigamy. There are two solutions proposed. One states that God gave a dispensation from the Natural Law as in the case of the Pauline Privilege. (this was favored by Aquinas). However, since the time of Trent, the majority of theologians hold that since it is perfectly possible over many years since the Fall of the First Parents that secondary precepts of the Natural Law may become obscured, it seems more likely God tolerated the practice rather than gave a dispensation.
The Council of Trent infallibly decreed:
CANON II--If anyone says that it is lawful for Christians to have several wives at the same time and that this is not forbidden by any divine law, let him be anathema.
(b) Indissolubility.
A Sacramental Marriage, once ratified before the Church, and consummated by the first act of sexual intercourse thereafter (i.e., ratum et consummatum), can never be ended by anything but the death of at least one spouse. Divorce is impossible. Christ tells us there was no divorce from the beginning, and He was to restore the indissolubility of Matrimony.
In the Gospel according to St. Matthew 19:3-9, we read:
And there came to Him the Pharisees tempting him, and saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And He said: For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. They say to Him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away? He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery. (Emphasis mine).
Yet, doesn't Christ allow divorce for adultery? In a word: No. "Fornication" (or rendered "adultery" in all Protestant bibles) doesn't allow for such divorce. As theologian Pohle explains, since Christ was to elevate marriage to the way it was at the beginning, if He allowed an exception for adultery, that would mean an innocent woman would be forbidden to remarry if her husband divorced her, but if she commits adultery, they would both be free to marry again. This would be (a) an incentive to sin, and (b) making the Old Testament practice superior to the New Testament of Christ which is impossible. Correctly understood, it means you can separate bed and board for adultery and serious offences (wife beating, etc) but divorce is forbidden.
The reason for this absolute indissolubility is that only of a properly consummated Christian marriage can it be said in the full sense of the phrase that husband and wife are "two in one flesh" and that their union is a perfect symbol of Christ's mystic union with His Church, consummated by the Incarnation. (See Pohle, Ibid, pgs. 183-200).
3. Purposes of Marriage.
The primary purpose of Matrimony is the procreation and education of children. The secondary purpose is mutual help/love and support for the spouses. The Code of Canon Law (1917), Canon 1013 section 1 states, "The primary end of marriage is the procreation and education of children. It’s secondary end is mutual help and the allaying of concupiscence." The primary purpose does not imply that the wife must have as many children as she is physically capable of bearing. If this were the case, it would mean that the Church was wrong (and promoted evil) by allowing the marriages of (a) those who, through no fault of their own, were infertile, and (b) elderly widows way beyond their child-bearing years.
(For more on this issue see my post introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/10/multiplication-problems.html).
4. Graces of the Sacrament.
According to theologian Schleck, Matrimony (1) increases sanctifying grace, and (2) gives a right to receive actual graces, which God bestows, to aid a spouse whenever needed for fulfillment of the duties inherent in the vocation of Matrimony. (See Schleck, pgs. 197-198).
Discerning a Vocation to the Marital State
Pope Pius XI warned about things you must avoid when considering marriage:
To the proximate preparation of a good married life belongs very specially the care in choosing a partner; on that depends a great deal whether the forthcoming marriage will be happy or not, since one may be to the other either a great help in leading a Christian life, or, a great danger and hindrance. And so that they may not deplore for the rest of their lives the sorrows arising from an indiscreet marriage, those about to enter into wedlock should carefully deliberate in choosing the person with whom henceforward they must live continually: they should, in so deliberating, keep before their minds the thought first of God and of the true religion of Christ, then of themselves, of their partner, of the children to come, as also of human and civil society, for which wedlock is a fountain head. Let them diligently pray for divine help, so that they make their choice in accordance with Christian prudence, not indeed led by the blind and unrestrained impulse of lust, nor by any desire of riches or other base influence, but by a true and noble love and by a sincere affection for the future partner; and then let them strive in their married life for those ends for which the State was constituted by God.(See Casti Connubii, para. #115; Emphasis mine).
As always, pray to God for His guidance in discerning the vocation He has chosen for you. Marriage is unique insofar as you will either be in a good marriage and be very happy, or you will end up in a bad marriage and be very miserable. There really is no in-between. The reason is clear. In marriage, you need to work with your partner and God's grace to make it successful, and there is no guarantee the other person will be willing to work with you. In the priesthood and the religious life (especially in a time of sedevacante) you can always work things out with your order/bishop or continue on your own if needed. As a single person, you need not work with anyone but your boss at work and God. Marriage takes two--always.
Here are some wrong reasons to want to get married:
- desiring to have sex and keep a good reputation
- wanting to be like your friends who are married
- pressure from parents and relatives
- not to be looked upon as "odd" after a certain age
- using it as a "fall back" position if denied entrance into a convent or seminary
- because you are lonely
Choosing a Spouse
If you decide the marital vocation is for you, the choice of a spouse is of paramount importance. You must have a union on three levels, physical, mental, and spiritual.
- Physically: There must be attraction, but don't mistake infatuation or lust for love. Anyone who has a reputation for sleeping around, or who has cheated on a former boyfriend/girlfriend should never be considered. Do they take reasonable good care of their body? You might want to think twice about considering as a spouse someone who drinks to excess or smokes. A drug addict should be shown the door to leave. Differences in ethnic/racial background and/or age can be problematic--be wary of a large age difference (usually more than ten years). Are you being pressured for sex? Were/Are they into any sexual perversions or approve of sodomites and/or transgenders?
- Mentally: Do you have comparable intelligence and education? If not, you will have a hard time finding mutual interests. It's not necessarily a "deal breaker," but rarely will a highly educated professional have enough in common with a person who has little education and a blue collar job. Do you have similar artistic tastes, and like the same activities? Do you have the same view towards work and money? You can't expect to marry your "opposite sex double" who thinks exactly like you, but having common interests, goals, and outlooks is very important.
- Spiritually: This is most important of the three. Is the person a Traditionalist? Since finding a member of the One True Church is not as easy as before the Great Apostasy, most Traditionalist clergy will more readily allow mixed marriages as long as the promises are signed as per Canon Law (they must swear not to interfere with your religious practice, and agree that all children will be raised in the True Church exclusively). Are they willing to convert? Open to going to Mass with you? Are you morally certain the promises will be kept? Do they understand sedevacantism, especially if a member of the Vatican II sect? Do they ever dabble in the occult? Will they pressure you in going to their sect in the name of "fairness"? Is the person considered virtuous by you and most others?
Other significant things to consider:
- Ask your parents and close friends what they think. They can often be more objective than you in assessing someone you are considering marrying
- Do they have a steady job and show maturity and responsibility?
- Beware of anyone who keeps secrets or gets caught in a lie
- Abusive behavior towards you in any form (mental, emotional, or physical) should be someone from whom you walk away and never look back
- Do they have children out of wedlock?
- Were they married invalidly (by a civil judge, etc)? Why did the marriage fail?
- You have a life-long partner to come home to and share everything. They can help you achieve eternal salvation by their prayers, sacrifices, and good example
- You have support in difficult times
- You bring new life into the world and help them to become future citizens of Heaven by raising them to know, love, and serve God in His One True Church
- Children can support you in your old age if you get sickly, instead of going into a nursing home
- You may have positive relationships with your spouse's family members
- You will rarely, if ever, be lonely
- If your spouse leaves you, or if you are forced by abuse to separate bed and board, you can never remarry as long as your spouse lives, but must remain celibate. A civil divorce in such a case would cause irreparable damage to any children--as all divorce is harmful, especially to children
- Raising children, especially in today's anti-Christian, neo-pagan environment is very difficult. It is hard to keep them on the straight path to Heaven, and God will hold you responsible for their upbringing. Many times both spouses need to work, making raising good Traditionalist children even harder.
- If there is no Traditionalist school, and homeschooling is not an option, children must go to pagan public schools (schools of false sects are even worse, and you cannot send them to receive false doctrines)
- Your life is not your own. Your children come first, your spouse second, and you are last. This means little individual freedom to pursue hobbies, interests, spend time with friends, etc. Often family considerations will prevent vacations, the ability to change jobs, or pursue advanced education
- You may not get along with your spouse's family
- You most likely will have to work more and retire later
- You need to be able to work with your spouse. If he/she is unwilling, constant fighting will inevitably occur
I have never lived in a union with a girl in school and I do not have a wife now that I am approaching my mid-forties. I haven't really looked for one either because I'm a lonely type guy. If it is to continue like this, so be it, even though I sometimes find it frustrating that I haven't had a wife in my life.
ReplyDeleteMany of the false V2 clergy and the current false pope have a good opinion of sodomite unions. I wouldn't be surprised if they ever allow "sodomite marriage". This sect is so wicked, there is no limit how far it can descend into abomination.
Simon,
DeleteWith "Fr" James Martin in good graces with Bergoglio, sodomite "marriage" might somehow become "acknowledged" sooner than most think!
As to your vocation, I didn't get married until my 40s, so keep praying and looking with resignation to God's Will.
God Bless,
---Introibo
@Simon,
DeleteI've been in a living Hell,dead,cold,lifeless so called "marriage" for 2 decades.
It's better to be alone,try to enjoy it if possible.
Spend your next vacation at the monastery in Silver City New Mexico or
some other type of travel.
I've never done anything right,made everything mistake possible,had selfish abusive cruel parents,and naturally
"married" the worst person possible.
Traditional catholic Priest's and 2 Bishop's told me my so called marriage in the novus ordo is valid yet I can not receive an annulment in the novus ordo.
That sounds illogical and almost like God is bound + determined to make people suffer and hate everything about their life.
If anyone is single and reading this,love yourself and do NOT marry anyone without serious pre-marriage counseling for at least 7 months,especially if your parents abused you.
@anon5:18
DeleteMy prayers and sympathy to you. Being in a bad marriage is a huge cross to bear. God is not "determined to make people suffer and hate everything about their life." Nothing happens without God's permissive Will, and when we don't understand why He permits (not causes) something to happen, let us remember to pray with resignation, "God knows better." Handle your situation with faith and hope in God, and one day this will all make sense in light of eternity.
Your advice not to marry anyone without serious pre-marriage counseling is good advice (whether or not the person was abused). I would suggest one year with a priest (and consulting family members too) for those under 35. Over 35, at least 6 months.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Do you have any advice for someone who married in the Novus Ordo, along with their spouse, both of whom at the time were convinced it was the Catholic Faith, but one of the spouses has since converted to Traditional Catholicism, which the other spouse rejects, and so it's a very unhappy situation?
ReplyDeleteSay lots of Rosaries for her.
DeleteNot That Guy,
DeleteIt's complex. What made the one convert, but not the other? Prayer is of paramount importance. Pray and offer sacrifices for her (including having Masses offered). WHY she didn't convert is key.
If it is intellectual she can be brought around more easily than if its because she wants to remain in good graces with her family and friends. Human respect is a dangerous obstacle to God's grace. If you have more specifics, I can give a more precise answer.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Tom,
DeleteAbsolutely!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Not That Guy
DeleteWow! That’s me. I bear the cross. That’s all I have so far. No other advice because I’m up to my neck (or maybe better, over my head) with the same situation.
Minor comment...
ReplyDeletebut I feel there is something a bit off in imputing 'ball and chain' type comments, as this sort of attitude is actually a hangover from the more sensible, traditional culture which respected and honoured marriage. It is grounded in real life and experience. Today when marriage is really considered to be limiting, the po-faced purveyors of the view are full of unrealistic garbage concerning the nature of a long-term relationship. I think this sort of ribbing goes (somehow, i mean as a matter of fact it does) with the honouring of the institution- it shows it is strong enough to be joked about at least.
Green R,
DeleteYour point is well taken. Making such comments may not be bad in all cases.Thank you for commenting!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Green R,
DeleteI respectfully disagree with you and Introibo on this, in both order of fact and of morals.
In order of fact: Based on the Oxford English Dictionary (https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/261231), the earliest known use of "ball and chain" with regards to matrimony goes back to 1855 as part of a larger extended metaphor; however, it doesn't enter common parlance as slang for one's spouse until the 1920s (which hardly strikes me as being grounded in a sensible culture that honored marriage).
In order of morals: the origin of the phrase is tied to an actual method of imprisonment, wherein a metal ball was chained to the ankle of a prisoner to inhibit any escape attempts (though I believe this type of shackle has since been phased out of most jurisdictions in America). The tying of marriage (or one's spouse; usually the wife in modern parlance, in my experience) to this method of imprisonment implies:
- That marriage is a form of punishment (which risks engendering an attitude of insubordination towards lawful authority, since imprisonment as a criminal sentence can only be handed down by a judge with proper jurisdiction);
- That the person being married committed a 'crime' worth being punished for (as compared to willingly entering into a legal contract and lawful covenant with someone);
- That your spouse is nothing more than an impediment and a means of keeping you chained down (as compared to being a helpmate).
At the very least, following the cue of McHugh and Callan's "Moral Theology", we have the following from paragraph 892.b. (asterisks are emphasis mine): "892. Unlike God, creatures are subject to imperfections, moral or physical, and thus it is not always erroneous or blasphemous to attribute imperfections to the Saints or sacred things...(b) If sacred persons or things [Of which the Sacrament of Matrimony is, of itself, a sacred thing. - ASM] are criticized precisely on account of their human or finite imperfections, real or alleged, **the sin of irreverence is committed**, when the criticism is prompted by malice or **levity**. No sin at all is committed, if one is stating facts with due respect for the character of the persons or things spoken of. Examples: To call a Doctor of the Church an ignoramus out of anger at a theological opinion defended by him, would be of itself a serious sin of disrespect. To speak of a Saint as a dirty tramp or idle visionary, if the intention is to insult, is also a serious sin of disrespect. But, if one were to say in joke that St. Peter was a baldhead, St. Charles Borromeo a big nose, the sin of irreverence would be only slight. No sin would be committed, if one, describing a religious painting from the artistic standpoint, called it an abomination."
Thus, I distinguish as follows: to refer to a particular spouse (whether yours or someone else's) as a "ball and chain" would be a sin of irreverence (at *minimum*) in *most* cases, with the sole exception (as far as I can tell, based on the above) being wherein the term is used to describe (by way of metaphor) *objectively bad behavior* by the spouse in question. (This, of course, is entirely separate from the reality that modern views on marriage are incredibly skewed from the true nature of the sacrament, but the point remains.)
Lastly, as a separate matter, I disagree with the idea that the ribbing of something *should* increase (which is different from acknowledging that such ribbing *does* tend to increase in point of fact, which I think is what you were asserting) as an institution increases in honor. To take this to the logical extreme, God - who is omnipotent - can therefore be joked about more readily than other things, when the contrary is evidenced from Scripture, Tradition, and legal precedence: as an entity increases in honor or authority, the graver any act of disrespect becomes towards said entity.
Sincerely,
A Simple Man
A Simple Man,
DeleteIt's not often I rethink an issue and "reverse my reversal" of opinion. This is one such case!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thankyou Introibo for a wonderful post
DeleteSimple Man- I wasn't thinking of the specific phrase, but the 'type'. And what I was thinking of was the stories for example of Boccaccio and Chaucer, which is full of this sort of sentiment (though not in a heavy manner) whilst also at other times and more seriosuly honouring the sacrament of marriage. Perhaps memory fails, but i am pretty sure there is a lot of this sort of thing in those authors..
I suppose i wasn't approaching this from the point of view of moral philosophy (luckily, since i *am* an ignoramous), in which i certainly would not expect irreverent levity to be treated very generaously. I was making the point that *as a matter of fact* (i think anyway, without being able to explain why) these sorts of jokes are present where the institution is respected. Introibo notes some of the potential 'sorrows' of marriage for eg. Aren't such common expressions modes of expressing the same thing, only humourously? Humour has perhaps little space in moral philosphy- but it does in common life. It seems to have a very important place. And of course where nobody need sacrifice anything but think only of himself (and the partner broadly agrees with this)- where is the potential onerousness of the relation? It *shouldn't* even exist- a relationship is simply a way of pursuing ones own will. I actually think levity toward the saints is also present. With such things tone is extremely important but in levity what *can* shine through is affection and love-real proximity, and what one really makes fun of is essentially oneself: I do think my wife and I are truly 'one flesh'- also if i make such comments to my wife it is understood that i certainly think the opposite, and by saying so i am actually affirming the opposite.
DeleteI have a question about the Sacrament of Baptism.
ReplyDeleteThrough Baptism, the virtue of faith is infused into the soul. The virtue of faith is the accept by a mind for the truths revealed by God. Babies don't have the use of mind yet. So do babies, who get baptized have a faith?
Thank you.
God bless you
The purpose of Baptism is to remove the stain of Original sin from the soul.
DeleteConfirmation readies the Baptized Catholic to understand, spread and defend the Faith.
Thanks,
Jannie
To anon@5:43 AM,
DeletePer the old Catholic Encyclopedia's entry on baptism, under the subheading 'Baptism of infants': "To the objection that baptism requires faith, theologians reply that adults must have faith, but infants receive habitual faith, which is infused into them in the sacrament of regeneration. As to actual faith, they believe on the faith of another; as St. Augustine (De Verb. Apost., xiv, xviii) beautifully says: "He believes by another, who has sinned by another.""
Furthermore, as St. Thomas says in ST III, q. 69, a. 6, in response to the objection that children do not receive graces and virtues in baptism: "Some of the early writers held that children do not receive grace and virtues in Baptism, but that they receive the imprint of the character of Christ, by the power of which they receive grace and virtue when they arrive at the perfect age. But this is evidently false, for two reasons. First, because children, like adults, are made members of Christ in Baptism; hence they must, of necessity, receive an influx of grace and virtues from the Head. Secondly, because, if this were true, children that die after Baptism, would not come to eternal life; since according to Romans 6:23, "the grace of God is life everlasting." And consequently Baptism would not have profited them unto salvation. Now the source of their error was that they did not recognize the distinction between habit and act. And so, seeing children to be incapable of acts of virtue, they thought that they had no virtues at all after Baptism. But this inability of children to act is not due to the absence of habits, but to an impediment on the part of the body: thus also when a man is asleep, though he may have the habits of virtue, yet is he hindered from virtuous acts through being asleep."
Per Sacrae Theologiae Summa IVA (imprimatur 1956), Treatise II (On...Baptism and Confirmation), Book I, Chapter V, the effects of baptism are listed as follows:
- Spiritual regeneration to a wholly new life, which takes place through grace.
- The remission of all sins, including original sin and any actual sins committed up to that point (although concupiscence remains).
- Incorporation into the Mystical Body of Christ.
- The imprinting of a certain sacramental character which enables one to actively participate in the character of Christ Himself, configured to Christ the Priest as to serve Christ the King (in the sense of the priesthood of all believers, which is separate - in both degree, category, and capacity - from the sacramental priesthood conferred by Holy Orders).
Sincerely,
A Simple Man
Simple Man,
DeleteThank you for supplying the precise and correct answer! I can't always answer until the end of my day.
Jannie,
Thank you for pointing out Confirmation as the growth in acquired virtue after infusion by Baptism.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Another anon. I thought faith is infused in baptism, even in babies?
Delete@anon7:16
DeleteYes. Neither A Simple Man or myself stated otherwise.
"infants receive habitual faith, which is infused into them in the sacrament of regeneration. As to actual faith, they believe on the faith of another; as St. Augustine (De Verb. Apost., xiv, xviii) beautifully says: "He believes by another, who has sinned by another.""--Taken from the citation of A Simple Man above.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo & ASM,
ReplyDeleteI am going to go on a rant regarding marriage. I have been married 35 yrs. A marriage may start out good and proceed into a living hell. Especially if one partner descends into the dregs of drugs or alcohol. People change over time. Some for the better and some for the worse. The partner who has to put up with things such as drugs, alcohol or gambling, etc., ends up sacrificing for someone who has descended into hell and makes a living hell for their partner. Through no fault of the innocent partner they are plunged into a devil's abbess and expected to put up with the offending spouse or divorce bed and board. They are thus relegated to living a life of a celebite through no cause or fault of their own. I don't understand how the Church can have a "one sized fits all" attitude and law regarding divorce and remarriage. I can't accept that God expects me to continue to suffer in this living hell which I did not cause, but am a victim. Thus, I am not afraid of going to hell because everyday I wake up in a living hell!! I wasted the best yrs of my life on a man who cares nothing for anyone or anything but his addictions and the Church tells me no divorce just be celibate in a divorce from bed and board!! How dare the Church tell me what to do with and in and to this sham of a marriage when the majority of it's Priests are sexual predators. Even predators in the SSPX has been reported and uncovered lately. I know my rant will be rebuked and I will be set straight as to Church teaching, but at least I am being honest and not a hypocrite!!
JoAnn
Good evening JoAnn,
Delete"Thus, I am not afraid of going to hell because everyday I wake up in a living hell!!" Regardless of what you may feel, this statement utterly trivializes the true horrors and pains of Hell. It is a state of the greatest and most complete misfortune; those who suffer eternal damnation in Hell have no joy whatsoever, and it would have been better for them if they had never been born (Matthew 26:24).
Even if you weren't being serious (and were typing out of frustration), please don't say such things. I beg you.
"I don't understand how the Church can have a "one sized fits all" attitude and law regarding divorce and remarriage." Because the Church is obedient to the words of Our Lord and Savior ("What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder." - Matthew 19:6), Who insisted on the indissolubility of the marital bond, for a valid marriage is sacramentally instituted by God upon the consent of the man and woman, and thus is not within the power of either party (husband or wife) to dissolve of their own power. In essence, it is equivalent to someone who (wishing to apostatize) says they no longer consent to being baptized: they are unable to remove the baptismal character sacramentally imprinted on their souls by their own power. The same goes with the sacramental bond of a ratified marriage.
"How dare the Church tell me what to do with and in and to this sham of a marriage when the majority of it's Priests are sexual predators." Given the current state of things, this can only refer to the Novus Ordo (and not to the scattered traditional apostolates), because I certainly don't think the Novus Ordo would have an issue giving you an "annulment" (which would certainly be invalid). That the sinful behavior and actions of many clergy serve as a scandal to others has been true throughout history (and this is also why their scandal, given their putative authority, will reflect all the more seriously on them at their final judgment).
I would offer the following for your consideration, in light of your frustrations with the man who is your husband (and has been behaving in an apparently unworthy manner for many years): consider also how unfaithful so many erstwhile 'Christians' have been towards Jesus Christ. Consider how our sins add to His pains, and how our betrayals and infidelity pain Him, Who loves us so dearly and so completely. From a natural, merely human perspective, who would blame Him for rejecting us outright?
And yet, He went to the Cross, to die a most brutal and excruciating death for us, to offer us the chance for everlasting happiness in Heaven, in virtue of His merits and His sufferings; so long as we live, there is always a chance for us to return to Him with contrite and repentant hearts.
The testimony of Scripture, of Tradition, and of the saints regarding the merits earned through temporal sufferings (however great they subjectively seem to us), offered in union with the sufferings of Christ, are practically innumerable. (One example which comes to mind is that of St. Monica, the mother of St. Augustine of Hippo; I highly recommend reading about her life if you haven't by now.)
I cannot speak for the particulars of the pains you've endured; what I can say is that Christ has experienced all this and more, and yet He continued all the way to the Cross out of gratuitous, undeserved, merciful love for us wretched creatures; whatever pains you have, they are not beyond your ability to bear, and will contribute evermore towards heavenly glory if offered up out of love for Christ (as exposited so clearly by St. Augustine in this homily on St. Matthew's Gospel: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/160320.htm)
I hope this helps.
Sincerely,
A Simple Man
Joann,
DeleteI echo the words and sentiments of Simple Man, but I also write to you because I know you are a good woman. You have been one of my most faithful commenters for years. You are very upset, and who doesn't get upset at life's hardships at one point or another?
I'm asking all my readers to pray for you (as I already pray for my readers daily, and some readers in particular when they need them). We are here to offer our sincere prayers that you persevere in the Truth, and one day you will see how everything works out for the best in the light of eternity.
God Bless,
---Introibo
ASM,
DeleteChrist is God Man. I, however, am not God Woman, not anyway close. I cannot redeem any one by being a martyr as I am only a human being and not God. I was called to be a wife and my husband can't or won't fullfill his husbandly duties and I am the one suffering, being neglected and sinned against. Yet I am told I must put up with it!! I am tired of being the Church's in glutton for punishment!! I am at least being honest and not a fake hypocrite. People in the Church need to get real!!
JoAnn
Introibo and ASM,
ReplyDeleteI wonder if I was a man on here voicing the same grievances, if I would be treated more emphatically? Women are just supposed to put up and shut up with whatever man dishes out!!
Also, how can you know for a fact what hell is like, ASM. Have you been there?? I am in a living hell each and every day and neither Church or people can help me except to say because I evidently made a mistake and married the wrong man, I have no choice but to remain married or celibate with no choice for happiness. It is not right. I am a human being with God given desires and wants and needs yet I am basically told because I made a mistake I can't fullfill my God given wants, needs, etc., but need to repress and depress them. Doing so is what makes people into sickos. Get real!!
JoAnn
Joann,
DeleteMen and women must abide by God's Law equally. A friend of mine from Church had his wife leave him for another man in 1989. He's been living alone and celibate ever since (she is still alive). He is not a "sicko" nor will he become one for keeping God's Law when it is very difficult to do so.
---Introibo
@Jo Ann
DeleteI'm a man + I received the same answer.
Read the response to Simon via 1st comment.
Life is hard for Male and Female,albeit in different ways.
I'm a Man in a very bad marriage and have several depressing things from my past that are crushing me.
You're not the only one suffering and the Church treats us with the same standards.
Have a Holy Sacrifice of the Mass offered for yourself asap and go to confession weekly.
I love you as my catholic sister even though you are older than me.(I was a small child when you all got married going by 35 yrs of marriage.
Still you are my catholic sister.)
I will pray for you.
God bless you JoAnn
Introibo,
ReplyDeleteSorry for my rantings, but I am so tired of being around people who stuff their feelings, deny their feelings or just won't talk about feelings. Feelings are God given and I refuse to deny or stuff them and become sick as a result. I don't understand why people are so afraid of feelings?? We all have them to one degree or another!! I hope I am not accused of losing my reasoning ability by speaking frankly??!!
JoAnn
Joann,
DeleteNo one accused you of losing your reasoning, as if you were insane. Yes, it's normal to have feelings. When I get cut off in Manhattan, I feel angry and would like to beat the driver to a pulp. Luckily, I never act upon it. We shouldn't always act upon our feelings but pray and reflect upon those feelings when they are not so raw. In so doing, we will behave in the best possible way.
---Introibo
Introibo,
DeleteI have been accused of losing my reasoning previously on here. Just hoping it didn't happen again!
My emotions are too raw to be on here. I am Italian and Irish!! Lol
JoAnn
JoAnn,
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what you are going through but we cannot compare it to hell, even it be exaggerated out of frustration.
Examples: From the book "Hell" by Fr. F.X. Schouppe
"The Venerable Bede speaks of a rich inhabitant of Northumberland, whom the sight of Hell changed after a like fashion into a new man. He was called Trithelmus, and he led a worldly life, pretty much like that of the wicked rich man of the Gospel. God, by an exceptional mercy, granted him a vision, in which He showed him the eternal pains of the damned. Having come back to himself again, Trithelmus confessed all his sins, distributed all his wealth to the poor, and went into a monastery, where he put no bounds to his austerities and penances. In winter he stood in the freezing water; in summer he endured the burden of heat and toil; he practiced vigorous fasts and continued his mortifications to the last stage of his life. When he was spoken to about diminishing his penances, he would reply, "If you had seen, like me, the pains of Hell, you would talk otherwise." "But how can you keep up such severe mortifications?" "I count them as nothing beside the pains of Hell, which I have deserved by my sins."
"The sight of a soul that falls into Hell is of itself alone an incomparable pain. St. Margaret Mary, as her history relates, beheld the apparition of one of her sisters in religion, recently deceased. That sister implored her prayers and suffrages; she was suffering cruelly in Purgatory. "See," she said to St. Margaret, "the bed I lie on, where I am enduring intolerable pains." I saw that bed, writes the saint, and it still makes me shudder; it was bristling with sharp and fiery spikes which entered the flesh. The deceased added that she was suffering this torture for her sloth and negligence in observing the rule. "This is not all," she said again; "My heart is torn in my bosom to punish my murmurs against my superiors; my tongue is eaten by worms for my words contrary to charity and my breaches of silence. But all this is a small matter in comparison with another pain which God made me experience; although it did not last long, it was more painful to me than all my sufferings." The saint, having desired to know what this dire pain was, she replied, "God showed me one of my near female relatives who had died in a state of mortal sin sentenced by the Supreme Judge and dashed into Hell. That sight caused me a fright, horror, pain that no tongue could communicate."
A holy priest was exorcising a demonic, and he asked the demon what pains he was suffering in Hell. "An eternal fire," he answered, "an eternal malediction, an eternal rage, and a frightful despair at being never able to gaze upon Him who created me." "What would you do to have the happiness of seeing God?" "To see Him but for one moment, I should willingly consent to endure my torments for 10,000 years. But vain desires! I shall suffer forever and never see Him!"
Lee
Lee,
DeleteNow during Lent we must reflect on the Four Last Things (death, judgement, Heaven, and Hell) more than usual. It really does keep things in perspctive.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
DeleteI think my weakness is I think often about death, judgement, and hell but not so much on heaven (which I should). After reading the lives of the saints and the sermons of some saints, I know my goal is to get to heaven but when I realize how unworthy I am of it, it almost seems like it's impossible to reach when I think of the great things the saints did and the admonitions/instructions they give in their sermons (such as St. Alphonsus Liguori or St. John Vianney) which I so often forget and practice.
I'm not trying to discourage people (including myself) to work for it (heaven) but in all reality to get to their one must travel the narrow road that our Lord speaks about in Matt 7:13. Sometimes I wonder if I'm really on it or if I am deceived in some way and on the wrong road. I know despair is the wrong answer and a sin against the Holy Ghost and therefore I must "Spera in Deo quoniam adhuc confitebor illi salutare vultus mei et Deus meus" (Trust in God, for I shall yet praise Him, the salvation of my countenance, and my God) but truly I hope Our Lord has mercy on me a sinner.
The only certain answer to salvation that I can think of when all else fails is having a tender devotion to our lady and praying her rosary every day. I once heard Bp. McKenna say "You've heard it said that an apple a day will keep the doctor away. Well a rosary a day will keep the devil away."
Lee
Lee,
DeleteI agree with devotion to Our Lady--it is a sign of predestination. Remember these words of theologian Fr. Faber, "According to this ridged opinion [majority of Catholics are damned], if the deceased baptized infants of of the faithful, with the deceased baptized infants of heretics, added to the adult Catholics who are saved do not make a majority; and if also the statement be true that the deaths of the children of Catholics nearly equal in number--as Ruiz says--the deaths of adult Catholics, then must the number of adults who are saved, be so small that the Church of the redeemed in Heaven, the conquest of Our Savior's Precious Blood, is chiefly composed of children, of those who on Earth never merited, never loved, never used their reason at all. Is this not a conclusion so repugnant as to be inadmissible?"
Go forward with Hope, Lee!
God Bless,
---Introibo
JoAnn,
ReplyDeleteI just wanted to tell you that I really feel for you.
I don't want to go into personal details about my own life since everyone has his or her crosses to bear but I also know what it's like when family life turns into living hell. I've been robbed of my childhod, fed hatred, had strangers and wicked family ruin what was left of my parents' horrible marriage (divorce was close, Novus ordo 'annulment' also sought after). Now, I'm a nervous wreck as a result. Were it not for the True Catholic Faith, I should have been a pool of despair by know.
I'll be praying for you and for your husband, JoAnn!
Please, don't forget that there are people who care about you on this blog.
March is the month of St. Joseph, the perfect spouse of Our Blessed Lady. I've been praying the litany of St. Jospeh for some time for the needs of my brother and my mother but I'll be offering another one just for you.
Stay strong in the Faith, that's the only consolation of this wicked world!
God Bless,
Joanna S.
Joanna,
DeleteWell stated!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Great article my friend! I know for me personally this is one area in my life God has blessed me more than I deserve, even if we have problems in our marriage.
ReplyDeleteJoAnn,
Your situation sucks, and I'm sorry for what your dealing with. I'm sure the words of a stranger won't be much consolation but the life of St. Rita might bring some consolation to you. Married at a young age to an abusive, non religious and horrible husband, she prayed for years and years for his conversion. Suffering all the while the neglect, abuse and all the other horrible things like which you describe. She kept her faith and prayed everyday until I believe it was 7 years later, her husband had a true conversion.
I can't speak to your situation, I don't know why it happened to you, but know that God has great things in store for those who suffer greatly in this life. A faithful and devout wife can save a man from the depths of hell, a wife after all is the heart of a home. Keep the faith, pray for him and find some consolation in the good things God gives you in your life. Find a way to take a step back from things, if you cant find peace within yourself through Our Lord Jesus Chist, you will never be able to find it in a marriage, good or bad. Hope things work out for you.
David,
DeleteThank you for the kind words of encouragement for Joann!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Everyone,
ReplyDeleteI had peace thru Christ. I am beginning to think this man is possessed. Anything I would tell him about my childhood traumas or things I didn't like that would bother me, he would turn around and deliberately do it to me so I would get retraumatized. I wait on him hand and foot and always treat him like the Golden Rule says. He doesn't reciprocate except by not even buying me a Christmas or Birthday present. Just to watch me cry while he smiles that he has hurt me. I truly believe he is evil and perhaps possessed. Does anyone have any thoughts on possible possession. What are the signs of possession. I nursed him thru Covid and still didn't rate a thank you or a Christmas gift or birthday gift. Something is way off from being anyway normal or even human at this point.
JoAnn
Joann,
DeletePossessed, psychotic, or just plain evil, I urge you to separate bed and board if AT ALL possible. I don't usually say such unless it is truly bad--and your case qualifies.
Praying for you,
---Introibo
Introibo,
DeleteThank you!! You have no idea the hell this man has put me thru, turned my life on its head and at one point took out a life insurance policy with a suicide clause and tried to push me to the point of actually committing suicide so he could collect One Million Dollars!! This is the pure truth, unfortunately. I can't separate from him because I have no family. My parents are deceased and I am an only child with no siblings to help me. I am also without children. I am stuck with either a man possessed, or pure evil. Please pray for my situation, but I really think an exorcist is needed!! Can an exorcist help if the person is unwilling or without the person's knowledge?? I am desperate!
JoAnn
Introibo,
DeleteHe has also told me several times that "I HATE YOU, YOU are too good of a person"!! Could that be a demon talking thru him? Why hate someone for being good??
JoAnn
If I haven't been living in the next thing to hell, I don't know what you would call it. Go ahead and judge me for saying I am in a living hell. I don't expect anything less. Anybody want to trade places with me? I doubt it!!
DeleteJoAnn
Joann,
DeleteI would speak with a Traditionalist priest regarding your situation in general, and exorcism in particular.
---Introibo
Introibo,
DeleteI talked with Fr. Cekada several times when he was living. He advised me to leave and that is easier said than done especially at my age and with no family. I have just relegated myself to being stuck. Is there a particular Priest that you know in which I could talk about possible demon possession and exorcism? Could you tell me what type of things would bring on demon possession? What are the signs of demon possession? I truly don't think it is a psychosis as he works in a job that requires he has his wit's about him. He really, hates me for being a good person and has stated it vehemently to me!
Thanks for everything!
JoAnn
Introibo,
DeleteHope I am not being redundant, but whatever I am dealing with it is pure evil. What sacramentals can help me? I have a blessed St. Benedict medal. What can I place around the home?
Thanks.
JoAnn
JoAnn,
Deleteyou might find the Green Scapular particularly helpful.
The CMRI sisters have a great article about this powerful sacramental:
https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/the-green-scapular/
Here's a concise description of it (an excerpt form the article linked above):
"The Blessed Virgin told the young Sister that this scapular was not, like other scapulars, the habit of a confraternity, for it consists merely of two holy pictures on a single piece of cloth and hanging by a string. No special formula is needed to bless it, therefore, nor is any special ceremony needed to begin using it. It requires only a simple blessing by a priest. We may give Green Scapulars to souls who need the grace of conversion, asking them to wear them or carry them in their purses or wallets. If a person is not willing to accept one, a Green Scapular may even be hidden in their clothing, beds, room, or office. All that is required is that the prayer that surrounds the image of the Immaculate Heart should be recited every day for the one to whom the scapular is given. If the person is not willing to say it himself, we should say it in his place. Finally, the Green Scapular must be used with confidence. Our Lady emphasized that the graces she will grant through the Green Scapular will be in proportion to the confidence with which it is used."
The scapular is available at the Sisters' store: miqcenter.com
After all, it is Our Lady Immaculate who's trampled Satan under her foot!
God Bless,
Joanna S.
Joann,
DeleteI agree with Joanna and the Green Scapular. I know you don't live near a Traditionalist Chapel so here's what I suggest:
Get a small statue of St. Michael, a Crucifix-Medal of St Benedict, several more St Benedict medals, the Cord of St Joseph, Green Scapular, and an empty holy water bottle. Call a Traditionalist priest and ask if you can send him your items (with a return box postage paid) to be solemnly blessed and given some holy water. Send the nicest donation you can to support him.
Keep the statue of St Michael and St Benedict medals in your room. Wear the Crucifix-Medal of St. Benedict, Green Scapular, and the cord of St. Joseph. Use the holy water to bless yourself. You'll never run out if you add tap water to the holy water if the holy water is greater than 50%. The tap water becomes holy water.
Say the Prayer to St. Michael daily.
Btw, it is not true that people who are severely mentally ill (like sociopaths) cannot function in society. Those with antisocial personality disorder can do very well, and be very sick.
---Introibo
Introibo
ReplyDeleteA fine article as always.Thank you so much.
I have a question for you.How would you feel if a traditional priest was turning a blind eye to someone committing grievous mortal sin and giving them Holy Communion in exchange for money and accommodation.I know several folk who discovered this,they have evidence of seeing this person caught in the act.The priest told the rest of his people that these two were trouble makers and to have nothing to do with them.One who was going to enter the seminary had his vocation destroyed and the other gave the Faith away.Thankfully most of the others did in the end believe something was wrong and called on the help of another traditional group.I find it very hard to believe that this priest will not get away with this on the day of judgement.Is it correct according to the Church Fathers that most bishops and priests go to Hell.This priest is still in goodstanding with his bishop.
@anon3:14
DeleteThis priest is a Judas and an affront to the priesthood. If there is proof, said proof should be made public. Telling the truth is an absolute affirmative defense to the tort of defamation.
---Introibo
How sad.We too know of a priest who caused some souls to give the Faith away after they had exposed his hypocrisy.He got up in the pulpit of another church and in the context of his sermon made a comment how evil the Novus Ordo was and how they give "Communion" to fornicaters and how has a Traditional priest he could never do that.Total lies.Some devout folk had multiple evidence exposing his total hypocrisy.He was allowing this to go on in one of his Mass centers also in exchange for funds and accommodation.We can't see how God would bless a priests work allowing this.Infact,We would be concerned on the eternal life of him.These folk also had evidence of him stealing too and other evil behaviour.We are sure Introibo would agree us lay folk don't have to put up with this and we have a moral duty to expose wrong.Correct?
ReplyDelete@anon5:05
DeleteProvided there is proof, he should be denounced publicly. Furthermore, if there is proof of stealing, he should be reported to the authorities for criminal prosecution.
A balance must be struck insofar as everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I wouldn't want a priest denounced based on speculation and rumor. I've seen that done to Fr DePauw--sheer calumny. You also open yourself up to a deformation lawsuit.
If there is tangible evidence of wrongdoing, THEN he MUST be denounced publicly--and if it involves criminal behavior such as stealing, you have a duty to report him to the police so as to be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
---Introibo
Beware of infiltrators trying to destroy the traditional Catholic Holy Sacrifice of the Mass centers.
DeleteGod bless -Andrew
An excellent reply Introibo.We would like to give his name but can't.From what we have heard,his former supporters have moved on and are happy to be with another group.Those souls that he destroyed with false accusations after they had exposed him,he will one day have to render an account.His work will not have any blessing and God sees everything.God bless you
ReplyDeleteNo marriage is perfect, but if you are married in the eyes of God then you have a duty to your spouse no matter what he or she does to you. There is no quitting because it is too hard or he or she treats you like crap. Suck it up and pray and fast for their conversion.
ReplyDeleteSorry to be this person, but please everyone, stop using "crap" and "suck"
DeleteAlso, "There is no quitting because it is too hard", that is incorrect. Which is why Introibo advised her to leave her husband.
DeleteTom,
DeleteWhat about the offending and abusing spouse, they just get a free pass cause they are a man and of course the woman needs to "suck it up". The NO is looking better every day.
@Tom
Delete"Suck it up" sounds like a spoiled individual who has had a good marriage and didn't make a massive mistake by marrying the wrong person.
Lousy comment as marriage is not a series of intense exercise or 20 hrs of overtime at work.("Suck it up Bro")
Also the "Man gets a free pass" excuse is garbage.
I'm a man and have received the short end of the stick in my so called
"Marriage."
Both male + female suffer in life,this isn't a SJW conference.
God bless -Andrew
Seperation may be an option and even necessary, but the marriage still exists and our duty to our spouse does not cease. Sorry for the crass words posted earlier. Each marriage is unique but we will be judged on how we helped or didnt help our with our spouse’s salvation. I in no way mean that anyone needs to stick around and be physically or emotionally abused. I mean that we must accept the fact that we have a lousy marriage and it may entail loneliness, poverty, and lack of mutual support. But we signed up for better or worse. The worse our spouse may be, the more one should pray, fast, and do penance for them.
ReplyDeleteTom,
Delete"The worse our spouse may be, the more one should pray, fast, and do penance for them'.
I have done everything within my power and stayed in this so-called marriage for 35 yrs so don't make it out that me, the victim in this marriage hasn't done enough. Most women wouldn't have stayed in a marriage 5 yrs let alone 35 yrs and been subjected to the type of treatment I have gotten! Of course the woman is blamed for never trying or doing enough so as to placate the; wrong doing of the man, no matter how evil, selfish or whether possession may be involved. Unless you care to walk a mile in my shoes, don't be so quick to judge and self-righteouness toward somebody's intolerable situation is not the right course of action in my opinion.
JoAnn
JoAnn, my point was that we need less complaining and more praying. I am sure you are praying for your spouse. But you are also doing quite a lot of complaining. Leave him if you must for safety and health. God would not give your more suffering that you can handle with His help. I could go on and on about my marriage and the crosses I have to bear, but no one wants to hear them. We are all burdened. To air out your situation in public like you have, seems like an attempt to garner sympathy and attention. Time better used by praying for the guy, no matter how wretched he is. You are his wife till death do you part, don’t let his wicked ways drag you down too. Redouble your efforts to pray for him. His soul is in much greater danger than your physical well being. You are his spouse and will be held accoutable to God Almighty as to what you did for his soul.
DeleteWhy is the focus always on the offended spouse, not the one committing the offenses. As for airing grievances, maybe it is about time some people did so others can see the stark reality of some marriages and that not all marriages were made in heaven!
DeleteIntro,
ReplyDeleteThanks for another good post. I have a question. Hopefully you could answer it if you wouldn’t mind.
My Mom was baptized a Catholic in 1963. In 1991, she married my father, who was unbaptized, before a Novus Ordo priest. My father was later baptized.
Was that an invalid marriage? I know the Church could give a dispensation for “disparity of cult”, but how do sede organizations treat Novus Ordo marriages? I read that according to Canon Law, once the unbaptized individual is baptized, the marriage becomes valid. Is that true?
Thanks
Kemper,
DeleteThe questions dealing with the Vatican II sect and marriages are usually the most complex! According to theologian Schleck (cited above--and on pg. 108) the marriage of one baptized and one non-Baptized party wherein the infidel becomes baptized, raises the marriage to a sacramental marriage. Even two validly baptized Protestants can contract a sacramental marriage since they are not bound by the canonical form of the Church.
Your mother, as a member of the Vatican II sect would be treated as a Protestant. The 1991 marriage would be valid but non-Sacramental. It became a valid sacramental marriage after the baptism of your father.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Intro,
DeleteThanks for the reply and clearing this up!
If you don’t mind me asking, why did you get married? Were you convinced that the single life was your vocation at one point? Or did you always want marriage but it just didn’t happen earlier?
I am having a difficult time deciding what I should do with my life. I am a 24 year old male. Last summer, I was praying consistently to know my vocation. I was speaking with a young lady but I really had no desire to go further and pursue a relationship. I then read a book called Mystery of Love for the Single by Fr. Unger OFM, and I was 99% sure this was my vocation.
In January of this year, I listened to an episode on True Restoration about Marriage. It gave me a completely different perspective on marriage and I saw that it is a great means of sanctification. I again began earnestly praying to know what God wants from me and my desire for marriage became very fervent. I saw it as the greatest state of life for me to mortify myself and achieve perfection.
Now, that fervor has completely cooled, I don’t have that strong desire for marriage, and I’m back to where I was before: unsure.
I obviously have a good deal of time to figure things out. I have debts to pay, a career to build and gain more stability and income, to mature, etc. before getting married.
I was just wondering if you wouldn’t mind giving me some insights on your journey and any advice you might be able to share.
Thanks, Intro.
Kemper,
DeleteI got married because I believe it was my vocation when I met the woman who would become my wife. I wasn't sure if marriage or the single vocation was for me. It is exceedingly difficult to have a happy marriage because the world is not merely un-Christian but anti-Christian. I had made up my mind that if God did not bring someone into my life by age 50, I would take it as a sign to remain single.
The next year I made the Novena to St Andrew, and I met my future wife a few months later.
Advice:
Marriage will make you very happy or very miserable, so you must choose wisely. It is better to be single than in a bad marriage.
Develop yourself and don't put your life "on hold" for anyone.
Seek out only a woman who is a Traditionalist or honestly open to it. Don't ever settle.
Be prepared for many disappointments. If after much prayer (esp St Andrew!) God sends you a woman meant for you, then you will know. If in doubt remain in the single vocation.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thank you, Introibo. Much appreciated. God bless.
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