All of us familiar with the Vatican II sect know it was a creation of what was supposed to be the 21st Ecumenical Council of the Church. Since the alleged "pope" who convoked it (Roncalli--John XXIII), and the alleged "pope" who signed the documents (Montini--Paul VI) were not true Vicars of Christ, the Council and its decrees are worthless. Nevertheless, how many Traditionalists understand what, exactly, an Ecumenical Council is and what it is supposed to do? How many understand what Vatican II produced and how it cannot be reconciled with true Catholic teaching? In this post, I will set forth in part one, the theology of an Ecumenical Council, and in part two, the specifics regarding Vatican II. The information for part one I have gotten and condensed from theologian Fenton in a chapter he wrote for a theological work entitled The General Council: Special Studies in Doctrinal and Historical Background, CUA Press, , pgs. 149-182.
Part One:The Theology of Councils
- How many kinds of Church councils are there?
According to Theologian Turrecremata there are three classes of councils: Ecumenical (aka "Universal" or "General"), provincial councils, and diocesan synods. The last two categories are usually disciplinary in nature and are a function of the Authentic Magisterium. Unless specially promulgated by the pope, they have no binding force upon the entire Church.
An Ecumenical Council, Turrecremata defines as, "...the congregation of the major prelates convoked by the special authority of the Roman Pontiff to deal solemnly and with common purpose with the Christian religion under the presidency of the Pope or his delegate." (Cited by theologian Fenton, as above, pg. 158).
If an Ecumenical Council teaches on a matter of Faith and/or morals it is infallible by the extraordinary Magisterium (i.e., in Dogmatic Canons approved by the pope) or by virtue of the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium (UOM) if not by Dogmatic Canons.
Even in matters of Universal Disciplinary Law, all decrees would be infallible.
There have been twenty Ecumenical Councils from Nicea I in 325 AD to the Vatican Council of 1870.
- What are the twelve reasons for which Ecumenical Councils can/should be called?
2. That there may be a more solemn and extensive authority for the repudiation of heresy and the condemnation of heretics
3. To put an end to schism
4. For bringing back heretics into the Church, and/or for the confutation of heretics through disputation
5. When great and powerful enemies face the Church
6. To ask God's guidance required for the proper direction of the Church
7. When grave danger or grave threat of persecution faces the Church, and when the aid of the entire Church is considered requisite to deal with this problem
8. In order that the integrity or the solidity of the Faith may be assured through a complete acceptance of the constitutions and the definitions issued by some preceding council--there would be failure on the part of considerable numbers of prelates to enforce the decrees issued previously by one of the sovereign pontiffs
9. In order to inquire into a suspicion of heresy directed against the Roman Pontiff [Turrecremata held, as do all theologians and canonists since at least the Vatican Council of 1870, that the Roman Pontiff, as a private theologian, can fall into heresy and lose the pontificate. This would not be the case of a Council judging the pope (which cannot be done), but of a Council under a pontiff judging whether or not a previous pope was a heretic and non-pope.]
10. In order to defend the Roman Pontiff against attacks made against him
11. When there is grave doubt as to the validity of a papal election
12. For a more efficacious, solemn, and universal reformation of the Church
- What is to be done if the decrees of one Council seemingly ran counter to another Council?
1. Where there are two genuine Ecumenical Councils, both of which are legitimately approved by the Holy See, there is no possibility of any contradiction between them in matters of Faith and Morals.
2. Where there is a difference in terminology, it is essential that the meaning set forth in the earlier of these two legitimate Ecumenical Councils should not be represented as having been modified or corrected by the later Council.
3. Where laws passed or enacted by a later Council differ from precepts imposed by a former Council, those of the more recent Council are to be followed.
- What are the six causes which make the calling of an Ecumenical Council useful?
2. Two heal a schism between two or more men (who have reasons to be taken seriously) claiming to be the validly elected Roman Pontiff
3. The common and united resistance against some enemy of the Church
4. The suspicion of heresy against some Roman Pontiff
5. A serious doubt as to the validity of a papal election
6. The general reformation of abuses and vices that have crept into the Church
Part Two: Vatican II Facts In Light of the Above Principles
- When did Vatican II take place and why was it convoked?
Vatican II opened on October 11, 1962 and closed on December 8, 1965. There were four (4) sessions:
First Session: October 11 to December 8, 1962.
Second Session: September 29 to December 4, 1963.
Third Session: September 14 to November 21, 1964.
Fourth Session: September 14 to December 8, 1965.
You will look in vain among the reasons for calling an Ecumenical Council (listed above) which would justify Vatican II.
- How many documents did Vatican II produce?
- What were the documents about?
Lumen Gentium, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church
Dei Verbum, Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation
Sacrosanctum Concilium, Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy
Gaudium et Spes, Constitution on the Church in the Modern World
The nine decrees:
Christus Dominus, The Pastoral Charge of Bishops
Presbyterorum Ordinis, The Ministry of Priests
Perfectae Caritatis, Restoration and Adaptation of Religious Life
Optatam Totius, Training Priests
Apostolicam Actuositatem, Apostolate of the Laity
Ad Gentes, Missionary Activity of the Church
Orientalium Ecclesiarum, The Eastern Rite Churches
Unitatis Redintegratio, Ecumenism
Inter Mirifica, Social Communication
The three declarations:
Dignitatis Humanae, Religious Liberty
Nostra Aetate, Relationship of the Church with non-Christian Religions
Gravissimum Educationis Momentum, Christian Education
- Are these documents of the Council compatible with past Councils and papal teachings?
- How is this possible? Wouldn't the Holy Ghost prevent the pope from promulgating error, evil, and outright heresy?
Therefore, we must conclude either: (a) the Church can defect and we must deny the dogma of Indefectibility, ceasing to be Catholic [and give $teve $kojec a large donation on his useless blog] OR (b) Montini was not the pope. This is the precise reason I'm a sedevacantist.
You will often hear Feeneyites claim e.g., that Pope Pius XII taught Baptism of Desire in his Address to Midwives, which is not infallible, so it doesn't affect his papacy. They get it exactly wrong. They understand defection in a way contrary to Church teaching. As St. Alphonsus Liguori teaches, "If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate."(See Oeuvres Completes. 9:232; Emphasis mine). The defection can't take place in his official capacity as pope. It is not that Paul VI was a true pope, picked up his pen, signed Lumen Gentium, and the Holy Ghost left him because he ceased to be pope. Rather, had Paul VI been pope on November 21, 1964, the Holy Ghost would have prevented him from signing that document. The fact that he signed is morally certain proof that he had already fallen from office through the profession of heresy as a private person.
- What are the major errors of Vatican II?
- Explain these two major errors and how they conflict with past Church teaching.
The paragraph in question states, "This Church [of Christ] constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity." (Emphasis mine). The Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church, because She possesses all the "elements" of the Church of Christ, but the Church of Christ also subsists in other religions according to how many "elements" they possess. To have all the elements is best, but having just some is good too, and it brings religions to "unity" and people to salvation.
Traditional Teaching: "22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed...It follows that those who are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit." (See Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi, para. #22; Emphasis mine)
Vatican II applied by "St." JPII (Wojtyla): "There is an increased awareness that we all belong to Christ...It is rooted in recognition of the oneness of Baptism...This is something much more than an act of ecumenical courtesy; it constitutes a basic ecclesiological statement." (See Ut Unum Sint, para. #42; Emphasis mine).
2. Ecumenism. The traditional and true teaching of the Church is that salvation is found in the One True Church alone. All other religions are false and are pathways to Hell. True ecumenism is converting those outside the Church. In Unitatis Redintegratio, we read in para. #3: "For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them [false sects] as means of salvation..." In Nostra Aetate we read, "She [the Church] regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men." (para. #2).
Traditional Teaching: "We shall praise St. Gregory the Great who expressly testifies that this indeed is the teaching of the Catholic Church. He says: 'The holy universal Church teaches that it is not possible to worship God truly except in Her and asserts that all who are outside of Her will not be saved.' Official acts of the Church proclaim the same dogma. Thus, in the decree on faith which Innocent III published with the synod of Lateran IV, these things are written: 'There is one universal Church of all the faithful outside of which no one is saved.'" (Pope Gregory XVI, Summo Iugiter Studio, para. #5;Emphasis mine).
Vatican II teaches: "Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination...The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions...The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems." (See Nostra Aetate, para. #2 and 3; Emphasis mine).
- What are we to conclude about Vatican II?
2. It taught great evils, especially a false and heretical ecclesiology and an evil ecumenism.
3. These false and evil teachings directly contradict the teachings of all past popes and Councils.
4. The Church cannot give that which is false and/or evil. It is the dogma of Indefectibility.
5. Therefore, these evil teachings were produced by a false Robber Council, convoked by a false pope (John XXIII) and promulgated by another false pope (Paul VI).
Vatican II and its false popes created a new, man-made sect that is not Catholic and must be rejected.
There have only been twenty Ecumenical Councils from 325 AD to 1870. The alleged twenty-first Council can in no way be considered legitimate, nor can its "popes." There is nothing to "recognize and resist." There is only a man-made sect spawned in the Masonic Lodges and constructed by Modernists, both of whom take their marching orders from Satan. We must rather be part of the Traditionalist movement, the remnant of the One True Church. The Vatican II sect we must "denounce and destroy" by making others aware and getting them to leave and join with us.