The church's leadership team had unanimously approved Sanguin’s request for the assisted suicide ceremony that was held in the sanctuary, as she had strong ties to the congregation.
The Rev. Dawn Rolke, minister of Churchill Park, told The Christian Post in a recent interview that it “seemed appropriate” to hold the ceremony in the sanctuary, as churches are often “host and home to all the raggedness of our lives and to some of our significant life rituals: baptism, marriage, ordination, funeral or memorial services.”
“For us, it was perfectly natural to hold this service for Betty in our sanctuary because death is a natural part of life and Betty had lived a good part of her adulthood in this faith community. Hers was a growing, changing spirituality; her faith was feisty, fierce and passionate, like Betty herself,” said Rolke.
“Some see medically-assisted death as a private matter and they sought to honor this individual’s request. Some felt it was right for Betty, in particular.”
Canada's healthcare system offers patients the option to have assisted suicide, what is known as MAiD or "medical aid in dying," in which a physician or nurse practitioner carries out the death by chemical injection.
At Churchill Park United Church of Winnipeg, the typical sanctuary seating was removed and replaced by comfortable chairs, tables, flowers and a recliner, which Sanguin sat in during the event as people came and went throughout the day to say their goodbyes.
Friends and family visited Sanguin who was joined by her adult daughters and grandchildren, with Rolke leading the ceremony.
(See christianpost.com/news/canadian-church-hosts-assisted-suicide-for-member-with-als.html).
We've reached a point where murder is a "church ceremony." This post will focus on the subject of euthanasia; what it is, why it's wrong, and the teaching of the Church.
Euthanasia: Definition and Explanation
Many sources have been used in the compilation of this post; especially in regards to Church teaching, most notably, theologian O'Donnell, Morals in Medicine, [1956], and Dr. Niedermeyer with theologian Buonanno, Compendium of Pastoral Medicine, [1961]. ---Introibo
The word euthanasia comes from the Greek eu and thanatos and means "good death." Euthanasia may be deemed active or passive. The active/passive distinction amounts to this: passive euthanasia (also called negative euthanasia) refers to the withholding or withdrawing of a life-sustaining treatment when certain justifiable conditions obtain (see below) and allow the patient to die. Active euthanasia (also called mercy killing or positive euthanasia) refers to the intentional and/or direct killing of an innocent human life either by that person (suicide) or by another (assisted suicide).
Euthanasia may also be either voluntary or involuntary. Voluntary euthanasia occurs whenever a competent, informed patient autonomously requests it (suicide). Involuntary euthanasia occurs whenever a person is incapable of forming a judgment or expressing a wish in the matter (e.g., a defective newborn or a comatose adult) or when the person expresses a wish to live but is nevertheless killed or allowed to die (murder).
The following Catholic principles must be used for the withholding or stopping of medical treatment.
1. Ordinary means to preserve life must always be used. It seems best defined as those things associated with the basics of life (food, water, rest, clothing, etc.) and what modern medicine can provide. There is never a good reason to starve someone to death. Even in "brain death" or a PVS ("persistent vegetative state"), we cannot know if the person is capable of suffering--suffering we wouldn't want an animal to endure, let alone a human being.
2. Most of the now commonly available techniques of modern surgery, medicines, and other medicinal practices/devices should be classified as ordinary means of preserving life.
3. Extraordinary means of preserving life need not be used. Those would seem to include experimental surgery, untested or unproven medicines and the like which cannot be used without prolonged suffering, devastating financial consequences, and offer no substantial chance of recovery.
We must be very careful in what we consider "extraordinary means" of preserving life. In the medical profession, there is the ideal which demands fighting off pain and death until the last possible moment. There is much to be said for that attitude. Many of the great advances in modern medicine, as well as perfection in surgical skill and technique, have been due to what might have frequently been called a "useless prolongation of life/suffering." Modern surgery is only considered an ordinary means of preserving life because of its extensive use in those stages of its development when it was considered an extraordinary means. We must not be too ready to lower that medical ideal, and slow medical progress in the immediate interest of a present case. The future betterment of humanity is also served by attempting "extraordinary means."
Active and voluntary euthanasia is an act of suicide, as in the case of Betty Sanguin. Those who assisted her are guilty of murder. Those who approved and participated without causing the death may rightly be called accessories to murder.
Suicide is a grave sin for three (3) reasons:
1. It is a most grave offense against the rights of God. The act usurps God's authority over life and death. "Thou, O Lord, hast the power of life and death." (Wisdom 16: 13). Human life has intrinsic worth because it comes from God, and God wills the salvation of all. The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity took on a human nature and died for humanity, to give all a chance to get to Heaven.
2. It is a grave offense against society. A community has the right to be benefited by the lives of their members. It has a demoralizing effect on those who loved the person. People valuable to society would rashly kill themselves in a fit of depression thinking they are not valuable. Even members of society not able to contribute in any substantial, material way would deprive others of an example of fortitude, or the opportunity to show charity and mercy to the needy.
3. It is a grave offense against the natural law. You cannot "love thy neighbor as thyself," unless there is love of self (not inordinate). Those who kill themselves to escape pain and miseries, incur the greater evils of death and moral cowardice, to be followed by eternal damnation--the greatest of all evils and suffering.
(Material directly above condensed from theologians McHugh and Callan, Moral Theology, [1930], 2: 117-123).
The Church arrives at this conclusion based on the supernatural creation of the human soul, and the supernatural destiny of each person. In the words of Niedermeyer/Buonanno:
Euthanasia is the extreme consequence of a series of postulates which represent an ideological unity and which are directed against the sacred character of life: birth prevention, abortion, sterilization, suppressive selection. The rational principle common to all these postulates is an absolutely temporal intention; a materialism not always well dissimulated; the idea of unlimited autonomy of man, with the elimination of a supernatural moral law and of responsibility before God as Creator, Legislator, and Supreme Judge. (See citation above, pg. 202).
The Vatican II sect, and most Protestant sects, are imbued with Naturalism, the view that this life arises from purely natural properties and causes; the supernatural being denied. This is displayed in anthropocentric "liturgy" (i.e., the Novus Bogus "mass"), naturalistic, invalid "sacraments," and Bergoglio telling us "‘The most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days are youth unemployment and the loneliness of the old." Will it be any surprise if there's a Vatican II sect "suicide ceremony" in the near future?
Most Common Arguments for Euthanasia
1. The Autonomy Argument. Since biological life is not the real, moral issue, then life is not intrinsically valuable or sacred simply because it is human life. The important thing is that one has biographical life and this involves a person's ability to state, formulate, and pursue autonomously chosen interests, desires, and so on. If a person autonomously chooses to end his life or have someone else assist him in ending his life, then such action is morally permissible. One should be free to do as one chooses as long as no harm is done to others.
2. The Equivalence Argument. There is no morally relevant distinction between active and passive euthanasia. Passive euthanasia is sometimes morally permissible. Thus, active euthanasia is sometimes morally permissible.
3. The Mercy Argument. It is cruel and inhumane to refuse the plea of a terminally ill person that his or her life be mercifully ended in order to avoid unnecessary suffering and pain.
4. The Best Interests Argument. If an action promotes the best interests of everyone concerned and violates no one's rights, then that action is morally acceptable. In some cases, active euthanasia promotes the best interests of everyone concerned and violates no one's rights. Therefore, in those cases, active euthanasia is morally acceptable.
5. The Golden Rule Argument. Moral principles ought to be made universal. If I don't want someone to apply a rule to me, I shouldn't apply it to them. Similarly, if I want someone to apply a rule to me, I ought to be willing to apply it to others. Now suppose I were given a choice between two ways to die. First, I could die quietly and without pain, at the age of eighty, from a fatal injection. Or second, I could choose to die at eighty-plus-a-few-days of an affliction so painful that for those few days before death I would be reduced to howling like a dog, with my family standing helplessly by. The former death involves active euthanasia, and if I would choose it, I should be willing to permit others to choose it too.
Responses to Most Common Euthanasia Arguments
A) Reply to the Autonomy Argument. First, it begs the question that there is no God and no Natural Law/Divine Law. The same could be said for all five arguments. However, all fail on separate and independent grounds as well. As to this argument, if we only need to protect people with "biographical lives," it would seem, then, that a person who no longer has such a life, who has no point of view, is no longer covered by the duty not to kill. However, if the person has lost the right not to be killed, it would seem that other rights would be lost as well, since the right to life is basic to other rights. In this case, it would be morally permissible to experiment on such a person or kill him brutally. Why? It is because we are no longer dealing with an object which has the relevant rights.
B) Reply to the Equivalence Argument. Two distinctions can, and must, be made between passive and active euthanasia. First, the direct cause of death is different. In the latter it is the doctor or other human agent. In the former it is the disease itself. Second, the intent of the act is different. The Traditional Catholic view allows for withholding or withdrawing treatment in some cases where certain circumstances obtain, for instance, in cases where the patient is terminal, death is imminent, treatment is judged extraordinary, and death is not directly intended. Those are major differences proving that active and passive euthanasia are not moral equivalents.
C) Reply to the Mercy Argument. First, there are very few cases where modern medicine cannot alleviate suffering and pain. It is wrong ethical methodology to build an ethical doctrine on a few problem cases. The mercy argument violates this methodological principle by placing too much weight on an argument which only applies to a small number of situations.
Second, though this can be abused, there can be a point to suffering. One can grow through it; one can teach others how a wise, virtuous person handles life's adversities including suffering and death. One can also show that one cares for his or her membership in community with others and that is not right to withdraw from one another in time of need. Further, one can affirm the fact that people have value and purpose beyond happiness, the absence of pain, or the ability to pursue autonomously chosen goals.
Third, life is a gift and we are not the sole, absolute owners of our lives. We are made in the image and likeness of God. He decides matters of life and death, not us.
D) Reply to Both the Best Interests and Golden Rule Argument. Two responses have been offered which apply equally to the Golden Rule argument and the Best Interests argument. First, the arguments beg the question against a sanctity-of-life view in favor of a quality-of-life view. In other words, if life is sacred, or if persons have intrinsic value simply by being human and, thus, are ends in themselves, then active euthanasia inappropriately treats a person as a means to an end (a painless state of death). Not everything a person takes to be in his own best interests is morally acceptable. Similarly, not everything a person would wish to have done to him or her is morally good. Quality-of-life judgments are often subjective and can be morally bad.
Put differently, a person can dehumanize himself--- and actually does so--- in active euthanasia by intentionally killing himself (or if someone else intentionally kills the person). Hence, when one engages in active euthanasia, one abdicates one's privilege and responsibility to live out one's life in community with and for others. This signals a failure of the community to be present to the sick person in a caring way. It also signals a failure of the person himself to die in a morally appropriate way (e.g., to teach others how to suffer and die) and to undergo a manner of dying which does not hinder those left behind from remembering the person in a morally helpful way.
Conclusion
The arguments for euthanasia can be answered on similar Naturalistic grounds. However, what is most important is spiritual. Recently, much ado was made when the detestable atheist owner of the drug-and-sleaze nightclub Studio 54, Mark Fleischman, underwent doctor-assisted suicide at age 82. His quality of life diminished over the last two years due to an undiagnosed "mystery illness." He went to Switzerland to the Dignitas suicide clinic to finish his life by his own hand, drinking a lethal dose of barbiturates. (Ironically, "dignitas" is Latin for "dignity").
According to his wife, "Mark used to not believe in God at all. He was a complete atheist," she said. "He started to believe in God during the last few weeks." When he took his life, Fleischman most likely sealed his fate forever. However, could God have been trying to get to him before he despaired and took his own life?
As Niedermeyer/Buonanno teach:
In many cases surprising facts have become known by discovering before imminent death a richness of mental life---buried under the surface---that was hidden in completely demented persons. We also do not know what takes place in the dying. We merely perceive that the last moments are of decisive importance. These last moments can bring to many dying persons a great amount of grace and can still save an apparently lost soul.
When a man believes himself authorized to shorten, even by a few seconds, the life of his fellow creature, he deprives him of these decisive moments of grace---and in so doing, possibly still thinks that he is benefitting him. (Ibid, pg. 203; Emphasis mine).
The members of Betty Sanguin's false sect thought they were "benefitting" her. Unfortunately, those who usurp the authority of God, Who Alone can decide the length of a human lifespan, will most likely find themselves in eternal flames. A fate far worse than any "quality of life" issue they were seeking to avoid.
I remember a man I knew in the Vatican II sect. He was a lector at the Novus Ordo worship service, just like me. He died euthanized and had a funeral at the church. I think before the Great Apostasy people who committed suicide were not entitled to a funeral and burial in a Catholic cemetery but, as they say, times have changed. Modern man takes himself for God and decides for himself what is good for him, including in matters of faith, like Sleepy Joe who claims to be Catholic and he is pro-abortion. The days of the Antichrist are upon us !
ReplyDeleteSimon,
DeleteYou are correct. Those who died by suicide/euthanasia were denied a Catholic burial and can not have a public Requiem Mass under the 1917 Code of Canon Law. Now, all V2 sect members are de facto "canonized" as the "priest" has a white robe and talks about them being in Heaven. Is there anything V2 has NOT destroyed in the hearts and minds of their members?
God Bless,
---Introibo
The V2 sect accepts everything, even sodomite unions, so it's not surprising that it accepts to organize funerals for people who have committed suicide or who have been euthanized, in addition to cremation. I'm sure they will organize sodomite weddings in the church celebrated by priestesses !
DeleteSimon,
DeleteI bet that is not that for off!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Excellent post, Introibo!
ReplyDeleteCorrect me if I'm wrong but isn't the Compendium of Pastoral Medicine actually authored by Albert Niedermeyer (published originally in German as Compendium der Pastoralmedizin), and translated into English by Fulgence Buonanno O.F.M.?
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/002114006202900107
Here's a short excerpt about Doctor Niedermeyer (1888-1957) taken from the book "Doctors Under Hitler" by Michael H. Kater:
"The Catholic doctor with three degrees Albert Niedermeyer, an Austrian gynecologist and strong defender of prenatal life, showed fortitude when he pronounced against the Nazi eugenic policy while still a practicing physician in Lusatian Goerlitz. First, the local KVD revoked his medical license, then the Gestapo apprehended him. In 1938 he suffered a term in Sachsenhausen concentration camp; upon his release he resumed his practice in Vienna, closely watched and constantly harassed."
God Bless,
Joanna S.
Joanna,
DeleteYou are correct, and I updated my citation--but an explanation is in order. Dr. Albert Niedermeyer is responsible for the MEDICAL principles and content of the book, but an approved theologian must guide him as to the correct moral and/or dogmatic principles involved. A medical doctor alone cannot be a theologian and publish a theological tome on his/her own. The translator is usually a theologian who makes sure everything is translated in an orthodox manner to another language and is usually (although not always) the assisting theologian in the book's production.
I have given credit to BOTH Niedermeyer and Buonanno.
Thank you, as always, for your great insights and comments!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Introibo,
Deletethank you for the additional info! I always learn something valuable from you and fellow readers/commenters.
God Bless,
Joanna S.
Intro, this was a very meaty article; and what a tragic story!
ReplyDeleteThe term 'Biographical Life' really struck me! I never heard it before. It perfectly describes how an on-paper life is the worthwhile thing, not the actually-lived one. I hope you don't mind if I steal that term as a comeback to arguments for ending one's life "on one's own terms". There are people I know, Catholics included, who have said things to me like: "if I ever get too old and useless, I want to be taken out to 'the shed' and a slug put between my eyes" (I never know how to respond to that).
Obituaries are now nothing more than resumes or curricula vitae. They have turned into paeans to Biographical Lives, and are training us to value people based solely on a list of their contributions to man-centered activities.
Joanna, thank you too, for your link. I enjoy your comments. It's good to have perspectives from Intro's readers around the globe.
-Jannie
Jannie,
DeleteAlways great to have your comments as well as Joanna--I learn from all my readers, and especially you two! "Biographical life" is a sad term you may certainly use. It is utilized by proponents of euthanasia, I can't take any credit.
When people say similar things to me, e.g., "if I ever get too old and useless, I want to be taken out to 'the shed' and a slug put between my eyes"--I usually respond with, "You mean like a barn animal? Aren't you a creation of God and have more value than that?" It's been said to me about a half-dozen times in my life, but no one came back with a response!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Jannie,
Deletethe feeling is mutual! Thank you for your well-thought-out comments, they're part of what makes Introibo's site so special.
God Bless,
Joanna S.
Don't forget eugenics
ReplyDelete@anon1:31
DeleteAbsolutely! I may write a separate post on just that!
God Bless,
---Introibo
"...argument violates this methodological principle by placing too much weight on an argument which only applies to a small number of situations." This reminds me of many arguing for the pro-abortion stance by referencing rape and incest victims as justification for pro-abortion laws. As small as the number is (~0.5 - 0.8%?), I read earlier this year that the people who provided those numbers either admitted to exaggerating the numbers, or simply making them up (I believe it was the latter, but I can't remember). Regardless of whatever the low number is, the argument is still poor, but again it is good enough to justify laws allowing murder. I am reminded of the 90's movie "Rob Roy". Not to be a spoiler, but a child is conceived by sinful, evil means, and the main character, learning of this, still says, "No child deserves to die". I doubt Hollywood/Disney/etc would let that moral slip through again.
ReplyDeleteI've had to make one of these decisions (end of life) for someone, and I pray that I never have to go through it again, but God's will be done. I prayed for guidance, and spoke to my priest to make sure I was following Catholic teaching. Extraordinary means can sometimes feel like a grey area. In the end, we tried and did everything we could within our means, and even though I know that, the experience still haunts me with occasional doubt. However, I have to admonish myself for not being confident in the Holy Ghost's guidance. If anyone reading this is in a similar situation, I implore you to do the same. Pray for help, and trust in the Lord and Mary to guide you. Situations like these can be overwhelming, affecting your judgment. Who better to trust in than Jesus and Mary? Talk to a priest for guidance (even by phone), and educate yourself on Catholic teaching.
Great, educational post! I like the reminder that some of the treatments and surgeries were of benefit to the medical staff in terms of experience to better serve future patients. Thank you for your efforts. God bless.
-Seeking Truth
Seeking Truth,
DeleteYou bring up a great point about abortion. "Hard cases make bad law" as we were taught in law school. The infamous Roe v. Wade, now overruled, caused the death of millions of innocent unborn babies because Norma McCorvey ("Jane Roe" in Roe v Wade) lied about being made pregnant by means of gang rape. She was made pregnant by a man she thought she loved, and lied to get an abortion.
Ironically, if a woman is made pregnant by rape, there is no death penalty for the rapist. The innocent baby dies. Many psychologists have also testified about the greater mental anguish of such a woman having an abortion instead of keeping the child (or giving him/her up for adoption).
To read of a very inspirational story, I met the great pro-life speaker Julie Makimaa several years ago. She was conceived in rape and her mother gave her life. See her story here:
https://thelifeinstitute.net/learning-centre/abortion-effects/children/conceived-in-rape/julie
S.T. thank you for your great and insightful comments!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Have you heard the testimony from abortion survivor Gianna Jessen ? How it must embarrass the "pro-choicers" !
Deletehttps://youtu.be/hOWMmx6eBjU
Just wanted to remark you should not give the kid for adoption outside of the direst necessity (eg; extreme poverty).
DeleteThe foster care system is rotten, and many kids end up having problems and sufferings that could be avoided if their mothers didn't drop them.
It's not very charitable to save a babe's life and then expose him to abuse, loneliness, sodomite "parents", selfish foster "parents", the government, the novus ordo and other hostile environments.
If you are starving or something similar I can understand that you may not find a better option. But, does the anti-abortion movement really want to tell women who want to abort for selfish reasons to drop the kid on a inhuman foster system and feel good because she didn't kill the baby?
Simon,
DeleteThank you for the link!
@anon6:25
I'm in basic agreement with you. You bring up a good point, and I agree that, as a general rule, the child SHOULD be kept and raised. You bring up the case of extreme poverty as an example for giving a child up for adoption, and it is a good reason.
In the case above, I think another case that would qualify for adoption would be a teenager who is made pregnant by rape and has an adverse psychological reaction to seeing the child of her attacker. Very rare, but I believe one that also qualifies for giving the child up for adoption.
God Bless you both,
---Introibo
Indeed!
DeleteThanks again for another excellent article! I was wondering about hospice. Is it always wrong to have anything to do with them? Do they do anything besides murder? Am I correct that one can numb suffering with drugs (which will eventually lead to death) so long as they are taken to lessen the pain and not to commit suicide? I would very much like to be informed on this as much as possible.
ReplyDeleteJohn Gregory,
Delete1. Each hospice should be evaluated on its own merits. Some are excellent, some are bad. Home hospice is best for those who can get FMLA time from work to care for a relative.
2. Some hospices alleviate pain and help the dying as much as possible.
3. You ask: "Am I correct that one can numb suffering with drugs (which will eventually lead to death) so long as they are taken to lessen the pain and not to commit suicide?" Pope Pius XII was asked ". Is it permissible to use narcotics, if there is a clinical indication for it, in the dying or sick in danger of death? Can they be used, although the attenuation of pain carries with it a probable
shortening of life? " On February 24, 1957, His Holiness responded:
"It has to be answered: "If there are no other means and if, given the circumstances, this does not prevent the fulfillment of other religious and moral duties, yes."
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thanks so much for this Introibo! I would like to see your other writings on this issue.
DeleteThere was the issue of Father Cekeda's opinion on Terri Shiavo. This led me to wonder about something that has not been answered to me. When one speaks of "extraordinary means" or "grave inconvenience" in such matters I have wondered if, to the patient, eating through your nose could legitimately be considered, to a particular person going through it, to be a grave inconvenience. Can such a person, with moral licitness, prefer to starve than be fed with a tube? Also can something still be considered as "extraordinary" even after it becomes common, such as the feeding tube? It is still an extraordinary way of eating isn't it? Also is it licit to have a "do not resuscitate no matter what" on your will?
ReplyDeleteI'm just playing devil's advocate. Though I am genuinely not sure. Everyone jumped on Father, but no one really responded to my questions above. Where is that fine line when all the emotion (i.e. the emotional attitude that says Father is wrong about everything on this issue because I disagree with his conclusion in this case) disappears?
John Gregory,
DeleteI had written on this topic. I think the answer to your questions will be more obvious after we consider the principles involved:
There are two fundamental principles upon which we have the unanimous consent of the theologians: (1) The refusal of everyday means of sustaining life, such as nutrition, hydration, and rest may never be denied to a sick or terminally ill person because it is a self-destruction which clearly violates the Divine dominion over human life; (2) Humans are not expected to sustain life at all costs, which would be extraordinary. The fate of death since the Fall is also part of nature. These two points are clear. Their application is much less so. The "ordinary vs. extraordinary" dichotomy (or "natural vs. unnatural") will yield different results with the chronological development of medicine. What was considered "ordinary means" in 1600 AD will be much different from 1955 AD, and 1955 will differ significantly from 2022.
Having several blood transfusions was impossible in 1600, extraordinary in 1955, but looked upon by physicians in 2022 as not being "extraordinary" any longer. Much of what the great theologians wrote before the Great Apostasy never envisioned the world in which we live, both in terms of not having a pope for an extended period of time to settle specific questions, and the enormity of medical advancement in a relatively short span of time. Medical practice has advanced more in the last 70 years (1952-2022) than in the prior 700 years (literally).
"Grave Inconvenience" must be measured as such according to the objective standards of modern medicine and not the whims of subjective patients. Starving to death without a nose tube will soon make the tube seem wonderful. "Extraordinary" means should be used in terms of what is medically common, not outside the way things are usually done. Hence, a feeding tube is not the way we usually eat, but it is not medically uncommon.
"Do not resuscitate no matter what" is not taking ordinary good care to preserve health and life and is therefore immoral.
I hope this helped!
God Bless,
---Introibo
Very helpful! Definitively tied up some loose ends I have been looking into since the whole Terri ordeal. Thank you very much!!!
DeleteJohn Gregory,
DeleteGlad I could help, my friend!
God Bless,
---Introibo
John Gregory,
ReplyDeleteI think that tube feeding is considered routine care for certain cases, and has been for centuries. There is minuscule risk in the procedure, versus the benefit of keeping the patient, who would otherwise die without an NG tube, alive.
You do bring up some very pertinent questions about what would be considered heroic care, and it hit close to home for me. I had a relative who was placed by his health care proxy in hospice for dementia. He was there for a few months, alright and eating fine, with help, according to the nurses, up until the morning they said he would not eat at all. Shortly after that, he was put on a morphine drip and passed after an excruciating day of thirst (I could not even put ice on his lips because of the danger of choking, they said!!!), finally unable to breathe at all due to the drugs.
They said how humane it all was and how he died in peace, where I just saw a man in torture. I thought they must be delusional. It bothers me terribly still, years later.
Thanks for listening.
-Jannie
Very sorry to hear about your relative, Jannie. That would be extremely frustrating. I attended some training classes to be a hospice volunteer, when I was a young adult. I can't remember all of the details, but some of their views didn't quite sit well with me. I asked questions, and the responses amounted to keeping the patient comfortable and letting the body do what it wants to do. I finished the training, but didn't end up volunteering, although I had planned to.
DeleteJohn Gregory did raise some great questions.
-S.T.
Jannie,
DeleteTerrible experience. Unfortunately, even so-called "Catholic" hospitals and hospices are no longer moral in many cases. Those "medical personnel" will have much for which to answer.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I am so sorry to hear about your ordeal. What was it that could or should have been done instead? God bless you!
DeleteJohn Gregory, I am sorry - I don't know just how I can answer your question. I will say the person did knowingly read and sign a directive some time previous to his arrival in the facility. It said he was not to be kept alive by extraordinary means if his condition was "terminal" or if he would end up in a "vegetative state" lacking all cognitive ability. I truly believe those circumstances, in his case, were doubtful, though.
DeleteThose words terminal and vegetative can be ambiguous. IMO, there should be no room for ambiguity in matters of life and death. What is "terminal", precisely? How is the fact of any of these descriptions assessed with absolute certainty? Even when a patient agrees to such reasonable sounding conditions ahead of time, things can, in the reality, turn out to be much different for him than he may have imagined originally.
I really despise the word "vegetable" to describe a non responsive bedridden patient, too, when I hear it. That, more than anything, has been used to sell a soft euthanasia to people. Who can blame anyone for being afraid of such a thing?
They are told they must not be a "burden" to their loved ones.
There is pressure from every angle!
As I see it, this is just one of those mileposts on the road to the death culture, beginning with "legalized" abortion fifty years ago; maybe before that!
I'm sorry if I am going heavy on this, but it is a topic I have long felt very strongly about, in general.
It seems things will get much worse, but we must pray, maintain hope, and just do what we know, deep down, is right, according to Jesus' teachings.
-Jannie
I'm sorry to hear this Jannie. One thing that might be consoling is a saying I came up with, "for the good Catholic everything is good no matter how bad". That is we can offer everything up through the most loving hands of the Blessed Virgin Mary to God that He may do with as He pleases. And He is not outdone in generosity. You will be rewarded 100-fold. Tom Droleskey had many good articles on his site related to this issue. The hell care industry are not our friends. Ask your Guardian Angel and all the angels and saints to help you with this and apply your mental anguish and his suffering to the benefit of his soul or any soul that God sees fit. http://www.christorchaos.com/Dr.PaulByrneonBrainDeath.html
DeleteThe above was from me. I didn't know it would be posted as anonymous.
DeleteOne of the best examples of perseverance and showing the value of life is the family of Terry Wallis who in 1984 was in a terrible car accident and was in a coma for 19 years (2003).
ReplyDeleteAfter regaining awareness, Wallis slowly was able to say "anything he wants to say," according to Stone County Nursing and Rehabilitation Center social director Alesha Badgley in the year 2003.
Unfortunately, he died this year in March at the age of 57.
What if his family wanted him euthanized? We wouldn't be astonished at talking about his recovery which in itself is extraordinary (a miracle).
Lee
Lee,
DeleteI remember that case! Great example.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I agree, Lee!
ReplyDeleteGod's purpose for some persons is that they give witness to others of the value of suffering and perseverance, as this man did.
I'd think that hardly anyone hearing about him would fail to believe his long and difficult recovery was at least inspirational, if not a miracle. Yet a lot of the same people think suffering should be avoided at all costs.
It's hard to understand that.
-Jannie
Jannie,
DeleteYou speak of a great Catholic truth, so often passed over in silence or outright denied.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Hello Introibo, off topic, but do you have any posts on the Church's correct teaching on Invincible Ignorance? Thank you and God Bless!
ReplyDelete@anon7:01
DeletePlease see my post:
http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2016/08/ignorance-about-ignorance.html
God Bless,
---Introibo
Thanks. What do you think about the latest Dimond Brothers video on Pope Pius IX? They claim Pius IX did not teach the doctrine of invincible ignorance. Fred and Bobby claim his quotes have been mistranslated. https://endtimes.video/pope-pius-ix-salvation-dogma/
Deletewhat do you think?
@anon8:28
DeleteI think it's mind-boggling that anyone listens to these two misfit "monks." So, the theologians closest to Pope Pius IX, including the great Cardinal Franzelin all got it wrong, but these two, born in the 1970s with NO ecclesiastical education or training got it right? It's a sad joke.
God Bless,
---Introibo
I totally agree with you. I was not aware of Cardinal Franzelin and others supporting this. The two morons claim the English translation of one of Pope Pius' famous quotes is wrong. Of course Robbie Dimond corrected the Latin and the English translations. I'd like to read something on the theologians weighing in on the subject. Where can I find something? Thank you and God bless you as well!
Delete@anon2:48
DeleteAny pre-V2 theology manual dealing with Baptism will also teach Baptism of Desire and Blood. "Sacrae Theologiae Summa IVA" (if you can find it on bookfinder.com, Amazon, etc.) contains an excellent treatment of the subject by theologian de Aldama. May I suggest my friend Steven Speray's book "Baptism of Desire or Blood" available on Amazon for just over $16 and well worth it. He refutes every contention of Fred and Bobby in a very forceful manner which is also easy to understand for anyone first looking into this subject.
God Bless,
---Introibo
Another excellent and well writtten article Introibo.I have printed it off and have given some copies to friends to read.Well done.
ReplyDeleteI have an question to ask for your view on something.I am interested in a woman in the view of dating to hopefully lead to the Sacrament of Marriage.She is Novus Ordo but I am sure I can lead her by my example and prayers to Tradition.She unfortunately met and "married' a non Christian but the relationship fell apart after 5 years.Her divorce comes throught in about 3-4 months time.I know that the church teaches that it was a non Sacramental Marriage.Is it appropriate to start dating her or wait till her divorce comes throught?I know she likes me and I feel that God has led her to me.
I can understand why the Church does not support mixed Marriages.
Look forward to your reply and may your readers pray for me.
God bless you all,Anthony
Anthony,
DeleteA non-sacramental marriage is still a true marriage that cannot be broken except for the Pauline or Petrine Privilege, neither of which apply here.
Query: Was she married in the false non-Christian sect of her putative husband or was she married by a Justice of the Peace? If EITHER occurred, THEN it would be invalid because she must be married in the Canonical Forum.
If invalid, then you can tell her how you feel, but I would wait on actual dates until the legal divorce comes through. It might give scandal to those who don't know better about validity/invalidity of marriages.
I hope all goes well, my friend! Be assured of my prayers and I ask all my readers to pray for you as well.
God Bless,
---Introibo
+JMJ
ReplyDeletePrayers for you Anthony.My wife and I are sure that it is God's will that this woman was led to you.My wife was had also been Novus Ordo and been "married" to a hindu.A few months after her legal divorce came through we met and fell in love.She converted to the Traditional Faith and we were married by a Traditional priest.It goes to show that interfaith marriages are just impossible and will not be blessed by God.Keep up the prayers,daily Rosary,etc and follow the advice of Introibo.God bless and Mary keep you
The only Requiem Mass I attended was for a Thuc line Bishop.
ReplyDeleteHe died alone and was an urban hermit. Another Thuc Bishop drove 120 miles + offered him Extreme Unction the morning he was found dead.(He was very Ill,dying for 7 weeks,offering up physical suffering for his Sins.)
Haven't known anyone other than him who's accepted intense physical suffering for weeks while living alone. All the people I've known who were dying opted for medically induced coma and/or non-stop Dilaudid and Morphine drip for the pain. I'm not insulting nor looking down on those people who've opted for assistance while dying.
My point is he was an amazing sincere intense inspiration and true believer of the Holy Catholic Faith.
His name was Bp.Robert Dymek and he prayed for everyone he'd ever known as he was dying, including the Spray family who didn't care for him.
He cried and openly stated he made many mistakes+ also to throw out my TV Internet computer etc
"God willing you'll have a deathbed.
You will sincerely regret ever being involved with and spending time committing mortal sin with the filth and trash of this World."
Compare this intense suffering sorrowful edifying Catholic death to euthanasia and medically assisted suicide. One reason it's becoming more common is the faithful and non-Catholics do not have any catechism education nor any example of someone suffering for weeks to make reparation for their Sins.
God bless -Andrew
Greetings. I am extremely embarrassed to ask this because I am sure that this question will seem stupid to many and I understand. In fact, I will also understand that it neither has an answer nor is it published. I thought a lot about whether to do it or not and I'm going to ask this question because I don't want to make a mistake even if it's silly. My question is related to the cinema. I mean, it's obvious that certain movies shouldn't be seen because of their enormously sinful content, but there are others that I have doubts about and I'll be specific. I have been told that there are apparently "innocent" movies that should be rejected because of the anti-Catholic messages they might contain or that spread anti-Catholic thoughts or ideas. The truth is that I do not know if the pontiffs like Pius XII spoke on this subject in any document or speech. The fact is that I saw a movie called "The little princess" from 1995. Apparently it's an "innocent" movie but I'm afraid it wasn't like that and that I was wrong to see it. How can I know if a movie is suitable for a Catholic or not? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteManel Bonet
Manel Bonet,
DeleteThere are no stupid questions, except for the ones left unasked! Always ask questions!
Pope Pius XII gave these principles as to the requirements for cinematic acceptability:
https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_p-xii_exh_25101955_ideal-film.html
Hope this helps!
God Bless,
---Introibo
I just listened to your interview about Fr DePauw. I relived my adolescence and I 72 years old. You must have known my father. He was Gene Tullio and from 1968 onward, he stood by the altar to,protect Father. My dad was a NYPD officer. You also probably knew Tom and Joan Maher. Wonderful story.
ReplyDelete@anon2:28
DeleteYes, I knew your father. A thin, white-haired gentleman with glasses who stood on the Gospel side near the sanctuary. Mr. Tullio was kind and devout. He was very devoted to your mother. After she passed away, he died soon after--probably from a broken heart. A great man.
Of course I knew Tom and Joan. Tom suddenly disappeared from his position as Head Usher and was replaced by Wayne Donnelly (RIP). Father must have had a serious falling out with him, as he would not discuss with me what happened. I admired that about Father DePauw, if something wasn't public and he couldn't say anything nice, he'd say nothing at all.
God Bless you and may your parents rest in peace.
---Introibo