Monday, September 21, 2020

Enough Bad Theology To Plague A Saint

On October 14, 2018, Jorge Bergoglio ("Pope" Francis) "canonized" his equally false pope predecessor in the Vatican II sect, Giovanni Montini ("Pope" Paul VI) as a "saint." Canonizations are infallible declarations that a person's soul is in Heaven and their life is worthy of emulation by all the faithful. Montini was a scoundrel and apostate; he could not possibly be a saint. Therefore, Bergoglio's declaration is wrong, and consequently, he cannot be the pope. You think this would be enough to wake up the "recognize and resistors" ("R&R") to the fact that we are in a state of sedevacante. Not a chance.

$teve $kojec, operator of the website OnePeterFive, believes the Church can defect. The only way to tell what teachings of the Magisterium are legitimate, is to make a large contribution to $teve, so he can make six figures and become your very own uber-Magisterium, letting you know what you can and cannot believe from "Pope" Francis and his "hierarchy." Almost two years ago, $kojec published an article by Peter Kwasniewski entitled Why We Need Not (and Should Not) Call Paul VI ‘Saint.’ It can be read in full here: https://onepeterfive.com/paul-vi-not-saint/#_ednref1.

 Kwasniewski's CV appears on the website as follows:
Dr. Peter Kwasniewski, Thomistic theologian, liturgical scholar, and choral composer, is a graduate of Thomas Aquinas College and The Catholic University of America. He has taught at the International Theological Institute in Austria; the Franciscan University of Steubenville’s Austria Program; and Wyoming Catholic College, which he helped establish in 2006. Today he is a full-time writer and speaker on traditional Catholicism (sic), writing regularly for OnePeterFive, New Liturgical Movement, LifeSiteNews, and other websites and print publications. He has published eight books, the most recent being Reclaiming Our Roman Catholic Birthright: The Genius and Timeliness of the Traditional Latin Mass (Angelico, 2020). Visit his website at www.peterkwasniewski.com.

While sounding impressive, Dr. Kwasniewski's article is far from it, and his writing shows the inherent weakness of those who pass for "theologians" in the Vatican II sect. The purpose of this post is to show the errors in Dr. Kwasniewski's (hereinafter "DK") article, and the absurd consequences of his teaching.

Getting It Wrong--Times Seven
DK begins by admitting, In short, for us, it is impossible to accept that a pope such as this [Montini] could ever be canonized. Yet, he was canonized by Francis. How does DK get out of the conundrum of recognizing Bergoglio as pope while rejecting his canonization of Montini? He rejects the infallibility of canonizations. Much like Feeneyites who think popes only need to be obeyed when speaking infallibly, if he can prove that such declarations of sainthood are non-infallible, then (so his faulty reasoning goes) we can "pick and choose" our saints, just like the R&R accepts or rejects whatever they like and dislike from their "pope." I will pass over the fact that just because the pope does not decree something infallibly does not thereby mean you get to ignore said decree. There are enough problems with DK's thesis that I need not even go there. 

DK sets out seven topics regarding canonizations to prove his thesis:
(1) The status of canonizations, (2) The purpose of canonizations, (3) The process of canonization, (4) What is objectionable in Paul VI?, (5) What is admirable in Paul VI?, (6) The limits of canonization’s meaning, and (7) Practical consequences. I will address each one below. 

1. The purpose of canonizations.
DK begins with an attack on Neo-scholastic theologians pre-Vatican II. While historically the majority of theologians have defended the view of the infallibility of canonizations – especially neoscholastic theologians who tend to be extreme ultramontanists [1] – the Church herself has, in fact, never taught this as binding doctrine [2]. In his two footnotes, #1 states For example, arguing that all papal disciplinary acts that bear on the entire church must be inerrant and certainly favoring the common good – a position that one might have defended earlier in history, but which, at the present moment, is nothing less than grossly risible. 

His use of the pejorative term "ultramontanist" belies his Modernist tendencies. According to the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, "Ultramontanism, a term used to denote integral and active Catholicism, because it recognizes as its spiritual head the pope, who, for the greater part of Europe, is a dweller beyond the mountains (ultra montes), that is, beyond the Alps." (See https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15125a.htm). 

The term is now appropriated by Modernists to denigrate those who correctly defend the prerogatives of the papacy. Here's what Pope St. Pius X had to say about Neo-Scholastic philosophy:  "So far as studies are concerned, it is Our will and We hereby explicitly ordain that the Scholastic philosophy be considered as the basis of sacred studies. . . . And what is of capital importance in prescribing that Scholastic philosophy is to be followed, We have in mind particularly the philosophy which has been transmitted to us by St. Thomas Aquinas. It is Our desire that all the enactments of Our Predecessor [Pope Leo XIII] in respect thereto be maintained in full force; and, where need be, We renew and confirm them and order them to be strictly observed by all concerned. Let Bishops urge and compel their observance in future in any Seminary in which they may have been neglected. The same injunction applies also to Superiors of Religious Orders."(See Motu Proprio Doctoris Angeliciof 6/29/1914). 

Canonizations are protected as secondary objects of infallibility. According to theologian Van Noort,

PROPOSITION 2: The secondary object of infallibility comprises all those matters which are so closely connected with the revealed deposit that revelation itself would be imperiled unless an absolutely certain decision could he made about them.

The charism of infallibility was bestowed upon the Church so that the latter could piously safeguard and confidently explain the deposit of Christian revelation, and thus could be in all ages the teacher of Christian truth and of the Christian way of life. But if the Church is to fulfill this purpose, it must be infallible in its judgment of doctrines and facts which, even though not revealed, are so intimately connected with revelation that any error or doubt about them would constitute a peril to the faith. Furthermore, the Church must be infallible not only when it issues a formal decree, but also when it performs some action which, for all practical purposes, is the equivalent of a doctrinal definition.

One can easily see why matters connected with revelation are called the secondary object of infallibility. Doctrinal authority and infallibility were given to the Church’s rulers that they might safeguard and confidently explain the deposit of Christian revelation. That is why the chief object of infallibility, that, namely, which by its very nature falls within the scope of infallibility, includes only the truths contained in the actual deposit of revelation. Allied matters, on the other hand, which are not in the actual deposit, but contribute to its safeguarding and security, come within the purview of infallibility not by their very nature, but rather by reason of the revealed truth to which they are annexed. As a result, infallibility embraces them only secondarily. It follows that when the Church passes judgment on matters of this sort, it is infallible only insofar as they are connected with revelation.

When theologians go on to break up the general statement of this thesis into its component parts, they teach that the following individual matters belong to the secondary object of infallibility: 1. theological conclusions; 2. dogmatic facts; 3. the general discipline of the Church; 4. approval of religious orders; 5. canonization of saints. (See Dogmatic Theology, 2:110; Emphasis mine).

Notice, too, that DK considers the teachings of the approved pre-Vatican II theologians on the papacy "risible" because of the condition of the "Church" (Vatican II sect), but it was defensible in times past (the True Church). Without realizing it, DK has given proof that sedevacantism is true. Rather than accept the defection of the hierarchy, he believes in a Church that can defect--which idea is heretical. He then has the temerity to write, The infallibility of canonizations is not taught by the Church, nor is it necessarily implied by any de fide doctrine of the Faith. Catholics are therefore not required to believe it as a matter of faith and may even, for serious reasons, doubt or question the truthfulness of a certain canonization. (Emphasis in original). This statement is false, but I will make the reason why it's wrong even more clear further on in this post.

2. The purpose of canonizations. 
Traditionally, canonization is not merely a recognition that a certain individual is in Heaven; it is the recognition that this man  lived a life of such heroic virtue (above all, the theological virtues of faith, hope, and charity), had fulfilled in so exemplary a fashion the duties of his state in life (and this would include, for a cleric, the duties of his office), and had so practiced asceticism as befits a soldier of Christ that public veneration (including liturgical) should be offered to him by the universal Church, and his example deserves to be followed as a model to imitate (cf. 1 Cor 11:1)

This is a true statement. DK goes on to lament that It is not supposed to be the Vatican rubber-stamping particular individuals the Vatican happens to want to promote. However, it is impossible for a real pope to make a false saint, as he is protected by the Holy Ghost. In order to reach his point here, he had to first contend that canonizations are non-infallible and can be ignored at will.

3. The process of canonization. 
DK denounces the process of canonization since Vatican II. Arguably the worst change to the process is the number of miracles required. In the old system, two miracles were required for both beatification and canonization – that is, a total of four investigated and certified miracles. The point of this requirement is to give the Church sufficient moral certainty of God’s “approval” of the proposed blessed or saint by the evidence of His exercise of power at the intercession of this individual...The new system cuts the number of miracles in half, which, one might say, also cuts the moral certainty in half...

Since there is absolute certainty in an act of canonization, all the discussion of miracles, procedures, and "moral certainty" is irrelevant. According to theologian Hallett, "The canonization, on May 19th, 1935, of SS. John Fisher and Thomas More was the first occasion, since the days of Urban VIII, of a formal canonization with a dispensation from the proof of miracles." Does that mean we have no certainty that St. John Fisher and St. Thomas More are true saints? Hallett goes on to teach, "The processes we have outlined are those prescribed in the Code of Canon Law. It must be remembered, however, that the Pope, like the King in English law, is the source of all authority in purely ecclesiastical law, and can therefore suspend or modify procedure if he wills. In the plenitude of his power he could canonize saints without any preliminaries at all, although, of course, he would never do so. (See Canonization of Saints, [1952], An outline of the history and the processes of beatification and canonization. Published by the Incorporated Catholic Truth Society, London ).

Speaking of something being "risible," I couldn't help but get a laugh from the idea of something being "half-morally certain." Something is either morally certain or it is not; much like being dead, or pregnant, or Catholic. If we had eight miracles, would the canonization have "double moral certainty"?

4. What is Objectionable in Paul VI?
Here, DK lists some legitimate problems with Montini, but he never dares touch on the heart of the matter: Giovanni Montini ("Pope" Paul VI) was an apostate and a raging sodomite. The evidence is as great as it is disturbing.

  • Openly sodomite Irish writer, Robin Bryans, claimed in his 1992 autobiography The Dust Never Settles,that his personal friend (one Hugh Montgomery) told him that he and Montini had been "gay lovers" since his appointment as a diplomat at the Vatican
  • French writer and ambassador Roger Peyrefitte (also a sodomite) stated that while Archbishop of Milan, Montini would go to a secluded house for the purpose of "hooking up" with homosexual men
  • Montini decried "slanderous allegations made against me," but never once mention what they were, nor did he even attempt to defend himself.
  • Fr. Georges de Nantes, one of the first Traditionalist priests openly denounced Montini for his alleged homosexuality, even bringing it to the attention of "Pope" John Paul II so as to prevent his "beatification" and "canonization"
  • According to the New York Times, the Italian actor Paolo Carlini was a frequent visitor of Paul VI and was alleged to be his lover

For more problems with Montini (as if any more were actually needed), see Fr. Villa's great book Paul VI Beatified? available on Amazon.

5. What is admirable in Paul VI?
The simple answer is nothing. DK quotes another source with whom he agrees who wrote: Pope (sic) Paul VI is described by most historians as a kind of tragic figure, trying to control the whirlwind of events surrounding him, but unable to do much. Really? You mean he couldn't have ended Vatican II or refused to sign the documents? Please.

6. The limits of canonization’s meaning.
DK says that even if legitimate, Montini's "canonization" doesn't make Vatican II "canonized," i.e., wonderful. Maybe so, but if he was pope and he signed the documents, that makes them free from error and binding on the Church. The Church cannot give that which is evil or erroneous to Her members--unless you deny the Indefectibility of the Church like $teve $kojec.

7. Practical consequences.
This topic deserves a separate fuller treatment, but briefly, anyone with such a doubt or difficulty is permitted to refrain from praying to Paul VI and need not support his cultus (i.e., veneration). Wrong. According to theologian Hallett, "Canonization on the contrary, decrees the public cultus of the Universal Church to the saints. Benedict XIV enumerates seven acts as constituting this official cultus. (1). All Christians are commanded to regard them as, and call them, saints. (2). They are invoked in the public prayers of the Church, and it is forbidden any longer to pray for them. (3). Churches and altars may be dedicated to God in their honor. (4). Mass is offered and Divine Office recited in their honor, and though this Mass may not be prescribed for the universal Church, but only for one or more dioceses, yet it may be said, as a votive Mass, anywhere throughout the Church. (5). Feast days are assigned to them. (6). Their images are depicted with the aureole or other attributes of sanctity. (7). Their relics are publicly honored...Canonization is the final and irreformable judgment of the Church, and therefore we are bound, as Her dutiful children, to believe that saints duly canonized are in Heaven." (Ibid; Emphasis mine).

The Teaching of the Church: Canonizations are Infallible
The great scholar-pope, His Holiness Pope Benedict XIV, wrote a multi-volume compendium on beatifications and canonizations. Theologian Faber, in his monumental work, Essay on Beatification, Canonization and the Process of the Congregation of Rites [1848], precisely condenses the Pontiff's main points in just over 100 pages. Pope Benedict XIV gives several reasons why canonizations must be infallible. They are reproduced here as summarized by theologian Faber.

Our question is: Is the Church infallible in the canonization of saints? Most certainly. It is proved:

(i) By the acceptance on the part of the whole Church of the solemn decrees of canonization which the popes have published for several centuries. If such decrees, or any of them were false, the universal Church would have approved error.

(ii) The opposite opinion would subvert all the cultus of the Saints, because if it could be once admitted that the Church had erred in any particular instance, everybody might doubt the legitimacy of the cultus of any, even the most distinguished Saints.

(iii) The opposite opinion would expose the Church to the contempt and reviling of heretics, and of demons, which would be contrary to the promises of Christ, and dishonorable to God.

(iv) The opposite opinion would destroy the note of sanctity in the Church, for it would admit that She could pay religious cultus to the damned, God's enemies and the companions of the devils. 

(v) The Church is infallible in the common doctrine of morals; the canonization of Saints pertains to the common doctrine of morals, and so falls under the infallibility of the Church.

(vi) The authority of St. Thomas [Aquinas] is in favor of this...because the honor we pay to the Saints is a kind of profession of Faith, because the pope can only be certified of the state of any of the faithful departed by an instinct of the Holy Ghost, and because Divine Providence preserves the Church in such cases from being deceived by the fallible testimony of men.

(vii) [Pope] Sixtus V...spoke for an hour in assertion of the infallibility of the decrees of canonization, but it may be said that he was then speaking as a private theologian; yet even so, his opinion is of great weight.

(viii) Besides the Thomists, the Scotists also defend the pope's infallibility in the decrees of canonizations; so that these two rival schools [of theology] agree in this particular; and among the modern [theologians] Bellarmine and Suarez may be mentioned as asserting the same.

...The judgement of the Church therefore in the Canonization of Saints is infallible. (pgs. 104-106).

Conclusion
If Montini isn't a saint, then, as a logical corollary, Bergoglio can't be the pope. It's really that simple. However, OnePeterFive, and the poorly trained lay "theologians" of the Vatican II sect who write there, want you to believe that canonizations can be wrong. YOU get to choose who is in Heaven and worthy of emulation, and who is not. Pick wisely or you might pray to a damned soul. If that sounds offensive to pious ears, it should. The fact of the matter is that we can venerate and pray to any saint canonized by a true pope because we have infallible certainty they are in Heaven (and are also worthy of emulation). 

As for those who choose the Uber-Magisterium of $teve $kojec, you can donate your money for theology that's so wrong, so maddening, it would even try the patience of a Saint. 



  

88 comments:

  1. The V2 sect is like a dish of candy; we take the one we want. But these are poisonous candies !

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    1. Simon,
      Sounds like you’ve been reading from “Theologian Gump” LOL! Very true, my friend!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  2. May I ask why "Canonizations are infallible declarations"?
    Where can I find some info about it, please?

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    1. Diabolik,
      Look above underneath the heading “The Teaching of the Church: Why Canonizations are Infallible.” You can also read the approved theologians such as Van Noort.

      Interesting choice of a name; hopefully it refers to the V2 sect.

      —-Introibo

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  3. DK, Matt, Skojec, Voris, and the entire R&R crowd want us to believe that the Spotless Bride of Christ, Holy Mother Church is a whore and gives us filth. They are bigger blasphemers than Bergoglio.

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    1. Tom,
      Yes. They actually enable Bergoglio and keep people from breaking free.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. I want to add Mike Lewis and the cronies over at "Where Peter Is" (more like Where Peter Ain't) to the list as well. Those guys actually had the gall to defend Pachamama and refer to it as "Our Lady of the Amazon".

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    3. At this point, aren't people like them who believe that the Church can give filth, heretical liturgies, apostate 'saints', heretics? Aren't they heretics if they believe the Church can do such things?

      They do fall under [at least two of] the Council of Trent's anathemas, (in regards to the Church's liturgies being perfect) but isn't it also *heresy* to believe so?

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    4. I'm wondering where someone like Ann Barnhardt fits into this? She seems so close to the very idea of sedevacantism but rejects it out of hand, claiming Benedict XVI is the true Pop.

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    5. Cyrus,
      She is a “Resignationist” Ratzinger is “Pope” because he is less Modernist and resigned under duress.

      —-Introibo

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    6. Tom A,

      Ann is on the record for professing that Ratzinger is a heretic: https://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/01/16/cutting-the-crap-31-questions-and-blunt-answers-about-the-catholic-church-and-antipope-bergoglio/

      To quote her verbatim:

      xxxx

      Question 9: Isn’t Pope Benedict XVI a heretic for doing what he has done, and thus no longer the Pope either?

      Pope Benedict XVI is indeed a heretic and is now the worst pope in the history of The Church, BUT this makes his papacy ILLICIT, but still VALID. It is absolutely essential to understand the difference between LICAITY and VALIDITY. At this point I would refer you to an excellent essay by Fr. Brian Harrison, penned in ARSH 2000, and thus completely unprejudiced with regards to current events.

      “A Heretical Pope Would Govern The Church Illicitly But Validly”

      ...

      Question 11: So if a pope who is a heretic is illicit yet valid, that means that the sedevacantists have been wrong all along?

      Yes. Pope John XXIII was almost certainly a Freemason. Paul VI was a raging sodomite and pro-Communist. John Paul II was a phenomenologist and kissed the satanic tome of the musloids, the koran, and his so-called “Theology of the Body” is deeply heretical. Pope Benedict’s metaphysics are so warped as to be not even properly called “metaphysics”, revolving around “meaning” and not “being”. And yet, all were/are popes, valid yet illicit.

      Question 12: Has Pope Benedict’s warped notion of metaphysics informed his actions with regards to the papacy?

      Yes. Pope Benedict thinks that the defining criterion of something’s existence is what it MEANS, not what it IS. And so, he thinks that it is not important what the papacy IS, but what it MEANS, and thus it is free to be redefined, even if that redefinition defies the principle of non-contradiction. Thus, Pope Benedict thinks that he can both be and not be the Pope – he can be the “contemplative pope”, but simultaneously not be the pope, because the papacy is a matter not of being, but of meaning.

      xxxx

      (For the record, the 'illicit yet valid' thesis she links to was refuted years ago by N.O.W.: https://novusordowatch.org/2017/03/white-smoke-anti-pope/)

      Essentially, for all that Ann has pontificated over the years about grounding herself in logic and truth, she holds to the idea that every 'pontiff' from John XXIII up through Benedict XVI were true Popes (regardless of their own heresies), but Francis isn't; in order to hold to this conclusion, she must consequently perform horrendous violence to traditional Catholic theology and ecclesiology.

      Her histrionics were far more tolerable back when I was in the FSSP, and was of a similar persuasion as her. Since becoming a sedevacantist, they're far less so.

      It's honestly a shame, because she's clearly intelligent; however, the idea that Ratzinger is a true Pope is one she holds to with such ferocity and vigor that it skews that intelligent into the proverbial ditch, to her detriment.

      Sincerely,

      A Simple Man

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    7. Simple Man,
      Thank you for the in-depth analysis. I can’t believe how some people turn logic on its head to avoid Sedevacantism and the fact that a new sect pretending to be the Church has been in place since 1964. Defending Roncalli up to Ratzinger—-unreal.

      —-Introibo

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    8. Introibo,

      As far as I'm aware, Ms. Barnhardt has never publicly responded to N.O.W.'s rebuttal of her thesis on resignationism:

      https://novusordowatch.org/2018/11/benedict16-mysterious-resignation-reply-barnhardt/

      I tried forwarding it to her a few times, but never heard back.

      Ultimately, I consider Barnhardt useful in a limited sense these days, with regards to reporting or documenting ongoing events. But in terms of theology or her prescription of how to deal with the crisis of the Church since Vatican II, I ignore her completely.

      Otherwise, you get colorful "interpretations" of the sacred liturgy or the priesthood like this: https://www.barnhardt.biz/the-one-about/the-one-about-why-priests-can-only-ever-be-men/

      To quote one particular section verbatim:

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      "So, for the sake of clarity, YES, the consecration of the Host and Chalice in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is a direct analogue to sexual intercourse between husband and wife. There. I said it. That wasn’t so difficult, now was it? Goodness. In fact, the consecration is the GREATER REALITY, and the marital act between husband and wife is the LESSER REALITY which reflects and points to the greater reality of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. And, it works both ways. After the consecration, Our Lord goes right back to being the masculine initiator and the priest and the faithful become the normal relative feminine in relation to God in our nature as human beings as we RECEIVE Our Lord by taking Him physically into our bodies in the Eucharist, of which the marital embrace is also an image, only with the gender roles the other way. The nuptial nature of the Mass was known immediately to the Apostles at the Last Supper. In the ancient Jewish tradition, at marriage feasts, the husband and wife would each take a piece of bread, and each would take turns holding the bread up, saying, “Eat this. This is my body,” and then hand-feeding the piece of bread to the spouse. Where do you think the tradition of the bride and groom feeding each other a piece of the wedding cake at the reception comes from? Thus when Our Lord said, “This is My Body,” the Apostles all instantly understood the mystical nuptial act that was going on, because they had seen it before at their own weddings and/or weddings they had attended."

      xxxx

      Note that she cites not a single magisterial document, theologian, saint, or approved liturgical commentary in support of this position.

      I would ask if you, Introibo, have ever seen such an analogy made about the Mass in all of the pre-V2 literature you've read over the years, but I think I know the answer to that one.

      Sincerely,

      A Simple Man

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    9. Thanks Simple Man for the analysis of Ann's "thinking" on this topic.I found it to be very helpful as I plan on being into the true Catholic Church sometime in the next few months.

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    10. Simple Man,
      Never have I heard of such an analogy pre-V2. This is her own novel and blasphemous novelty.

      —-Introibo

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    11. Correction: her own blasphemous and novel analogy.

      —Introibo

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    12. Her manner on certain items can also mislead. For example: https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/09/22/st-philip-neri-on-the-wearing-of-masks-not-satire/

      All she provides is a single quote, allegedly from St. Philip Neri: "Let no one wear a mask, otherwise he will do ill; and if he has one, let him burn it." I don't necessarily doubt that he said it, but what's the source? What was the context? Was he speaking metaphorically? (After all, I doubt the saint would say such about medical workers or firefighters or those in hazmat suits.) It's certainly meant to be a point against the Covid measures adopted by most countries (and to be sure, many have taken things too far), but what exactly is this message supposed to convey without context?

      What I found most ironic, given the volume of Ann's posts about the responses to Covid-19 (and her distaste for them), is that it resulted in her approvingly linking to an FSSP "priest" outright telling his parishioners to "disobey their bishop" if said bishop told them to wear a mask: https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/09/02/this-is-how-a-psycho-sexually-normal-priest-with-a-sound-interior-life-rolls-hes-ready-to-be-persecuted-may-god-reward-him-richly/

      Now, notwithstanding the political debates regarding government responses to Covid, I find it interesting how this man essentially floats the reason that the FSSP splintered off from the SSPX to begin with: namely, obedience to their erstwhile "superiors".

      Anything goes in the Vatican 2 sect, alas.

      Sincerely,

      A Simple Man

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    13. Ms. Barnhardt is a very sick and deluded individual.

      JoAnn

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  4. What I wonder is, what exactly is the endgame for those such as Skojec or Kwasniewski?

    They claim to bemoan Vatican II and its consequences for Christendom, yet spend barrels of digital ink defending its legitimacy.

    They claim that certain edicts of Francis should be ignored or condemned, yet decry anyone who dares to say "non habemus papam!"

    They condemn sedevacantists for lacking unity (which, since sedes believe there is no true Pope, is only logical in the practical order), yet do not realize the great scandal in how their church lacks unity of faith (for some bishops say one thing, others say another).

    Are they Trojan horses? Paid actors? Deluded? Or is the prospect of following faith and reason to the logical conclusion of sedevacantism really that terrifying?

    I wish I knew.

    But, just as in the case of the Dimonds or Theresa Benns: if Dr. Kwasniewski can be this catastrophically wrong on a relatively elementary matter such as canonization, then his opinions can be safely ignored for lack of merit.

    Sincerely,

    A Simple Man

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    1. Simple Man,
      The opinions of these men should be completely disregarded. Unfortunately, they continue to fool many with “scholarship” that is so poor it defies description.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. ASM, ultimately they have paved the way for Bergoglio (or the next modernist anti-pope) to say or do whatever he (or she) pleases. No matter how heretical they become, the R&R crowd has in essence said, we will still consiser you the Pope no matter what you say or do. There is no line they will draw that they will not redraw when necessary.

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    3. The go-to tactic for these men, from the false modernist "popes" all the way down to the online modernist V2 bloggers has been sophistry. By using big, deep-sounding philosophical terms and words, they seek to intimidate the layman into believing they're too inept and untrained to validly hold an opinion on the matter in question or judge it differently than what the modernists tell us to swallow.

      I've seen this tactic play out in my academic field of economics, leaving the average man scratching his head at the first sound of "quantitative easing", "fiscal versus monetary policy", "macroeconomic forecasts", etc. to the point where we have men who believe that blatantly robbing national wealth in the form of usury and fractional (and fraudulent) reserve banking is merely a form of economic stimulus!

      The war on words cannot be underestimated, modernity is a testament to what happens when we lose it.

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  5. The R&R crowd are like the Protestant's with their private interpretation and pick and choose what to believe. I have been going around and around with a woman over "once saved always saved" and "ecumenism". I can't get anywhere with her. It is frustrating. I guess people tend to believe and accept what they want. People tend to want an easy way and one that is convenient to them. If they choose to believe a lie even when presented with truth it is their choice even if it leads to their eternal damnation.

    JoAnn

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    1. Joann,
      Yes, Our Lord Himself said the road to Hell is WIDE (easy) and many go that way.

      —-Introibo

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  6. I've been saying it since the antipopes have been getting canonized. If the Vatican 2 church is the Catholic Church and these men are declared saints and yet one can think he is permitted to say they are not, then that means one can question whether any of the saints in the history of the Church are actually saints. If that is the case, what would be the point of the Church if one can decide for himself who is and who isn't a saint?

    It's simple. These blaspheming apostates are popes or they are not. If a pope can teach contrary to what had been previously taught before John XXIII, then what would be the point of pope if he can be as heretical as anybody else.

    The whole R&R crowd are nothing but a bunch of fools.

    Lee

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    1. Lee,
      $kojec takes the fools money when they donate for useless and heretical information.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  7. To me it seems Skojec is openly questioning his faith in the Catholic religion because he sees a defection in the modernist sect.

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    1. Cory,
      I hope he converts. However, that would mean being seen as “out of the mainstream” for being Sedevacantist and giving up the six figures he takes in.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. Go read Skojecs mood in his latest comments. The fool equates sedevacantism with a defective Church. So he rather just walk away from the Catholic faith than accept sedevacantism. He is truly blind.

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    3. Tom,
      That is because $kojec believes the Church can defect. Sedevacantism is (ironically) “defective” because there’s something wrong if you have no pope, but nothing wrong with a heretical “pope.” Ridiculous, but people buy into it—literally—with their hard-earned money.

      —-Introibo

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  8. Bp.Montini did what war persecution plagues and the Devil couldn't do,he drove Catholicism from the Vatican and it's Dioceses.
    If he's a Saint,then our Blessed Lord is a Liar.
    Thank God for the ability to see through so called
    "Catholic media."
    Great article and God bless,
    -Andrew

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    1. Andrew,
      Montini was one of the best friends Satan ever had!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. I'd say he is the boldest prototype of the Antichrist so far, and maybe he really is.

      All efforts against the Catholic Church throughout history combined is still less than what Bp. Montini did. A true prefiguration of the Antichrist.

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  9. Montini was the worst of "Popes". However, what about the Cardinals who elected him? The Cardinals by electing him "Pope" were as bad or worse than Montini. The Cardinals surely were not led by the Holy Spirit in electing him.

    JoAnn

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    1. Joann,
      I agree. Pope Pius XII had the lowest number in the college of cardinals when he died (1958) than in the last almost 100 years prior. He refused to appoint Cardinals because he didn’t know who to trust with so many crypto-Modernists around him. His own confessor, Cardinal Bea, shocked EVERYONE when he came out as a Modernist as soon as Roncalli took over.

      He was betrayed by one of his closest friends—not unlike how Judas betrayed Christ.
      Very sad and tragic.

      —-Introibo

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  10. It turns out there's even more evidence for Montini's disgusting debauchery coming from a man called Franco Bellegrandi - papal chamberlain from the last years of Pius XII's pontificate and member of the Vatican Noble Guard (both the office of chamberlain and the military unit were abolished by Montini).
    Please see this link for more information:
    https://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a02tPaulV_Accusations.html

    Joanna S.

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    1. Joanna,
      Thank you for the excellent information!

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    2. The above article seems to corroborate that the majority of Cardinals that elected Montini "Pope" knew of his homosexuality and, more than likely the college of Cardinals that elected him were mostly homosexual themselves. Therefore they elected a "Pope" with the same predeliction for homosexuality as they themselves had. In light of the above it is very hard for me to grasp that Pius XII had little knowledge of the homosexuality within the ranks of the Cardinals or that he couldn't have done something about the problem. I don't think Pius XII was as innocent in the whole debacle leading up to Vatican II as we would like to think. The Church was infected with modernism and homosexuality for years leading up to Vatican II. Vatican II didn't just come to fruition overnight. How and why the Church was allowed to get to the point of Vatican II by previous Popes is a question I ponder often.

      JoAnn

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    3. Joann,
      You make good points. How innocent was Pope Pius XII? I still think he was mostly innocent for several reasons. However, you are most correct that Vatican didn’t just materialize overnight.

      Pope St Pius X instituted a group of clergy whose job it was to report on suspected Modernists. Their identity would be unknown and they reported directly to Rome. Pope Benedict XV disbanded them, thinking the problem of Modernism was “overblown.” That was the first major mistake IMO.

      —-Introibo

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    4. Pius XII,in my view,factually historically speaking,is when the revolution started.
      Pius XII,
      Christmas message of 1956,expressed his desire the U.N. be given more authority + strengthened.
      He did away with MANY ancient catholic traditions,
      approved Opus Die,and promoted Bp.Montini to the same post
      Pius XI held before being elected Pope.(Archbishop of Milan)
      Sorry if this offends anyone.
      God bless
      -Andrew

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    5. Andrew,
      Didn't know Pope Pius XII approved Opus Dei or promoted Montini. Not familiar with Pope Pius XII Christmas message of 1956 and need to look it up. Very interesting indeed. Many excuses have been promulgated for the institution of Vatican II such as the infiltration of the Church by Communists, Homosexuals, Mason's, lax laity, etc. However, in my opinion the buck stops at the Popes.

      JoAnn

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    6. The 1956 Christmas message was published by National Catholic Welfare Conference in 1957 under the following title: "The Fundamental Contradiction of Our Time" - this is the info from Google Books but I haven't managed to find the actual text. There's only a short newspaper report on this:
      https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=MT19561224.2.24&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1

      As far as I'm aware Pius XII promoted Montini only to be betrayed by him - then the Pontiff did away with this unloyal sodomite and (most probably) communist spy (Montini is believed to have betrayed clandestine priests sent by Pius XII to Russia). Naturally, Montini was brought back to the Vatican by Roncalli, but that's a different story and I need to educate myself more on this matter.

      Pius XII was opposed to Communism, there's no doubt about it. Unfortunately, he did not see the Holy See and the papal office as the chief force of this oppostion on political grounds. This enabled the United Nations to take the lead. One might say that Pius XII renounced his political power over countries and nations which he surely held as the Prince of Princes, the Supreme Pontiff.
      Here's an excerpt from a 2017 L'Osservatore Romano publication "The Popes and Sixty years of European Integration":
      "In his speech of 11 November 1948 at Castel Gandolfo, he (Pius XII - my ed.) made it clear that the Church would not be 'involved in purely worldly matters'.
      In the same speech, he issued a reminder that 'technically' the Church is unable to further any sort of European Union, refusing to give any reason to those who so wanted to oppose a 'Vatican Europe'."
      To me, these last words sound like an excuse for weakness. In the late 1800s we had the enemies of the Church scream about "Ultramontanism" but their yelling did not stop Vatican I - as a result, the Church was triumphant and Her enemies humiliated.

      This is such a huge topic and I'm really grateful that there are people like the Author and Readers of this blog who are eager to engage in a meaningful discussion. Thank you!

      Joanna S.

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    7. Oh, I forgot to include the link:
      https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/files/the_popes_and_sixty_years_of_european_integration.pdf

      Joanna S.

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    8. Joanna,
      Thank you! For all who didn’t read my post on the last pontiff, please see:

      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2018/07/in-defense-of-pope-pius-xii.html?m=1

      That’s my opinion on the matter.

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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    9. Introibo, I've just read your post on Pius XII - thank you so much for this piece, it truly helps put things in perspective! There's no need for "armchair historians" among traditionalist Catholics and I won't be moving into that direction. More research and fewer hasty judgments are needed in these difficult times.

      Joanna S.

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    10. Thank you Joanna S.
      -Andrew

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    11. @Joann I agree with you.

      -A

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    12. @Joanna, @Andrew,
      This blog is open to these discussions. We need to help each other find our Catholic Way the best we can.

      —-Introibo

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  11. IMHO Modernism was triumphant at Vatican II also because people in the pews were morally lax enough by the late 60s to accept it. And what contributed mainly to this laxity was the post-war financial prosperity. In the so-called Western world national economies were thriving after World War II. The same people who worked and yet could barely afford basic clothing and food during the Great Depression of the 30s, were now buying TV sets, tosters and coffee machines for their houses. When religion was sure refuge in times of adversity, it became just a burdensome duty when there was so much to buy and consume.
    Meanwhile, behind the Iron Curtain the situation was quite different. My country, Poland, was in ruins, with no Marshall plan for the economy (unlike Germany which started the war) and under the Soviet-imposed communist rule of terror. People seemed to be more conservative but that was just a facade. The leftovers of Catholicism were some folk devotions and traditions but the actual knowledge of the Catholic faith was gone.
    In Poland there was not a single voice of outrage amongst clerics (at least that I know of) when the heresies of Vatican II were being implemented. Rather, the chief 'conservatist', Primate of Poland Stefan Wyszyński was well aware that Poles would not accept the 'reforms' of the council and he meant to implement them gradually so as not to scare us off. What a cunning heretic he was! Yet, he's still today looked upon with great esteem as the rock of faith and a fierce anti-communist (despite his close friendship with Roncalli, the commie-lover). Poles did not leave the pews in droves and gladly accepted what the modernist hierarchy ordered them to think, say and do beacuse there was too little materialism for them to indulge in and the post-conciliar church still offered social and political reflief (to anyone, including leftists), just like an NGO would.
    Now, the world is in full-blown globalist mode so the filth of Vatican II can be distributed easily and evenly through the media to the detriment of souls. One postive thing: for those who search for the Catholic Truth the resources are also easily available. All it takes is the Grace of God, good will, plenty of prayer and time.

    Joanna S.

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  12. "Fr" Hesse on the papacy and crisis in the Church.
    https://youtu.be/d1-G7HVbERk

    "Fr" was "ordained" in New Rite by Valid Bishop BUT this talk goes from
    Pope Leo XIII - JP2.
    Very intetesting revealing fact based account of what happened to the Catholic Church.
    God bless
    -Andrew

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    1. “Fr” Hesse once famously claimed that he knew he was a priest because he could “feel” it. After hearing that, I stopped paying any attention to him.

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    2. Tom,
      Watched "Fr". Hesse a couple of times a few years ago. He drank copious amounts of wine saying his Dr. prescribed him to drink it. I believe he was an alcoholic. I also remember him saying he knew he was a Priest because he could "feel it". Sad man.

      JoAnn

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    3. I was expecting some rational theological reasoning as to the validity of the NO Ordination Rites and all I got was his “feelings.” No thanks.

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    4. You can learn from anyone even if you disagree with him,which I do.
      Well,the history of 1895-1995 in this video is factual + good for beginners.
      -Andrew

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    5. Interesting video, but Mr. Hess is a theological mess! (Apologies to Dr Seuss and Bp Williamson)

      —-Introibo

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    6. Andrew,
      "You can learn from anyone even if you disagree with him,which I do."
      Isn't your above statement akin to "there are elements of truth in all Religions"??

      JoAnn

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    7. I don't know JoAnn.
      The history "Fr" Hesse speaks of concerning Rome from
      Leo XIII -Pius XII is good for beginners who aren't aware.
      "Fr" Hesse is a theological mess especially his view concerning
      New Rite of Holy Orders.
      God bless
      -Andrew

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    8. JoAnn, I guess Andrew meant that we're able to separate objective facts from one's (erroneous) opinions, as is the case with "Fr." Hesse. Nevertheless, I wouldn't reccomend it - now there are numerous Catholic resources such as books published prior to Vatican II, with Catholic bishops' imprimaturs, digitalized and made available in public domain on the Internet - and these are the safest ways for acquiring some sort of background in order to make one's way through the information chaos that "Fr." Hesse also contributed to.

      I believe this is different from saying that "elements of truth can be found in all religions" since Truth (the Catholic faith) is divinely revealed by God in its entirety and completeness and there's just no room in it for human opinion. I hope my reasoning makes at least some sense.

      Joanna S.

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    9. In one of NOW’s finest articles, “fr hesse” is shown to be a complete theological trainwreck.

      https://novusordowatch.org/2015/03/poison-novus-ordo-mass/

      Remember, he was a product of the NO fake church. Thus tainted with its errors.

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    10. Joanna S.,
      I found Tradition 5 yrs ago and I am very picky who and what I listen to in regards to the Church. I only read pre-Vatican II resources and listen to very few any more. I read Novus Ordo watch and, of course, Introibo. That is about it. These times are perilous and confusing for many and when confronted with such as "Fr". Hesse, I run away as fast as I can. Truth mixed with lies equals lies in my opinion such as the R&R and "Fr" Hesse.

      JoAnn

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    11. Can you all tell me where's he wrong concerning the history from Leo XIII-Pius XII and pointing out the heresies from false Pope's PVI-Jp2?

      #2 I also stated it's good for beginners for this very reason and some ppl new to this could save time by simply listening.

      3rd time I'm pointing out these facts.
      God bless
      Andrew

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    12. JoAnn, what you write is so true and I've been doing the same since I realised that the R&R folks won't even touch pre-Vatican II theology, presumably for fear of finding the inconvenient truth in it.

      Andrew, I'm not saying that Hesse cannot be right on any subject. I just neither have the expertise to know on the spot that his claims are indeed factual and true nor the time to check whether this is really so. He proved himself to be a completely unreliable source when it comes to Church history when he accused Pope Liberius of heresy, for example.
      Bp. Sanborn talked a couple of times about the earlier history of the Church, here's a link to a video covering the time from the Edict of Milan to 1274:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHz7JI-Z5kk

      A blessed Sunday to everyone,
      Joanna S.

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    13. Michael Davies was anothrr darling of rhr R&R camp. Then Mr John Daly showed us the pitiful shoddy academic work that Davies peddled. “Fr” Hesse is cut from the same cloth. Very entertaining, but he played loose with the facts in order to justify his indefensible R&R position. His disrespect for Wojtyla (whom he considered Christ’s Vicar on earth) was just as appaling as the modernists hatred of Pope St. Pius X.

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    14. @Tom A
      I didn't once mention nor have I ever subscribed to R+R
      (Raised Novus Ordo,then 20 yrs of Secularism,then N.O. Indult with 1 doubtful"Priest" + 1 Priest ord.1949 alternating weekly,then sedevacantist opinion + Mass center pre-1950 Missal)
      3 successive times I explained why + how this video link could be useful.
      It may pain us BUT a future Catholic Pope could rule R&R was correct or at least an allowable theory.

      @Joanna S.
      You stated earlier we dont need "armchair historians" yet my comments regarding Pius XII are verified facts nor did I offer opinions regarding his legacy circa 1951-1958.
      Secondly you stated facts about Paul VI in the same exact manner as I did regarding Pius XII.

      Tom/Joanna S:
      I'm sorry if this sounds rude,tis not my intention.

      We,myself included,need to relax & remember we're all
      suffering + on the same team.
      I'm sorry if my comments and words are offensive.
      Though I may fail,I make an effort to be hospitable + base my words on facts.
      Have a blessed evening,it's been an interesting exchange.
      God bless,
      -Andrew

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    15. I think we Traditionalists should unite and at least discuss all these issues to make sense of the Great Apostasy best we can.

      Thank you all for commenting and please continue to do so!

      —-Introibo

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    16. Tom,
      You are so right concerning Michael Davies. Tried to read some of Davies years ago and he made my head spin!! As a matter of fact any all of the R&R make my head spin. I learned to save myself a lot of head spinning and just not bother with any of them anymore!!

      JoAnn

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  13. This is off topic. Francis the fake is spouting his NWO agenda by attacking personal possession of firearms in a message to the U.N. The fake "Pope" is also urging everyone to get Covid-19 Vaccine. See link below:

    https://www.infowars.com/pope-francis-attacks-personal-possession-of-firearms-in-message-to-united-nations/

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    1. Thank you for this link.
      A Tampa,FL man also set pews on fire at one Novus Ordo Church within past 48 hrs.
      Traditional Holy Mass centers will be targets by the
      Bolsheviks if this keeps going.
      God bless
      -Andrew

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  14. Find it very interesting that Montini gave away and abandoned the Papal Tiara. That action alone speaks volumes!

    JoAnn

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_tiara

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    1. Joann,
      It shouts “APOSTASY”!

      —-Introibo

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    2. Referring to the above abondonnment and giving away of the Papal Tiara at the end of Vatican II by Montini, John Paul I then changed the Papal Coronation to an "Inauguration". It seems these so called "Popes" after Vatican II couldn't wait to further open the doors to satan and the world. Of course "Saint" John Paul II went right along with all of the above to further satan's agenda. The giving away of the Papal Tiara, changing the Papal Coronation to an "Inauguration" should all be red flags to those who want to see and hear the truth regarding Vatican II, it's "Popes" and "Saints"!

      JoAnn

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    3. Add to that when Benedict XVI didn't use the tiara in his coat of arms but instead replaced it with a mitre and pallium.

      What's next? Francis will perhaps try to change the coat of arms of the Holy See and Vatican City itself by removing the tiara.

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    4. Fr.DePauw claimed JP1 had seen the light,converted back to
      Trad-Roman Rite Catholicism,
      and contacted Fr.DePauw to work on a commitee reestablishing the
      Holy Sa

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    5. Continued below ⤵
      ...re-establishing the
      Most Holy Sacrifice of tbe Mass and traditional Sacraments.
      Introibo has talked about it a few times.
      God bless
      -A

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    6. Andrew,
      You are correct about JPI. That’s why I believe sedeprivationism is a real possibility. Luciani might have actually been pope before his murder by the P-2 Masonic Lodge.

      —-Introibo

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    7. Thus,he was liquidated because a Catholic Pope destroys their nefarious agenda.
      There exists a photo of JPI days before his death wearing the Papal Tiara and staring intently at a group of Clerics.
      (He looks very displeased with his colleagues)

      It's likeky JP1 would've Consecrated Fr.DePauw in the trad-Rites had that committee been allowed to transpire.
      God bless
      -Andrew

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  15. A home aloner claimed that administering the sacraments without jurisdiction “was the heresy of Simon Magus”

    Btw, I Pray for your country 🇺🇸⚔️ and our catholic friends there.

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    1. Thank you, Anon 9:56!
      A kind commenter on another blog site recommended taking up a 40 day fast and daily 15 decade Rosary recitation to last through Election day, November 3rd. The intention is for an end to the "health" tyranny being imposed by government...here and around the world.
      The start was on the Feast of Our Lady of Ransom (Sep.24). If anyone missed that date and wants to join in, please do; it is never too late to begin.
      Jannie

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  16. Home aloners need no reason to stay home. There is no legal authority to command them to attend any Mass. Their error is when they become dogmatic about their conclusions and try to command others to also stay home.

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    1. Tom,
      You’re correct they are wrong to command others to stay home, but we also still have the obligation to Keep Holy the Sabbath. Whatever God has bound through His Church continues to bind unless it becomes impossible to comply with it. Hence, eating meat on Friday remains mortal sin, and we must attend Mass if possible.

      —-Introibo

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    2. We are always bound by Divine and Natural Law. We should continue to observe the devotions, practices, and customs, and laws that were in place before the disasters of the 1960s.

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  17. Sorry Introibo, but you'll have to take a permanent vacation because I think I found the real pope. Here he is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=x8RKGs5Fz4U&feature=emb_logo

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    1. @anon5:36
      Lol!! “Pope” Boniface X! Another lunatic—and a Feeneyite. (Some would argue “Feenyites” and “lunatics” are synonymous).

      God Bless,

      —-Introibo

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  18. seems there was exactly one miracle

    a mother in pregnancy had the water go way too early, she prayed to him, and as a result, the baby survived in a dried out uterus, all the water gone, painful condition lasting to normal childbirth

    to me, this does not seem like fulfilling the requirement of sudden healing, since an abnormal and painful condition subsisted, even if the baby's life was saved

    in other words, the miracle was not canonic for canonisations, and more for the prayer of the parents than for the intercession of the supposed saint

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  19. I have a question about sedevacantism. Can all sedevacantist bishops gather in one place and elect a pope? If not, why not?

    God bless

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    1. @anon11:13
      See my post:
      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2018/09/when-can-we-say-habemus-papam-again.html?m=1

      God Bless,

      ——Introibo

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