Monday, November 10, 2025

Staying Pure

 

To My Readers: This post comes from a leaflet that was distributed in the Archdiocese of New York. I found a copy as I was walking and picked it up. It claims to be a reprint from 1960, with ecclesiastical approval. I am not able to confirm or deny that claim. I checked it against traditional moral theology, and it is quite orthodox. I also looked at a letter Fr. DePauw wrote to me years ago regarding purity and company keeping--which was also the subject of the aforementioned leaflet. That tract was most probably published by "conservative" Vatican II sect members trying to keep Catholic morality alive in a sect dedicated to corrupting both Faith and morals. 

The attacks on holy purity have never been greater than today. There are conflicting statistics, but all that I've seen suggests that a MINIMUM of 12% of all websites are pornographic. Add to that the gravely immodest sites not strictly considered porn, and you have a massive amount of impurity.

Just as troubling is the prevalence of adultery. According to one study from 2018:
 "20% of men and 13% of women reported that they’ve had sex with someone other than their spouse while married, according to data from the recent General Social Survey(GSS)." (See https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america). 
This isn't just among the young. The same source reports that 5% of women and 12% of men over 80 years old are having affairs. 

Other than porn, the biggest threat to purity is company keeping.  Thirty-one percent of adultery happens between colleagues at work. Moreover, fornication and loss of morals also occurs due to company keeping. However, how can a Traditional Catholic man and woman seeking marriage get to know each other without spending time together? 

This will be the subject of my post; company keeping and staying pure as a Traditionalist Catholic. 

N.B. The material below is from the leaflet, and I give all credit to whoever that author may be. I take absolutely no credit for what is written. 

God bless you all, my dear readers---Introibo

When May a Catholic Lawfully Keep Company?
By Unknown 

The question in the above title is one about which there is much confusion today, not only in the minds of young people themselves, but in the minds of many of their parents, teachers and interested elders. The confusion arises from the fact that solid ethical principles no longer enter into the thinking of thousands of people. Much of modern education scoffs at the very idea that the human mind can come to any convincing conclusions about ethics, morality or religion. It is to be expected, therefore, that many will be induced to follow their instincts and their inclinations, especially in a matter so strongly and universally appealing to naked and tainted instincts as company-keeping.

Nevertheless, there are sound moral principles to be applied to the lawfulness of company-keeping, and all who have retained respect for their reason and some basic Christian faith must want to know what they are and then to get together in applying them to their own lives and teaching them in the areas reached by their influence. The subject should be of special concern to parents, teachers, youth leaders and, of course, to all, young and old, who are in a position to be attracted to any form of company-keeping.

By company-keeping in this treatise we mean steady, concentrated, exclusive association between two people of different sexes. Such steady and exclusive association between man and woman is accepted by all the world to mean that the man is "courting" the woman, and that she is permitting herself to be courted. Thus, if a boy takes a girl out once or twice or oftener a week over a period of time, and it is therefore clear to all who know them that he is concentrating on her, these two are keeping company, whether they are willing to call it that or not. If a lad in the ninth grade is sweet on a little girl in the same grade and takes her to a show or some other evening event at least once a week, they are keeping company whether their elders laugh it off as innocent puppy love or not.

There are two factors that must be considered in setting down moral principles with regard to company-keeping. The first is that its purpose, as evident universally in the direction toward which company-keeping leads, is possible future marriage. This does not mean that when one starts keeping steady company with someone, he or she is thereby at once committed to marriage with that person. A period of steady company-keeping may in time bring about the discovery that marriage to the particular companion involved is out of the question. Even in that case it will have fulfilled its ethical purpose as a testing or trying out period for marriage. But the idea of possible marriage can never be excluded from steady company-keeping.

The second factor on which the moral principles governing company-keeping are based is even more important. It is the fact that company-keeping between a man and a woman or a boy and a girl involves a certain amount of unavoidable danger or inclination to sin. From the very nature of human beings this danger can be perceived. In all normal men and women God has implanted a strong instinct toward marriage and the things of marriage, i.e., the pleasures connected with marriage. The purpose of this instinct is to lead them, in favorable and right circumstances, toward and into marriage, where these inclinations can be virtuously satisfied and through them God's purposes of continuing the human race fulfilled. However the inclinations themselves have no power to recognize this wonderful plan that is so clear to the reason. They make themselves felt with increasing fervor, the longer company-keeping goes on. In that fact lies the danger of company-keeping, and experience proves that it is no merely theoretical danger. In short, the danger is that the inclinations of company-keepers may induce them to do things that their reason and faith tell them are lawful only in marriage.

Now this danger may be legitimately encountered, while it is rendered less imminent by judicious spiritual and practical means, only so long as the true purpose of company-keeping is kept in mind and so long as its goal of marriage is within lawful and reasonable reach. When marriage is impossible or unlawful or out of the question entirely, there is no moral justification for facing the intrinsic danger of steady company-keeping, and no balancing protection against inclinations to unlawful thoughts, desires or deeds.

It is on the basis of these undeniable principles and facts that the following statements about the morality of company-keeping can be made. Each one of them, it is true, stigmatizes as evil, practices that are very common in Society today. The stigma cannot be escaped by those who act contrary to the natural law that God has made clear to the mind of man. And we know that there are many people in the world who will want to avoid the stigma, both for themselves and their children. Let it be noted that we are considering the subject not only from the viewpoint of the natural law, but also from that of the requirements for true Christian marriage.

A. Steady company-keeping is lawful only when a valid marriage is possible to both persons involved.

This principle clearly excludes many individuals from the moral right to steady company-keeping.

1)  All validly married persons, whether they are living with their lawful spouses or not (so long as the spouse is living) are prohibited by the natural law from keeping steady company with anyone other than their partner in marriage.

There are many examples of the breaking of this natural law, each one involving serious sin for the violator.

The married employer who regularly takes a certain woman employee out for a social evening, has long tête-à-têtes with her, lets her know how much he thinks of her and "needs" her, is keeping company contrary to God's law. This is true even though he were to avoid for a long time making affectionate physical advances or leading her into outright sins.

The married man whose business requires that he travel, and who has a "girlfriend" in one of the cities to which he often goes, who has dates with her whenever he goes to that city, is doing something seriously wrong by this company-keeping.

The married doctor or lawyer who uses his professional relationship to a certain client as a justification for keeping company with her by regularly taking her out to dinner, shows, social evenings, and above all, by regular hours spent alone in her company for the sake of her friendship, is deceiving himself and doing seriously wrong.

The married woman who permits a male friend to call on her regularly when she is alone at home, lets him spend hours in her company, welcomes his attentions and displays of affection, is guilty of infidelity even before any actual adulterous actions take place.

The married woman whose husband is absent with the armed forces, who takes up steady dating with a certain man while he is gone, is sinning against the fidelity she owes to her husband.

Because it is forbidden for married persons themselves to keep company with anyone, it is equally forbidden and seriously sinful for single persons to enter into company-keeping with someone who is married.

2)  Steady company-keeping is unlawful for divorced but validly married Christians.

This principle is exactly the same as the first one listed, because validly married persons are still bound to their partners for life even after they have obtained a divorce. It needs to be set down separately because too many Christians have adopted the pagan idea that a civil divorce makes them free to marry again, or at least to keep steady company with a new friend. It comes back to the fundamental truth that company-keeping is lawful only to those who can be validly married to each other.

The all but universal argument of divorced persons for entering into new company-keeping alliances is that "they have a right to some happiness in life." Having failed to find happiness in a first marriage through their own fault, or the fault of their partner, or the faults of both, and seeing dozens of divorced persons around them acting as if they were perfectly free to plan for another attempt at marriage, they feel that they are being cheated out of something if anyone tells them that Christian principles demand that they give up all thought of a second marriage or the company-keeping that might lead to it, so long as their partner is alive.

The truth, however, is very clear, and it must be restated again and again. By inexorable logic it establishes the following conclusions:

A Christian who has entered a valid, sacramental, consummated marriage is married for life. He or she will never have freedom to marry as long as the partner to that first valid Christian marriage is living. Christ made this clear in one of His simplest statements: "He that putteth away his wife and marrieth another is guilty of adultery; and he that marrieth her that is put away is guilty of adultery."

Since there is no freedom to marry for divorced Christians, there is no justifying reason available to them for steady company-keeping. Rather, there are clear reasons making such company-keeping seriously wrong. First of all, it means entering the danger spoken of above, and the added danger of an invalid marriage, without a proportionate reason. Secondly, it means endangering the soul of the other person involved in the company-keeping, and also depriving that person of opportunities for a good marriage. Thirdly, it means giving scandal by adding one more example to the too many already given, of how Christians can be faithless to the teachings of Christ in regard to the indissolubility of marriage.

Since it is wrong for married and divorced Christians themselves to enter into steady company-keeping, it is equally wrong for single persons to accept their invitations to steady company-keeping. Moreover, it lays an obligation on single persons to find out, almost as soon as they start going out with someone, whether that person is married and divorced or not. The freedom with which divorced persons circulate in society today, and the frequency with which they offer their steady companionship to others without saying anything about the fact that they have been married, imposes a duty of special caution upon the single.

This is hard doctrine, says the young divorcee or divorced man. They are all in favour of the note to be found in the recently published Dartmouth Bible, at the bottom of the page recording Christ's teaching about divorce and re-marriage, to the effect that the modern world has found this doctrine too difficult and has rejected it. In so doing the modern world has rejected all of Christ, together with His redeeming death and heaven. But any man or woman who still professes to be a believing Catholic, who wants to save his soul, who fears hell and wants to reach heaven, must be obedient to the teaching of Christ on this matter of company-keeping after divorce. If marriage after divorce is adulterous for Christians, company-keeping in the same circumstances is entering an unnecessary danger of sin, risking open rebellion to Christ, and a form of infidelity to a living and lawful spouse.

Does this mean the end of all happiness for the divorced Christian? By no means. True happiness begins with a reasonable hope of reaching heaven, no matter what price may have to be paid for it. Divorced persons may keep their title to the happiness of heaven, so long as they renounce another marriage and the things that could lead to it while their partners are alive. There is no such thing as a title to happiness on earth at the price of sin, and no such thing as winning heaven without carrying a cross.

3) Divorced or separated persons who have doubts about the validity of their first marriage may not enter upon steady company-keeping

   a) until they have set about finding out from the proper authorities whether their first marriage was valid or invalid;

   b) and until they have some authority (outside themselves) for the opinion that their first marriage may be declared invalid. Even then they must exercise reserve and restraint in company-keeping, and readiness to give it up if the hope of a declaration of nullity should prove false.

There is a principle in the moral law to the effect that one may not act in a state of doubt as to whether one's action is lawful or unlawful. To do so would be to accept responsibility for the possible evil involved. Either the doubt must be resolved by recourse to authority, or the doubter must be able to find a reason for acting in some principle covering the matter of the doubt. In the case of one who doubts whether his first marriage was valid, therefore, company-keeping is lawful only when he has taken steps to resolve the doubt and attained at least some solid probability that he will be free to marry.

There are many different attitudes to be found among people in regard to this matter, each one covered by a moral principle. Here are the principal ones :

a. There are those who foolishly think that any marriage can be declared invalid if they approach the right people and take certain action. This is untrue. The Catholic Church presumes all marriages to be valid unless solid, objective evidence for their invalidity can be produced and sworn to by reliable witnesses. No divorced person may take up company-keeping, therefore, on the principle that "any marriage can be nullified by the Church."

b. There are those who think that their first marriage must have been invalid because of purely personal reasons. For example, if "the husband turned out to be a cad," or "if the wife started to run around with other men soon after marriage," etc. Such reasons have nothing to do, by themselves, with the validity or invalidity of the marriage contract, and do not impart a right to new company-keeping or a second marriage.

c. There are those who have a fairly good case for a declaration of nullity, but one that ordinarily will require a long process, possibly a number of years, before a final decision will be handed down. This may be because of complications demanding much testimony, many documents, etc. Persons involved in such cases are bound to exercise reserve in company-keeping, realizing that it may be a long time before they will be declared free to marry. They must also exercise patience, knowing that, having failed in one marriage, they are asking a great favour in seeking freedom for another try.

d. There are those who have a certain case for a declaration of nullity, and one that can be handled with some dispatch. Thus a Catholic whose first marriage was before a judge instead of a priest, or who attempted marriage with a validly married but divorced person, can know that, with the proper documents, his case can be settled quite soon. If one priest has not the time to handle it, he should go to another. If he is truly repentant, he, too, will be patient over any delay. His company-keeping is lawful, however, because he is certainly not validly married.

e. There are those who can find out by one interview with a priest that there is no chance for their being declared free to marry because their first marriage was clearly valid, sacramental and consummated. For these, steady company-keeping is unlawful.

B. Steady company-keeping is lawful only when marriage is considered an acceptable prospect within a reasonable time.

Again, this principle is based on the danger that is connected with steady company-keeping. If marriage is out of the question for years or already decided finally against in regard to a certain boy friend or girl friend, there is no sufficiently good reason for remaining in the sphere of danger.

There are two special kinds of cases to which this principle applies.

1. First, it applies to school children, either in the grades or early high school years. Children or adolescents who would not and could not entertain the idea of getting married for several years and who have the added handicap of not yet knowing too much about their own passions and inclinations, are entering an unnecessary and strong occasion of sin by taking up steady company-keeping.

Parents and educators have the obligation of training those under them to understand this principle early in life and to put it into practice. It is utterly unrealistic for parents to argue that the only way to make sure that their children will some day be happily married is to let them start keeping steady company when they are very young, before there can be any thought of marriage. When marriage becomes possible, the normal tendencies of human nature will take care of the preliminary courtship necessary, if the children have been brought up in normal association with the members of the other sex. Let it be noted that we are not at all saying that individual dates between the very young are wrong. Steady company-keeping, with all the signs of being in love and courting and being courted, is what is spoken of here.
School principals and teachers have the same obligation of using their influence and authority to inculcate the above principle. It is tragic that some of them promote "affairs" and "love-making" and steady company-keeping among the very young, Catholic schools sometimes fail in this, as well as non-Catholic.

2. Secondly, this principle applies to even mature persons who have been keeping company with someone for a considerable time, but have come to the certain decision that they will never marry the one with whom they have been going steady. Whether this be because the companion absolutely refuses to consider marriage, or because the other is certain that marriage would be an irreparable mistake, company-keeping should stop when marriage has become out of the question.

The decision never to marry a certain person with whom one has been keeping company must be final and sure before it demands that the company-keeping be ended. It sometimes happens that a girl will make frequent statements to her family and friends that she would never marry a certain man who is rushing her; but she is not at all sure in her own mind, and may, as many others have done in like circumstances, marry him in the end anyway. So long as the possibility of a valid marriage remains, the company-keeping has a justifying reason.

On the other hand, however, it is not lawful to continue keeping company with someone when marriage is out of the question entirely, just for the sake of having a regular partner for dates, good times, etc., and for the satisfaction of ones' vanity. Too often men, and sometimes even women, will carry on a sinful affair with someone whom they would never marry, just in order to indulge in the pleasures of marriage without the responsibilities of marriage. The habitual sins of such a state make the eternal loss of one's soul progressively more imminent. God will not be mocked by those who mock the institution of marriage.

What about the case, someone will ask, in which a couple have found themselves in love, have become engaged to each other, and yet find that there is some real obstacle to their getting married for a long time? For example, one of them may have dependent and sickly parents who have no one else to take care of them. Or the boy may be without income until he finishes two or three more years of schooling and training for a medical degree or for some other profession or trade.

In such case the company-keeping is not unlawful, together with the waiting for marriage, on condition that both cooperate in the use of extraordinary means to remain free from sin while waiting out the years. They should both receive the sacraments often, and they must avoid circumstances and intimacies that they know would tempt them gravely to sin. It is a sad thing that sometimes a couple who, on the one hand, are praying that God will soon remove an obstacle to their marriage, will on the other hand, be regularly committing sin with each other, thus nullifying every prayer they ever offer to God.

Sometimes, too, a couple will put off marriage for foolish reasons. The man wants to make a fortune before he gets married. Or the girl, too attached to home, wants to wait until her mother dies. Or both agree to wait till they can afford the finest of homes and every possible convenience. The sins into which such as these may fall while foolishly putting off marriage are doubly malicious in God's eyes. They have no good reason for prolonging the dangers of company-keeping.
Finally, the question must be asked: Is it lawful for a man who has a living but divorced wife, to keep steady company with a girl, with the idea that he will marry her only if and when his lawful wife dies? Is the same company-keeping lawful for the girl?

From the principles set down above the answer to this question should be clear. Steady company-keeping, i.e. regular and frequent dates between the two, would be wrong for two reasons; first, because it would be entering into an unnecessary and grave occasion of sin without a sufficient and proportionate reason; second, because it would give scandal, both to the individual involved and to all who learn of the steady company-keeping that the married man is carrying on. It is such practices that continually lessen more and more people's regard for the indissolubility of marriage.

After all this has been said, individuals may still have doubts about the morality of company-keeping in which they are involved. When such doubts arise, a confessor should at once be asked for a decision and direction.
 

When Is Company-Keeping Prudent? 

When, two people, young or middle-aged or even old, find themselves attracted to each other and inclined toward company-keeping, the first thing they should ask of themselves is this question: Is this company-keeping lawful? It is lawful, of course, 1) only if both persons are free to marry, i.e., not bound to a living husband or wife to whom they are still validly married, and 2) only if they have good prospects and the general intention of marrying within a reasonable time.

But there is a second question that such persons should ask of themselves, both at the beginning and during the course of a period of company-keeping. It is the question: Is this company-keeping prudent? Not all things that are lawful are at the same time expedient and prudent. This truth applies in a special manner to company-keeping.

Prudence is the virtue by which a person regulates all the actions of his present in accord with his future happiness, both in heaven and in this world. Prudence is the art of planning for the future: it means doing nothing in the present that one will seriously regret in the future. Every sin ever committed is a violation of prudence; it means indulging a momentary unlawful desire, for which indulgence a great penalty will have to be paid.

Because steady company-keeping ordinarily leads to marriage, a state of great responsibility that can be ended only by death, it is obvious that prudence must govern every man and woman who enter into it. Imprudent company-keeping is that which one's common sense can judge will lead to unhappiness in marriage or even unhappiness in hell.

Prudence must therefore supersede both the natural instinct toward marriage implanted in all human beings, and the emotional love that may be aroused toward a particular person of the other sex. God never intended that human beings be ruled by their instincts alone. Only brute animals are, according to God's plan, to be ruled by instinct alone, and they are protected by their very instincts from harming themselves by the pursuance of their desires. But God gave human beings reason and intelligence, the power to foresee their own future and to plan for it, and he expects them to use that power in following or resisting the instincts that He did implant in them. Thus a girl of twenty-five who rushes into marriage with anyone who comes along just because she feels a strong urge toward marriage is not only not acting with prudence; she is not acting as an intelligent human being.

Neither should a girl who finds herself strongly attracted to a certain man, or, as it is so often put, "madly in love," permit herself to think that, no matter what kind of man he may be, she must marry him. Such attractions die down and disappear with time, and sometimes they turn into bitter disgust and hatred. But marriage lasts until death and there is no escape from its duties and obligations till death sets one free. Prudence, therefore, demands that physical attraction be checked against the lifelong obligations of marriage and the prospects of lasting happiness with the person to whom one is attracted.

While it is not possible, in a short article like this, to analyze every conceivable case of company-keeping from the viewpoint of prudence, it is easy to set down many of the instances in which continued company-keeping would be fatally imprudent. Both common sense and experience come together to prove the truth of the following specific rules.

A. Company-Keeping and Character.

Principle: It would be gravely imprudent for anyone to keep steady company with a person who lacks the character necessary for fidelity to the obligations of marriage.

Character may be defined as "A life dominated by right principles." One of the essential purposes of company-keeping is to find out what kind of principles dominate the life of one's partner. Mutual agreement on right principles is absolutely necessary for a happy marriage. As soon as it is learned that a boy friend or girl friend is incorrigibly ruled by wrong principles, company-keeping with such a one becomes imprudent. Here are some examples of imprudent company-keeping as evidenced by the fact that a partner has been found to be ruled by some seriously wrong principle.

1) Company-keeping is seriously imprudent with one who has been found to deny the importance and necessity of the virtue of chastity.

Example: A girl is invited out by a certain man. He shows that he likes her very much and asks her to keep steady company with him. On the third or fourth date he makes it clear that he expects her to participate in sinful actions with him. In response to her objections, he scoffs at the idea of chastity; he states that he goes out with a girl "to have a good time," meaning a sinful good time; he quotes all the stock defenses of impurity, that "everybody does it," that "it's natural," that "you can't help it if you love somebody," etc.

If a girl continues to keep company with such a man, she will not only find herself plunged into sin in the present, but committing herself to a most unhappy future. If the company-keeping ends in marriage, she will find herself married to an adulterer, because any man who does not believe in chastity while he is single, will certainly not believe in fidelity to a wife when he is married.

There is a difference, let it be noted, in regard to a man who believes in the importance of chastity and yet on occasion is tempted against it and even falls into sin. Such a man can be corrected and made faithful to his own ideas by a good girl. But the man who expresses in words and shows by his actions a disbelief in the necessity of chastity should never be accepted as a steady friend by any decent girl. Such men should be left to equally unprincipled and abandoned girls and women.

2) Company-keeping is seriously imprudent with one who wishes to marry but not to have children in marriage.

Example: A man is strongly attracted to a certain girl. He takes her out regularly over a period of time. He finds out, in the course of their frequent dates, that she has a horror of ever having to bear a child, or of having more than one or two children. Perhaps she indicates this only by her attitude toward children, showing distaste for being around them. Perhaps she openly states her belief that one can marry and exclude children from marriage, or at least exclude having more than one or two.

Once this is found out about a girl, (and every man keeping company should create occasions for finding out his girl's ideas about children in marriage) a man would be tragically imprudent in continuing the company-keeping. By so doing he would be placing himself in the way of a very sinful and unhappy married life. He should know that he would be expected to practice birth-control in such a marriage. This would chain him in a habit of sin that could lead him into hell, and at the same time it would create innumerable occasions of strife between him and his wife. The right principles about the place of children in marriage are absolutely necessary for the foundation of a happy home.

3) Company-keeping, is seriously imprudent with one who has any serious and deeply rooted defect of moral character.

Example: To keep company with one who has been found to be an alcoholic, with a long record of futile attempts at overcoming the habit of drunkenness, would be the utmost folly, no matter how many favorable assets the person might possess. Marriage is almost never a permanent cure for drunkenness; in most cases the bad habit returns with double force after marriage, even though the most solemn promises to avoid it were made and kept for a little while.

The same is true of other moral defects, such as the habit of stealing, or evidence of unreasonable and uncontrollable jealousy, or of inability to control a violent temper, or any other moral defect that has not been faced and at least partially conquered. It must be remembered that the close and constant association of marriage makes even slight defects of character a test and a cross. Such crosses can be borne by normally good people. But unconquered grave defects of character will in due time make married life all but intolerable.

B. Company-Keeping and Religion.

A very urgent and practical question today is this: "Is it prudent for a Catholic to keep steady company with a person of a different religion or of no religion?" There is solid ground for the truth that to do so is more than imprudent, because, except in certain circumstances, there is the element of disobedience in such company-keeping. The Church forbids her children to marry those who do not believe as they believe; she grants dispensations for such marriages only with some reluctance and when there are good reasons for so doing. If the Church does not wish her members to marry non-Catholics, it can be deduced that she does not want them to keep steady company with such as these, which is the ordinary way of preparing for marriage.

There is nothing arbitrary or unreasonably dictatorial in this prescription. It is based on principles that are rooted in faith, proved by wide experience, and evident to the common sense and practical reason of anyone who can think clearly about the matter. The principles involved are these:

1) In general both the spiritual success and the earthly happiness of married life depend in large measure on unity of religious beliefs between husband and wife.

The first and most important purposes of marriage are spiritual. It is a state in which a husband and wife are to help each other to love and serve God and to win the happiness of heaven; and also to help each other to raise their children according to a single spiritual plan laid down by God. Clearly, if they do not agree on how God should be loved and served, they cannot help each other in this matter; indeed, they are more apt to prove to be hindrances to each other in the service of God. Clearly, too, if they do not agree on the plan that God laid down for the rearing of children, they not only cannot cooperate in rearing the children, but one will be trying to lead the children one way while the other, at least by example if not by words, will be leading the child in an opposite direction. These are the basic reasons why so many mixed marriages end in compromises of faith on the part of the Catholic partner, and in confusion and loss of faith on the part of the children.

Even the earthly happiness that God wants married people to enjoy is interfered with and often ruined by difference of religious belief between husband and wife. Marriage is meant to be a union, not only of bodies and possessions, but also of mind and heart and will. Anything that prevents such a complete union is a source of friction, of separation, of conflict, of unhappiness. There is something important lacking in every marriage in which husband and wife cannot pray together, cannot attend church and receive the sacraments together, cannot plan together for happiness with God in heaven. Tolerance of each other's different beliefs is always a poor substitute for the unity that makes for happiness.

For these reasons all serious-minded Catholics desire to marry only Catholics like themselves. For these reasons they accept the authority and agree with the wisdom of their Church in warning them against keeping company with a person not of their faith. For these reasons, if they happen to be attracted to one who is not a Catholic, or to keep company with such a person because there are few Catholics in the area where they live, they are determined in their hearts either to win that person over to their faith, or not to permit the company-keeping to lead to marriage.

2) It is impossible for a Catholic to find happiness in marriage to a person who not only does not accept his religion as true, but who even ridicules it, rejects some of its basic moral principles, and gives evidence that he (or she) will resist having the children raised as Catholics.

Under this principle several different types of persons may be listed with whom it would be fatally imprudent for a Catholic man or woman to continue to keep company and thus to be impelled toward marriage. They are:

  a. One who ridicules the Catholic religion as superstitious, who expresses contempt for priests as "secret evildoers" or mere "money-seekers"; who makes fun of the Mass and the sacraments and other Catholic rites and ceremonies.

  b. One who does not believe in the indissolubility of marriage, stating that "if it doesn't work out, divorce and marriage to somebody else should be permitted."

  c. One who insists that sinful birth-control is lawful and necessary in marriage, and makes it clear that no matter what promises are insincerely signed, this will be demanded after marriage.

  d. One whose whole attitude and conversation make it clear that when the time comes for raising children, obstacles will be placed in the way of raising them as Catholics.

For any Catholic to marry, with open eyes, one of these types of person, is to make himself (or herself) guilty beforehand of all the sins that will inevitably follow upon marriage. Too often Catholics forget this fact; they have fallen deeply in love with one such, and feel that they can let the problems take care of themselves so long as they can marry the person whom they love. But God never intends that love should sweep away reason and free will. If reason makes it clear that sins will result from a certain marriage then the free will is guilty in cause of all the sins by consenting to the marriage. That is why the Canon Law of the Church states that such marriages are forbidden by divine law.

C. Company-Keeping and Other Circumstances.

The question of the prudence of company-keeping in respect to accidental circumstances outside the important topics listed above is more difficult to solve. Character and religion are the two essentials to be looked for in a partner for marriage; other things can be important to some but not to others; they do not necessarily render marriage imprudent in all cases. In these matters, therefore, only certain presumptions can be set down. Every such presumption will yield at times to specific conditions. Some of the circumstances that prudence must consider in company-keeping are the following:

1) Difference of age.  Is it prudent for a girl of twenty to keep company with a man who is twenty years older than she is? Or for a man to keep company with a woman who is ten or more years older than he is?

There is a general presumption that the closer to the same age a man and woman are, the fewer will be the adjustments they will have to make to each other over the years in marriage. There is also a presumption that it is imprudent for a man to marry a woman who is many years his senior — more so than for a woman to marry a much older man.

However, there have been successful and happy marriages in which husband and wife differed greatly in age. If two such persons possess good character and sound religion, and willingness to face the special adjustments that these age-differences will demand, their company-keeping and eventual marriage should be neither frowned upon nor forbidden.

2) Difference of social position. Is it prudent for a rich girl to keep company with a poor boy? Or vice versa?

There is a presumption here again that there will be some special difficulty to be faced by one who is accustomed to luxury and plenty, in marriage to one who has known nothing but poverty and struggle. The difficulty will be almost insurmountable over the years, if either one is lacking in solid religious principle and sound moral character. But where there is such religion and character, such a marriage could turn out very happily.

3) Opposition on the part of parents. Is it prudent for a young man or woman to keep company with someone whom the parents seriously dislike, even to the point of showing animosity and threatening to have nothing to do with their own child if he or she marries this person?

Each case of this kind must be solved on its own merits, preferably with the help of a priest or spiritual advisor. Sometimes the parents are completely at fault, because their dislike is based on some unimportant accident such as nationality, looks, background, etc. Sometimes the son or daughter is the one at fault, because the objections of the parents are based on solid grounds pertaining to character or religion. No general rule can therefore be laid down other than this, that the physical attraction sometimes called love should not be permitted to be the sole arbiter in the case. Prudent counsel should be sought from trusted and experienced advisors.

Conclusion
Rarely have I read so much practical Catholic wisdom in a leaflet. I need not add anything, other than to urge all who read it to heed the wonderful advice given in a world infested with the devil of impurity.

St. Maria Goretti, Virgin, Martyr, and Patroness of Purity, ora pro nobis. 

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  1. Dear Introibo.
    I had just fought off impure thoughts after one month, especially when I saw this article. I remember seeing an image of Maria Goretti in the church of the Redemptorists in Cebu when I was 1 year old (the image is now labeled Saint Philomena). It was also in the same church where I was exposed to the icon of Our Mother of Perpetual Help, which made me interested in the Byzantine Rite.
    Ryan

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    1. Ryan
      A lot of wise advice is in this post; especially for a young man like you! Always be on guard.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. I don't mean to be rude, but it seem like you do a bit of what we call "oversharing". Some things belong either just to yourself, or to an authorized priest (if you can find one) in the confessional.

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    3. "I don't mean to be rude."

      Then why are you? Ryan was not being specific. He used general language without being explicit. Was St. Augustine "oversharing" about his life in his Confessions? Did the early Church overshare when they publicly confessed their sins? I prefer to read the honesty of someone who is sorry for what they've done than people who pretend they aren't being rude.

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    4. "Then why are you?"

      Because it is inappropriate, and there is such a thing as oversharing. As men, some things are better left private in the confines of the confessional. It seems to be an habitual thing with him, not a one off.

      It's none of my business, or yours; but apparently, you like it, because you defend it. Do you enjoy reading such admissions? It seems like you do, which says a lot about you, personally.

      St. Augustine wrote his Confessions in his own venue. This is to say there is a time and place for everything, but not in every time or every place or indiscriminately.

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    5. And actually, I'm not being rude to him; you're ju8st strangely/oddly oversensitive and overly curious. Now, you may state that I'm being rude to YOU. And perhaps that's so.

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    6. State specifically what was inappropriate. If he would have gone into detail then yes that would be wrong but he didn't.

      I enjoy seeing people have a change of heart for the better and sharing it for our edification, yes. Haven't you read the lives of some of the saints? Some of them reveal much more than a passing comment like his. According to your logic, it be wrong to know St. Mary Magdalen was a prostitute because Sacred Scripture overshared something that was none of our business. That says a lot about YOU.

      I didn't say you were rude to me in my comment. I simply told you what I prefer to read. You were obviously oversensitive to my comment that you responded twice.

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    7. I've stated my piece. No, I was saying I was likely being rude to you in my comment to you, not Ryan. I'm just being perfectly honest. You're a woman, right?

      This gentleman would be wise to follow my advice, especially in an age where your picture and your name associated can always come back to haunt you. To Ryan: Be well. I will say no more.

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    1. I am correcting my previous post. Immorality is everywhere: Internet, television, movies, and in everyday life. And it is promoted by the secular state. This morning, I learned that the Quebec government spent $72,250 CAD to distribute 650,000 free condoms in the province's colleges. This means that young people will have sex believing they are protected, and there will be early pregnancies and abortions. This is the consequence of rejecting Catholicism ! Our Lady of Fatima said that it is sins of the flesh that send the most souls to hell, and Christ tells us that many people walk the broad path to perdition.

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    2. Simon,
      Yes, sins against the Sixth and Ninth Commandments are ubiquitous and a real danger to the soul!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  3. A good reminder of the prudence required for such things. Also, today we need the daily Rosary to counteract the constant temptations and the influences of the 'operation of error'.

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    1. cairsahr_stjoseph
      The Rosary is our weapon against impurity, and an antidote for all evils!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  4. Does anyone know what should be done in the case where the husband and wife were raised and married in the Novus Ordo, the husband after some years learned the truth about the Faith and Vatican II and went sede; the wife then left the husband and took the children (5 of them to be precise) because she accuses the husband of leaving the Church? What should the husband do in this case?

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    1. Great question! I can't wait to hear answers as I only know Novus Ordites and they all say same to me about leaving church. Even some I have sent info for 5 years say they cannot understand anything and if God wanted them to leave NO, He is going to have to make this happen. I keep saying knowledge brings understanding and we must cooperate with Grace. All is such a mess. They read the Bible like it is a magic 8 ball...ask a question and then open to verses where God speaks to them. Introibo, which of your posts would be a good start for Novus Ordo folks? The ones who do care enough to study....

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    2. @anon8:39
      First, this would be a no-fault divorce (modern society facilitates the breakup of the family with glee). If the wife will not reconcile with him, he must get custody of the children. No judge will deny him --at the very least---generous visitation rights. During that time, he can take the kids to the True Church and explain himself (depending on their ages--he may have to wait if they are very young to explain things in detail). If he gets full custody, even better.

      As long as there were no phony annulments involved, the marriage was valid and sacramental. No matter what some V2 sect tribunal decrees, he must remain alone and celibate as long as his wife lives.

      @anon2:03
      See my post made for V2 sect and R&R people:
      https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2024/02/a-sedevacantist-primer.html

      God Bless you both,

      ---Introibo

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    3. Thank you for the reply. What if going the legal route would essentially bankrupt him (the husband) and the family overall? Visitation or custody in a one bedroom apartment with five kids seems like opening up a whole new set of problems.

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    4. @anon5:00
      She can't "just leave" with the kids unless SHE gets a divorce. If she gets the divorce, he has no choice; sad as that is, unfortunately.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    5. Practically speaking, if she has the protection of her family enabling her, giving her shelter when she leaves, she effectively divorces him and forces *his* hand to take legal action just to get to see the kids (who she keeps from him behind the walls of her parents' house).

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    6. @anon7:31
      Should the women do that, the husband only need to call Child Protective Services and put in a criminal complaint. That is kidnapping. The husband has a legal right to see his children.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    7. @anon8:39am

      That is a very difficult situation and I am sure there are other situations like that one. There are so many difficult marriage scenarios today that are very complicated. The demons are assaulting mankind relentlessly. I like Introibo’s responses that he provided.

      God bless,

      -TradWarrior

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  5. What are your thoughts on the prudentness of marriages that are mixed race?

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    1. @anon1:19
      It depends on the individuals involved. They will have challenges to be certain, but as long s the are devout Traditionalists and mature, they can have happy lives and children. I know personally three such couples, one of which was married by Fr. DePauw.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  6. The church doesn’t teach anything against mixed race marriages. If two people come together who can honor God and grow in The Faith and raise a Catholic family. This is good. Nevertheless, I believe it is prudent to find a spouse of the same race in order to preserve ethnic/racial lines, a common historical experiences. There is a distinctness across the races and God created the different races. There is no denying the existence of race, and the recognizable divergencies and observed behavioral patterns among the races. There is a concerted effort by The New World Order, and a social engineering program here in America and in Europe, in order to make people believe, especially liberal white women, that marrying outside your race, is the highest new world order egalitarian “virtue”. There are very powerful people who detest the peoples of Europe and their culture. They detest The Catholic Church even more. They do detest people of European descent for a variety of reasons. And these hegemons use many subversive tools to erase white identity and to enslave humanity. Mass immigration into majority white countries, anarcho tyrannical policies, social engineering through race mixing, and there are many more examples. This type of devious societal planning to destroy nations that once shared a common race, culture, group preferences, is immoral.

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    1. @anon3:59
      This part of your comment is 100% accurate:
      "The church doesn’t teach anything against mixed race marriages. If two people come together who can honor God and grow in The Faith and raise a Catholic family. This is good. "

      The rest is your opinion, and it is a rational one. If someone feels it prudent to marry within their own race, there's nothing wrong with that. There are other prudent reasons. For example, I am not physically attracted to African-American women; and I know African-American women who feel the same about white men. Nothing wrong with that--it's just preferences. I have only dated white and Hispanic women.

      I have never personally heard anyone claim it is some whacky "duty" for people to marry outside their race.

      It is true that in most all cases, people married to the same race will have less family challenges.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. I considered commenting on this before but waited a week. I am familiar with the things referred to by 'anon3:59' and will only say that the people behind those things are of the same spirit as those Our Lord referred to in connection with 'millstones'. Of course, repentance is better.

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  7. Yes anon 359! Also, I can tell you from experience...language and culture differences are barriers that create huge miscommunication issues so...
    Wish novus ordo folks could see this too just in regard to the Latin Mass.

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    1. @anon4:56
      Yes, mixed race couples have more challenges to face and must realize this and be prepared for it prior to marriage.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  8. Great subject Introibo.

    Thank you very much.I would say 95 percent of tv programs are impure.I have a tv but only use it with my dvd player to watch old programs.What do you think of the old country and westerns with John Wayne?

    When I was with the SSPX I was shocked at the dress standards of some of the folk when they were seen during the week.Also on several occasions at the SSPX chapel one young woman wore a tight mid-driff top and a dress with a cut on the side up to buttocks.She was sitting with her mom and dad and presented herself at he rail for Holy Communion.I was shocked.Volumes more could be said.

    I look forward to any comments of our good friend Trad Warrior whom I pray for every day.

    God bless

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    1. @anon6:06
      Yes, TV and movies are so impure. "The Duke" is awesome! As to westerns in general, I like "The Magnificent Seven," and "Shane."

      The woman you describe wasn't immodest but IMMORAL in her dress, and should have been asked to leave. That's a scandal.

      TradWarrior is a blessing!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. @anon6:06pm

      Thank you very much for your daily prayers for me. They mean a lot! I will certainly keep you in my daily prayers too. I too enjoy older movies and TV shows. There are no modern shows that I watch and there really haven’t been for quite some time. Same with movies. I do not go to movie theatres anymore. If there is something worthwhile I would go, but good movies are few and far between. It is a shame how much our culture has fallen. Let’s keep each other in prayer.

      God bless you,

      -TradWarrior

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  9. To "The Samson Chronicles (Part 14A) Sexual Purity"

    Although I normally publish your comments, I will not publish this one you submitted. Although your intentions are good, you reference sexual perversion with a hero of the Bible. It would (rightly) scandalize my readers and it is not suitable for publication. Again, although your intentions are good, it comes across as blasphemous. It would be the height of irony for me to publish it on a post about purity.

    If you can rewrite it so that it has no such references, I will publish it.

    God Bless,

    ---Introibo

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    1. Samson Chronicles (14B) Custodia Occulorum

      "If your eye offends you, pluck it out" (Matthew 5:27-29). Samson's eyes were plucked out (Judges 16:21).

      https://www.saintsworks.net/Modesty%20and%20Purity.htm . This webpage contains many hypertext link sources, including one to a St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori composition titled "Modesty of the Eyes". Also referred to as "Custody of the Eyes."

      In the final two paragraphs before the "Conclusion" of the "Staying Pure" blog post above, mention is made of "opposition on the part of the parents" with regard to a prospective marriage mate. It is stated there that "physical attraction sometimes called love should not be permitted to be the sole arbiter in the case." This is EXACTLY what we see in Judges 14:2-3! Samson looks like perhaps the best biblical "poster child" for this very subject! Samson's parents are cautioning him that he ought to get married to a Catholic, and that the woman he is lusting after is a heretic. But in violation of the 5th of the 10 commandments, to "Honor your father and mother", Samson crudely rebuked them, saying "Hanc mihi accipe, quia placuit oculis meis = Take this woman for me, for she hath pleased my eyes" (= Vulgate with Douay translation). My own translation of this into idiomatic and straightforward English, would be: "But I want to marry her (ASAP, simply) because she looks HOT in my eyes!" - The morals of the story, seem to be, that it often starts with lust of the eyes, and that Samson should have listened to his parents. Samson married "his heretic hottie", and it plunged him into a decades long lifetime of what is depicted as sexual mortal sin, and presumably would have plunged him into a VERY HOT place for all eternity, had God not intervened (Judges 16:22-30) at the end of his life.

      777333 (part 14B is totally different than 14A)

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    2. Samson Chronicles (14C) Search Possibilities

      Many and varied Google searches are possible, such as: [1] Does the Samson story have unusual sex? [2] What does the Samson story tell us about lust? [3] What does the Samson story tell us about passion and desire? [4] Was Samson a sex addict? [5] What does the story of Samson symbolize? [6] Is the story of Samson historically accurate? [7] Is the story of Samson a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma? [8] Is the Samson story riddled with paradoxes and ironies?

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      In addition to the results of such searches supplying enough reading material to keep one busy for days trying to read it all, I was able able to obtain Google AI responses to all 8 questions, some responses being lengthy and giving examples or details supporting the "AI answer". "AI" did not "think" any of those questions were stupid, as enough evidence exists to give coherent answers to all of them.

      To supply succinct answers: To Q1-Q5, just keep in mind that the sinful carnality at the literal surface level of the text, is almost always meant to symbolize perversion at the spiritual level, especially during the past 60 years of our era (= The prophetic meaning is paramount. The BC-era history is secondary to that). To Q6-8, "Yes, and sometimes in very surprising ways!" To Q5, God will soon show us the primary meaning of the story. And you then will see that so-called "AI" is totally stupid, when it comes to figuring this out.

      777333 (more to be noted, in due course).

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    3. Samson Chronicles (Installment 14D) Varia

      https://novusordowatch.org/2025/11/jewish-synagogue-after-nostra-aetate/ = Nov. 12 blog post of Mario Derksen, titled "Sixty Years of Vatican II : Church and Synagogue after 'Nostra Aetate' "

      https://akacatholic.com/peter-pelican-and-the-bright-red-line/ = Nov. 12 post of Louie Verrecchio.

      The 2 above-mentioned Nov. 12 blog posts, were published online, about 4-10 hours after I clicked the "publish" button for part 14A above. The themes of that part 14A, closely relate to the themes of those two blog posts, with one big difference. Mario and Louie did not refer to sex. I was using biblically-based (but very vivid!) sexual metaphor to emphasize what Mario and Louie are blogging about. It is curious to observe that Louie is making mention of terminology like "Co-Redemptrix" and "Mediatrix" and "Dispensatrix" in light of the recent Vatican document. A word I used in 14A would fit well in a limerick with those 3 words just quoted. To make my point of view clear: I agree 100% with what Mario and Louie wrote in their Nov. 12 posts. And I agree 100% with what Introibo has in his above blog post. What then about Introibo's comment to my 14A (8:04PM) that: "It would be the height of irony for me to publish it [= 14A] in a post about purity." - Indeed so! Savage irony! That was the whole point of it. And I made mention of "irony" in 14C (above), in Q8. The problem is context. If one does not understand the meaning of the Samson story as a whole, then what is an exposure and rejection of the perversion, can seem like the opposite = the promotion of the perversion.

      I've typically been keeping "on topic". This post was about sex and (im)purity. There are lots of things to say about that in connection to Samson! If Introibo's post is about ABC or XYZ, then I speak about how ABC and XYZ relate to the Samson story. But this is a scattershot method of presenting anything! On my agenda (if Introibo be OK with this) is to speak to the matter of how "faith" is the key to understanding the Samson story, and Samson as seen via patristics and papally-sanctioned norms of biblical interpretation.

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  10. Introibo
    What was your experiences dating hispanic women?
    God bless
    A Young Man

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      They were very nice and devout. Professionals with advanced degrees. Didn't work out for reasons unrelated to race. Both women also taught me some good conversational Spanish!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  11. https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/C023cpKids.htm

    I read this a few years back about calling children...kids. fyi

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  12. Introibo

    Your comments last week about the early history of the CMRI was very good.I wonder if the folk who stayed with the Mount could imagine back in 1985 to see how the group has grown to the present time 2025 with all the new Mass centers and chapels.Do you agree that good can come out of evil.What do you think would of happened if Bishop Schuckardt had not left?

    Did Father De Pauw ever speak to you about Bishop George Musey and Bishop Louis Vezelis?

    God's blessings to you

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    1. @anon5:47
      Yes, God can (and does) bring good out of evil. If Schuckhardt had not left, it would have remained a cult.
      Fr. DePauw was no fan of either bishop although he would not go into detail.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  13. Interesting you ask about good out of evil...as only God can do that, right? Not men.

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    1. @anon8:29
      Yes, only God can do that, and I'm sure that's what he meant.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. That's what I meant Introibo.Actually a she, I am a gal (smile)

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    3. @anon11:07
      My apologies ma’am!!

      God Bless

      —-Introibo

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  14. Introibo, thank you so much for this. It's priceless. I doubt it's the product of a conservative NO group, at least not from the last several decades.

    Which kind of brings me to my off-topic question for the week:

    What specific year(s) or events marks the obscuring of the Church (within Her putative infrastructure) and heralds the emergence of the V2S 'church'? Where is the line in the sand? Surely under Montini... 1963? 1965? Surely it couldn't be as late as 1968?

    And why?

    Thank you very much in advance.

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    1. @anon12:10
      In my opinion, it is morally certain the sect was formed on November 21, 1964. That was the day Montini demonstrated he could not have been pope or the Holy Ghost would have prevented him from signing the heretical ecclesiology which is the fundamental error of the sect and from which all the other heresies flow.

      The sect turns 60 in 8 days. God pity us in this Great Apostasy.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Introibo,
      It is my opinion (an opinion held by respected theologians, such as the Doctor of the Church, Saint Robert Bellarmine) that God would never allow a genuine Pope to fall into heresy. For that reason, Montini was never the Vicar of Christ. The case against Roncalli is not as clear-cut, but I work on the principle that a doubtful Pope is no Pope. Since Roncalli was doubtful, he was therefore a Nope (non-Pope).

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    3. This is very interesting Introibo. Have you done a post on this Nov 21 date?

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    4. Does anyone know of a vocal convert who bypassed the NO and made it to the True Faith? I say vocal, as I am looking for a video testimony for NOers who think it is impossible to learn the Truth on these matters because they were born into the NO. I have heard some reject God because they say God would not allow just some people to be born into the "right religion."

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    5. Leo
      I lean towards that view also. One thing remains clear, Montini was not pope as of 11/21/64. That means prior to that he either (a) lost office or (b) never attained office. I think it was (b). Roncalli promulgated heresy in Pacem in Terris. He was never pope.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    6. @anon2;51
      I have written on Lumen Gentium and its heretical ecclesiology, but not on the date.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    7. Thank you so much Introibo (from original questioner). You should do a post on this topic!

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  15. Introibo

    This is off the subject but was wanting to ask do you drink alcohol? If you don't what do you drink instead?

    From health studies, even drinking in moderation can cause problems.

    Thank you and God's blessings

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    1. @anon3:26
      I do not drink any alcohol. I drink water, tea, and diet soda.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  16. If the date was Nov 21 1964, wouldn't NO be 61 this year?

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    1. @anon4:40
      Yes, I stand corrected. Good at law, science, and theology--horrible at Math!!

      Mea culpa,

      ---Introibo

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  17. I've wondered about drinking wine like they do in Bible, since most will say all alcohol is toxic to body so why would Jesus first public miracle be changing water to wine if it is so bad for us? I do like some wines myself.

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    1. @anon5:02
      Please see my post:
      https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2020/08/sobering-thoughts.html

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  18. Introibo,

    This was a very good article. Thank you so much for sharing it. I have thought about many of these scenarios myself through the years. Throughout the years, I have heard many people say that men and women cannot be friends. I have always disagreed with that. I think that they can. As a single person, I have had female friends where I had no problem spending time with them occasionally here and there. I think the word “steady” in “steady company keeping” is the key word. It wasn’t steady where I saw them all the time. It could have been an old school friend that I would see here or there, or something similar from an old neighborhood setting where we knew each other’s families, etc. The situations I am referencing several times were with an old classmate but it was not something that would have lead to a romantic situation because I was not attracted to her in that way and she was not attracted to me in the same manner. But we had the comradery of past events that we shared and held in common e.g. reminiscing about teachers we had, neighborhood we were once a part of, etc. These types of friendships were healthy and it is the reason why I always had problems with people who said that men and women could not be friends.

    I have seen among younger millennials and Gen Z’s this notion that if a male and female go out, that they instantaneously think that they must date. In older generations, this wasn’t the case. They were more mature and they had no problems going out (as single people) with a member of the opposite sex where they could talk about deep issues and it wasn’t superficial like a lot of today’s younger generations engage in. They had deep friendships with members of the opposite sex, but they knew that they would never eventually “date” because they never saw the other person in that way. They saw clear boundaries between friendships and dating relationships. Today, this is pretty much non-existent and I find that sad, and I think many others do too.

    I have heard of some traditionalist churches where the clergyman feels that males and females must always go out in groups together. I am not talking about just young people like teen-agers but other age groups considerably older than that. Yes, there are more occasions of sin today and we have to be careful, but many people (myself included) find some of these groups overly prudish and it can be taken too far the other way. I try and follow “In Medio Stat Veritas” as much as possible. I think some trad groups can take this to the extreme the other way, and that is not healthy either.

    Again, I look at my own situation where I had great conversations with single females over coffee or dinner and we were able to talk about great topics of discussion. We knew that we were not compatible but the friendship helped us both grow as people. For example, maybe I needed advice from a female friend who I wanted insights from on what she thought of another particular female and if she saw me and that person compatible with each other. The friend could offer very good insights with her opinions on my situation and vice versa too. Among younger generations, I see such a lack of maturity and the mentality levels are just so far gone, that I would probably agree that males and females going out wouldn’t be as prudent today because what the previous generations had has been completely lost and is completely gone now.

    Hopefully this makes sense.

    -TradWarrior

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    1. Charitably speaking, your line of thinking is very flawed. It’s not in line with Catholic moral theology. This notion that it’s fine for men and women to spend time alone together whether in a coffee house, a park, without the intention of discerning a marriage vocation, but to talk about past life experiences they had in high school and “reminisce”, is a near occasion of sin. Men and women who are unmarried should never be in an empty home together. Men and women should only be talking in groups and men and women should only be conversing in a friendly way if they plan on courting and then once they start courting all the Catholic moral guidelines for courting need to be strictly followed, to do otherwise and for someone to say “I can be “friends” with the opposite sex, I won’t fall”, is very imprudent, an unnecessary near occasion, and the person is tempting God to send you the graces you need to overcome any impure thought or desire you might have during these types of interactions that you voluntary put yourself in for an unnecessary reason. Are you totally safe from these intrusive thoughts that might come into your head that you might have to violently fight off with many prayers? Men get these thoughts sometimes out of nowhere. Why would you play with the fire of the devil knowing the danger. It seems you know the danger but make excuses for spending time with females alone, or becoming “friendly” with them. Could a husband tell his wife, so and so is my friend, a female, and go to lunch with her to talk about their past teachers? Of course not. You might say “nothing would happen, we are just “friends”. Whether married or not married, one must follow the appropriate behavior when interacting with the opposite sex. For singles, it must be strictly to discern a marriage vocation, otherwise familiarity that can lead to sins against the 6th of 9th commandment is forbidden. Married people can only interact with the opposite sex if it’s regarding something professional or in a group setting. There is no being “friends” with the opposite sex just be be “friends”.

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    2. I never heard of a man being “friends” with a woman unless he was a homosexual, he hoped the friendship would turn into something romantic, but it never does so he sticks around thinking it might, or you have men who immorally become friendly and manipulate to satisfy their base impulses. Men aren’t friends with women, they are either homosexuals, looking to satisfy base impulses, or beta male orbiters. All three of these are disordered and immoral. The only moral reason to be friends with a woman is to discern and pursue the marriage vocation which then leads to a courtship that should last know more than a year because a courtship itself is a necessary near occasion of sin and shouldn’t be prolonged longer than the two need in order to decide if they are right for each other.

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      You always make sense, my friend! That's some good personal insight and "In medio stat Veritas" is how I try to live my life as well.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. @anon9:29pm

      Thank you for the reply. I see what you are saying but I tend to see this differently. I have had both male and female friends in the past and in many cases with the female friends, I wasn’t the least romantically interested in them. Their friendship though was invaluable in many ways because I learned from them and they learned from me and we both grew from conversations that we had. Had I not had those friendships, I would have actually been more hindered and seen it as a detriment because they were extremely helpful in helping us both to grow. Not once in some of these friendships did I feel I was in “a near occasion of sin” because, again, I was not romantically interested in Person X or Person Y and that never changed and I knew that I wouldn’t because I was very grounded in my beliefs that X and Y were not someone I ever saw myself dating. Could I have lived my life just fine without this or that person in my life? Absolutely, but the friendship with X and Y greatly ENRICHED (emphasis added) my life and I am very thankful to God that He allowed certain people to come into my life. It helped me become a better person and it definitely went the other way too where there were theological/philosophical conversations that we had that made her life way better too. If she went on to marry someone else, then I was very much happy for her because the Agape (Christ-like) love I had for her superseded any Eros (romantic) love that I could have had for her. Big difference! Agape love supersedes Eros love and if I had anything less than Agape love for her (or anyone for that matter), then I am the hindrance here.

      I used the words "here and there" and not “steady” because these were not steady companion keeping situations. If she was someone I saw (or felt the need to see) every day or every week consistently, then there is a problem here. Clearly we are moving into romantic territory. If a female friend approached me and said that she really needed my advice on whether Guy X or Guy Y was a possible suitable partner for her, I would have no problem offering my advice to her, even in a one-on-one situation. I wouldn’t say, “No, we need to bring 5 guys and 5 girls here and all have a group discussion about this.” Group discussions can be fine, no problem. But that is not what I am talking about here and many times people want one-on-one advice and I never saw anything wrong with that. I am not talking about two 16 year olds here. Far from it! And I certainly am not talking about a single guy meeting a married woman one-on-one here. Not at all! If a female friend had said, “I need to hear your advice on this topic. You are a mature male and I want to know what you think about.....” If I said, “Nope, you should talk this over with all of your girlfriends or you should have a group meeting of guys and girls together, etc.” that could very well have an adverse effect on the advice that she was looking for. Are some of those group meetings beneficial? Sure, absolutely. But maybe not in “this” or “that” situation because she is not looking for that then with the kind of advice that she is seeking.

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    5. CONTINUED…You said that men and women should only be talking in groups. This goes back to the point that I raised in my prior post. I have heard from some people that there are some trad clergymen who feel that single males and single females must always be in group settings. Again, I get trying to avoid occasions of sin. That goes without saying. My question is, is this universal? Some clergymen think that not only teen-agers should always be in group settings but people in their 20’s, 30’s, and MUCH older must ALWAYS be in group settings and never alone with members of the opposite sex. Others strongly disagree. Who is right? Do two 62 year olds need to each bring 5 of their friends along because they may suddenly occupy unchaste thoughts? Isn’t there such a thing as self-control, especially as one progresses more and more in the spiritual life (which I do get, most people today do not have even a decent spiritual life).

      I mentioned “In Medio Stat Veritas” for a reason. It goes well beyond this topic. I have seen many people go to extremes in one form or another and if one goes too far the other way, it very quickly can lead to culty behavior that is extremely unhealthy as well. I have been in plenty of group settings (yes, group settings) with trads where the behavior of the people I was with was so cultish that I was absolutely nauseated by it and embarrassed when other people around made the comments, “Why are YOU, of all people, in a group like this?” The point was very clearly taken and they didn’t even need to say it because I was thinking the same thing well before it was even observed by others.

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      I get what you are saying, but my response to you is similar to my response to the other poster above. You said “Men aren’t friends with women, they are either homosexuals, looking to satisfy base impulses, or beta male orbiters.” I had female friends throughout my life and I am none of the three things you mentioned. Where does that leave your argument? I am not a homosexual, I had no base impulses to satisfy (my primary focus was on God), and I am not a beta male. All three would not describe me. In fact, the scenarios you describe would actually detest me. I was once a part of a group of people where the males were Beta males and it really nauseated me to such a high level that I cut ties with the entire group of people and it was to my tremendous benefit. I remarked to one of the females that the guys in this particular group were not masculine (and they weren’t!) and it was very annoying. She didn’t understand where I was coming from at all and it ticked her off greatly! Again, I appreciate your reply, but I see this whole thing very differently. For the record, I have known people who have agreed with you and the above poster that replied to me, but I have also known a lot of people that would side with me on this. Perhaps we can agree to disagree. It does make for an interesting discussion, doesn’t it!

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      -TradWarrior

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    7. I certainly see things different and I think most moral theologians throughout the history of The Church, and many Sedevacantist clergy today would agree with my points stated above, but perhaps not all. You might have described a few situations that can be considered remote occasions of sin and not necessarily near occasions, like giving some advice once in a while to a female that asks , depending on the subject. My point is that men and women are not to become familiar with each other unless they are discerning a marriage vocation. Going out in groups is a way to start the marriage vocation process. There is a level of self control we must have when dealing with the opposite sex, but we have to ask ourselves what is necessary and what is unnecessary? That’s the question. Is going to the grocery store to buy food where immodest women will be necessary? Yes. We have to eat. But isn’t it better to go on an off hour to avoid these immoral things. If we can’t go at an off hour we must have custody of our eyes. Also, courtship is a necessary near occasion of sin, but we have to practice virtue and ask for God’s graces to avoid sin. But there are many things that are unnecessary. Like meeting with women to have nostalgic conversations about past high school experiences. Being around women and becoming familiar with them must have a specific and ordered purpose. It must be a necessary purpose. It can’t be because someone thinks this person is a great listener and a shoulder to lean on. You need advice. Talk to a priest. She needs advice. Talk to a priest. Now, you can give advice which doesn’t take long and without becoming overly familiar. The point is. There is no reason to be friends with females. If the three reasons given up above don’t suffice, and you don’t fit into one of those, then it just comes down to you being attached to and/or unperturbed by this sort of pleasure you get from these interactions. And whether you think they are dangerous or not, they very often can be. I’ve heard it said that remote unnecessary occasions involving impurity should also be avoided like a contagion, because the sin is very easy to fall into.

      “He that loves danger shall perish in it.”  (Ecclus. 3.27)

      “A  treasure  is  never  safe,”  says  St.  Cyprian,  “as  long  as  a  robber  is  harbored  within;  nor is  a  lamb  secure  while  it  dwells  in  the  same  den  with  a  wolf.” 

      Eve thought she could go look at the apple, and then ate it.

      It’s Prideful to dialogue with father of lies.

      Saint Augustine talked about vice of impurity as common but the victory over it are rare.

      Devil will say “don’t be afraid, you have to live your life”

      Tempting God by daring Him to keep you in the state of grace as the person voluntarily puts themselves in dangerous situations is a sin.

      And finally, the Devil attacks those in state of grace, those striving to be holy, pirates attack ships with valuable cargo.

      I hope what I say and share can be of some help and moral guidance. I don’t know everything but I know we must protect our souls and help others to do the same.

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    8. @anon8:10pm

      You said “There is no reason to be friends with females.” Going all the way back to the ancient Greeks, they spoke of Philia as not only an important love (between those of the same sex OR opposite sex) but according to some of them, the most important of the loves. Certainly, Agape is the highest love but many felt that Philia was the most important love. This thinking of the ancient Greeks carried well over into the Christian era, so I strongly disagree when you say there is no reason to be friends with those of the opposite sex. Again, I had friendships with females and I never felt the inclination to date many of them. Could I have been fine never having their friendship as part of my life? Of course! My ultimate focus has always been on God. But my life was FAR MORE enriched because of these friendships and many others would also say the same thing among MANY people that I know. They also are thankful to God that they had deep friendships with the opposite sex. Much of what you say is fine, regarding remote and near occasions of sin, etc. I agree with much of it and in today’s culture, with how far it has sunk, one must be even MORE on guard. No argument there at all. But friendship among those of the same or opposite sex is so embedded in human history, since the beginning of time, that it’s almost puzzling that you could say there is no reason to be friends with females. Aristotle saw Philia as most necessary in life. St. Thomas Aquinas said “There is nothing on this earth more to be prized than true friendship.” He saw friendship between those of the opposite sex as certainly possible. St. Augustine, St. Teresa of Avila, St. Francis de Sales, and SO MANY more people spoke about the need for friendship with BOTH the same AND the opposite sex. Popes had female saints that they consulted with and had very deep friendships with. Yet you say, “There is no reason to be friends with females.” Interesting!

      It is true that Philia can run the risk of moving into Eros. I have always said that and the greatest of thinkers throughout the centuries have clearly echoed this as well, but not always. It is possible for relationships to stay at the Philia level. I would argue that many of the best relationships were those that were Philia relationships between males and females, that never moved into Eros because to do so would have destroyed the Philia relationship in these particular set of circumstances and both the male and female did not want to jeopardize that. Why were some of these the greatest relationships? Because they had Agape love as the overlying arch that bonded these two souls. What I am talking about in our world today is VERY FOREIGN and something that was FAR more common in ages long ago. Our world operates very differently now and it has fallen so very low. That is truly sad.

      One final point: It is always best to find a traditional Catholic if one is considering marriage as a vocation. It is the most ideal situation. And yet, I know some traditional Catholics who preferred to marry a Novus Ordo over a traditional Catholic because they didn’t like the pool of traditional Catholics that they were surrounded by. And this has been told to me BY FEMALES! Why do you suppose that is? (this is a rhetorical question) Interesting, isn’t it.

      -TradWarrior

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      “What I am talking about in our world today is VERY FOREIGN and something that was FAR more common in ages long ago. Our world operates very differently now and it has fallen so very low”.

      I agree our world operates very differently now since we are swimming in a tub of moral filth, which but I don’t think that platonic relationships between opposite sexes was far more common in medieval Europe. This is the main crux of my argument. Perhaps I need to be a bit more specific. The point I am making is that male and female interactions outside of discerning and pursuing the marriage vocation within the proper moral guidelines, would have to be necessary and ordered. What is the purpose of the interaction? It should be for a purpose which is for the glory of God and entirely prudent. I understand that Saint Teresa of Avila and Saint John of The Cross collaborated together to achieve great spiritual goods. We can call this a “friendship”. Saint Catherine of Siena counseled Pope Gregory XI, this was for the good of Holy Mother Church. We can say they had a “friendship”. I have talked with married women, widowed women, and nuns about Catholic related topics and daily life after Church on Church grounds. We might say we are friendly with these people or they are “friends”. It’s important to know the state of life of that person, the setting, the conversation, the purpose of the interaction. I would not, as a single man, become overly familiar, or be “friends” with another single woman without the purpose of pursuing the marriage vocation. Saint Teresa of Avila and Saint John of The Cross, two saints, two very virtuous people working to save souls, who are called to monastic life, is not the same dynamic as two single people, man and women, living in the world, setting up time to meet in a coffeehouse to shoot the breeze. Again, we must define friendship, and I don’t see why a single man and a single woman would be friends, especially in the modern word, without there being the goal of marriage as the end. What is necessary, what is the risk, what is prudent? I can have male friends, consult a priest, without having to arrange time to sit and talk with a female about life and other topics. You may be able to control yourself and perhaps it’s a remote occasion but you could be a near occasion for the other person. Where do the Saints say it’s fine for singles who are not discerning marriage to be overly familiar with the opposite sex? I’m making a specific point here, and Pope Gregory XI receiving spiritual counsel from the great mystic Saint is not the same as sitting in a park with a female laughing and reminiscing about the past.

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      Okay, that last post you wrote was quite good. I would say that we are pretty much on the same page, my friend. I just wanted to clarify too, wherever I post something in CAPS, I am not yelling, only adding emphasis. I do this sometimes in my posts to add extra effect, but I am not yelling, so please do not take it that way (not that you did). Your posts make a lot of sense and I actually am pretty much right there with you on everything. Also, I do not really even hold remote company with female friends, as I have a very demanding schedule between my job and other obligations in life that consume me. It is definitely an interesting topic though. Topics like these would be great to discuss in person, instead of on a blog where we all type behind aliases, but that is the nature of this form of communication. Thank you very much for your input. It is definitely appreciated and we all learn a lot from each other’s comments on this blog. Let’s keep each other in prayer.

      God bless you,

      -TradWarrior

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    11. Thanks. God bless you. I’m glad we could discuss this topic.

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  19. What is your favourite diet soda Introibo? I like Doctor Pepper and Ginger Pop.

    Like me I am sure you have seen untold damage that alcohol does to people.Those like folk addicted to porn has the same damage to mind and health.

    You are a blessing to us for your common sense and advice.Thank you for the time you dedicate to us and answering our questions.

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      Diet Pepsi (Caffeine Free), and Diet Coke.
      I've seen MANY lives ruined by alcohol.

      Thank you for the kind words, my friend! They keep me writing.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  20. Well the chemicals in sodas are very toxic...fyi.

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  21. TradWarrior...well I am single woman and being so has been extremely difficult on many levels. Men only wanted one thing from my teen years until now almost 60! I am actually younger than the Novus Ordo. Ha. When I did date in my younger years...one boyfriend had a gal pal that seemed so wrong and secretive. I doubted him often and it led me to leave him and I never "dated" anyone again. I was finding the false NO church and then 15 years later would find the True Church. As I said, the men I met only wanted one thing. This world is so sick. And I understand the people who keep to themselves as noted above in Trad chapels. Sadly many I have met do not even profess the True Faith. They suffer from Latin Mass-ism and still novus ordites.

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      Thank you for the reply. I am sorry to hear about your situation and will certainly keep you in my prayers.

      God bless you,

      -TradWarrior

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  22. Anon 9.46PM

    I am a middle aged single man and I agree being so has been extremely difficult on many levels too. I have only done the best and be kind to women and ended up being hurt.

    I am hardworking in a professional job and financially comfortable. I live a clean moral life and take my Traditional Faith seriously. I have set my sights on women(i.e those attending the Latin Mass) and then have my hopes destroyed by discovering major red flags or the dad and mom for some strange reason not liking me.

    A wise old man told me once after I had explained my stories ,don't upset yourself. You should turn things around and realise you were too good for them. Why would you want inlaws like that. God may have called you to the single state so you can put energy into your work.

    One final thing, some of these woman I had set my sights on ended up getting married to men who went through the motion of getting married in a Traditional Church but were basically Novus Ordo. A year after they stop attending and then start sending the children to a Novus Ordo school. These men the dad and mom had no problems with. I look back now and think how crazy.

    I will keep you in my prayers. Know that someone else is in the same situation.

    God bless

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  23. God bless you too! Will pray for all of us in these situations. I am not financially sound after covid scam. My business was and remains crushed. Such scary times!

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  24. @anon 9:46

    I’m also a single middle aged man and have accepted the single vocation as the will of God. I thought about marriage in the past, and even now, I occasionally think about the joys of having a family and providing and protecting them and raising children in the Catholic Faith and continuing my lineage, but I realize I’m much better suited to the single life. I’m a melancholic-choleric. I enjoy long periods of solitude and enjoy quiet settings. I do better being alone and I’m content with quiet reflection and can only interact with people for short periods of time. I enjoy conversing with people every so often, but would prefer my own company most of the time. I certainly love my neighbor for the sake of God, but not by always being around them, and more through prayer. I have my own faults as well that don’t always work well in the marriage vocation, Pride and impatience being two of them.

    Also, the choices for good men out there are very minuscule. Feminism has infected the souls of most modern day women and they are in full revolt against their own natures and the divine order. Their behavior is often immature and horrifying. The bad language they use, their support for the most immoral and grotesque sins one can imagine (abortion, sodomy, contraception, divorce, etc). Most modern women, not all, have become callous corporate drones, who like sipping wine, they think their dogs are their children, and they think promiscuity is a some sort of “virtue” that must be pursued. They think they are men and have no concept of what it means to respect men and support men. And good women have a hard time finding good men, because they have become effeminate, and they avoid the arduous and taking the lead in many situations. We have giant goof balls walking around idolizing sports figures, drinking beer, who are slaves to their passions. These are not real men. So it’s a mess out there. Even “traditional” Catholic men and women have been corrupted by these very wicked times. I always paid attention to RED FLAGS with women and there are many, some not so easy to spot, but they are there.? I ran the other way when I noticed these troubling signs, or behavior that could pose problems later on in a marriage.

    The single vocation is a higher vocation than marriage. There are many great things about living the single vocation. More time for prayer, good deeds, reading, learning new skills (language, fixing things, etc.), more time to help others, but most of all, more time to grow closer to God and work out your salvation with less distractions. We must love and embrace God’s will and accept all our crosses and know that whatever our vocation might be, that’s the best way for us to save our souls.

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    1. I am with you on many levels here, as a single woman. Yes, most women and men are...as you say, are slaves to the culture and the sin of human respecf. It is so sad to me that people won't look at the facts and accept such novus ordo nonsense! I too love the solitude and quiet and just growing closer to Him, I hope! God bless you.

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      Very well said. I could not have put it any better.

      God bless you,

      -TradWarrior

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  25. Hello Anon 13th Nov 9.46PM

    I read your comment and so sorry to hear what happened.I will pray for your too.

    Anon 5:01 PM and 7:40 PM

    I am another middle aged man who has discovered after many years of hurt by woman claiming to be Traditional Catholic i.e those attending the SSPX. That God has called me to the single state.I have more time to devote to prayer, spiritual reading , helping the sick and my job which is a calling.I agree many young woman are very immature and like to play games.Most have no manners.Our world is in trouble.

    Traditional Catholic Man
    Australia

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    1. @anon12:05am,

      Nice post. I agree with you. Thank you for sharing.

      -TradWarrior

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  26. Introibo, this is your second straight blog post where you mention the subject of online porn. Your previous post of Nov. 3 was devoted to AI, and you briefly noted how AI might augment the online porn issue. Online porn is touched upon above in your second paragraph (in red) but in only one sentence, and that with only a 12% number. And hardly anyone is commenting upon this, either in this comment section, or in the previous comment section.

    According to astronomer estimates, our Milky Way galaxy might contain about 200 billion suns (= hydrogen fusion reactors), and our universe might contain about 200 billion galaxies. Just imagine -- if you can -- what God must be like, to bring all that into existence ex nihilo, with all the "fine-tuning" the physicists think was involved. Mind-numbing. Sobering. What is eternity like?

    The online porn problem isn't a problem as a big as the universe. But neither is it a small problem. Just by asking Google the simple question ' How much Internet use is porn related? ' the Google AI response comes up with the 12% number you note, but in absolute terms, what this means, is that out of the estimated 250 million websites (from an AD 2020 study) about 30 million were considered to be porn websites. If there were 500 videos per such website, that would tally up to 15 billion porn videos. And why couldn't AI increase that tenfold, up to 150 billion porn videos? (Think big. USA debts are now going exponential. Tens of trillions. Will it end in a hyperinflationary supernova?)

    The percentage of USA adults aged 18-35 who view online porn every week = consistently at least weekly? Men = 87%, and women = 28.5%. Percentage of Internet searches related to porn? About 25%. The percentage of online data transfers related to porn = 35%. In summary, methinks that your bare citation of a 12% number, makes the problem seem smaller than it actually is.

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      I understand your point. Twelve percent doesn't seem like much, but it is when viewed from the totality of the situation. For example, making 2% on your investments isn't much, unless you're very wealthy and the balance upon which your getting the interest is $500 million. You could live on that 2% quite comfortably.

      Be assured, I wouldn't have mentioned it, if I didn't think it was a major problem---and even a small amount of porn is ALWAYS too much!!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  27. To Nov. 13 at 9:46PM above, may God bless you.

    Deja vu?!? You sound rather familiar by now. We read about how you are almost 60, and still a single woman, and that as far as you can tell, men have an interest in you for only one thing = a certain part of your body, devoid of any attention paid to the eternal welfare of your lovely soul. Over the past 3-4 months, someone has been commenting just like you, in the comment sections of several of Introibo's blog posts here. I assume it's probably just you, basically repeating yourself, which you are perfectly free to do, if you want to do that. Or maybe there is more than one of you. Anyway...

    Maybe you live in the USA? If so, you probably would be familiar with "Time" and "Newsweek" magazines. If you've ever been to a large library and seen the in-paper issues of these magazines from the 1940s to the 1960s, you'd see that almost all the time, the women dressed wearing dresses. Ditto for public school USA high school yearbooks from that era. Around the early 1970s, that changed into "the uniform" adopted for reasons of sinful vanity and conformity, by the Novus Ordo Eves. Skin-tight blue jeans. Prostitute attire. You get what you pay for. You reap what you sow. If you dress(ed) like that, why would you be surprised that men think you are a prostitute??? Only very small subsets of society, like the Amish, managed to resist this diabolical clothing trend. We regressed right back into the Garden of Eden. The Eves have been seducing the Adams on a grand scale. And TV made the problem quickly go world-wide.

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    1. To Nov. 15 at 5:15P (below) from 2:30A (above)

      Thank you very, very much, 5:15P (below) for drawing attention to what I now see to be a substantial defect in my wording of 2:30A (above), concerning: "YOU get what... YOU reap what... If YOU dress(ed) like that, why would YOU be..." - What I actually intended with these repeated mentions of "YOU", was to refer to "women in general in (USA) society at large". The word "society" is in the following sentence, followed by the word "Amish" (= women in general). Mention also can be made of a substantial proportion of Islamic women in the USA who, like the Amish, stick to their highly modest traditional garb, and avoid too tight-fitting or revealing clothing. Also, above, Eve is twice in the plural = Eves = SOCIETY wide issue. But I also could/should have avoided misunderstanding by rewording that sentence by saying "If ANY OF you dress(ed) like that..." - Lacking those two words "ANY OF" being added in, I can now see how people might think I'm arrogantly (?!) "diagnosing the problem" of 9:46P, and lecturing her about it! That was NOT my intent! Obviously, I know NOTHING about her particular situation apropos! Although in her teen years, 9:46P might have been a bad dresser. Who wasn't? But this here is MY proofreading fault. Mea maxima culpa! It should also be noted that men can dress immodestly too, with pants or shirts too tight-fitting or otherwise inappropriate.

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  28. I don't know if I am the same person but I would not say men thought I was a prostitute but yes sadly I grew up Novus Ordo and part of the culture. Most novus ordties I know lived a similar experience but still found spouses...but they are mostly either conservative novus ordites whose spouse and often their children are fallen away, although from the novus disordo.

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  29. Introibo,

    Thank you for writing this.
    I heard recently that marriages could be annulled (or were invalid?) because one or both of the parties involved never had any intention of having children prior to and at the time of the ceremony. This came from traditional Catholic clergy. What do you make of this, and does it matter if one or both parties had this view? What if the marriage was consummated? If a party changed their mind regarding children, does that matter? Thanks.

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      Your questions are very good ones and very loaded ones. Absent a pope in these times, these present very difficult situations that are both complicated and not easy to resolve. I will let Introibo respond to you more though since you addressed him directly. He can add much more to this topic. But I like your questions very much!

      God bless you,

      -TradWarrior

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      In sedevacante there is no Magisterial authority to determine things that are not clear cut. When it comes to marriage annulments, no one should be giving them out except in rare circumstances, e.g., a woman discovers her husband was secretly married in the Church to another woman and was able to keep it a secret when he left her. If the first wife was alive when the second marriage was attempted, that putative marriage to the second wife is null and void. Clear and simple.

      The only other way to be certain is marriages between singles (never married) and widows/widowers. Unless your wife/husband dies, you have no authority that can definitively declare it null and void. Be careful before you marry!!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  30. Anon 15 Nov 2.30AM
    Agree with what you are saying.The dress standards of today are just disgusting even some "Trads" outside of going to Mass.Sure that the dress standards of Nov 13 9.46 PM has nothing to do with what she is talking about. Know a number of both men and woman who have suffered trauma after dating and remained single.Sure Introibo and others could give examples.Prayers for that woman.God's blessings

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    1. Thank you. Yes, I don't think my dress style made anyone think I was a prostitute even though I grew up in novus ordo culture world and dressed poorly during teens and 20s but still had classic style of dress. Commenter above is immune to the poisons of the world I guess, good for him. I am happy to imitate St Mary Magdalene I do not know one traditional person and I know thousands of people. The world gets smaller and lonlier each day with all so deceived. I only add my poor 2 cents to these comments to sympathize and relate with others. God bless all!

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  31. I agree with the above comments about alcohol.I have seen so marriages and lives destroyed .
    What's your thoughts Introibo on most beers,etc contain chemicals.

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    1. @anon6:16
      Chemicals seem to be in everything these days. Alcohol is bad in and of itself without even having to discuss chemicals. It wasn't chemicals that made me a life-long alcohol-free man!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  32. Why would wine be so prominent in the Bible and the Faith if so bad for us? Bread is mostly bad too.

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    1. @anon3:50
      I don’t believe it’s per se bad. The chemicals from production are of recent origin. Like alcohol, the abuse of sex has caused so much damage in the world, to our bodies, minds, and souls. However, that was not GOD’S plan; seems like the human race can ruin anything.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  33. https://www.fromrome.info/2025/11/14/yweneedcatholicpope-to-restore-the-true-catholic-faith/

    I wonder why people who seem so learned, can see that V2 should be condemned etc but cannot see the heresies of all the V2 popes? He mentions sedevacantists do nothing.
    Why are there no sede voices more prominent? I heard a sede priest, I think, say recently he wished he could have been more vocal about the Blessed Mother like Charlie Kirk was...
    Meanwhile, more Charlie Kirk and his non profit corruption charges have arisen

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