Monday, May 31, 2021

Sins Of Omission

 

There is so much wrong and un-Catholic in the Vatican II sect, it is often difficult to know where to begin in describing and listing it. The above picture is that of a Vatican II sect "adult baptism." It speaks the proverbial thousand words about what's wrong. However, there are many other things we don't see or hear that is wrong, and it is wrong precisely because we neither see nor hear it--the things that are missing. What, exactly, is missing? It's the Catholic theology, by words and deeds, that is suppressed where it was formerly professed. They are the Vatican II sect's "sins of omission," so to speak.

According to theologian Prummer, sins of omission are "transgressions of a positive precept, such as missing Mass." (See Handbook of Moral Theology, [1957], pg. 68). There must be a positive precept to do something which, through the person's own fault, they fail to carry out; this constitutes the sin of omission. The Holy Roman Catholic Church, the One True Church of Christ, has a positive duty to profess the Faith whole and entire; a duty She has always kept. Another proof that the Vatican II sect cannot be the Roman Catholic Church lies in the fact that it does not publicly profess the One True Faith, but purposely omits truths that were once publicly and proudly professed in the Sacraments. 

As one example, this post will demonstrate how infant baptism has changed in the Vatican II sect. By using the very texts of the Rite from the True Church and the Vatican II sect, it will become apparent that the sect says much according to what they omit to say.  There are many Catholic doctrines which are omitted or greatly downplayed, but I will focus on one in particular: Belief in the existence and malice of Satan

To Hell With The Devil
In the Catholic Rite of Baptism Satan is addressed no less than five times. In the Vatican II sect's rite, he is never addressed. The omission of Satan is a serious one, and it comes with a huge shift in theology. The Catholic Rite clearly shows the world divided into two Kingdoms; The Kingdom of God and The Kingdom of Satan. According to theologian Ott:

The Council of Trent names as a consequence of Adam's sin [i.e., Original Sin] Man's subjection to the power of the devil. The Church's belief finds liturgical expression in the ceremonies of baptism. Christ designates the Devil as "the prince of this world." St. Paul calls him "the god of this world." (2 Corinthians 4:4). By Christ's redemptive act the dominion of the Devil was in principle, conquered.
(See Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, [1955], pg. 121; Emphasis mine).  

Baptism correctly understood is removing the one to be baptized from his/her slavery to Satan and placing him/her into the Church as a friend of God and heir of Heaven. Fr. DePauw once told me that he always was very cognizant of the fact that he was addressing Satan himself, and ordering him in the name of Christ and by virtue of his sacerdotal power to leave the child alone. He told me that even after 50 years in the priesthood it still "sends shivers down my spine." 

 Catholic baptism begins at the Church door and proceeds to the baptismal font. During this trip, the priest confronts the Devil, places a seal against the Devil returning, and has a laying on of hands. At the baptismal font, there is a solemn exorcism. After the sacrament, the newly baptized baby is presented with a white garment and lighted candle, as he is now in the Church with the light of Christ in sanctifying grace. Life is presented as it truly is; a life-long struggle against the Devil, and only by being faithful to Christ and His One True Church can you hope to obtain the light of Christ for all eternity.

(A) From the Catholic Rite:
 The Exsufflation

The priest then breathes 3 times on the candidate in the form of a Cross, recalling the Spirit (breath, wind, “ruach”) of God.
Priest: Exi ab eo (ea), immunde spiritus, et da locum Spiritui Sancto Paraclito.
[Priest: Go forth from him (her), unclean spirit, and give place to the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete.]

The Exsufflation is completely omitted in the Vatican II sect. 

From the Catholic Rite:

The Sign of the Cross

The priest now makes the Sign of the Cross with his thumb on the candidate’s forehead and breast.
Priest: Accipe signum Crucis tam in fronte, quam in corde, sume fidem cælestium præceptorum: et talis esto moribus, ut templum Dei iam esse possis.

Priest: Oremus: Preces nostras, quaesumus, Domine, clementer exaudi; et hunc electum tuum (hanc electam tuam), N. crucis Dominicae impressione signatum (-am), perpetua virtute custodi; ut magnitudinis gloriae tuae rudimenta servans, per custodiam mandatorum, ad regenerationis gloriam pervenire mereatur (-antur). Per Christum Dominum nostrum. Sponsor/Catechumen: Amen.

[Priest: Receive the Sign of the Cross both upon your forehead + and also upon your heart +; take to you the faith of the heavenly precepts; and so order your life as to be, from henceforth, the temple of God.

Priest: Let us pray: Mercifully hear our prayers, we beseech Thee, O Lord; and by Thy perpetual assistance keep this Thine elect, N, signed with the sign of the Lord’s cross, so that, preserving this first experience of the greatness of Thy glory, he (she) may deserve, by keeping Thy commandments, to attain to the glory of regeneration. Through Christ our Lord. Sponsor/Catechumen: Amen.]

Take note of the language of life-long battle:  "by Thy perpetual assistance," "preserving this first experience of the greatness of Thy glory," "by keeping Thy commandments, to attain to the glory of regeneration." Compare:

Vatican II sect's The Sign of the Cross

The Celebrant continues:

N., the Christian community welcomes you with great joy. in its name I claim you for Christ our Savior by the sign of his cross. I now trace the cross on your forehead, and invite your parents (and godparents) to do the same.

He signs the child on the forehead, in silence. Then he invites the parents and (if it seems appropriate) the godparents to do the same.

Evaluation: All reference to a life-long battle with Satan, beginning with the Exsufflation, is omitted by the Vatican II sect. The "celebrant" speaks, not in the name of Christ or His Church, but as a member of the "Christian community." If the celebrant "claims [him/her] for Christ," it is never stated who or what (if anyone) had prior claim. The Devil is--once more--omitted. Why are parents and godparents making a sign of the cross when they are not priests and have no sacerdotal power? It is because it falls in line with the ecumenical and Protestant heresy of the "priesthood of all believers." I can only wonder under what conditions, if any, the celebrant would think it doesn't "seem appropriate." Lastly, seriousness gives way to "joy." Joy comes at the end of a battle won, not before. 

(B) From the Catholic Rite:
The Imposition of Hands

The priest places his hands on the candidate’s head.

Priest: Oremus: Omnipotens sempiterne Deus, Pater Domini nostri Iesu Christi, respice dignare super hunc famulum tuum (hanc famulam tuam), N, quem (quam) ad rudimenta fidei vocare dignatus es: omnem caecitatem cordi ab eo (ea) expelle: disrumpe omnes laqueos Satanae, quibus fuerat (-ant) colligatus (-a); aperi ei, Domine ianuam pietatis tuae imbutus (-a), omnium cupiditatum foetoribus careat (-ant), et ad suavem odorem praeceptorum tuorum laetus tibi in Ecclesia tua deserviat, et proficiat de die in diem. 

Priest: Per eundum Christum Dominum nostrum.

Sponsor/Catechumen: Amen

[Priest: Let us pray: Almighty, everlasting God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, look graciously down upon this Thy servant, N., whom Thou hast graciously called unto the beginnings of the faith; drive out from him (her) all blindness of heart; break all the toils of Satan wherewith he (she) was held: open unto him (her), O Lord, the gate of Thy loving kindness, that, being impressed with the sign of Thy wisdom, he (she) may be free from the foulness of all wicked desires, and in the sweet odor of Thy precepts may joyfully serve Thee in Thy Church, and grow in grace from day to day.

Priest: Through the same Christ our Lord.

Sponsor/Catechumen: Amen]

Evaluation: Here, the strong terminology of battle against the forces of evil continues: "drive out from him (her) all blindness of heart,"  "break all the toils of Satan wherewith he (she) was held," "he (she) may be free from the foulness of all wicked desires," "in the sweet odor of Thy precepts may joyfully serve Thee in Thy Church." 

The Imposition of Hands is completely omitted in the Vatican II sect. 

(C) From the Catholic Rite:
The Exorcisms
The priest makes the Sign of the Cross over the candidate three times and says:
Priest: Exorcizo te, immunde spiritus, in nomine Patris + et Filii + et Spiritus + Sancti, ut exeas, et recedas ab hoc famulo (hac famula) Dei N.: ipse enim tibi imperat, maledicte damnate, qui pedibus super mare ambulavit, et Petro mergenti dexteram porrexit. Ergo, maledicte diabole, recognosce sententiam tuam, et da honorem Deo vivo et vero, da honorem Iesu Christo Filio eius, et Spiritui Sancto, et recede ab hoc famulo (hac famula) Dei N, quia istum (-am) sibi Deus et Dominus noster Iesus Christus ad suam sanctam gratiam, et benedictionem, fontemque Baptismatis vocare dignatus est.

[Priest: I exorcise thee, unclean spirit, in the name of the Father + and of the Son, + and of the Holy + Spirit, that thou goest out and depart from this servant of God, N. For He commands Thee, accursed one, Who walked upon the sea, and stretched out His right hand to Peter about to sink. Therefore, accursed devil, acknowledge thy sentence, and give honor to the living and true God: give honor to Jesus Christ His Son, and to the Holy Spirit; and depart from this servant of God, N. because God and our Lord Jesus Christ hath vouchsafed to call him (her) to His holy grace and benediction and to the font of Baptism.(Emphasis in English translation mine).]

The priest again makes the Sign of the Cross on the candidate’s forehead:

Priest: Et hoc signum sanctae Crucis, + quod nos fronti eius damus, tu, maledicte diabole, numquam audeas violare.

Priest: Per eundum Christum Dominum nostrum.

Sponsor/Catechumen: Amen

[Priest: And this sign of the holy Cross, which we make upon his (her) forehead, do thou, accursed devil, never dare to violate.

Priest: Per eundum Christum Dominum nostrum.

Sponsor/Catechumen: Amen (Emphasis in English translation mine)]. 

For the final time, the priest lays his hand on the candidate’s head:

Priest: Oremus: Aeternam, ac iustissimam pietatem tuam deprecor, Domine, sancte Pater omnipotens, aeterne Deus, auctor luminis et veritatis, super hunc famulum tuum (hanc famulam tuam) N, ut digneris eum (eam) illuminare lumine intelligentiae tuae: munda eum (eam), et sanctifica: da ei scientiam veram, ut, dignus (-a) gratia Baptismi tui effectus (-a), teneat (-ant) firmam spem, consilium rectum, doctrinam sanctam.

Priest: Per Christum Dominum nostrum

Sponsor/Catechumen: Amen

[Priest: Let us pray: O Holy Lord, Father Almighty, Eternal God, Author of light and truth, I implore Thine everlasting and most just goodness upon this Thy servant N., that Thou wouldst vouchsafe to enlighten him (her) with the light of Thy wisdom: cleanse him (her) and sanctify him (her), give unto him (her) true knowledge; that, being made worthy of the grace of Thy Baptism, he (she) may hold firm hope, right counsel and holy doctrine.

Priest: Through Christ our Lord.

Sponsor/Catechumen: Amen (Emphasis in English translation mine)]. 

Evaluation: Notice in the first two prayers how the priest, an alter Christus, adjures the "accursed Devil" to depart from the baby, and never dare to violate the sign of the Holy Cross. In the third prayer, the priest calls upon God to enlighten, cleanse, and sanctify the child, granting him/her the Gifts of Hope and Counsel from the Holy Ghost. God is also invoked that the child may keep holy doctrine by never falling into error and heresy. 

The Exorcisms are completely omitted in the Vatican II sect. 

(D) From the Catholic Rite:
The Solemn Exorcism and Ephpheta
Priest: Exorcizo te, omnis spiritus immunde, in nomine Dei + Patris omnipotentis, et in nomine Iesu + Christi Filii eius, Domini et Iudicis nostri, et in virtute Spiritus + Sancti, ut discedas ab hoc plasmate Dei N, quod Dominus noster ad templum sanctum suum vocare dignatus est, ut fiat templum Dei vivi, et Spiritus Sanctus habitet in eo. Per eundum Christum Dominum nostrum, qui venturus est iudicare vivos et mortuos, et saeculum per ignem.

[Priest: I exorcise thee, every unclean spirit, in the name of God the Father + Almighty, in the name of Jesus + Christ, His Son, our Lord and Judge, and in the power of the Holy + Spirit, that thou be depart from this creature of God N, which our Lord hath deigned to call unto His holy temple, that it may be made the temple of the living God, and that the Holy Spirit may dwell therein. Through the same Christ our Lord, who shall come to judge the living and the dead, and the world by fire. (Emphasis in English translation mine)]. 

The priest takes a little spittle and touches the ears and nostrils of the candidate with it. For health reasons, the use of spittle may be omitted. This rite comes from Mark 7:33-35, when Jesus healed the deaf-mute: “And taking him from the multitude apart, he put his fingers into his ears: and spitting, he touched his tongue. And looking up to heaven, he groaned and said to him: Ephpheta, which is, Be thou opened. And immediately his ears were opened and the string of his tongue was loosed and he spoke right."

Priest: Ephpheta, quod est, Adaperire. In odorem suavitatis. Tu autem effugare, diabole; appropinquabit enim iudicium Dei.

[Priest: Ephpheta, that is to say, Be opened, for an odour of sweetness. Be thou, devil, begone; for the judgement of God shall draw near. (Emphasis in English translation mine)]. 

The Vatican II Sect's Prayer of Exorcism
The celebrant says:

Almighty and ever-living God, you sent your only Son into the world to cast out the power of Satan, spirit of evil, to rescue man from the kingdom of darkness, and bring him into the splendor of your kingdom of light. We pray for this child: set him (her) free from original sin, make him (her) a temple of your glory, and send your Holy Spirit to dwell with him (her). We ask this through Christ our Lord.

All: Amen.

Evaluation: The difference is striking. In the Vatican II Rite, the Devil is mentioned but not addressed. This is not an exorcism whereby the Devil and demons are addressed and confronted with a command to leave. Here you have a simple declaration that God became Man to save humanity from the kingdom of darkness. It follows with imploring a blessing. Exorcism is a complete misnomer for this prayer. 

The  Ephpheta is completely omitted in the Vatican II sect.

(E) From the Catholic Rite:
The Renunciation of Satan
Priest: N., abrenuntias Satanæ?
Sponsor/Catechumen: Abrenuntio.
Priest: Et omnibus operibus eius?
Sponsor/Catechumen: Abrenuntio.
Priest: Et omnibus pompis eius?
Sponsor/Catechumen: Abrenuntio.

[Priest: N., do you renounce Satan?
Sponsor/Catechumen: I do renounce him.
Priest: And all of his works?
Sponsor/Catechumen: I do renounce him.
Priest: And all his pomps?
Sponsor/Catechumen: I do renounce him (Emphasis in English translation mine)].

The Vatican II Sect's Renunciation of Sin and Profession of Faith

The celebrant speaks to the parents and godparents in these words:

Dear parents and godparents: You have come here to present this child for baptism. By water and the Holy Spirit he (she) is to receive the gift of new life from God, who is love.  On your part, you must make it your constant care to bring him (her) up in the practice of the faith. See that the divine life which God gives him (her) is kept safe from the poison of sin, to grow always stronger in his (her) heart.  If your faith makes you ready to accept this responsibility, renew now the vows of your own baptism. Reject sin; profess your faith in Christ Jesus. This is the faith of the Church. This is the faith in which this child is about to be baptized.

The celebrant questions the parents and godparents:
Option A:
Celebrant: Do you reject Satan?     Parents and Godparents: I do.

Celebrant: And all his works?          Parents and Godparents: I do.

Option B:
Celebrant: Do you reject sin, so as to live in the freedom of God’s children?  

Parents and Godparents: I do.  

Celebrant: Do you reject the glamor of evil, and refuse to be mastered by sin?  

Parents and Godparents: I do.  

Celebrant: Do you reject Satan, father of sin and prince of darkness?  

Parents and Godparents: I do.

Evaluation: The word "renounce" means to "formally declare one's abandonment of something or someone." Hence, in the civil law, you can renounce your inheritance. It presupposes the inheritance is real. The word "reject" has several meanings; to "dismiss as inadequate, inappropriate, or not to one's taste." The Devil is not merely "inadequate." It can also mean to "rebuff or repudiate." However, in modern English, to "reject God" doesn't merely mean "not to follow Him," but rather He does not exist. The Catholic Rite uses "renounce," while the Vatican II sect uses "reject." Notice, too, that the Vatican II sect calls this part of the Rite "Renunciation of SIN" not "SATAN" or "THE DEVIL."

The Catholic Rite calls for the renunciation of the Devil, his works, and his pomps. The wretched fallen angel, his doings, and "pomps" (i.e., splendorous enticements to evil) are renounced. "Pomps" were used by Satan against Christ in the desert (See St. Matthew 4:1-11). 

If Option A is used, pomps is omitted. If Option B is used, what does "living in freedom" mean? Also, Satan's works are omitted.

Conclusion
The Vatican II sect is evil not only in what it does, but also in what it omits to do. Someone might object, "But even without belief or explicit mention of the Devil, it doesn't affect the validity of baptism." True enough, but validity is not all that matters. You must have true doctrine. By suppressing almost all references to Satan and eliminating the exorcisims, the sect accomplishes two goals: (a) it accommodates the ecumenism of the Modernists because Satan is seen as irrelevant; it doesn't really matter since everyone gets saved (Universalism), and (b) for the Ultra-Modernists, Satan is a non-existent fairy tale from days of old. Only one brief mention based on a Bible yet to be fully de-mythologized. 

The practical consequences are manifest. When people begin to think of Satan as a fairy tale, or of no importance, is it any wonder we are experiencing an increase in the occult that rivals--if not surpasses--pagan Rome pre-Christianity? The One True Church says, "To Hell with [i.e., send back to Hell] the Devil." The Vatican II sect says, "To Hell with [i.e., forget about] the Devil." The sect members who do so will neglect to fight their infernal enemy with their one and only imortal soul at stake. 

25 comments:

  1. Now we know why there is so much evil in the world right now. It is since the V2 sect came out of hell and spread its works of death all over the world thanks to its evil false popes who do not warn the world against Satan and his works. It's not hard to understand why there are so many abortions and why sodomy is so prevalent and encouraged by the V2 sect. This false church is an open door to hell !

    Will you talk about others counterfeit sacraments of V2 sect ?

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    1. Simon,
      I am indeed considering more posts on the defects of the Vatican II pseudo-sacraments!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  2. I'd never actually compared the Rites of Baptism like this before. Very illuminating.

    Another aspect of omission not mentioned here: namely, that of conditional baptism.

    In America, the practice was once so common that the entry on Baptism in the 1907 Catholic Encyclopedia states: "Practically, converts in the United States are almost invariably baptized either absolutely or conditionally, not because the baptism administered by heretics is held to be invalid, but because it is generally impossible to discover whether they had ever been properly baptized. Even in cases where a ceremony had certainly been performed, reasonable doubt of validity will generally remain, on account of either the intention of the administrator or the mode of administration." Now, contrast the solemn perspective above with that of the following: https://teamrcia.com/2009/01/conditional-baptism-three-interesting-thoughts/ (The fact that this Novus Ordo blogger refers to a conditional baptism as being "rebaptized" says volumes.)

    I have personal experience with this dichotomy: at the age of 8, I underwent voluntary full immersion baptism at a Protestant church (one of the Reformed Church of America Presbyterian denominations, i.e. Calvinist). Many years later, when converting to the Novus Ordo and undergoing its RCIA program, they inquired as to whether or not I had my baptismal certificate. I was unable to acquire it (for logistical reasons, seeing as how my family had stopped going there within a few short years after my baptism, and I doubt they thought about the need to keep track of such a document), but the RCIA admins seemed to accept my word for the fact that I had been baptized validly...even though the church I had been baptized in was hundreds and hundreds of miles away in a different state. (I attended this RCIA program from late summer of 2007 through Easter 2008, mind you.)

    Once again, years later: after embracing sedevacantism and explaining my circumstances to the local CMRI priest (over the course of about two hours, wherein he made the determination I didn't need to undergo any additional catechesis based on everything we had covered), we promptly went to the nave, where he conditionally baptized me on the spot with the traditional rite.

    A stark change! How many well-meaning Novus Ordos are there now, who believe they are validly baptized and yet may not be? What a lax attitude to take with something so vital as baptism!

    Sincerely,

    A Simple Man

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    1. A Simple Man,
      That's a great reminder about conditional baptism and how bad the Vatican II sect really has become when the Sacrament of Baptism is treated in such a manner. Nothing is sacred to them. Then again, reading Nostra Aetate, if worshipping the false moon god "Allah" and the demons of Hinduism is worthy of esteem and respect, how important can baptism be for them? Many members of the sect are most probably invalidly baptized as a result. Vatican II chickens come home to roost!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  3. Introibo,
    I found the following statement in the textbook "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma" by dogmatic theologian Fr. Ludwig Ott:
    “With regard to the doctrinal teaching of the Church it must be well noted that not all the assertions of the Teaching Authority of the Church on questions of Faith and morals are infallible and consequently irrevocable. Only those are infallible which emanate from General Councils representing the whole episcopate, and the Papal Decisions Ex Cathedra (cf. D 1839). The ordinary and usual form of the Papal teaching activity is not infallible. Further, the decisions ofthe Roman Congregations (Holy Office, Bible Commission) are not infallible. Nevertheless normally they are to be accepted with an inner assent which is based on the high supernatural authority of the Holy See (assensus internus supernaturalis, assensus religiosus). The so-called "silentium obiequiosum" that is "reverent silence" does not generally suffice. By way of exception. the obligation of inner agreement may cease if a competent expert, after a renewed scientific investigation of all grounds, arrives at the positive conviction that the decision rests on an error.” (p. 10)
    I have questions about how these words of theologian Ott are to be understood:
    1. Does it mean that we must not always give our religious assent to papal teaching, which is fallible?
    2. Can the teaching of Vatican II and the Novus Ordo "popes" not be rejected, as it is written in the last sentence of this text? (A Polish SSPX priest presented this possibility).

    God bless,
    Paweł

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    1. Pawel,
      For a complete answer, please read the wonderful guest post of A Simple Man:

      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2021/02/whats-so-ordinary-about-authority.html

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  4. We opened a website named the Catholic Archivist, dedicated to the preservation of catholic books, articles and resources from big tech censorship.
    https://catholicarchivist.blogspot.com/p/start-here.html
    So all of you interested on preserving catholic resources are invited to come.

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    1. @anon3:50
      God bless your wonderful work and thank you for letting my readers and me know!

      ---Introibo

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  5. I practically begged for a conditional baptism but was given a supplemental not conditional.
    The Priest concluded the valid Novus Ordo Priest Ord in 1949 validily baptized me in the late 1970's.
    God bless
    -Andrew

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    1. Andrew,
      I'm glad you had it investigated!

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  6. I recently heard a conference by a true traditional Catholic priest and he added one more detail to your excellent exposition, that is: in the Vatican II sect the priest asks the Parents, not the Godparents (who technically represent the baptized) if he/she rejects Satan, which means that the answer is not given by the representatives of the child, thus arising another validity issue. Was he correct?

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    1. @anon4:23
      With all due respect to that good priest (and not being there to hear all that he said), I must respectfully disagree. What I wrote about above is a corruption of doctrine but nothing which would invalidate the Sacrament. In order to have a valid sacrament five conditions must be met; there must be:

      1. Proper Administer
      2. Proper Matter
      3. Proper Form
      4. Intention to do what the Church does on the part of the administer
      5. There must be no "obex" (invalidating impediment) on the part of the recipient of the sacrament.

      In the sacrament of Baptism, anyone with use of reason may validly be the administer of the sacrament. Water is the matter, which is poured over the head of the child while reciting the form, "I baptize thee in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." While doing so the administer must intend to baptize the child as a member of the Church.

      The priest may have been arguing that the child has an "obex" because by not asking the godparents if they renounce Satan, the infant does not intend to receive the sacrament. This is incorrect. Proof: If a baby is dying, you simply perform the baptism with correct matter, form, and intention. You do not ask the child if he renounces Satan and then respond (or have another respond) on behalf of the child. The baptism is valid. Nevertheless, the ceremony of the Vatican II sect is once more deficient, as it seems that "everyone is involved" in "welcoming the child into the community," as opposed to remitting original sin and entrance into the One True Church as the primary effect.

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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  7. Are there some things to be done other/before/after conditional baptism when I'll be received as a convert?

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    1. @anon7:36
      The Traditionalist priest will give you the Traditional sacrament--nothing else (other than living as a good Catholic!) need be done.

      ---Introibo

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    2. @Introibo,

      I've read that:

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      II. If the previous Baptism was doubtful -- The convert is conditionally baptized, the following procedure being observed: 1. Abjuration or Profession of Faith and conditional absolution from censures. 2. Conditional Baptism. 3. Sacramental Confession with conditional absolution.

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      Does this not apply to Novus Ordo converts then? Why?

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    3. @anon7:37
      It does. The SSPV confers conditional baptism on Vatican II sect members Baptized after April 0f 1969. In the following post I explain why I believe SOME but not MOST V2 sect baptisms are invalid--and why all should get a conditional baptism in the True Church.

      http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-laver-of-regeneration-no-more.html

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    4. Thank you.

      I meant that before conditional baptism, is there no longer

      1. Abjuration or Profession of Faith and conditional absolution from censures. ?

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    5. @anon8:21
      To the best of my knowledge and belief, such is "optional"--like everything else in the false sect. The only think not an option is that you CANNOT profess the True Faith.

      ---Introibo

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    6. I see what you mean, but I still wasn't referring to the false sect, but to the true Church; will sedevacantist priests make me do an abjuration or profession of faith before conditional baptism?

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    7. @anon7:50
      This is a unique situation with the Vatican II sect; some priests require it, others--upon seeing that despite all the rest--they thought themselves Roman Catholic and professed the Integral Faith, will not. Obviously, since the Vatican never ruled on such unique circumstances that we now have there is no definitive answer at this time.

      ---Introibo

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  8. Intoibo, were the apostles baptized? All that were in the upper room in Pentecost other than Mary, were they baptized before Pentecost?

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    1. @anon8:27
      Most theologians teach the Apostles were baptized either between the Resurrection and Ascension of Christ, or definitely by the day of Pentecost. That the Apostles were baptized (even though we are unsure of the exact date cannot be denied.

      Christ makes clear to his Apostles that baptism is necessary to be His disciple (St. Matthew 28:18-20).

      God Bless,

      ---Introibo

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    2. Thanks for the reply Introibo.

      1. I noticed that it would mean they received the Eucharist before baptism. Other than Judas, they were in the state of grace then? How? Charity or perfect contrition?

      2. Did they need to be confirmed too? Or did the Pentecost suffice for the sacramental grace and the indelible character?

      Thanks and God bless too.

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    3. @anon10:02

      1. There is no unanimity of agreement on the date baptism was instituted by Christ, as I commented before. Some theologians (a minority) think it must have occurred prior to the Last Supper because Christ instituted the Sacrament of Holy Orders, and made the Apostles bishops. However, only validly baptized men can receive Holy Orders, therefore the Apostles must have been baptized. Against this objection, theologian Pohle writes, "...a mere act of the Will on the part of Christ was sufficient to make the Apostles Christians, nay priests and bishops..." (See "Dogmatic Theology" 8:210).

      Prior to His death on the Cross, the Old Testament was still in effect. Christ could make the Apostles both His disciples and Bishops by a special decree of His Divine Will. After His Church was established on Pentecost, the Apostles would nevertheless receive the Sacrament of Baptism in imitation of what all are intended to do as the usual way to enter the Church. Likewise, when they received Communion at the Last Supper, It too, was unique because they did not receive the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ in His Resurrected State.


      2. Yes, the Apostles received Confirmation directly at Pentecost by the Holy Ghost.

      ---Introibo

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